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Hi again,

It sounds as if you have already started working through some issues,

so good for you! I hope things improve. Maybe your hubby justs needs

to know which behaviours come from the AS so he doesn't think it is

just bad behaviour. As you said it comes down to education. He may

need some printed information or a specialist to speak to him.

With my daughter I accept a lot of behaviours that come with her

diagnosis and they are things she cannot help. But I won't allow her

to hit her sister or throw or destroy things. I also have taught her

to say please and thankyou and am successful in getting her to pack

away toys when she is in a calm state.But when she has a meltdown I

can't get her to do much at all. I know she finds it hard to sit

still and I know she likes a sense of order and tantrums often come

from things not being in order or together if they go together. So I

make allowances for these things. I don't get upset if she has a wee

accident or other things caused by anxiety. I never smack her or her

sister. If she hit her sister I explain that she has hurt her sister

and she has to say sorry and give her sister a cuddle (she doesn't

mind cuddles with family members). It doesn't happen very often these

days. I tend to go by a book I once read (I think it is called

disipline without shouting or spanking) that said that whatever they

do wrong (if it really is bad behaviour not AS) they have to fix it.

If my daughter shakes her drink all over the floor , I give her some

kitchen towel to clean it up. If she sqeezes toothpaste all over the

bathroom, I ask her to clean it up and I give her a cloth. Each time

explaining to her why she shouldn't do what she has done. I must say

she has never shaken her drink out again or squeezed the toothpaste

again so the principles seem to work. I guess these behaviours come

from sensory issues i.e. watching the water come out of the cup and

the effect of the toothpaste as it is squeezed out are giving her

sensory stimulation. So I don't think she needs to be yelled at

e.t.c. but I do want her to know the cause and effect of what she

does and she has to remedy it. It is not a harsh disipline it is just

taking responsibility for her actions. my point is that certain

behaviours are not acceptable but twirling e.t.c. are just symptoms

of his diagnosis.

I do agree you need some time out, my hubby and I need a night out or

something. My mum will mind my twins but I worry she will put the

television on e.t.c.

Best Wishes,

karen xxx

> > Thank you for your reply. This helps A LOT. It's helped me point

out

> > some things that I couldn't say in my original post. I guess it's

> just

> > hard for me to describe everything that is happening. Describing

it

> has

> > been difficult. (Maybe it's me that has a problem) I didn't want

to

> come

> > off or sound like my husband is " horrible " or " uncaring " he wants

> > nothing more than to have a " happy family " . None the less we

have

> large

> > problems going on that we both know if it's not fixed it's not

> going to

> > be good for anyone. My husband is also battling other things

within

> > himself as well.

> >

> >

> >

> > 1. Coping with being an Australian in the USA with all the

cultural

> > differences and I in my comfort zone.

> >

> > 2. Because he's not a citizen as of yet, landing a better job

has

> been

> > difficult, feels failure for being a good provider. The job he

has

> now

> > he hates but suffers through it.

> >

> > 3. Becoming a father to a step son and shortly afterwards the

> unexpected

> > death of my son's real father. The father wasn't the best of

fathers

> > although he loved my son; it was hard because I felt for my

> son

> > during this time. This made my husband feel, what am I chopped

> liver?

> >

> > 4. suffers from hereditary depression and anxiety.

> >

> > 5. It has become a " habit " of loosing control and letting anger

take

> > place, yells etc. Within good reason, if my husband doesn't

> understand

> > the Autism part then of course he would expect him to be following

> > instructions to the " T " .

> >

> > 6. I also have two step children whom reside in Australia they

are

> older

> > 18, 21. My husband associates his experience in his child rearing

> years

> > into Devin's. " My children didn't do these things and if they

did. "

> Not

> > to say that they didn't get into trouble but ..

> >

> > 7. We had a beautiful baby girl that was totally

> unexpected ..SURPRISE!

> > We are older parents.I am 37 and my husband is 44. Yes we are

> irritable

> > and less patient. I suppose. We are starting over at a later age

> and he

> > somewhat feels he was past this point, here we are again and it's

> not

> > the greatest environment. We hit one millstone only to find

another.

> >

> >

> >

> > He's certainly stressed out at the end of the day when he comes

home

> > from work, working for pennies at a place he hates, comes home to

> ciaos

> > at times and in the mix is our little girl whom is not quite

2yrs.

> I on

> > the other hand, don't get a break from it all. My daughter

doesn't

> sleep

> > all night so I am very sleep deprived and can't do it all. My

> husband

> > has usually taken the role of responsibility in dealing with my

son

> only

> > because of our daughter requires me. We are working on all these

> things

> > at once.

> >

> > In saying my husband has dealt with my son, he has made some

> positive

> > improvements within his actions which has lead me to deny my son's

> > disability so I have relaxed and let him handle things. Although

it

> gets

> > to be a bit much for my husband in spite of this; my son listens

to

> him.

> > It makes him think, " I have proven it, when you are away..he acts

> fine.

> > no problems when you come home different story. "

> >

> >

> >

> > It is important to add my son Devin does more things for my

> husband. If

> > he calls Devin he is more responsive to him than he is me. My

> husband

> > also points out my son is changes his personality with different

> people.

> > Maybe my mom will come over and " demands " a hug. Of course he

> doesn't

> > like this I've pointed that out to her but still she persists.

I'm

> aware

> > of that's why he doesn't like it, its forced upon him and is a

> Autism

> > thing. When they visit (my parents) Devin gets excited becomes

> hyper,

> > hides, does things he knows that he is not allowed ex- dribbles a

> basket

> > ball inside the house. More importantly he is rough with my

mother;

> he

> > will hug her but nearly knocking her down.

> >

> >

> >

> > Devin stayed a week at my sister's house during the summer last

> year. My

> > sister is all to willing to agree with my husband her opinions on

> Devin

> > so which is where it has helped form my husbands opinions that he

> help

> > " Some " of these things. " The schools teacher Devin's teacher, my

> sister,

> > and my husband have said in one way or another. My husband

> quotes. " You

> > are right and these three people aren't: " I don't see what you

are

> > talking about " , " There is no problem with Devin " , " If you just

give

> him

> > more discipline " , " and I have no problem with him " .

> >

> >

> >

> > I am fighting a loosing battle and I can't come off like, " It's

my

> way

> > or the highway " I strongly feel he needs to read for himself,

> understand

> > it then he can shed a new light on the subject. Not to say we

won't

> ever

> > get frustrated ever again, just dealing with the autism will be

> > millstone just to figure out what can be helped, what can't be.

> >

> > I'm so sorry for such a long post! IM just venting and letting

you

> know

> > more of our issues to help you better understand. Just reading

your

> post

> > will probably help my husband greatly!!!!! Thank you!

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: Can Anyone help?

> >

> >

> >

> > Well I think there are probably body language clues when

something

> is

> > done blatantly by your son. I know there is with mine, usually a

> look on

> > his face. Often times when Alonzo does things beyond his control

he

> has

> > that disconnected appearance. I am sorry I cannot be more

speciific

> but

> > you have probably seen something similar in your son and if your

> husband

> > hasn't seen it (I am guessing he has) thensurely you could point

it

> out

> > to him. Otherwise if your son has a therapist/social worker etc.

> who is

> > real familiar with him and with Aspergers then he/she may be able

> to sit

> > down with both of you and let you know what behaviors are within

or

> > beyond his control. I also recommend the book " The Explosive

Child "

> by

> > Ross Green. Even if your son is not prone to tantrums I like the

> > approach the book refers to of prioritizing a behavior that you

> would

> > like to change and focusing on that and letting other things go

> until

> > that particular behavior is mastered. If you focus on too many

> things at

> > once, you will never get anywhere. It is overwhelming and possibly

> > damaging to the self esteem if someone is constantly corrected

for

> thier

> > behavior (in or out of thier control).

> >

> >

> >

> > I found that once we prioritized both at home and at school,

which

> meant

> > backing off on many more " nit-picky " things that a greater range

of

> > problems disappeared without intervention on our part. I think

> Alonzo

> > felt better about himself and less likely to act out for

attention.

> This

> > is after being in a phase (before diagnosis) of sending him to

his

> room

> > many times a day - sometimes he was in there more than he was out

of

> > there and we had sonewhat lost a bond. Once we prioritized...for

us

> it

> > was no hitting/hurting... and focused more on positive

interractions

> > before a problem arose (more one on one time, playing games,

reading

> > books together, etc), the entire day went more smoothly. It

wasn't

> so

> > much that I was ignoring things as there were less things to

ignore

> if

> > that makes any sense.

> >

> >

> >

> > It also may be helpful to have a good understanding of the

sensory

> side

> > of aspergers. The spinning while tooth brushing sounds

particularly

> > sensory and that is why I am suggesting this. Many of our kids

have

> > sensory NEEDS. These needs have to be satisfied. They cannot be

> > stifled...they can however be redirected into more appropriate

> behaviors

> > sometimes.

> >

> > Sorry to go on...I hope some of this helps. I think it is awesome

> that

> > you and he are discussing this...that is the best thing and IMO

> offers

> > much hope. It sounds like your dh is very committed to you and

your

> > family and I hope that you can work thru this!

> >

> >

> >

> > I will be showing him the post's and replies, to make him gain

more

> > understanding of autism any pointers would be appreciated. I just

> want

> > to please them all and do what's best for my son. Please help

save

> my

> > family!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Carol, mom to

> >

> > , 1994

> >

> > , 1997

> >

> > Lily, 2004

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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> I have had Psoriasis since I was around 7. As far as Psoriasis goes

> it has always seemed mild. Only on my scalp ( thank God I could

hide

> it)and also my nails have always had the pits and ridges.

> Well,Now in my 30's I noticed some changes when I got pregnant with

> my second son. During this pregnancy it was the 1st time I was

> psoriasis free in all of my life. Yet, I also noticed I started

> having horrible ankle pain every morning I awoke. I attributed this

> to being flat footed and carrying 40 extra lbs on my small frame. A

> week after I had my second son the Psoriasis came back with a

> vengence. Not only did it cover the back of my scalp it also

started

> growing on other parts of my body ( a dollar bill size under one of

> my breast, a dime size on my knee, and on the tops of my arms

little

> spotty flares). I haven't been using my Psoriasis treatments (

> shampoo, steroid creams) because I have been breastfeeding and I

know

> steroids collect in fat and breastmilk is so fatty. Well, Other

than

> the Psoriasis growing other places it also turned into a small rash

> behind one of my ears ( this to is a new one..)Okay- now that my

> history is out of the way- In April my left middle finger swoll up-

I

> knew I hadn't fallen or had any trauma. When this swelling lasted 8

> weeks I knew I had PA. Now also I started to wonder if my ankles

are

> a problem to. I was no longer pregnant, but still to this day 10

> months after having my baby my ankles hurt so bad in the morning

for

> an hour or two. Strange is I don't notice any swelling. Sometimes

the

> pain is so bad its like Im walking on broken feet. On top of my

> finger and ankles my neck for around 6 months seems like I have

slept

> on the wrong side of the bed- every day. I have changed pillows and

> tried everything to get rid of the pain.

> So, finally after waiting 2 months for a RHeum. appt. I FINALLY see

> him yesterday. He tell me he thinks I had an " episodic " PA.

> He kind of made me feel like I am imagining this pain in my ankles.

I

> had to twist his arm to even get xrays on my ankle and hand.

> Basically he just wanted to send me out on my merry way. He said I

> should have swelling in my ankles and my joints seem to move around

> perfect..... basically dissmissing me.

> I'm beside myself. I'm 34 years old- with 2 small children (2 and

10

> months) I feel like an old lady- I feel like Im cheating my kids on

a

> mother.

> Based on what I have said can anyone help me. Does this sound like

> PA? Should I get a second opinion?

> I'm desperate- I want this caught early to avoid my bones being

> destructed.

> Could it be I am catching this too early? Do I have to be carried

in

> with a wheelchair?

> What is it docs are looking for?

> By the way my finger is still mildly swollen- he never even answer

as

> to if it will ever be normal again...

> Im on 2400mg of Ibuprofen a day until I quit breastfeeding and then

I

> had to ask him for something else and he coily gave me Etodolac.

> I know this is long and boring, but it would be a God send if

someone

> could help me. I waited so long to see the doc and I feel as if he

> thinks I am making this all up.

> Thanks for your time,

> Tricia

Hi Tricia,

My name is Debbie and I have PA and had a mild case of psoriasis

for the first time in my life two years ago. Never had it before, but

it runs in my family. I was just diagnosed with PA two or three

months ago. I knew I had some sort of arthritis, but it took a

couples of doctors and rhumeys to finally be diagnosed. My brother &

sister both have psoriasis most of their life. When my sis was

pregnant, the psoriasis went away totaly, but returned after she gave

birth. She was told it was because of her hormones that it went away.

I would get a second opinion. Good luck...

Debbie in New York

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Dear Trica,

I really feel for you. You need to find a doctor that is willing to

work with you on this. I had a similar experience before I was

diagnosed. P arrived in my life when I was about 19yrold. I had my

first child when I was 33yrold. I started feeling stiff and sore

then but just thought I had old mom bones. LOL 6 1/2 yrs later I

had my son. His pregnancy was the one I began wondering what was

wrong with me. My P actually worsened during my pregnancies. With

my daughter it spread to my elbow, knees, and chest. With my son, I

had it on my face, back, trunk, eye brows, scalp, bottom...just

about my whole body. My self esteem took a beating, because of the

stares. (I just wanted to put a paper bag over my head) Anyway,

after I had my son, I had a lot of pain in my right shoulder, left

knee, and my thumbs. I went to my Family Pract who took xrays and

said that everything was fine and told me to take some advil. I

felt like he thought it was all in my head. Anyway, it wasn't until

I had an appointment with my Derm. and told him what was going on

that he referred me to a Rheumy. The Rheumy took one look at my

pitted fingernails and listened to my history and diagnosed me with

PA. Now I am on Remicade, MTX and feeling so much better. I still

have flares when I getting close to needing an infusion but the

Remicade is wonderful!

Don't give up. Call your Derm and see if he can recomend a Rheumy

that will take you seriously. My kids are 10yrs and 4yrs now and

keeping up with them is a challenge some days but with the proper

medication I am able to try.

Just remember, it is not in your head. People seem to think that

you need to have a lot of swelling to be in the kind of pain we can

feel, but we all know different.

Hugs and Smiles,

Ann

> I have had Psoriasis since I was around 7. As far as Psoriasis

goes

> it has always seemed mild. Only on my scalp ( thank God I could

hide

> it)and also my nails have always had the pits and ridges.

> Well,Now in my 30's I noticed some changes when I got pregnant

with

> my second son. During this pregnancy it was the 1st time I was

> psoriasis free in all of my life. Yet, I also noticed I started

> having horrible ankle pain every morning I awoke. I attributed

this

> to being flat footed and carrying 40 extra lbs on my small frame.

A

> week after I had my second son the Psoriasis came back with a

> vengence. Not only did it cover the back of my scalp it also

started

> growing on other parts of my body ( a dollar bill size under one

of

> my breast, a dime size on my knee, and on the tops of my arms

little

> spotty flares). I haven't been using my Psoriasis treatments (

> shampoo, steroid creams) because I have been breastfeeding and I

know

> steroids collect in fat and breastmilk is so fatty. Well, Other

than

> the Psoriasis growing other places it also turned into a small

rash

> behind one of my ears ( this to is a new one..)Okay- now that my

> history is out of the way- In April my left middle finger swoll up-

I

> knew I hadn't fallen or had any trauma. When this swelling lasted

8

> weeks I knew I had PA. Now also I started to wonder if my ankles

are

> a problem to. I was no longer pregnant, but still to this day 10

> months after having my baby my ankles hurt so bad in the morning

for

> an hour or two. Strange is I don't notice any swelling. Sometimes

the

> pain is so bad its like Im walking on broken feet. On top of my

> finger and ankles my neck for around 6 months seems like I have

slept

> on the wrong side of the bed- every day. I have changed pillows

and

> tried everything to get rid of the pain.

> So, finally after waiting 2 months for a RHeum. appt. I FINALLY

see

> him yesterday. He tell me he thinks I had an " episodic " PA.

> He kind of made me feel like I am imagining this pain in my

ankles.

I

> had to twist his arm to even get xrays on my ankle and hand.

> Basically he just wanted to send me out on my merry way. He said I

> should have swelling in my ankles and my joints seem to move

around

> perfect..... basically dissmissing me.

> I'm beside myself. I'm 34 years old- with 2 small children (2 and

10

> months) I feel like an old lady- I feel like Im cheating my kids

on

a

> mother.

> Based on what I have said can anyone help me. Does this sound like

> PA? Should I get a second opinion?

> I'm desperate- I want this caught early to avoid my bones being

> destructed.

> Could it be I am catching this too early? Do I have to be carried

in

> with a wheelchair?

> What is it docs are looking for?

> By the way my finger is still mildly swollen- he never even answer

as

> to if it will ever be normal again...

> Im on 2400mg of Ibuprofen a day until I quit breastfeeding and

then

I

> had to ask him for something else and he coily gave me Etodolac.

> I know this is long and boring, but it would be a God send if

someone

> could help me. I waited so long to see the doc and I feel as if he

> thinks I am making this all up.

> Thanks for your time,

> Tricia

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Hi tricia

your story sounds all too familiar. it is amazing how this pa takes similar

paths in some people. I also have extremely flat feet starting when i was in my

twenties as well as severe neck problems. never linked to pa though. just delt

with it thinking i was on my feet too much. then when i was pregnant i felt fine

but right after my ankles were exactly how you were explaining. i felt almost

crippled and i was only twenty six. i could not stand the pain but there was no

swelling at all. I had MRI and xray that found nothing. i wound up casting one

of my ankles to get it to heal. i was told i had severe tendonitis of my

ankles. anyhow, it also went into my hands and fingers, i had surgery on one

hand. it was not until about a year ago taht i got diagnosed with pa and linked

it all together. my worst pain is also in the mornings and sometimes i would

feel like my feet were broken as well. one of my toes swelled up so big that it

looked bazarre. each thing has gone away one by one and then returned one by

one. it is weird how it migrates. my finger also swelled up without any

warning for no reason for about a year. they finally operated. i think your

ankles are definately part of it. without a doubt. that was one of my first

signs, who would have thought. about 5 yrs later my ankles finally feel better,

with an occasional flare up. well i hope this helped to just give you my

history to let you know you are not crazy. i too was in the same boat with

breastfeeding until about 1 month ago. i took tylenol arthirits alotttt while

nursing. it helped out since i cannot take ibuprofen, i am allergic. my son is

now one year old and has weaned adn i can take celebrex now if i need it. right

now i am not too bad off. i also try to avoid sugar and white foods. this seems

to help out alot. the doctors also seem to be okay but only want to try heavy

meds. no alternative methods.

hope this helps.

keri

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> I have had Psoriasis since I was around 7. As far as Psoriasis goes

> it has always seemed mild. Only on my scalp ( thank God I could

hide

> it)and also my nails have always had the pits and ridges.

> Well,Now in my 30's I noticed some changes when I got pregnant with

> my second son. During this pregnancy it was the 1st time I was

> psoriasis free in all of my life. Yet, I also noticed I started

> having horrible ankle pain every morning I awoke. I attributed this

> to being flat footed and carrying 40 extra lbs on my small frame. A

> week after I had my second son the Psoriasis came back with a

> vengence. Not only did it cover the back of my scalp it also

started

> growing on other parts of my body ( a dollar bill size under one of

> my breast, a dime size on my knee, and on the tops of my arms

little

> spotty flares). I haven't been using my Psoriasis treatments (

> shampoo, steroid creams) because I have been breastfeeding and I

know

> steroids collect in fat and breastmilk is so fatty. Well, Other

than

> the Psoriasis growing other places it also turned into a small rash

> behind one of my ears ( this to is a new one..)Okay- now that my

> history is out of the way- In April my left middle finger swoll up-

I

> knew I hadn't fallen or had any trauma. When this swelling lasted 8

> weeks I knew I had PA. Now also I started to wonder if my ankles

are

> a problem to. I was no longer pregnant, but still to this day 10

> months after having my baby my ankles hurt so bad in the morning

for

> an hour or two. Strange is I don't notice any swelling. Sometimes

the

> pain is so bad its like Im walking on broken feet. On top of my

> finger and ankles my neck for around 6 months seems like I have

slept

> on the wrong side of the bed- every day. I have changed pillows and

> tried everything to get rid of the pain.

> So, finally after waiting 2 months for a RHeum. appt. I FINALLY see

> him yesterday. He tell me he thinks I had an " episodic " PA.

> He kind of made me feel like I am imagining this pain in my ankles.

I

> had to twist his arm to even get xrays on my ankle and hand.

> Basically he just wanted to send me out on my merry way. He said I

> should have swelling in my ankles and my joints seem to move around

> perfect..... basically dissmissing me.

> I'm beside myself. I'm 34 years old- with 2 small children (2 and

10

> months) I feel like an old lady- I feel like Im cheating my kids on

a

> mother.

> Based on what I have said can anyone help me. Does this sound like

> PA? Should I get a second opinion?

> I'm desperate- I want this caught early to avoid my bones being

> destructed.

> Could it be I am catching this too early? Do I have to be carried

in

> with a wheelchair?

> What is it docs are looking for?

> By the way my finger is still mildly swollen- he never even answer

as

> to if it will ever be normal again...

> Im on 2400mg of Ibuprofen a day until I quit breastfeeding and then

I

> had to ask him for something else and he coily gave me Etodolac.

> I know this is long and boring, but it would be a God send if

someone

> could help me. I waited so long to see the doc and I feel as if he

> thinks I am making this all up.

> Thanks for your time,

> Tricia

Hi Tricia,

My name is Debbie and I have PA and had a mild case of psoriasis

for the first time in my life two years ago. Never had it before, but

it runs in my family. I was just diagnosed with PA two or three

months ago. I knew I had some sort of arthritis, but it took a

couples of doctors and rhumeys to finally be diagnosed. My brother &

sister both have psoriasis most of their life. When my sis was

pregnant, the psoriasis went away totaly, but returned after she gave

birth. She was told it was because of her hormones that it went away.

I would get a second opinion. Good luck...

Debbie in New York

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In a message dated 7/1/05 10:44:47 PM GMT Daylight Time,

nurseontherunn@... writes:

So, finally after waiting 2 months for a RHeum. appt. I FINALLY see

him yesterday. He tell me he thinks I had an " episodic " PA.

He kind of made me feel like I am imagining this pain in my ankles. I

had to twist his arm to even get xrays on my ankle and hand.

Basically he just wanted to send me out on my merry way. He said I

should have swelling in my ankles and my joints seem to move around

perfect..... basically dissmissing me.

Hi Tricia,

I'm afraid it looks like you might have to try and find another Rheumy if

you can. That wasn't a very encouraging start. It won't exactly fill you full of

confidence in him if he starts off appearing not to believe you or at least

to dismiss it as not being serious. I was just saying in a previous post that

you hear some horror stories regarding Rheumy's. I hope you can manage to

avoid being one of them.

Good luck Tricia. Keep us up to date on how you are getting on if you can.

Take care,

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Hi ,

Thanks for the reply.

I have made a new appt. for Aug.24.

I feel so desperate...I want to be proactive and nip

this in the butt before I have too much damage.

I don't know what the docs are looking for. I feel I

am only 34 yrs and I shouldn't feel so much pain all

day. I shouldn't feel like Im walking on broken feet

when I get up in the morning.

Problem is I am in an HMO. If this new doc doesn't do

anything I am going to get out of the HMO and get into

a PPO.

I will keep going from there. I feel blessed that I am

so new in this disease that I have a chance to stop

some damage...I just want to get the ball rolling.

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I will keep going from there. I feel blessed that I am

so new in this disease that I have a chance to stop

some damage...I just want to get the ball rolling.

Hi Tricia,

I hope you manage to do that.

Good luck,

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Hi Trica,

I am replying to your reply to ~ and I may have misunderstood what you

were saying, but in the message you mention " you shouldn't feel like you are

walking on broken feet when you get up in the morning " ... This could be Plantar

Fascitis ~ which as I understand it, can or can not be related to arthritis...

I do have a suggestion that does help me in the mornings (when I take the time

to do so); it's very simple and almost common sense, but do I always do it: NO!

Instead I sleep too late and end up jumping out of bed and then almost falling

to the ground in that initial pain.... Anyway, it is to really move your foot

(feet) prior to getting up. The doctor suggested taking a tennis ball and

sitting on the side of the bed and slightly pushing your feet down on top of the

tennis ball, moving back and forth.

Best Wishes,

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Hello ,

Thanks for your reply- I will try that. It would be

great if it was plantar facitis instead of Pa.

Is the same true for your ankles? Because it is not

really my feet so much as it is my ankles. It feels

like my feet have been cut off and Im walking on raw

bone. On good days when I wake up they just pop and

crack a lot with a little pain but that is all gone

within an hour.

Im looking into fibromyalgia. I believe I have that in

my neck versus the sponyditis.

Thanks so much for you help!

God Bless,

Tricia

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Hi ,

I just joined this group as well. But to help the best I can. I went through

this with my son when he turned 6 months old. We were told they were viruses.

They would last 4-5 days, and spike up to 104. Then he would be fine. He usually

wouldn't eat much during these cycles and would sometimes complain of joint

stiffness. Does your son have any mouth irritations or sores during these

cycles? Anyways, after 1 year, we finally found a specialist who did some blood

work during one of his cycles and told us of . She placed him on Orapred (

a type of Prednisone) and all his symtpoms were completely gone after one

treatment. The good news she told us is that no matter what, seems to

disappear by the age of 5. Fortuneatly our episode ended then and there. That

was almost 4 years ago. We have a healthy and happy 5 year old.

Hope any of this helps. I swear by the Prednisone.

Our thoughts our with you,

Write me anytime.

Brittany Thibeault

Grade <sjgrade@...> wrote:

Hello,

I just joined this group and have many unanswered

questions. My son just turned two. Starting in Sept.

04, he started getting high fevers. They followed

this pattern: Sept., April, May, June, Aug., and now

this Sept. They follow the same pattern every time:

they come on suddenly, last 3 days, and he has no

other symptoms or illness present before, during or

after. They disappear just as strangely as they

start. They usually range between 102-104 degrees. I

have been told repeatedly that they are just viruses,

but I find it hard to believe that he would get so

many random viruses without any other symptoms. My

gut tells me there's something more going on.

I stumbled upon information about periodic fever

syndrome, including . I am not sure where to go

from here. I'm not even sure which one, if any, of

the disorders he has, since his haven't followed a

strict 28-day cycle, though they do seem to happen on

average once a month. If anyone has any answers or

advice for me, I would be EXTREMELY appreciative. I

am desperate and very sad about being so in the dark

when it comes to my child's heath. PLEASE HELP!

Thank you!!!!

sjgrade

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Hey ,

I'm going throw the same thing as you are. My little

girl is also two. She started her fevers in early 04.

We did find out that she had UTI and kidney reflux.

So okay that was what was causing the fevers.. Yes and

no the fevers still came almost every month. I started

to keep track of them July of 04. So she had fever

July, Aug, Sept., Nov., Dec., March, May, June, July,

Sept 05

B/c she hasn't had them every 28 days they are also

calling it just a virus. Her fever gets up to 105.8

every time. sometimes she gets a sore throat, and

vomits and sometimes she don't. This past fever she

had nothing but the fever and that was it. I'm sorry I

haven't been anymore help. I feel your pain as a

parent when you feel like something needs to be done

about it and no one will help.

Hang in there

If you find out anything Please let me know

Emma Kate 2 1/2

--- Grade <sjgrade@...> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I just joined this group and have many unanswered

> questions. My son just turned two. Starting in

> Sept.

> 04, he started getting high fevers. They followed

> this pattern: Sept., April, May, June, Aug., and

> now

> this Sept. They follow the same pattern every time:

>

> they come on suddenly, last 3 days, and he has no

> other symptoms or illness present before, during or

> after. They disappear just as strangely as they

> start. They usually range between 102-104 degrees.

> I

> have been told repeatedly that they are just

> viruses,

> but I find it hard to believe that he would get so

> many random viruses without any other symptoms. My

> gut tells me there's something more going on.

>

> I stumbled upon information about periodic fever

> syndrome, including . I am not sure where to

> go

> from here. I'm not even sure which one, if any, of

> the disorders he has, since his haven't followed a

> strict 28-day cycle, though they do seem to happen

> on

> average once a month. If anyone has any answers or

> advice for me, I would be EXTREMELY appreciative. I

> am desperate and very sad about being so in the dark

> when it comes to my child's heath. PLEASE HELP!

>

> Thank you!!!!

>

> sjgrade

>

>

>

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Brittany,

Thank you so much for your response. I am very

relieved to hear that n will grow out of this by

age 5. I'm holding on to that thought. During his

" episodes " , n will not eat or drink a thing, just

like yours. As a result, he has lost a lot of weight.

We have never noticed any mouth sores except for one

time when he got a little red patch above his lip that

just wouldn't go away, even after the fever did. I

assumed it was a fever blister. Does always

manifest itself with these mouth sores, or is it

possible to have just the fever? As for joint

stiffness, I have no idea, since he's too young to

tell me.

A few more questions for you: you said you went to a

specialist who took blood samples. What kind of

specialist? I would like to make an appointment, but

don't know with whom. Also, do you know what they

were looking for in the blood, or, rather, what was

found in the blood that was suspicious and resulted in

a diagnosis of ?

I thank you again for your help. It's so nice to know

that I'm not alone!

--- Brittany Thibeault <brittanyth@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

> I just joined this group as well. But to help the

> best I can. I went through this with my son when he

> turned 6 months old. We were told they were viruses.

> They would last 4-5 days, and spike up to 104. Then

> he would be fine. He usually wouldn't eat much

> during these cycles and would sometimes complain of

> joint stiffness. Does your son have any mouth

> irritations or sores during these cycles? Anyways,

> after 1 year, we finally found a specialist who did

> some blood work during one of his cycles and told us

> of . She placed him on Orapred ( a type of

> Prednisone) and all his symtpoms were completely

> gone after one treatment. The good news she told us

> is that no matter what, seems to disappear by

> the age of 5. Fortuneatly our episode ended then and

> there. That was almost 4 years ago. We have a

> healthy and happy 5 year old.

> Hope any of this helps. I swear by the Prednisone.

> Our thoughts our with you,

> Write me anytime.

> Brittany Thibeault

>

> Grade <sjgrade@...> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I just joined this group and have many unanswered

> questions. My son just turned two. Starting in

> Sept.

> 04, he started getting high fevers. They followed

> this pattern: Sept., April, May, June, Aug., and

> now

> this Sept. They follow the same pattern every time:

>

> they come on suddenly, last 3 days, and he has no

> other symptoms or illness present before, during or

> after. They disappear just as strangely as they

> start. They usually range between 102-104 degrees.

> I

> have been told repeatedly that they are just

> viruses,

> but I find it hard to believe that he would get so

> many random viruses without any other symptoms. My

> gut tells me there's something more going on.

>

> I stumbled upon information about periodic fever

> syndrome, including . I am not sure where to

> go

> from here. I'm not even sure which one, if any, of

> the disorders he has, since his haven't followed a

> strict 28-day cycle, though they do seem to happen

> on

> average once a month. If anyone has any answers or

> advice for me, I would be EXTREMELY appreciative. I

> am desperate and very sad about being so in the dark

> when it comes to my child's heath. PLEASE HELP!

>

> Thank you!!!!

>

> sjgrade

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Welcome again!

Maintaining a log is critical in diagnosing a periodic fever syndrome.

Date of onset and date of completion should be included as well as height of

fever and the response to medications such as Tylenol and Ibuprofen.

Alternating the medications every three hours will assist you with leveling

the fevers during the intense fever days. Try your best on keeping the baby

hydrated as this is important.

To diagnose any of the periodic fever syndromes... the usual start is with

basic blood work.

This should be done during a fever episode. A CBC with diff is done to see

if the WBC's elevate. In some of the fever disorders including , the

WBC count may elevate and you usually see a " shift " in the differential

components indicating an infection. This is one of the reasons why doctors

tend to blame viral or bacterial infections...

Another blood test which usually elevates DURING and episode is the SED rate

and/or the CRP.

These are indicator tests... which elevate during EITHER an infection OR

during an inflammatory response.

Again here these elevate in however they ALSO elevate in other

periodic genetic fever disorders as WELL as with auto immune disorders.

Specifically with the fever disorders, these USUALLY return to normal within

days of the fevers disappearance.

A chemistry is done to monitor hydration since many of the kids with

periodic fever disorders begin young and have difficulty drinking and

maintaining electrolyte balance... they usually get better as they get

older... knowing they may end up in an ER getting an IV! At least it works

for my little man!

Once you consult with a specialist who is more familiar with the periodic

fever syndromes (can be a Pediatric Immunologist, Rheumatologist, Infectious

Disease doc etc).... they usually want to check initially for cyclic

neutropenia. This is a disorder which presents in a similar fashion as

... however causes the child to cycle and lose their neutrophils

causing the child to " catch " lots of infections... Something we hope comes

back negative. The procedure is rough on little ones and their family. The

child needs to get stuck every other days for a few weeks to check the

neutrophil count.

Next the docs usually do Immunoglobulin studies... to check the levels...

IGG, IGD, IGA, IGM etc....

Some indicate increase in infections, others indicate allergies etc...

With this, " complement " studies are done... also looking at Immunoglobulin

response.

In addition to all of this... counts for ANA and other factors are looked at

to rule out autoimmune disorders as well as some cancers.

Beyond ALL of this... GENETIC studies are critical.

Because other fever disorders ARE of genetic nature, it is recommended all

children and adults with a periodic fever disorder, have genetic studies.

There is a CURRENT study at the NIH in Bethesda MD ran by Dr D Kastner.

It is currently the ONLY active study related to periodic fever syndrome.

There are MANY participants here in the group including my son.

They are wonderful.

The information is in the file section.

Getting research initiated is difficult....

Dr. Kastner recommends the genetic studies be done...

Initially he tests for the " more " common genetic mutations.... and if a

child presents with unusual symptoms such as hearing loss or constant hives

he will add other testing for example for Muckle Wells a much LESS common

fever disorder.

The usual tests he sends out are for TRAPS, HIDs and FMF.

I have information at the file section for each and there is a newer group

dedicated to TRAPs run by one of our members whose little boy ended up being

diagnosed with.... after she decided to get the genetic studies done....

I am probably leaving out an enormous amount of information...

BUT you need to start somewhere.

LOG everything.

Symptoms change... Mouth sores may not appear until 2 years AFTER fevers

begin...

Same with tonsil involvement or adenitis...

Document...

Network here to find a specialist... If no one is near you... get to the

closest Childrens Hospital... where specialists are located for all

fields...

And ask away...

God Bless

Fran

Fran A Bulone

Mom to ph 6 yrs old

Waxhaw, NC

Owner & Moderator Group

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Your list of attorneys probably already includes Rubin. We have

used his services (actually over 10 years ago) and I know that he is

totally up-to-date and I see him regularly at monthly meetings of a

provider-parent group.

As competence is critical and many attorneys who do this only as a

sideline can cause more grief than good, cost should be secondary to

real expertise. I don't know 's current fees but he is very

competent.

Good luck,

Walter ( brand-new subscriber but long-time involvee and

advocate)

>

> Hello everyone. I am going to be looking for a lawyer to set up a

> special needs trust, possible medical guardianship, will, etc. I

do

> have a few names of lawyers but I just wanted to know if anyone has

> done this, maybe could suggest questions I need to ask. I have a

few

> of my own but there are always things you forget to ask and I was

> hoping many of you have already done this. I spoke with PACT

yesterday

> and I was surprised they still had our case file. We need to get

Chris

> (is 26 with DS) a Medicaid waver for them to go forward with

> this. (we had several problems getting PACT to process as we

> could not get Medicaid) We tried and were denied before as Chris

gets

> SSDI, works, is on Medicare A and B as well as my medical, dental,

> prescription plan. I am hoping a lawyer will help me with this as

> well. Any ideas, questions, advice would be greatly appreciated.

> Also, can anyone shed any light on a ball park figure this may cost

> me? Thanks in advance. Shirley

>

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I just finished setting up my daughter's special needs trust and used

Rubin. He is in Buffalo Grove and his number is 847.279.7999

He is very knowledgible and would highly recommend his office.

Jean

>

> Hello everyone. I am going to be looking for a lawyer to set up a

> special needs trust, possible medical guardianship, will, etc. I

do

> have a few names of lawyers but I just wanted to know if anyone has

> done this, maybe could suggest questions I need to ask. I have a

few

> of my own but there are always things you forget to ask and I was

> hoping many of you have already done this. I spoke with PACT

yesterday

> and I was surprised they still had our case file. We need to get

Chris

> (is 26 with DS) a Medicaid waver for them to go forward with

> this. (we had several problems getting PACT to process as we

> could not get Medicaid) We tried and were denied before as Chris

gets

> SSDI, works, is on Medicare A and B as well as my medical, dental,

> prescription plan. I am hoping a lawyer will help me with this as

> well. Any ideas, questions, advice would be greatly appreciated.

> Also, can anyone shed any light on a ball park figure this may cost

> me? Thanks in advance. Shirley

>

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Thank you I have heard great things about him and I will probably go with him.

Walter <reedupuis@...> wrote: Your list of attorneys

probably already includes Rubin. We have

used his services (actually over 10 years ago) and I know that he is

totally up-to-date and I see him regularly at monthly meetings of a

provider-parent group.

As competence is critical and many attorneys who do this only as a

sideline can cause more grief than good, cost should be secondary to

real expertise. I don't know 's current fees but he is very

competent.

Good luck,

Walter ( brand-new subscriber but long-time involvee and

advocate)

>

> Hello everyone. I am going to be looking for a lawyer to set up a

> special needs trust, possible medical guardianship, will, etc. I

do

> have a few names of lawyers but I just wanted to know if anyone has

> done this, maybe could suggest questions I need to ask. I have a

few

> of my own but there are always things you forget to ask and I was

> hoping many of you have already done this. I spoke with PACT

yesterday

> and I was surprised they still had our case file. We need to get

Chris

> (is 26 with DS) a Medicaid waver for them to go forward with

> this. (we had several problems getting PACT to process as we

> could not get Medicaid) We tried and were denied before as Chris

gets

> SSDI, works, is on Medicare A and B as well as my medical, dental,

> prescription plan. I am hoping a lawyer will help me with this as

> well. Any ideas, questions, advice would be greatly appreciated.

> Also, can anyone shed any light on a ball park figure this may cost

> me? Thanks in advance. Shirley

>

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Sherri Schneider is another good resource.

She has a business called Family Benefit Solutions. She works with and

recommends various attorneys, including Rubin. She primarily assists

families in accessing entitlement programs.

Sherri's number is 847/279-8506 and 's office number is 847/279-7999.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Can anyone help?

Your list of attorneys probably already includes Rubin. We have

used his services (actually over 10 years ago) and I know that he is

totally up-to-date and I see him regularly at monthly meetings of a

provider-parent group.

As competence is critical and many attorneys who do this only as a

sideline can cause more grief than good, cost should be secondary to

real expertise. I don't know 's current fees but he is very

competent.

Good luck,

Walter ( brand-new subscriber but long-time involvee and

advocate)

>

> Hello everyone. I am going to be looking for a lawyer to set up a

> special needs trust, possible medical guardianship, will, etc. I

do

> have a few names of lawyers but I just wanted to know if anyone has

> done this, maybe could suggest questions I need to ask. I have a

few

> of my own but there are always things you forget to ask and I was

> hoping many of you have already done this. I spoke with PACT

yesterday

> and I was surprised they still had our case file. We need to get

Chris

> (is 26 with DS) a Medicaid waver for them to go forward with

> this. (we had several problems getting PACT to process as we

> could not get Medicaid) We tried and were denied before as Chris

gets

> SSDI, works, is on Medicare A and B as well as my medical, dental,

> prescription plan. I am hoping a lawyer will help me with this as

> well. Any ideas, questions, advice would be greatly appreciated.

> Also, can anyone shed any light on a ball park figure this may cost

> me? Thanks in advance. Shirley

>

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Thank you. I will add her to my list. Do you think I should call her first?

Does she charge for her services?

Ellen Bronfeld <egskb@...> wrote: Sherri Schneider is another

good resource.

She has a business called Family Benefit Solutions. She works with and

recommends various attorneys, including Rubin. She primarily assists

families in accessing entitlement programs.

Sherri's number is 847/279-8506 and 's office number is 847/279-7999.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Can anyone help?

Your list of attorneys probably already includes Rubin. We have

used his services (actually over 10 years ago) and I know that he is

totally up-to-date and I see him regularly at monthly meetings of a

provider-parent group.

As competence is critical and many attorneys who do this only as a

sideline can cause more grief than good, cost should be secondary to

real expertise. I don't know 's current fees but he is very

competent.

Good luck,

Walter ( brand-new subscriber but long-time involvee and

advocate)

>

> Hello everyone. I am going to be looking for a lawyer to set up a

> special needs trust, possible medical guardianship, will, etc. I

do

> have a few names of lawyers but I just wanted to know if anyone has

> done this, maybe could suggest questions I need to ask. I have a

few

> of my own but there are always things you forget to ask and I was

> hoping many of you have already done this. I spoke with PACT

yesterday

> and I was surprised they still had our case file. We need to get

Chris

> (is 26 with DS) a Medicaid waver for them to go forward with

> this. (we had several problems getting PACT to process as we

> could not get Medicaid) We tried and were denied before as Chris

gets

> SSDI, works, is on Medicare A and B as well as my medical, dental,

> prescription plan. I am hoping a lawyer will help me with this as

> well. Any ideas, questions, advice would be greatly appreciated.

> Also, can anyone shed any light on a ball park figure this may cost

> me? Thanks in advance. Shirley

>

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Yes, she charges but she will see you for a free hour of consultation (or at

least, this used to be the case) and then you can decide whether she can provide

you with what you need at a price you can afford.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Can anyone help?

Your list of attorneys probably already includes Rubin. We have

used his services (actually over 10 years ago) and I know that he is

totally up-to-date and I see him regularly at monthly meetings of a

provider-parent group.

As competence is critical and many attorneys who do this only as a

sideline can cause more grief than good, cost should be secondary to

real expertise. I don't know 's current fees but he is very

competent.

Good luck,

Walter ( brand-new subscriber but long-time involvee and

advocate)

>

> Hello everyone. I am going to be looking for a lawyer to set up a

> special needs trust, possible medical guardianship, will, etc. I

do

> have a few names of lawyers but I just wanted to know if anyone has

> done this, maybe could suggest questions I need to ask. I have a

few

> of my own but there are always things you forget to ask and I was

> hoping many of you have already done this. I spoke with PACT

yesterday

> and I was surprised they still had our case file. We need to get

Chris

> (is 26 with DS) a Medicaid waver for them to go forward with

> this. (we had several problems getting PACT to process as we

> could not get Medicaid) We tried and were denied before as Chris

gets

> SSDI, works, is on Medicare A and B as well as my medical, dental,

> prescription plan. I am hoping a lawyer will help me with this as

> well. Any ideas, questions, advice would be greatly appreciated.

> Also, can anyone shed any light on a ball park figure this may cost

> me? Thanks in advance. Shirley

>

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Life's Plan is a non-profit agency that manages a pooled special needs

trusty in DuPage County. They have a list of attorneys from around the

state that have expertise in setting up special needs trusts. You can

call them at 630-628-7189 or go to their web site at Lifesplaninc.org.

Ficker Terrill

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IPADDUnite

Subject: Can anyone help?

Hello everyone. I am going to be looking for a lawyer to set up a

special needs trust, possible medical guardianship, will, etc. I do

have a few names of lawyers but I just wanted to know if anyone has

done this, maybe could suggest questions I need to ask. I have a few

of my own but there are always things you forget to ask and I was

hoping many of you have already done this. I spoke with PACT yesterday

and I was surprised they still had our case file. We need to get Chris

(is 26 with DS) a Medicaid waver for them to go forward with

this. (we had several problems getting PACT to process as we

could not get Medicaid) We tried and were denied before as gets

SSDI, works, is on Medicare A and B as well as my medical, dental,

prescription plan. I am hoping a lawyer will help me with this as

well. Any ideas, questions, advice would be greatly appreciated.

Also, can anyone shed any light on a ball park figure this may cost

me? Thanks in advance. Shirley

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Responding to your post.. I would strongly encourage you to use . I worked

with he and Anne Ehlert for a brief time and I would give her your financial

and medicaid stuff as well. They work hand in hand. Anne will give you a

first time consult but I agree with an earlier post... cost should not be

considered...

Re: Re: Can anyone help?

Thank you I will add that to my list. Is this who you used? I will probably go

with , but who knows.

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As far as the cost I just needed a ball park as I am retired and my husband is

on SSDI so we don't have a lot of money laying around. I can get it but I need

to know about how much. I will definitely use and Anne as I have

heard great things about . It all gets a little overwhelming when you have

PACT calling after several years wanting to open his case again and I want to

dot my I's and cross my T's so I can get Medicaid this time. gets

SSDI, Medicare A and B, works part time and he is also on my medical and dental

through my retirement. Thank you for your input. I just wish I could keep up

on this and the DS website. So many great people with lots of knowledge and so

little time. Thanks again everyone. Shirley

tony duenas <hskylvr99@...> wrote: Responding to your post.. I

would strongly encourage you to use . I worked with he and Anne Ehlert

for a brief time and I would give her your financial and medicaid stuff as well.

They work hand in hand. Anne will give you a first time consult but I agree

with an earlier post... cost should not be considered...

Re: Re: Can anyone help?

Thank you I will add that to my list. Is this who you used? I will probably go

with , but who knows.

glk2608aol (DOT) com wrote: How about Cahill from Naperville, IL

************ **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

http://body. aol.com/fitness/ winter-exercise? NCID=aolcmp00300 000002489

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I just paid about $2300 to to create a SN Trust for my daughter and put

all my ducks in a row with my Living Trust and etc. Good thing about is

that he has one set fee and will tell you up front what everything will cost.

--------- Re: Re: Can anyone help?

Thank you I will add that to my list. Is this who you used? I will probably go

with , but who knows.

glk2608aol (DOT) com wrote: How about Cahill from Naperville, IL

************ **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

http://body. aol.com/fitness/ winter-exercise? NCID=aolcmp00300 000002489

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