Guest guest Posted May 15, 2002 Report Share Posted May 15, 2002 Boy Phil, I know what you mean. I had to go the ER 15 years ago after taking a very small dose of valium and then trying to quit, thought I was having a heart attack. Here is my suggestion. Try reducing the K dosage a little, and then use sedating antihistamines or something else that is not in the K/valium family every other nite. Do not stop K cold turkey. Maybe you should discuss this with your doc. My point is, you need good sleep, so if you can rotate several meds, you won't get hooked on any one and you won't build up a tolerance. Have you tried Sonata? Good luck. Mike > I am concerned about using Klonopin for my sleep particularly as I think I am hooked on the drug now. How can one wean oneself off of it and what other meds or supplements are available for the same purpose? > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2002 Report Share Posted May 15, 2002 I have taken Klonopin for a while. If I run out and don't have it for a day I sleep very poorly. But last time I took a bunch of melatonin and it worked pretty well. I think it was 9 or 12 mg. Plus doxepin and valerian. Cheney says that Klonopin is not addicting in the classic sense. This is from http://virtualhometown.com/dfwcfids/medical/klonopin.html MYTH NUMBER TWO: KLONOPIN IS ADDICTIVE. Dr. Cheney was adamant that Klonopin is not addictive. In treating thousands of patients, Cheney has never seen a patient become addicted to Klonopin. He reviewed the definition of addiction, stating that it involves: (1) psychosocial disruption, (2) accelerated use, (3) inappropriate use, and (4) drug seeking behavior. Cheney said a case might be made that Klonopin is habituating. It's true that it can not be stopped suddenly. You must taper off of it gradually. However, Cheney was cautious about even calling it habituating. The process of tapering off a drug is not the same thing as withdrawal, a term that implies addiction. Cheney said to keep in mind that Klonopin is given for a physiological problem, excitatory neurotoxicity. It is prescribed to adjust the threshold potential: to keep neurons from firing inappropriately and being destroyed. He stressed that Klonopin should never be given unless you intend to raise the threshold potential. He stated, " Problems arise when you begin to use benzodiazapines for reasons other than threshold manipulation. " However, CFIDS patients have a " threshold potential aberration " and need Klonopin (or something similar) to avoid brain injury. Cheney has never seen a recovered patient have difficulty coming off Klonopin. He stated, " When you no longer need the drug, coming off it is very easy. " On the other hand, trouble arises when someone who still has an injured brain tries to come off Klonopin. It is like a thyroid patient stopping their thyroid medication. Cheney warned, " All hell breaks loose " . However, it is not because the drug is addicting, and it is not withdrawal. The condition still exists, and the body lets you know it has a legitimate physical need for the drug. Cheney stated, " When a CFIDS patient who is still experiencing the underlying mechanisms of brain injury goes off Klonopin, there is a burst of excess neural firing and cell death. ThatÌs the havoc we hear about that is mistakenly called withdrawal. " Thanks, Doris Klonopin > I am concerned about using Klonopin for my sleep particularly as I think I am hooked on the drug now. How can one wean oneself off of it and what other meds or supplements are available for the same purpose? > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 I have to admit that makes sense but I'm concerned that I can't sleep without it. Phil > hi Phil and all - > > if it helps you sleep and function, why wean yourself off it? If it > works, then your brain most likely really needs it - think of it as a > diabetic using insulin. Klonopin is *habituating* but not *addictive* - > 2 different things. For more info see See > www.virtualhometown.com/dfwcfids in the Cheney section. There are a > whole variety of meds and supplements that some people have found > useful - for meds, try an archive search, for supps, check out the > www.immunesupport.com website and/or their catalog. > > Judith G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 --- I think I'm convinced and will just continue taking it. Phil > MYTH NUMBER TWO: KLONOPIN IS ADDICTIVE. Dr. Cheney was adamant that Klonopin > is not addictive. In treating thousands of patients, Cheney has never seen a > patient become addicted to Klonopin. He reviewed the definition of > addiction, stating that it involves: (1) psychosocial disruption, (2) > accelerated use, (3) inappropriate use, and (4) drug seeking behavior. > > Cheney said a case might be made that Klonopin is habituating. It's true > that it can not be stopped suddenly. You must taper off of it gradually. > However, Cheney was cautious about even calling it habituating. The process > of tapering off a drug is not the same thing as withdrawal, a term that > implies addiction. > > Cheney said to keep in mind that Klonopin is given for a physiological > problem, excitatory neurotoxicity. It is prescribed to adjust the threshold > potential: to keep neurons from firing inappropriately and being destroyed. > He stressed that Klonopin should never be given unless you intend to raise > the threshold potential. He stated, " Problems arise when you begin to use > benzodiazapines for reasons other than threshold manipulation. " However, > CFIDS patients have a " threshold potential aberration " and need Klonopin (or > something similar) to avoid brain injury. Cheney has never seen a recovered > patient have difficulty coming off Klonopin. He stated, " When you no longer > need the drug, coming off it is very easy. " > > On the other hand, trouble arises when someone who still has an injured > brain tries to come off Klonopin. It is like a thyroid patient stopping > their thyroid medication. Cheney warned, " All hell breaks loose " . However, > it is not because the drug is addicting, and it is not withdrawal. The > condition still exists, and the body lets you know it has a legitimate > physical need for the drug. Cheney stated, " When a CFIDS patient who is > still experiencing the underlying mechanisms of brain injury goes off > Klonopin, there is a burst of excess neural firing and cell death. ThatÌs > the havoc we hear about that is mistakenly called withdrawal. " > > Thanks, > Doris > Klonopin > > > > I am concerned about using Klonopin for my sleep particularly as I think I > am hooked on the drug now. How can one wean oneself off of it and what other > meds or supplements are available for the same purpose? > > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 In a message dated 5/15/02 10:30:41 AM Mountain Daylight Time, philcome@... writes: > I am concerned about using Klonopin for my sleep particularly as I think I > am hooked on the drug now. How can one wean oneself off of it and what other > meds or supplements are available for the same purpose? Phil, I am real real happy with l-tryptophan. I have been using it for years. I only need one cap (500mg) but I recently read it can be used in much larger doses. It is perfectly safe, non addicting, no side effects. Adrienne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2003 Report Share Posted March 28, 2003 Just wanted to add my two cents on the Klonopin issue. I started taking about 18 months ago. I take .5mg in the morning, .5 mg with dinner, and .5 mg at bedtime. Since I started, I no longer have nearly as much brain fog or seizure-like episodes (not true seizures, just sort of freezing at the sight of blinking lights), and I can sleep through the night now for the first time since I got sick. I think it is a wonderful drug for those that it helps. I'm sure it's not for everybody, but it has been a godsend for me. FWIW - Jennie in California ===== " I must not fear....I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.... " - Herbert, in Dune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 , 2-3mg of Doxepin, 100mg of Nuerontin, Sublingual Melatonin + time release Melatonin, work very well for me for sleep. I could not tolerate Klonopin for some reason, or GABA either. This just goes to show, you can take hints from other PWC's, but often you have to go through the laborious proccess of seeing if a particular substance works for you, or not, own your own. Zippy --------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi > > Any one out there who is taking Klonopin for sleep - how much do you take? > > Also are you taking it in conjunction with Doxepin > > > Thanks > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 FOr sleep,I used to take 0.5 mg of klonopin with 100 mg Neurontin and 1.5 mg melatonin. I did not add doxepin because I was feeling extremely drowsy in the morning with doxepin. Now I am coming off of klonopin as I dont want to get too addicted to it. I am just taking neurontin, increased my melatonin to 3 mg and revitalizing sleep formula(Teitalbaum's formulation- enzymatic therapy product). But sleep is not as good as it was when taking klonopin. Hopefully the withdrawal effects will disappear soon. Thanks Gayathri. > Hi > > Any one out there who is taking Klonopin for sleep - how much do you take? > > Also are you taking it in conjunction with Doxepin > > > Thanks > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Hi I take 1mg klonopin and 50mg doxepin. I also take quite a bit of melatonin, and valerian. The klonopin and doxepin seem to do great for keeping me asleep, but I still need something to get to sleep. Used to use ambien and that worked great, but can't get it now. Thanks, Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: Any one out there who is taking Klonopin for sleep - how much do you take? Also are you taking it in conjunction with Doxepin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 Hi Thanks Doris, Gayathri, Zippy for your replies about klonopin. I see that some of you are taking neurontin aswell. I didn't realise this was for sleep - I thought it was for pain. Does it help sleep??? Thanks Re: Klonopin , 2-3mg of Doxepin, 100mg of Nuerontin, Sublingual Melatonin + time release Melatonin, work very well for me for sleep. I could not tolerate Klonopin for some reason, or GABA either. This just goes to show, you can take hints from other PWC's, but often you have to go through the laborious proccess of seeing if a particular substance works for you, or not, own your own. Zippy --------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi > > Any one out there who is taking Klonopin for sleep - how much do you take? > > Also are you taking it in conjunction with Doxepin > > > Thanks > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 In a message dated 11/11/03 7:00:31 AM, " Jill Lynch " <jill.lynch@...> writes: > > I take Klonopin to help me fall asleep at night. My problem is that I have > thoughts that race through my head at night and make it difficult for me to > relax and just fall asleep. If I don't take Klonopin at night I may take me > 2-3 hours to fall asleep. When I take it, maybe 20-30 minutes to fall > asleep. > > My question is that lately, it's not working. It's taking me a couple of > hours to fall asleep. I've been taking 0.5 mg. I just read that you can > take 1.5mg a day for awhile and then gradually increase to 8mg a day - but > this was for people who take it as an anticonvulgent. > > > I'm a little scared of Klonopin because back in 1999 I took three pills and > drank a lot of alcohol. The night ended with me nearing death and getting > my stomach pumped. I'm sure had I not drank any alcohol this wouldn't have > happened. But still I get nervous. > > > Does anyone else take Klonopin for sleeping? What dose do you take? > > Hey Jill, > First of all, are you taking Klonopin for insomnia brought on by Lexapro? or for another condition? Klonopin is a benzodiazepine, basically a tranquilizer in the same family as Xanax and Valium. I'm curious who prescribed Klonopin for sleep, though -- it's an odd choice. Each member of the benzo family has it strengths and weaknesses... Klonopin mainly does two things: prevents panic, and prevents seizures. Like all benzos, though, it causes drowsiness, etc. The benzo of choice for insomnia is Restoril. I'm wondering why your doctor gave you Klonopin instead. Klonopin's starting dose is usually 0.5 mg t.i.d. or p.r.n.... Your body eventually does become dependent on the drug, and you may notice you need more to achieve the same effect. I take Klonopin for panic, started at 0.5mg t.i.d. and am now up to 2 mg t.i.d. (!)... With Restoril, (which I took for insomnia related to Lexapro, before I got on Klonopin), the normal starting dosage is 15mg qhs... but 15 did nothing for me, so I found myself at 30 mg, the max dosage. You might talk to your doctor about switching drugs is Klonopin isn't working for your insomnia. It's not really a drug designed for that. Ambien, which isn't a benzo but works similarly, is also a good choice. All the best, in Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 I take Klonopin throughout the day for anxiety. I find that it doesn't work as well since I'm on lexapro. That just might be me. Your mileage may vary. On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 12:44:04AM -0700, Jill Lynch wrote: > I take Klonopin to help me fall asleep at night. My problem is that I have > thoughts that race through my head at night and make it difficult for me to > relax and just fall asleep. If I don't take Klonopin at night I may take me > 2-3 hours to fall asleep. When I take it, maybe 20-30 minutes to fall > asleep. > > > > My question is that lately, it's not working. It's taking me a couple of > hours to fall asleep. I've been taking 0.5 mg. I just read that you can > take 1.5mg a day for awhile and then gradually increase to 8mg a day - but > this was for people who take it as an anticonvulgent. > > > > I'm a little scared of Klonopin because back in 1999 I took three pills and > drank a lot of alcohol. The night ended with me nearing death and getting > my stomach pumped. I'm sure had I not drank any alcohol this wouldn't have > happened. But still I get nervous. > > > > Does anyone else take Klonopin for sleeping? What dose do you take? > > > > Thanks, > > Jill > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 One of the big problems with klonopin, and benzos in general, is that you tend to build up a tolerence level to them. Maybe you should talk to your doctor about adjusting your dosage if you find it to be less effective. Mixing klonopin and alcohol is definitely a very, very bad idea. For the record, I take klonopin to relieve anxiety and help me sleep. I take .25mg (half of a half mg pill) before bedtime. I also take 'as needed' but hardly ever other then bedtime. I'm also on 40mg of Lex a day. - > In a message dated 11/11/03 7:00:31 AM, " Jill Lynch " <jill.lynch@c...> > writes: > > > > I take Klonopin to help me fall asleep at night. My problem is that I have > > thoughts that race through my head at night and make it difficult for me to > > relax and just fall asleep. If I don't take Klonopin at night I may take me > > 2-3 hours to fall asleep. When I take it, maybe 20-30 minutes to fall > > asleep. > > > > My question is that lately, it's not working. It's taking me a couple of > > hours to fall asleep. I've been taking 0.5 mg. I just read that you can > > take 1.5mg a day for awhile and then gradually increase to 8mg a day - but > > this was for people who take it as an anticonvulgent. > > > > > > I'm a little scared of Klonopin because back in 1999 I took three pills and > > drank a lot of alcohol. The night ended with me nearing death and getting > > my stomach pumped. I'm sure had I not drank any alcohol this wouldn't have > > happened. But still I get nervous. > > > > > > Does anyone else take Klonopin for sleeping? What dose do you take? > > > > > Hey Jill, > > > First of all, are you taking Klonopin for insomnia brought on by Lexapro? or > for another condition? > > Klonopin is a benzodiazepine, basically a tranquilizer in the same family as > Xanax and Valium. I'm curious who prescribed Klonopin for sleep, though -- > it's an odd choice. Each member of the benzo family has it strengths and > weaknesses... Klonopin mainly does two things: prevents panic, and prevents seizures. > Like all benzos, though, it causes drowsiness, etc. > > The benzo of choice for insomnia is Restoril. I'm wondering why your doctor > gave you Klonopin instead. > > Klonopin's starting dose is usually 0.5 mg t.i.d. or p.r.n.... Your body > eventually does become dependent on the drug, and you may notice you need more to > achieve the same effect. I take Klonopin for panic, started at 0.5mg t.i.d. > and am now up to 2 mg t.i.d. (!)... > > With Restoril, (which I took for insomnia related to Lexapro, before I got on > Klonopin), the normal starting dosage is 15mg qhs... but 15 did nothing for > me, so I found myself at 30 mg, the max dosage. > > You might talk to your doctor about switching drugs is Klonopin isn't working > for your insomnia. It's not really a drug designed for that. Ambien, which > isn't a benzo but works similarly, is also a good choice. > > All the best, > in Houston > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 I had it prescribed and took it for a good while. It was given to me for high blood pressure, but I read on the sheet from the pharmacist that it was for seizures. Didn't have any trouble getting off it, though. Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 Georgie: Klonopin/Clonazepam is given for movement disorders (something similar to seizures). It is also given to relieve anxiety, a necessity for a lot of folks with AICDs. And, as noted in another message, it is addictive....but not troublesome, just have to be weaned off it gradually. PatP ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Friends: does any one take clonopin? I thought > > I read something about it in one of the messages > > I received. Why is it taken? Are there any side > > effects to it? Thank you. > > Georgie > > (on behalf of my brother in law) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 In a message dated 9/8/04 6:09:55 AM Mountain Daylight Time, SSRI medications writes: > How can the brain be protected against excitatory neurotoxicity? Klonopin. > This long acting benzodiazepine has been Cheney's most effective drug for > CFIDS over the years. He believes that Klonopin and the supplement magnesium may > be two of the most important treatments for CFIDS patients because of their > neuroprotective qualities. How much did he get paid to say this??? And who paid him, the manufacturer of Klonopin???? Sheesh. " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 In a message dated 9/8/04 6:09:55 AM Mountain Daylight Time, SSRI medications writes: > How can the brain be protected against excitatory neurotoxicity? Klonopin. > This long acting benzodiazepine has been Cheney's most effective drug for > CFIDS over the years. He believes that Klonopin and the supplement magnesium may > be two of the most important treatments for CFIDS patients because of their > neuroprotective qualities. How much did he get paid to say this??? And who paid him, the manufacturer of Klonopin???? Sheesh. " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 In a message dated 9/8/04 6:09:55 AM Mountain Daylight Time, SSRI medications writes: > How can the brain be protected against excitatory neurotoxicity? Klonopin. > This long acting benzodiazepine has been Cheney's most effective drug for > CFIDS over the years. He believes that Klonopin and the supplement magnesium may > be two of the most important treatments for CFIDS patients because of their > neuroprotective qualities. How much did he get paid to say this??? And who paid him, the manufacturer of Klonopin???? Sheesh. " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 In a message dated 9/8/04 6:09:55 AM Mountain Daylight Time, SSRI medications writes: > How can the brain be protected against excitatory neurotoxicity? Klonopin. > This long acting benzodiazepine has been Cheney's most effective drug for > CFIDS over the years. He believes that Klonopin and the supplement magnesium may > be two of the most important treatments for CFIDS patients because of their > neuroprotective qualities. How much did he get paid to say this??? And who paid him, the manufacturer of Klonopin???? Sheesh. " Blind Reason " a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's Unsafe At Any Dose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Well, many of us take it. You probably know that Cheney believes it helps protect the brain. I realize that some people think the addiction is not worth it. But my personal feeling is that I can worry about addiction once I am well enough to care. I do make sure I don't increase my dose; I have been on the same amount for years. Instead I add other things like melatonin, 5-HTP, and Valerian to sleep. I also know that the head of the mycoplasma group constantly says she thinks you can't get rid of mycoplasma if you take klonopin, which would indicate some type of immune supression. But nobody has ever come up with a study for me or even a theory or some data to support that. Obviously it is personal and I am not a doctor, but I go by whether it is helping me now. Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: joyce kaye I take 1 3/4 pills per night. It helps with my sleep and concentration. I couldn't live without it. Could someone tell me something good about it so I don't have to go to Betty Ford clinic? I have tried just 1 mg and I end up not sleeping well and very anxious. joyce kaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 I think the gaba receptor drugs are very useful in chronic lyme, CFIDS, fibromyalgia. I do think they are neuroprotective, just from personal experience. Also, without sleep there is no chance of healing. OTOH, taking as little as you actually need is important. Doctors overprescribe them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Joyce- When somebody says that K or valium cause 'brain shrinkage' I think you have to question the source-not the person but where the info is coming from. Dr. Cheney recommends K, and since I have never heard of " brain shrinkage " , I think I will stick w/ Cheney on this one. However, K, valium, ativan are all addictive, and you just don't want to stop cold turkey. Personally, I take .5 mg. 3-4 times per week and have no desire to take it during the day or anytime other than when I can't fall asleep. The consequenses of not sleeping can be much worse than the mild withdrawal effects that will occur if/when one decides to quit K. Mike C. > I take 1 3/4 pills per night. It helps with my sleep and concentration. I couldn't live without it. Could someone tell me something good about it so I don't have to go to Betty Ford clinic? I have tried just 1 mg and I end up not sleeping well and very anxious. joyce kaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Hi Helen, Twelve months ago I became depressed for the first time. All the antidepressants I was given reacted badly and I was put on clonazepam (klonopin) for 4 weeks and later on diazepam. Both were a very bad idea and reduced me to suicidal. I got myself off the diazepam which had taken over from the clonazepam using Ashtons protocol (if you put her name in a search engine it should come up). Interestingly she says that 0.5mg of clonazepam is equivalent to 10 mg of diazepam, which is an awful lot. She suggests switching from any benzo to it's equivalent dose of diazepam because the titration of the latter is smaller and the half life longer, so withdrawal is smoother. I can remember reading a bit about Stevie Nicks saying it was very much easier to get off cocaine than klonopin, those benzos are horrid. Mind you you really notice tbe difference for the better once they are out of your system, so it's very much worth the withdrawal. Rosie Subject: klonopin I was put on klonopin for insomnia. They say it's not addictive and it's not in the sense you don't crave it, but it creates dependency nonetheless. It can also cause depression which hit me hard and getting off it was terrible. I learned a water titration method which I share with anyone interested, it allows you to make very small cuts by crushing your pill and putting it in suspension in water. Helen This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 While I don't disagree that it is hard to get off klonopin, I have heard from someone who is having a hard time and has researched this a lot, that it is much easier for some people, and more difficult for others. Also, I have taken it for 6 or 7 years now and have never been the least bit depressed. So it is not an absolute. Doris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2005 Report Share Posted March 5, 2005 Hi. My name is and mainly I'm a lurker on the site. But what you had to say about klonopin caught my eye. Currently I am on 1.5 to 2 mg. for insomnia, and hate it. I feel physically as well as psychologically addicted. Many years ago, I went on it for sleep problems and I remember the withdrawal as being so totally terrible, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I'd be glad for any suggestions you might have so I can banish from my life forever this very addictive drug. Thank you. nancybee228@... elen9jora <helen9jora@...> wrote: I was put on klonopin for insomnia. They say it's not addictive and it's not in the sense you don't crave it, but it creates dependency nonetheless. It can also cause depression which hit me hard and getting off it was terrible. I learned a water titration method which I share with anyone interested, it allows you to make very small cuts by crushing your pill and putting it in suspension in water. Helen This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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