magnesium question

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I use Milk of Magnesia successfully for years now as my critically important Mg source. I take 1/2 to 1 tsp several times a day. The trick is to avoid loose stools. Mg does not cause diarrhea, which is a disease process.

I get the PLAIN WalMart brand of MoM for less than $4.00 for 24 ounces.

Start at low doses and work up. Amazing stuff. B6 is it's cofactor, helps make the Mg work.

mjh

Re: Magnesium question Posted by: "Jane Rowland" classicalwriter@... onekidmomus Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 12:15 pm (PDT) you wrote:Start slow since it may initially give you diarrhea. 100mg for a couple days and increase if youcan. I think it is Brownstein that recommends up to 1200mg. Some of us also take a magnesiumdrink called `Natural Calm' it is a patented form of Magnesium Citrate. A full dose of that is650mg of magnesium. I take it before bed since it can make you sleepy.>>I found Mag Citrate by Now for 1/3 the price of Calm. Tastes like citric acid (tart) but I dont see any reason it shoulnt work as well as Calm. Your thoughts?

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you wrote:

Start slow since it may initially give you diarrhea. 100mg for a couple days and increase if youcan. I think it is Brownstein that recommends up to 1200mg. Some of us also take a magnesiumdrink called `Natural Calm' it is a patented form of Magnesium Citrate. A full dose of that is650mg of magnesium. I take it before bed since it can make you sleepy.>>

I found Mag Citrate by Now for 1/3 the price of Calm. Tastes like citric acid (tart) but I dont see any reason it shoulnt work as well as Calm. Your thoughts?

Jane

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and all,

Who knows of one or two of the most reliable and affordable labs from whcih you can have Vitamin and Mineral levels checked? What form are the tests ? Blood or hair?

Thank you,

Jane

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"Natural Calm" magnesium is the best in my opinion. It's in the citrate form. It is highly absorbable and in powdered form. You mix it in some water and that's it. I wouldn't use anything else

Re: Magnesium question

I use Milk of Magnesia successfully for years now as my critically important Mg source. I take 1/2 to 1 tsp several times a day. The trick is to avoid loose stools. Mg does not cause diarrhea, which is a disease process.

I get the PLAIN WalMart brand of MoM for less than $4.00 for 24 ounces.

Start at low doses and work up. Amazing stuff. B6 is it's cofactor, helps make the Mg work.

mjh

Re: Magnesium question Posted by: "Jane Rowland" classicalwriterspeedfactory onekidmomus Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 12:15 pm (PDT) you wrote:Start slow since it may initially give you diarrhea. 100mg for a couple days and increase if youcan. I think it is Brownstein that recommends up to 1200mg. Some of us also take a magnesiumdrink called `Natural Calm' it is a patented form of Magnesium Citrate. A full dose of that is650mg of magnesium. I take it before bed since it can make you sleepy.>>I found Mag Citrate by Now for 1/3 the price of Calm. Tastes like citric acid (tart) but I dont see any reason it shoulnt work as well as Calm. Your thoughts?

mjh"The Basil Book"http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

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> I found Mag Citrate by Now for 1/3 the price of Calm. Tastes like citric

> acid (tart) but I dont see any reason it shoulnt work as well as Calm. Your

> thoughts?

If you are talking about the powder that foams like `Natural Calm'... I tried it

too. Somehow it

just did not have the same effect. I was very deficient so I could literally

tell long the

different types stayed circulating. I suppose that because `Natural Calm' is

patented, that no

one can truly knock it off exactly. I even bought plain mag citrate powder and

tried everything

to make it dissolve clear with the use of mild acids like vinegar but it always

stayed white in

the water.

--- foxhillers@... wrote:

>

> I use Milk of Magnesia successfully for years now as my critically important

> Mg source. I take 1/2 to 1 tsp several times a day. The trick is to avoid

> loose stools. Mg does not cause diarrhea, which is a disease process.

>

>

> I get the PLAIN WalMart brand of MoM for less than $4.00 for 24 ounces.

>

>

>

> Start at low doses and work up. Amazing stuff. B6 is it's cofactor, helps

> make the Mg work.

>

>

> mjh

>

> Re: Magnesium question

> Posted by: " Jane Rowland " classicalwriter@... onekidmomus

> Date: Tue Sep 5, 2006 12:15 pm (PDT)

>

> you wrote:

>

> Start slow since it may initially give you diarrhea. 100mg for a couple days

> and increase if you

> can. I think it is Brownstein that recommends up to 1200mg. Some of us also

> take a magnesium

> drink called `Natural Calm' it is a patented form of Magnesium Citrate. A

> full dose of that is

> 650mg of magnesium. I take it before bed since it can make you sleepy.>>

>

>

>

>

> mjh

> " The Basil Book "

> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

>

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Ditto....I use it every day. V

>

> " Natural Calm " magnesium is the best in my opinion. It's in the

citrate form. It is highly absorbable and in powdered form. You mix it

in some water and that's it. I wouldn't use anything else

> ----- Original Message -----

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>From: <kennio@...>

>

>If you are talking about the powder that foams like `Natural Calm'... I

>tried it too. Somehow it

>just did not have the same effect.

It may not just depend on magnesium status. Calcium and magnesium are

supposed to be in an appropriate balance. That to some degree might make a

difference in which one works.

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With all my magnesium taking I have never had a EXATEST or Red Blood Cell

analysis that showed

anything but low to slightly low magnesium and normal if not slightly high

calcium. I do not

supplement by just how I feel, I supplement by test results... the only way to

figure out what is

going on.

I believe that after the years of magnesium deficiency I am continuing to

dissolve the calcium

deposits in my tissues. I don't supplement calcium at all. I know some say

they can't tolerate

magnesium but only a test to determine status could determine whether you are

sufficient or not.

I couldn't tolerate vit-c until now, it was obviously a combination of things

that needed to be

resolved, I consider it a breakthrough in my health. I think we are all here

because of quirky

health problems and testing is our best plan of attack.

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: <kennio@...>

>

> >

> >If you are talking about the powder that foams like `Natural Calm'... I

> >tried it too. Somehow it

> >just did not have the same effect.

>

> It may not just depend on magnesium status. Calcium and magnesium are

> supposed to be in an appropriate balance. That to some degree might make a

> difference in which one works.

>

> Skipper

>

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>From: <kennio@...>

>With all my magnesium taking I have never had a EXATEST or Red Blood Cell

>analysis that showed

>anything but low to slightly low magnesium and normal if not slightly high

>calcium. I do not

>supplement by just how I feel, I supplement by test results... the only way

>to figure out what is

>going on.

>

>I believe that after the years of magnesium deficiency I am continuing to

>dissolve the calcium

>deposits in my tissues. I don't supplement calcium at all. I know some

>say they can't tolerate

>magnesium but only a test to determine status could determine whether you

>are sufficient or not.

>I couldn't tolerate vit-c until now, it was obviously a combination of

>things that needed to be

>resolved, I consider it a breakthrough in my health. I think we are all

>here because of quirky

>health problems and testing is our best plan of attack.

I read a site that said that those with low cortisol tend to have too high

of magnesium levels. I think the scale on a blood test is 1.8 - 2.4.

I had the doctor test our magnesium and Vitamin C. My magnesium was 2.4,

which is top of the range. My wife's was 1.8, which is bottom of the

range, and makes sense with high cortisol levels, as cortisol depletes

magnesium. (You've also said you have high cortisol, so that would make

sense for you.) OUr Vitamin C levels were also very low. My wife could

only tolerate a small amount of Vitamin C. Maybe supplementing her

magnesium changed that, because now she tolerates Vitamin C pretty well.

I expect the blood levels demonstrate why I feel worse on magnesium.

(Supposedly, the best test is a loading one, but with what I read in

relation to cortisol, our tests made sense.) However, the adrenal " experts "

always want to put people on magnesium, and B vitamins, something else that

makes me feel worse.

Maybe the magnesium helps you tolerate the Vitamin C too. Vitamin C also

helps to keep cortisol levels down. My wife's also on phosphatidylserine to

keep her cortisol down, and it helps her mentally quite a lot. HIgh

cortisol is hard on brain function.

Skipper

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Interesting magnesium helped her with vitamin C. Magnesium did not help me

absorb Vit-C. I think

the essential fatty acids are what turned things around for me. Perhaps the

phospholipid

phosphatidylserine she is taking has helped too. Vitamin C is supposed to blunt

cortisol but I

could never get it in me. Perhaps my liver had a lack of EFA and could not

store vit-C because of

it.

Doctor only usually test serum magnesium. If the tests that you and your wife

took for magnesium

were serum only then they are not definitive. I am sure you have seen this

before. A low serum

mag test is LOW and needs immediate attention. A high test is not so clear cut.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9\

494058 & dopt=Abstract

Whether it is iodine deficiency or hypothyroidism (which may be one in the

same), the study shows

why serum magnesium would be unusually high in those with thyroid disease.

Tissue levels - Red

Blood Cell (erthrocyte) could become dangerously low. Only a test of the cells

will get you your

true status; no guessing necessary.

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: <kennio@...>

>

> >With all my magnesium taking I have never had a EXATEST or Red Blood Cell

> >analysis that showed

> >anything but low to slightly low magnesium and normal if not slightly high

> >calcium. I do not

> >supplement by just how I feel, I supplement by test results... the only way

> >to figure out what is

> >going on.

> >

> >I believe that after the years of magnesium deficiency I am continuing to

> >dissolve the calcium

> >deposits in my tissues. I don't supplement calcium at all. I know some

> >say they can't tolerate

> >magnesium but only a test to determine status could determine whether you

> >are sufficient or not.

> >I couldn't tolerate vit-c until now, it was obviously a combination of

> >things that needed to be

> >resolved, I consider it a breakthrough in my health. I think we are all

> >here because of quirky

> >health problems and testing is our best plan of attack.

>

> I read a site that said that those with low cortisol tend to have too high

> of magnesium levels. I think the scale on a blood test is 1.8 - 2.4.

>

> I had the doctor test our magnesium and Vitamin C. My magnesium was 2.4,

> which is top of the range. My wife's was 1.8, which is bottom of the

> range, and makes sense with high cortisol levels, as cortisol depletes

> magnesium. (You've also said you have high cortisol, so that would make

> sense for you.) OUr Vitamin C levels were also very low. My wife could

> only tolerate a small amount of Vitamin C. Maybe supplementing her

> magnesium changed that, because now she tolerates Vitamin C pretty well.

>

> I expect the blood levels demonstrate why I feel worse on magnesium.

> (Supposedly, the best test is a loading one, but with what I read in

> relation to cortisol, our tests made sense.) However, the adrenal " experts "

> always want to put people on magnesium, and B vitamins, something else that

> makes me feel worse.

>

> Maybe the magnesium helps you tolerate the Vitamin C too. Vitamin C also

> helps to keep cortisol levels down. My wife's also on phosphatidylserine to

> keep her cortisol down, and it helps her mentally quite a lot. HIgh

> cortisol is hard on brain function.

>

> Skipper

>

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>From: <kennio@...>

>Reply-iodine

>iodine

>Subject: Re: Magnesium question

>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:53:04 -0700 (PDT)

I know, everyone thinks their test is best.

http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T347488.html

" Total Red Cell Magnesium. Although this test is becoming more available and

the results are less variable than serum measurements, it may not adequately

reflect total body magnesium status in health and disease. "

There's also a loading test for magnesium -

http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T347488.html

" Magnesium Loading Test. This test measures urinary magnesium excretion in

response to a loading dose of magnesium. Although inconvenient to perform,

this test has successfully identified individuals with even mild degrees of

magnesium deficiency. It has been considered the most accurate test when

renal function is normal. "

Anyway, in regard to our serum tests, I expected my wife's to be depleted,

and it was low in the range, and mine to be high, and it was. So, whereas

it may not be as accurate as your test, it does make sense. Also, explains

why I feel extremely fatigued if I do take magnesium.

Not everyone needs it, and symptoms of excess are similar to those of

deficiency. Which of course, is why testing is a good idea.

>

>Interesting magnesium helped her with vitamin C. Magnesium did not help me

>absorb Vit-C. I think

>the essential fatty acids are what turned things around for me. Perhaps

>the phospholipid

>phosphatidylserine she is taking has helped too. Vitamin C is supposed to

>blunt cortisol but I

>could never get it in me. Perhaps my liver had a lack of EFA and could not

>store vit-C because of

>it.

>

>Doctor only usually test serum magnesium. If the tests that you and your

>wife took for magnesium

>were serum only then they are not definitive. I am sure you have seen this

>before. A low serum

>mag test is LOW and needs immediate attention. A high test is not so clear

>cut.

>

>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=\

9494058 & dopt=Abstract

>

>Whether it is iodine deficiency or hypothyroidism (which may be one in the

>same), the study shows

>why serum magnesium would be unusually high in those with thyroid disease.

>Tissue levels - Red

>Blood Cell (erthrocyte) could become dangerously low. Only a test of the

>cells will get you your

>true status; no guessing necessary.

>

>--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

>

> > >From: <kennio@...>

> >

> > >With all my magnesium taking I have never had a EXATEST or Red Blood

>Cell

> > >analysis that showed

> > >anything but low to slightly low magnesium and normal if not slightly

>high

> > >calcium. I do not

> > >supplement by just how I feel, I supplement by test results... the only

>way

> > >to figure out what is

> > >going on.

> > >

> > >I believe that after the years of magnesium deficiency I am continuing

>to

> > >dissolve the calcium

> > >deposits in my tissues. I don't supplement calcium at all. I know

>some

> > >say they can't tolerate

> > >magnesium but only a test to determine status could determine whether

>you

> > >are sufficient or not.

> > >I couldn't tolerate vit-c until now, it was obviously a combination of

> > >things that needed to be

> > >resolved, I consider it a breakthrough in my health. I think we are

>all

> > >here because of quirky

> > >health problems and testing is our best plan of attack.

> >

> > I read a site that said that those with low cortisol tend to have too

>high

> > of magnesium levels. I think the scale on a blood test is 1.8 - 2.4.

> >

> > I had the doctor test our magnesium and Vitamin C. My magnesium was

>2.4,

> > which is top of the range. My wife's was 1.8, which is bottom of the

> > range, and makes sense with high cortisol levels, as cortisol depletes

> > magnesium. (You've also said you have high cortisol, so that would make

> > sense for you.) OUr Vitamin C levels were also very low. My wife could

> > only tolerate a small amount of Vitamin C. Maybe supplementing her

> > magnesium changed that, because now she tolerates Vitamin C pretty well.

> >

> > I expect the blood levels demonstrate why I feel worse on magnesium.

> > (Supposedly, the best test is a loading one, but with what I read in

> > relation to cortisol, our tests made sense.) However, the adrenal

> " experts "

> > always want to put people on magnesium, and B vitamins, something else

>that

> > makes me feel worse.

> >

> > Maybe the magnesium helps you tolerate the Vitamin C too. Vitamin C

>also

> > helps to keep cortisol levels down. My wife's also on

>phosphatidylserine to

> > keep her cortisol down, and it helps her mentally quite a lot. HIgh

> > cortisol is hard on brain function.

> >

> > Skipper

> >

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The test was suggested to me by Dr. Rude... one of the world's leading

magnesium

researchers. He is a researcher with USC Keck school of medicine here in Los

Angeles. It is not

my opinion on the efficacy of Red Blood Cell Analysis; I am just sharing my

research.

If you have only had serum testing done you have no idea of your status. I get

extremely fatigued

also which is why I use it for before sleep. If I relied on my hunches, guesses

and my doctors

serum test results.. I would be the hopeless wreck I was 2 years ago; depressed,

sleep deprived,

reflux, palpitations - on heart medication with serious dehydration.

Everyone needs magnesium who has any stress going on whether physical or

emotional. They

understand this in France. I just got back from there and it is as popular

there as Vit-C here.

There are shelves of it in every form in the stores; powders, fizzy pills,

gels...even magnesium

water. The symptoms of excess are more to do with an imbalance with calcium.

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> >From: <kennio@...>

> >Reply-iodine

> >iodine

> >Subject: Re: Magnesium question

> >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:53:04 -0700 (PDT)

>

> I know, everyone thinks their test is best.

>

> http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T347488.html

> " Total Red Cell Magnesium. Although this test is becoming more available and

> the results are less variable than serum measurements, it may not adequately

> reflect total body magnesium status in health and disease. "

>

> There's also a loading test for magnesium -

>

> http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T347488.html

> " Magnesium Loading Test. This test measures urinary magnesium excretion in

> response to a loading dose of magnesium. Although inconvenient to perform,

> this test has successfully identified individuals with even mild degrees of

> magnesium deficiency. It has been considered the most accurate test when

> renal function is normal. "

>

> Anyway, in regard to our serum tests, I expected my wife's to be depleted,

> and it was low in the range, and mine to be high, and it was. So, whereas

> it may not be as accurate as your test, it does make sense. Also, explains

> why I feel extremely fatigued if I do take magnesium.

>

> Not everyone needs it, and symptoms of excess are similar to those of

> deficiency. Which of course, is why testing is a good idea.

>

>

> >

> >Interesting magnesium helped her with vitamin C. Magnesium did not help me

> >absorb Vit-C. I think

> >the essential fatty acids are what turned things around for me. Perhaps

> >the phospholipid

> >phosphatidylserine she is taking has helped too. Vitamin C is supposed to

> >blunt cortisol but I

> >could never get it in me. Perhaps my liver had a lack of EFA and could not

> >store vit-C because of

> >it.

> >

> >Doctor only usually test serum magnesium. If the tests that you and your

> >wife took for magnesium

> >were serum only then they are not definitive. I am sure you have seen this

> >before. A low serum

> >mag test is LOW and needs immediate attention. A high test is not so clear

> >cut.

> >

>

>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=\

9494058 & dopt=Abstract

> >

> >Whether it is iodine deficiency or hypothyroidism (which may be one in the

> >same), the study shows

> >why serum magnesium would be unusually high in those with thyroid disease.

> >Tissue levels - Red

> >Blood Cell (erthrocyte) could become dangerously low. Only a test of the

> >cells will get you your

> >true status; no guessing necessary.

> >

> >--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >

> > > >From: <kennio@...>

> > >

> > > >With all my magnesium taking I have never had a EXATEST or Red Blood

> >Cell

> > > >analysis that showed

> > > >anything but low to slightly low magnesium and normal if not slightly

> >high

> > > >calcium. I do not

> > > >supplement by just how I feel, I supplement by test results... the only

> >way

> > > >to figure out what is

> > > >going on.

> > > >

> > > >I believe that after the years of magnesium deficiency I am continuing

> >to

> > > >dissolve the calcium

> > > >deposits in my tissues. I don't supplement calcium at all. I know

> >some

> > > >say they can't tolerate

> > > >magnesium but only a test to determine status could determine whether

> >you

> > > >are sufficient or not.

> > > >I couldn't tolerate vit-c until now, it was obviously a combination of

> > > >things that needed to be

> > > >resolved, I consider it a breakthrough in my health. I think we are

> >all

> > > >here because of quirky

> > > >health problems and testing is our best plan of attack.

> > >

> > > I read a site that said that those with low cortisol tend to have too

> >high

> > > of magnesium levels. I think the scale on a blood test is 1.8 - 2.4.

> > >

> > > I had the doctor test our magnesium and Vitamin C. My magnesium was

> >2.4,

> > > which is top of the range. My wife's was 1.8, which is bottom of the

> > > range, and makes sense with high cortisol levels, as cortisol depletes

> > > magnesium. (You've also said you have high cortisol, so that would make

> > > sense for you.) OUr Vitamin C levels were also very low. My wife could

> > > only tolerate a small amount of Vitamin C. Maybe supplementing her

> > > magnesium changed that, because now she tolerates Vitamin C pretty well.

> > >

> > > I expect the blood levels demonstrate why I feel worse on magnesium.

> > > (Supposedly, the best test is a loading one, but with what I read in

> > > relation to cortisol, our tests made sense.) However, the adrenal

> > " experts "

> > > always want to put people on magnesium, and B vitamins, something else

> >that

> > > makes me feel worse.

> > >

> > > Maybe the magnesium helps you tolerate the Vitamin C too. Vitamin C

> >also

> > > helps to keep cortisol levels down. My wife's also on

> >phosphatidylserine to

> > > keep her cortisol down, and it helps her mentally quite a lot. HIgh

> > > cortisol is hard on brain function.

> > >

> > > Skipper

> > >

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>From: <kennio@...>

>If you have only had serum testing done you have no idea of your status. I

>get extremely fatigued

>also which is why I use it for before sleep. If I relied on my hunches,

>guesses and my doctors

>serum test results.. I would be the hopeless wreck I was 2 years ago;

>depressed, sleep deprived,

>reflux, palpitations - on heart medication with serious dehydration.

Yes, but you did have symptoms. Either they were recognized, or you had a

doctor who pushes magnesium and actually knew how to test for it.

The expert on magnesium you spoke with, probably recognized the symptoms.

Some of us got better with thyroid treatment in spite of our labs. Some of

us were denied hydrocortisone by one or more doctors, because they won't

recognize anything on the low side until one reaches 's Disease.

So, we develop a distrust of lab work.

Next labs (which will be a while), I'll ask my doctor for it. You could be

right.

>

>Everyone needs magnesium who has any stress going on whether physical or

>emotional.

Yes, and it's a compenent of chloryphyll. Which means not everyone benefits

from supplementing.

They

>understand this in France. I just got back from there and it is as popular

>there as Vit-C here.

>There are shelves of it in every form in the stores; powders, fizzy pills,

>gels...even magnesium

>water. The symptoms of excess are more to do with an imbalance with

>calcium.

That's something I've not heard before. But, for someone like you who's

getting lots of magnesium, how do you make sure you get enough calcium?

Since you say the serum test is no good, did you have one before you started

supplementing? Do you know if it would have worked for you if you had it

tested?

I don't really have any symptoms of magnesium deficiency. At least not that

I recognize.

's Disease (adrenals lower than mine) is one cause of magnesium

excess, though it is a rare problems.

I'm not on lithium, but it's interesting that can cause hypermagnesia.

I did have some calcium deposits when I was hypothyroid. I suspect they

would be gone now. Hypothyroidism can cause low or high magnesium as well

as calcium deposits.

http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/calcium.htm

" Low thyroid activity is associated with biounavailable calcium and calcium

deposition in the soft tissues. "

Your cod liver oil might also be getting rid of those calcium deposits -

http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/calcium.htm

" Vitamins A and D are important for calcium utilization and are commonly

deficient. Magnesium helps keep calcium in solution. "

Were you saying you get extremely fatigued from magnesium, and that's why

you take it before bed?

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Are you saying the RBC tests are worthless?

Thanks,

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--- <kennio@...> wrote:

> The test was suggested to me by Dr. Rude...

> one of the world's leading magnesium

> researchers. He is a researcher with USC Keck

> school of medicine here in Los Angeles. It is not

> my opinion on the efficacy of Red Blood Cell

> Analysis; I am just sharing my research.

>

> If you have only had serum testing done you have no

> idea of your status. I get extremely fatigued

> also which is why I use it for before sleep. If I

> relied on my hunches, guesses and my doctors

> serum test results.. I would be the hopeless wreck I

> was 2 years ago; depressed, sleep deprived,

> reflux, palpitations - on heart medication with

> serious dehydration.

>

> Everyone needs magnesium who has any stress going on

> whether physical or emotional. They

> understand this in France. I just got back from

> there and it is as popular there as Vit-C here.

> There are shelves of it in every form in the stores;

> powders, fizzy pills, gels...even magnesium

> water. The symptoms of excess are more to do with

> an imbalance with calcium.

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>,

>

>Are you saying the RBC tests are worthless?

He's saying the serum tests are worthless, and he may be right. Serum is

not the best test for many things.

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If you haven't noticed hypothyroid symptoms and magnesium symptoms are virtually

interchangable.

I tend to believe that the mag loss is what causes hypo symptoms or at least

exacerbates hypo

symptoms.

Somewhere during the year and a half of physical therapy for a neuromuscular

disorder, the torn

knee cartilage, the fatigue and depression and medicating my new found heart

disorder my

chiropractor gave me magnesium when I complained of dehydration. The physical

reaction to the

magnesium was dramatic and instantaneous. I supplemented like a crazy person

for 3 months and did

the EXATEST only to discover I was still severely deficient. It is very

difficult to cure a

severe magnesium deficiency; I had to have IV's. I had myself feeling very good

with just

magnesium, I just had to take it ALL the time. All my doctors at that time said

my TSH of 2.9 was

well within range...so I wasn't suspecting that at all.

Finally a doctor checked my TPO auto-antibodies and diagnosed me with

Hashimoto's. I have never

had health issues before the neuromuscular thing came up. I went to what I

thought were the best

doctors at UCLA and they were of no help...even telling me that my heart had

nothing to do with my

thyroid! When the magnesium issue made itself known, I went straight to the top

and found the

most knowledgeable.

I realize now I can not depend on one doctor alone. I test PH, body water, RBC,

Kidney, liver and

occasionally hair. When I start going out of whack... unhealthy PH and body

water are the first

signs. Extreme physical exertion is the cause of my hypo symptoms now but it's

getting better

every day. I am light years better than I was. The blood work (and now

urinalysis) test results

are my guide. That is why I am here... curing a deficiency and then I am on to

the next. They all

seem to have unique quirks... I am heading into my 5th month on Iodine alone!

I believe, like

Linus ing did, that all disease has it's roots in mineral deficiency.

I am watching calcium and as soon as I see a sign of deficiency in my tests I

will be all over it.

Natural Calm is 650mg of magnesium and everyone I have suggested it to takes

it at night because

of the sleep inducing effect. During the day I can take 100mg capsules in

divided doses and feel

fine with no fatigue.

I want off of thyroid hormone all together and that is my goal. Distrust some

doctors and their

interpretations of some of the lab work but in my opinion reliable labs are my

only way out of

this.

BTW, I ignored all the posts months ago when you all went on and on about the

magic of `sea

salt'... of all things. Well guess what? It is just what I needed! I have

more stable body

water and now I find lack of sodium is probably why I didn't absorb the iodine.

Never thought I

would be eating teaspoons of salt, that's for sure.

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: <kennio@...>

>

>

> >If you have only had serum testing done you have no idea of your status. I

> >get extremely fatigued

> >also which is why I use it for before sleep. If I relied on my hunches,

> >guesses and my doctors

> >serum test results.. I would be the hopeless wreck I was 2 years ago;

> >depressed, sleep deprived,

> >reflux, palpitations - on heart medication with serious dehydration.

>

> Yes, but you did have symptoms. Either they were recognized, or you had a

> doctor who pushes magnesium and actually knew how to test for it.

>

> The expert on magnesium you spoke with, probably recognized the symptoms.

>

> Some of us got better with thyroid treatment in spite of our labs. Some of

> us were denied hydrocortisone by one or more doctors, because they won't

> recognize anything on the low side until one reaches 's Disease.

>

> So, we develop a distrust of lab work.

>

> Next labs (which will be a while), I'll ask my doctor for it. You could be

> right.

>

> >

> >Everyone needs magnesium who has any stress going on whether physical or

> >emotional.

>

> Yes, and it's a compenent of chloryphyll. Which means not everyone benefits

> from supplementing.

>

>

> They

> >understand this in France. I just got back from there and it is as popular

> >there as Vit-C here.

> >There are shelves of it in every form in the stores; powders, fizzy pills,

> >gels...even magnesium

> >water. The symptoms of excess are more to do with an imbalance with

> >calcium.

>

> That's something I've not heard before. But, for someone like you who's

> getting lots of magnesium, how do you make sure you get enough calcium?

>

> Since you say the serum test is no good, did you have one before you started

> supplementing? Do you know if it would have worked for you if you had it

> tested?

>

> I don't really have any symptoms of magnesium deficiency. At least not that

> I recognize.

>

> 's Disease (adrenals lower than mine) is one cause of magnesium

> excess, though it is a rare problems.

>

> I'm not on lithium, but it's interesting that can cause hypermagnesia.

>

> I did have some calcium deposits when I was hypothyroid. I suspect they

> would be gone now. Hypothyroidism can cause low or high magnesium as well

> as calcium deposits.

>

> http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/calcium.htm

> " Low thyroid activity is associated with biounavailable calcium and calcium

> deposition in the soft tissues. "

>

> Your cod liver oil might also be getting rid of those calcium deposits -

>

> http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/calcium.htm

> " Vitamins A and D are important for calcium utilization and are commonly

> deficient. Magnesium helps keep calcium in solution. "

>

> Were you saying you get extremely fatigued from magnesium, and that's why

> you take it before bed?

>

> Skipper

>

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Compared to trying to determine your net worth, serum testing is like counting

how much change you

have in your pocket at any given moment and RBC analysis is like checking your

bank accounts and

real estate holdings.

--- Skipper Beers <lsb149@...> wrote:

> >From: Abbe <abbe_online@...>

>

> >,

> >

> >Are you saying the RBC tests are worthless?

>

> He's saying the serum tests are worthless, and he may be right. Serum is

> not the best test for many things.

>

> Skipper

>

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I, too, am a Magnesium afficienado.

I use Milk of Magnesia as my source for the past few years. I take between 1/2 and 1 tsp three to four times a day.

What a huge difference Mg has made to my body.

I also take a grain of Armour and licorice root.

In a message dated 9/7/2006 11:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, iodine writes:

I am watching calcium and as soon as I see a sign of deficiency in my tests I will be all over it.Natural Calm is 650mg of magnesium and everyone I have suggested it to takes it at night becauseof the sleep inducing effect. During the day I can take 100mg capsules in divided doses and feelfine with no fatigue.

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Last night, I just read from the book " Detoxify or Die " page 183....

" ...when they did order a magnesium test, it was the wrong test.

They ordered the less sensitive serum magnesuum. Less than 1% of the

body's magnesium is in the serum. The infinitely more useful test is

the RBC (red blood cell) magnesium. Do not settle for a serum assay. "

Suzanne

>

> >From: Abbe <abbe_online@...>

>

> >,

> >

> >Are you saying the RBC tests are worthless?

>

> He's saying the serum tests are worthless, and he may be right.

Serum is

> not the best test for many things.

>

> Skipper

>

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>From: <kennio@...>

>If you haven't noticed hypothyroid symptoms and magnesium symptoms are

>virtually interchangable.

>I tend to believe that the mag loss is what causes hypo symptoms or at

>least exacerbates hypo

>symptoms.

Hypothyroidism causes problems with absorption of vitamins and minerals in

general.

Thus, magnesium deficiency caused by hypothyroidism isn't a surprise,

and neither is a B-12 deficiency. Maybe these are caused by the low stomach

acid, which strangely tends to cause acid reflux.

I had myself feeling very good with just

>magnesium, I just had to take it ALL the time. All my doctors at that time

>said my TSH of 2.9 was

>well within range...so I wasn't suspecting that at all.

I don't have a link to the copy of the normal curve for TSH anymore, but

medican TSH is 1.5, and it skewed so the vast majority of people are right

around that area, I doubt if 2.9 would be within the first standard

deviation where 68% of the people fall

I don't have the link, and the curve is gone, but here are some interesting

facts from a large study (in Norway I think) where the intent was to look at

the tSH of those without thyroid problems -

<QUOTE>

The features of this result are:

* The distribution of TSH readings in the healthy population is skew. It

is not the common bell shaped curve centred in the middle of the reference

range.

* The most common value, or Mode, is at 1.25.

* The Median value is at 1.50. This means that half the population (50%)

have a TSH reading below 1.50.

* The average, or Mean, value is at 1.68. Over 60% of the population

have a TSH reading below this value.

* The centre of the Reference Range for the test kit used in the study

is 2.35. Almost 85% of the healthy population have a TSH reading below this

value.

* The 2.5 percentile point (ie the point which excludes the bottom 2.5%

of the population) is at 0.48. The 97.5 percentile point (ie the point which

excludes the top 2.5% of the population) is at 3.6. The range between the

2.5 and 97.5 percentile points (0.48 to 3.6) is much narrower than the test

kit’s Reference Range (0.2 TO 4.5).

* This narrowing of the range would suggest that the reference group

used to calibrate the test kit possibly included people with some level of

thyroid illness.

* This narrowing of the range between the 2.5 and 97.5 percentile points

would potentially have been even more pronounced if all samples had been

tested for Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies.

<UNQUOTE>

So, 85% have a TSH lower than 2.35, so at 2.9 you're TSH is probably higher

than 90% of the healthy population.

And, many doctors don't treat until it's 5.5, others not until it's over 10.

>I want off of thyroid hormone all together and that is my goal. Distrust

>some doctors and their

>interpretations of some of the lab work but in my opinion reliable labs are

>my only way out of

>this.

As a goal, I don't see that as a good one. Unless again, testing shows you

don't need it anymore.

With antibodies, they keep attacking the thyroid until it's in bad shape.

One of those mineral deficiencies could cause the antibodies, I suppose, in

which case it would make sense to stop thyroid treatment. But you won't

know that without testing again.

Thyroid hormone can also lower or eliminate the antibodies. I believe if a

doctor is treating the thyroid and the antibodies aren't going down, he

needs to consider options. Yet, most don't run antibody tests because they

say once someone is treated the level doesn't matter.

Hydrocortisone can in some cases lower or eliminate thyroid antibodies.

Also, if you have thyroid antibodies, it's possible you also have adrenal

antibodies.

>

>BTW, I ignored all the posts months ago when you all went on and on about

>the magic of `sea

>salt'... of all things. Well guess what? It is just what I needed! I

>have more stable body

>water and now I find lack of sodium is probably why I didn't absorb the

>iodine. Never thought I

>would be eating teaspoons of salt, that's for sure.

Salt being helpful surprises me a little as you've said you have high

cortisol. High cortisol pushes out potassium and magnesium and retains

sodium.

Of course, some recognize high cortisol as one of the first signs of adrenal

fatigue. My wife's has never gone down, it's always high and I don't think

she's going to have adrenal fatigue, but some people will follow their high

cortisol with burned out adrenals.

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Hi, you really need to check into magnesium. It is great for relaxing muscles

and helping with pain. If you take too much it will cause diarrhea. There are

over seven types of magnesium. Five kinds are mostly used. BUT, there is a

catch. Not all magnesiums will work for you. Your body, depending upon many

factors, will only benefit from one or two kinds of magnesium. If you take a

magnesium and it is not your type, it will give you no benefit. If you get the

right type, it should help you sleep at night. When I can't sleep, I get up and

take magnesium and I am usually asleep in short order. The kind of magnesium I

recommend is CALM. It tends to work for most people. It is a powder that you

mix with water. Another good one is from Nature's Life 500 mg with Vit B6.

This typically works for people because it has three different kinds in it. If

you have someone who can muscle test you at a health food store where they have

a lot of different kinds then you can

find out which one is best for you.

rasheedaas <rasheedaas@...> wrote: I've

been taking chelated manganese, just because I had some.

Looking at the sale I mentioned, I'm thinking of getting some more

magnesium. What they're selling is citrate magnesium.

Could someone tell me what is the difference, and which one you prefer

and why?

Something is helping my leg pain - I don't know if it is the Esberitox

or the SAM-e or the magnesium, but I think I'll just keep doing what

I'm doing!

thanks,

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Mag citrate was the worst for me causing diarrhea. After trying many,

many different kinds someone on LS suggested magnesium glycinate

chelated wouldn't produce that effect. I take a high dose with no

problems at all.

Ballady

>

> I've been taking chelated manganese, just because I had some.

> Looking at the sale I mentioned, I'm thinking of getting some more

> magnesium. What they're selling is citrate magnesium.

>

> Could someone tell me what is the difference, and which one you prefer

> and why?

>

> Something is helping my leg pain - I don't know if it is the Esberitox

> or the SAM-e or the magnesium, but I think I'll just keep doing what

> I'm doing!

>

> thanks,

> ellen

>

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I'm using transdermal magnesium oil. Just started about a month ago. It's

another way of absorbing it right into the tissues without having to worry about

whether it's properly absorbed through the digestive track. It's magnesium

chloride and is something like an oil in texture. You can just rub it on or soak

in the tub with a few tablespoons. I also intermittently take some oral

magnesium

Margie

rasheedaas <rasheedaas@...> wrote:

I've been taking chelated manganese, just because I had some.

Looking at the sale I mentioned, I'm thinking of getting some more

magnesium. What they're selling is citrate magnesium.

Could someone tell me what is the difference, and which one you prefer

and why?

Something is helping my leg pain - I don't know if it is the Esberitox

or the SAM-e or the magnesium, but I think I'll just keep doing what

I'm doing!

thanks,

ellen

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Ballady and Ellen , I also use mag glycinate. Others caused diareah. Also

suppose to be better absorbed. Namaste' Joyce

ballady4 <ballady4@...> wrote: Mag

citrate was the worst for me causing diarrhea. After trying many,

many different kinds someone on LS suggested magnesium glycinate

chelated wouldn't produce that effect. I take a high dose with no

problems at all.

Ballady

>

> I've been taking chelated manganese, just because I had some.

> Looking at the sale I mentioned, I'm thinking of getting some more

> magnesium. What they're selling is citrate magnesium.

>

> Could someone tell me what is the difference, and which one you prefer

> and why?

>

> Something is helping my leg pain - I don't know if it is the Esberitox

> or the SAM-e or the magnesium, but I think I'll just keep doing what

> I'm doing!

>

> thanks,

> ellen

>

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I haven't seen my reply come through. Anyway. There are seven different kinds

of magnesium. Not all will work for each individual person. It depends on your

system which one will work for you. I have gotten people on magnesium for years

and it always helps with pain, arthritis, etc. BUT, the important thing is that

you find out which one or may be two magnesiums are right for you. There are

over seven different kinds of magnesium and what works for me may not work for

you at all. You will know because the one what works for you will help with

pain and sleeping, PSM, depression, and a host of other things. Magnesium alone

is essential and responsible for 300 functions of the body. I've had a lady

tell me after giving her magnesium (in 20 minutes) that that was the first time

she was without pain in 4 years. I use either CALM or Nature's Life 500 mg with

Vit B6. Nature's Life has worked for everyone that I have recommended it to.

CALM is fast acting and others

swear by it. It is a powder. My aunt and a friend both got on it and my aunt

had broken her collar bone and had pain for months. One dose and the pain was

gone. Of course, she had to continue taking it. My friend complained to me

about arthritis and I recommended magnesium. He ordered CALM online and said

the arthritis was gone. Magnesium DOES HELP.

Sam

Marjorie Tietjen <daystar1952@...> wrote:

I'm using transdermal magnesium oil. Just started about a month ago. It's

another way of absorbing it right into the tissues without having to worry about

whether it's properly absorbed through the digestive track. It's magnesium

chloride and is something like an oil in texture. You can just rub it on or soak

in the tub with a few tablespoons. I also intermittently take some oral

magnesium

Margie