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Posted

Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with this

teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what has

been following.

To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

total T of 367 ng/dl and

Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning hours

so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7 Am)

and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so that

when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really high

normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some other

problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test becouse

my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he convences me

about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do not

for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I have one

specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and then

LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going to pay

out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me fellas

any insight to what I should do now also should I take zinc,magn..and

vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense what

he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this has

been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

Jack

Posted

Hi Jack

What I think your medic is saying is:

Keep taking the TRT . The dose is OK as the blood tests taking prior to you

applying the next dose are not deficient just low and so when you apply the

gel this will place your T levels as needed.

The seminal testing and pituitary hormones is for fertility and to ensure

your pituitary functions. Any decision to use HCG would follow only after

those tests and agreement between the 2 medics.

Remind us how long you have been taking Androgel.

Hope this helps?

_________________________________________

Randle

_________________________________________

Dr's refusal to HcG

> Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with this

> teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what has

> been following.

> To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

> total T of 367 ng/dl and

> Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

> and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

>

> insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning hours

> so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7 Am)

> and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so that

> when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really high

> normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some other

> problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test becouse

> my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he convences me

> about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do not

> for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I have one

> specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and then

> LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going to pay

> out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

> another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me fellas

> any insight to what I should do now also should I take zinc,magn..and

> vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense what

> he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

> blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this has

> been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

> Jack

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Posted

---Hey peter thanks Yes I know what he means but I want the upper

one third range of everything like most of you guys how could I

convens them. And FYI I have beeb on Androgel for the last five

years. I noticed that my LH and FSh has been gown down to zero now

does that mean I am sterile or something to that effect?

In , " Randle " <peter_randle@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Jack

>

> What I think your medic is saying is:

>

> Keep taking the TRT . The dose is OK as the blood tests taking

prior to you

> applying the next dose are not deficient just low and so when you

apply the

> gel this will place your T levels as needed.

>

> The seminal testing and pituitary hormones is for fertility and to

ensure

> your pituitary functions. Any decision to use HCG would follow

only after

> those tests and agreement between the 2 medics.

>

> Remind us how long you have been taking Androgel.

>

> Hope this helps?

>

>

> _________________________________________

> Randle

> _________________________________________

> Dr's refusal to HcG

>

>

> > Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with

this

> > teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what

has

> > been following.

> > To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

> > total T of 367 ng/dl and

> > Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

> > and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

> >

> > insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning

hours

> > so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7

Am)

> > and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so

that

> > when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really

high

> > normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some

other

> > problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test

becouse

> > my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he

convences me

> > about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do

not

> > for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I

have one

> > specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and

then

> > LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going

to pay

> > out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

> > another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me

fellas

> > any insight to what I should do now also should I take

zinc,magn..and

> > vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense

what

> > he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

> > blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this

has

> > been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

> > Jack

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Posted

I.m right in the middle of your situation, I've been on androgel for

about 2 years and I asked my doctor about the my testicular shrinkage, and I

asked him wouldn't hcg bring them back. He said he wouldn't prescribe

anything because my hmo wouldn't pay for it unless I needed sperm to make a

baby ( I'm 56). I asked him if he would give me a prescription and I'd buy

my own, and he just wasn't interested and just shook his head no. So now I'm

on my own so I'll either go to Mexico, about 130 miles south of me and get

my own hcg and possibly dostinex or both, trying to figure out what I need.

I,m also on hgh because I had 2 very low IGF-1 tests (60 on a scale of

90-360) and a growth hormone stimulation test I failed.

>From: " Randle " <peter_randle@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: Dr's refusal to HcG

>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 04:04:11 -0000

>

>Hi Jack

>

>What I think your medic is saying is:

>

>Keep taking the TRT . The dose is OK as the blood tests taking prior to you

>applying the next dose are not deficient just low and so when you apply the

>gel this will place your T levels as needed.

>

>The seminal testing and pituitary hormones is for fertility and to ensure

>your pituitary functions. Any decision to use HCG would follow only after

>those tests and agreement between the 2 medics.

>

>Remind us how long you have been taking Androgel.

>

>Hope this helps?

>

>

>_________________________________________

> Randle

>_________________________________________

> Dr's refusal to HcG

>

>

> > Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with this

> > teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what has

> > been following.

> > To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

> > total T of 367 ng/dl and

> > Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

> > and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

> >

> > insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning hours

> > so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7 Am)

> > and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so that

> > when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really high

> > normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some other

> > problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test becouse

> > my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he convences me

> > about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do not

> > for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I have one

> > specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and then

> > LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going to pay

> > out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

> > another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me fellas

> > any insight to what I should do now also should I take zinc,magn..and

> > vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense what

> > he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

> > blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this has

> > been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

> > Jack

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Posted

Jack I never had good luck with Endo's I don't even want to get started talking

about them. To me they just are not good at treating low T. I was told the

same thing my lab is not good the Endo wants me to use the lab he use's. I

would have to pay for it my plain would not cover his lab and the reasion for

this was he owned the dam lab and was just tring to make more money. All I can

say is you need to find a Dr. that is good a treating men with low T. We all go

through this you need to call Dr.'s and ask if they treat a lot of men for Low T

and if they check for high E2 Estradiol. Also ask if one is Secondary do they

use HCG to treat them. Also ask if they use Arimidex to keep E2 down. You will

know if you have found a good Dr. One more thing a lot of guys I talk to at

MESO there family Dr.'s work with Dr. over the phone. He said in a post

that he has never got an Endo to work with him yet he trains Dr.'s on how to

test and treat low T. Post where you live and maybe

someone knows a good Dr.

Phil

Jack <myhormonez@...> wrote:

Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with this

teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what has

been following.

To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

total T of 367 ng/dl and

Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning hours

so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7 Am)

and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so that

when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really high

normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some other

problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test becouse

my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he convences me

about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do not

for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I have one

specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and then

LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going to pay

out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me fellas

any insight to what I should do now also should I take zinc,magn..and

vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense what

he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this has

been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

Jack

Posted

I was on Androgel from the day it came out and my Dr. told me the rep said

to test before putting on the gel it stays just under the skin and puts T into

the blood for 24 hrs. before going down. If one tests after putting on the gel

it will spick the test and not give a good result. I had my results come back

over 1800 putting on the gel first. One 5g tube of Androgel did not get my

levels up high enough hell 10 g only got me to 600 still to low for me. A lot

of men doing the gels with HCG have good levels with low E2. Jacks levels are

not high enough and he has been on it a long time.

Phil

Randle <peter_randle@...> wrote:

Hi Jack

What I think your medic is saying is:

Keep taking the TRT . The dose is OK as the blood tests taking prior to you

applying the next dose are not deficient just low and so when you apply the

gel this will place your T levels as needed.

The seminal testing and pituitary hormones is for fertility and to ensure

your pituitary functions. Any decision to use HCG would follow only after

those tests and agreement between the 2 medics.

Remind us how long you have been taking Androgel.

Hope this helps?

_________________________________________

Randle

_________________________________________

Dr's refusal to HcG

> Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with this

> teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what has

> been following.

> To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

> total T of 367 ng/dl and

> Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

> and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

>

> insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning hours

> so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7 Am)

> and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so that

> when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really high

> normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some other

> problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test becouse

> my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he convences me

> about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do not

> for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I have one

> specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and then

> LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going to pay

> out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

> another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me fellas

> any insight to what I should do now also should I take zinc,magn..and

> vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense what

> he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

> blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this has

> been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

> Jack

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Posted

Jack it means your testis are not making T anymore as for sterile I don't know

Dr. has men on Gels and HCG and one stopped the gels to get his wife

pregnant and it worked he has a lot of men on TRT that are getting there wifes

pregnant.

Phil

Jack <myhormonez@...> wrote:

---Hey peter thanks Yes I know what he means but I want the upper

one third range of everything like most of you guys how could I

convens them. And FYI I have beeb on Androgel for the last five

years. I noticed that my LH and FSh has been gown down to zero now

does that mean I am sterile or something to that effect?

In , " Randle "

wrote:

>

> Hi Jack

>

> What I think your medic is saying is:

>

> Keep taking the TRT . The dose is OK as the blood tests taking

prior to you

> applying the next dose are not deficient just low and so when you

apply the

> gel this will place your T levels as needed.

>

> The seminal testing and pituitary hormones is for fertility and to

ensure

> your pituitary functions. Any decision to use HCG would follow

only after

> those tests and agreement between the 2 medics.

>

> Remind us how long you have been taking Androgel.

>

> Hope this helps?

>

>

> _________________________________________

> Randle

> _________________________________________

> Dr's refusal to HcG

>

>

> > Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with

this

> > teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what

has

> > been following.

> > To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

> > total T of 367 ng/dl and

> > Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

> > and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

> >

> > insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning

hours

> > so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7

Am)

> > and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so

that

> > when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really

high

> > normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some

other

> > problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test

becouse

> > my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he

convences me

> > about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do

not

> > for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I

have one

> > specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and

then

> > LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going

to pay

> > out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

> > another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me

fellas

> > any insight to what I should do now also should I take

zinc,magn..and

> > vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense

what

> > he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

> > blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this

has

> > been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

> > Jack

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

Posted

Larry try getting your Dr. to work with Dr. over the phone doing this will

get you what you need if he will not do this ask Dr. if he knows a Dr. in

your area that will work with him. Good luck bring back HCG from Mexico don't

get busted.

www.allthingsmale.com

Phil

Larry <desertroads@...> wrote:

I.m right in the middle of your situation, I've been on androgel for

about 2 years and I asked my doctor about the my testicular shrinkage, and I

asked him wouldn't hcg bring them back. He said he wouldn't prescribe

anything because my hmo wouldn't pay for it unless I needed sperm to make a

baby ( I'm 56). I asked him if he would give me a prescription and I'd buy

my own, and he just wasn't interested and just shook his head no. So now I'm

on my own so I'll either go to Mexico, about 130 miles south of me and get

my own hcg and possibly dostinex or both, trying to figure out what I need.

I,m also on hgh because I had 2 very low IGF-1 tests (60 on a scale of

90-360) and a growth hormone stimulation test I failed.

>From: " Randle "

>Reply-

>To:

>Subject: Re: Dr's refusal to HcG

>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 04:04:11 -0000

>

>Hi Jack

>

>What I think your medic is saying is:

>

>Keep taking the TRT . The dose is OK as the blood tests taking prior to you

>applying the next dose are not deficient just low and so when you apply the

>gel this will place your T levels as needed.

>

>The seminal testing and pituitary hormones is for fertility and to ensure

>your pituitary functions. Any decision to use HCG would follow only after

>those tests and agreement between the 2 medics.

>

>Remind us how long you have been taking Androgel.

>

>Hope this helps?

>

>

>_________________________________________

> Randle

>_________________________________________

> Dr's refusal to HcG

>

>

> > Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with this

> > teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what has

> > been following.

> > To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

> > total T of 367 ng/dl and

> > Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

> > and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

> >

> > insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning hours

> > so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7 Am)

> > and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so that

> > when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really high

> > normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some other

> > problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test becouse

> > my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he convences me

> > about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do not

> > for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I have one

> > specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and then

> > LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going to pay

> > out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

> > another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me fellas

> > any insight to what I should do now also should I take zinc,magn..and

> > vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense what

> > he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

> > blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this has

> > been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

> > Jack

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

Posted

Hi Phil & Jack

Yes Phil, I agree. I did not write or certainly did not intend to write

anything different. What I said was the blood test will show a lower nadir

level as the daily dose has not been taken at the time of the blood test

which is the correct way with Gel, injection or any other form of TRT.

As to the rest of my response to Jack I was not sure how long he had been

using Androgel and so assumed it was recent for the sake of a reply. As he

is seeing another specialist soon for more tests including pituitary

hormones then it may well be his consultants are thinking of other

combinations.

As to increasing the Androgel are you not on injections now? Like me I did

not respond to Gels but I think there is a upper limit unlike shots for TRT.

If Jack needs £ or more sachets perhaps he would be better with shots? Just

a thought.

For my own part I am waiting for latest blood test results after Nebido and

wondering if I might need something for E2 or ?

Take care

Dr's refusal to HcG

>

>

>> Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with this

>> teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what has

>> been following.

>> To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

>> total T of 367 ng/dl and

>> Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

>> and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

>>

>> insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning hours

>> so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7 Am)

>> and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so that

>> when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really high

>> normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some other

>> problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test becouse

>> my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he convences me

>> about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do not

>> for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I have one

>> specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and then

>> LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going to pay

>> out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

>> another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me fellas

>> any insight to what I should do now also should I take zinc,magn..and

>> vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense what

>> he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

>> blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this has

>> been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

>> Jack

>>

>>

>>

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>>

>>

Posted

How is the Nibido working for you. did not do very will have you talked

to him at the UK group.

Phil

Randle <peter_randle@...> wrote:

Hi Phil & Jack

Yes Phil, I agree. I did not write or certainly did not intend to write

anything different. What I said was the blood test will show a lower nadir

level as the daily dose has not been taken at the time of the blood test

which is the correct way with Gel, injection or any other form of TRT.

As to the rest of my response to Jack I was not sure how long he had been

using Androgel and so assumed it was recent for the sake of a reply. As he

is seeing another specialist soon for more tests including pituitary

hormones then it may well be his consultants are thinking of other

combinations.

As to increasing the Androgel are you not on injections now? Like me I did

not respond to Gels but I think there is a upper limit unlike shots for TRT.

If Jack needs £ or more sachets perhaps he would be better with shots? Just

a thought.

For my own part I am waiting for latest blood test results after Nebido and

wondering if I might need something for E2 or ?

Take care

Dr's refusal to HcG

>

>

>> Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with this

>> teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what has

>> been following.

>> To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

>> total T of 367 ng/dl and

>> Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

>> and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

>>

>> insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning hours

>> so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7 Am)

>> and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so that

>> when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really high

>> normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some other

>> problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test becouse

>> my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he convences me

>> about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do not

>> for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I have one

>> specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and then

>> LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going to pay

>> out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

>> another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me fellas

>> any insight to what I should do now also should I take zinc,magn..and

>> vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense what

>> he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

>> blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this has

>> been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

>> Jack

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Posted

Hi Phil

Yes, and I are in contact also direct email. This was my first shot

of Nebido. I certainly have not felt as if the Testosterone level as

constant during the first few weeks. I will ask the secretary for my blood

test results taken 2 weeks ago. I was too ill to travel to the hospital last

Monday to get the results from the prof. However, 10 years ago it took more

than one shot to restart and rebalance my hormones and so I am more

concerned to see progress than " miracle over night success " !

My T level was 6.1nmol/L prior to starting Nebido so I will be interested to

read my results when I get them.

How is your virus illness?

Here in the UK there has been a spate of chest infections since November

affecting people quite badly.

Take care

_________________________________________

Randle

_________________________________________

Dr's refusal to HcG

>

>

>> Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with this

>> teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what has

>> been following.

>> To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

>> total T of 367 ng/dl and

>> Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

>> and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

>>

>> insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning hours

>> so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7 Am)

>> and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so that

>> when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really high

>> normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some other

>> problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test becouse

>> my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he convences me

>> about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do not

>> for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I have one

>> specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and then

>> LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going to pay

>> out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

>> another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me fellas

>> any insight to what I should do now also should I take zinc,magn..and

>> vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense what

>> he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

>> blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this has

>> been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

>> Jack

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

Posted

Hi Jack

I have included a response in an email to Phil and you - However, just a

quick response here.

Obviously we all want to get the best sort of results for our own situation.

However, on the gels once you are at the 2 sachets per day level you MAY

need to consider other treatments like injections which I think both Phil

and I are doing. I tried 2 sachets of Gel (Testogel) for months and just had

to return to shots.

Hope this helps?

Good luck with the fertility endocrinologist.

_________________________________________

Randle

_________________________________________

Dr's refusal to HcG

>>

>>

>> > Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with

> this

>> > teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what

> has

>> > been following.

>> > To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

>> > total T of 367 ng/dl and

>> > Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

>> > and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

>> >

>> > insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning

> hours

>> > so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7

> Am)

>> > and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so

> that

>> > when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really

> high

>> > normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some

> other

>> > problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test

> becouse

>> > my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he

> convences me

>> > about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do

> not

>> > for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I

> have one

>> > specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and

> then

>> > LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going

> to pay

>> > out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

>> > another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me

> fellas

>> > any insight to what I should do now also should I take

> zinc,magn..and

>> > vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense

> what

>> > he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

>> > blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this

> has

>> > been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

>> > Jack

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

Posted

Is his name Phil like mine anyway I hope it works out for you for it

drove up his E2. I am still on my butt with this dam infection I am hoping

after this bout my Dr. will put me on HGH to help my low Immune system. I can't

keep taking Antibiotics like this I am on the 4th refill.

Phil

Randle <peter_randle@...> wrote:

Hi Phil

Yes, and I are in contact also direct email. This was my first shot

of Nebido. I certainly have not felt as if the Testosterone level as

constant during the first few weeks. I will ask the secretary for my blood

test results taken 2 weeks ago. I was too ill to travel to the hospital last

Monday to get the results from the prof. However, 10 years ago it took more

than one shot to restart and rebalance my hormones and so I am more

concerned to see progress than " miracle over night success " !

My T level was 6.1nmol/L prior to starting Nebido so I will be interested to

read my results when I get them.

How is your virus illness?

Here in the UK there has been a spate of chest infections since November

affecting people quite badly.

Take care

_________________________________________

Randle

_________________________________________

Dr's refusal to HcG

>

>

>> Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with this

>> teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what has

>> been following.

>> To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

>> total T of 367 ng/dl and

>> Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

>> and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

>>

>> insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning hours

>> so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7 Am)

>> and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so that

>> when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really high

>> normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some other

>> problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test becouse

>> my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he convences me

>> about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do not

>> for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I have one

>> specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and then

>> LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going to pay

>> out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

>> another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me fellas

>> any insight to what I should do now also should I take zinc,magn..and

>> vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense what

>> he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

>> blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this has

>> been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

>> Jack

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

Posted

Hi Phil

Yes his uses because when he joined there was you - already a

Phil!!!!! We are at the same hospital and so monitoring things.

May I also suggest you ensure you are not moving to Diabetic. Our immune

systems are low with such illnesses but when I suddenly needed repeated

antibiotics it turned out to be a symptom of Diabetes. As soon as I took

Metformin I could reduce the use of antibiotics as well as some of the other

symptoms subsiding. Diabetes can cause a lot of infections.

How is your wife now? When she went to hospital and reported those symptoms

pain into the arms etc I said I had similar symptoms. The MRi has shown my

neck (cervical spine) is crushing my nerve bundle and so I need surgery to

release the nerves otherwise I will lose use of my arms and hands.

_________________________________________

Randle

_________________________________________

Dr's refusal to HcG

>

>

>> Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with this

>> teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what has

>> been following.

>> To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

>> total T of 367 ng/dl and

>> Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

>> and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

>>

>> insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning hours

>> so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7 Am)

>> and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so that

>> when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really high

>> normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some other

>> problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test becouse

>> my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he convences me

>> about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do not

>> for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I have one

>> specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and then

>> LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going to pay

>> out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

>> another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me fellas

>> any insight to what I should do now also should I take zinc,magn..and

>> vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense what

>> he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

>> blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this has

>> been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

>> Jack

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

Posted

My sugar is fine my Dr. tests the who nine yard every 6 weeks my IGF-1 is on the

low side and I feel it is what is wrong with my immune system. Thanks my wife

is fine it was an increase in her Thyroid meds she when hyper and her nervous

system went crazy.

Phil

Randle <peter_randle@...> wrote:

Hi Phil

Yes his uses because when he joined there was you - already a

Phil!!!!! We are at the same hospital and so monitoring things.

May I also suggest you ensure you are not moving to Diabetic. Our immune

systems are low with such illnesses but when I suddenly needed repeated

antibiotics it turned out to be a symptom of Diabetes. As soon as I took

Metformin I could reduce the use of antibiotics as well as some of the other

symptoms subsiding. Diabetes can cause a lot of infections.

How is your wife now? When she went to hospital and reported those symptoms

pain into the arms etc I said I had similar symptoms. The MRi has shown my

neck (cervical spine) is crushing my nerve bundle and so I need surgery to

release the nerves otherwise I will lose use of my arms and hands.

_________________________________________

Randle

_________________________________________

Dr's refusal to HcG

>

>

>> Hey ppl I am really frustrated not getting proper treatment with this

>> teaching hospital Endos. Well let me give you the intro and what has

>> been following.

>> To begin with I am in my early 40's with a

>> total T of 367 ng/dl and

>> Testestorone % FREE at 1.27 range is 1.1 - 2.8

>> and Testosterone FREE 46.5 pg/ml range is 35.0 to 155.0

>>

>> insummary he said this results were taken in the early morning hours

>> so that means at the end of my last dose (I put androgel 5g at 7 Am)

>> and the blood was taken at 8Am that day before I put androgel so that

>> when I put the gel he said if I tested then it will be really high

>> normal so you don't have to worry about anything except for some other

>> problem and said is mild he would like to do bone density test becouse

>> my calcium is a little elevated did some urine test so he convences me

>> about the need for Testosterone as for HCG he said no no can Do not

>> for size or any need at this time. So six month he said but I have one

>> specialist he refer me to wants me to do semenanalysis first and then

>> LH,FSH.Test and E2 so next will be going to him but I am going to pay

>> out my packet becouse the lab I go to he does not like (he refers

>> another one)thinks does better reading.so what do you advise me fellas

>> any insight to what I should do now also should I take zinc,magn..and

>> vitamin C .Well sorry for the long letter but does it make sense what

>> he is talking about are't you guys doing the same I mean take the

>> blood test before your next cycle ?? please let me know as this has

>> been bothering me. Thanks inadvance.

>> Jack

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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