Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 --- Hi how long have you been on TRT ? Have you had a test to see if you have a bacterial infection in your skin? because it sounds like what you are describing. You also might have a skin condition of some sort as well. I would recommend seeing a dermatologist. Manraj In , " thombow " <thombow@...> wrote: > > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY red. > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell count > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting TRT. > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels like > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > recent tests > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > free T 18.9 (10-55) > E2 11 (0-76) > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > thyroid numbers look ok > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > Free T3 391 range? > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for a > few months with no change. > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT has > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > thanks > > thom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 I have this same problem and my Dr. told me to get some Black Cohosh. Works great. Phil thombow <thombow@...> wrote: For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY red. Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell count but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting TRT. Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels like I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. recent tests total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing free T 18.9 (10-55) E2 11 (0-76) HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count thyroid numbers look ok TSH 1.6 (.3-5) Free T3 391 range? Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for a few months with no change. Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT has long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. thanks thom --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 Sounds like a reaction to something. How are you administering the testosterone. If its a cream or Androgel, I wonder if it something other that the T thats giving you a reaction. I also wonder about that iodine suppliment. I know people who have reactions to seafood and thats iodine based. Does the timing of the redness correspond to taking the iodine (or the T) or was it at a different time? Rich > > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY red. > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell count > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting TRT. > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels like > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > recent tests > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > free T 18.9 (10-55) > E2 11 (0-76) > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > thyroid numbers look ok > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > Free T3 391 range? > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for a > few months with no change. > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT has > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > thanks > > thom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2006 Report Share Posted November 24, 2006 On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:46:51 -0000, you wrote: >For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. >Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY red. >Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I >exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of >whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell count >but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting TRT. >Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) >to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels like >I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. >Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > >recent tests > >total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing >free T 18.9 (10-55) >E2 11 (0-76) >HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count An E2 of 11 is too low in my opinion. Are you taking arimidex or Dimm to block it's conversion? Your symptoms sound like those of a menopausal woman when their E2 levels drop too low. > >thyroid numbers look ok >TSH 1.6 (.3-5) >Free T3 391 range? >Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > >Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 >which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate >hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for a >few months with no change. > >Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT has >long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > >thanks > >thom ________________ " You never need an argument against the use of violence, you need an argument for it. " Noam Chomsky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Is there any chance you are taking the vitamin niacin in large doses? In the past, I took fairly large doses of niacin in the past and I'd have episodes of flushing rather like what you've described. Have you tried an antihistamine' when you have an episode? Are you having any hives? > > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY red. > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell count > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting TRT. > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels like > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > recent tests > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > free T 18.9 (10-55) > E2 11 (0-76) > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > thyroid numbers look ok > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > Free T3 391 range? > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for a > few months with no change. > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT has > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > thanks > > thom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 I was going to say the same thing that your E2 on the fac of it appears to be too low and that would cause flushing. > > >For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > >Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY red. > >Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > >exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > >whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell count > >but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting TRT. > >Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) > >to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels like > >I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. > >Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > > >recent tests > > > >total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > >free T 18.9 (10-55) > >E2 11 (0-76) > >HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > An E2 of 11 is too low in my opinion. Are you taking arimidex or Dimm > to block it's conversion? Your symptoms sound like those of a > menopausal woman when their E2 levels drop too low. > > > >thyroid numbers look ok > >TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > >Free T3 391 range? > >Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > >Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > >which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > >hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for a > >few months with no change. > > > >Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT has > >long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > >thanks > > > >thom > > > ________________ > " You never need an argument against the use of violence, you need an > argument for it. " Noam Chomsky > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 there's no infection on the skin, it justs red. i use a topical cream, apply to ceter of chest. on a second source but still red skin. i don't think there's a relationship between the iodine and T. Have eaten seafood all my life, no reactions or allergies to anything. not taking niacin. haven't tried antihistamine. is that something that can be taken long term? E2 has been 50 too, no difference. yes am on arimedex. i will try the black cohosh. thanks > > > > >For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > > >Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > red. > > >Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > >exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > > >whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > count > > >but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting > TRT. > > >Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now > anyway) > > >to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > like > > >I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take > it. > > >Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > > > > > >recent tests > > > > > >total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > > >free T 18.9 (10-55) > > >E2 11 (0-76) > > >HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > An E2 of 11 is too low in my opinion. Are you taking arimidex or > Dimm > > to block it's conversion? Your symptoms sound like those of a > > menopausal woman when their E2 levels drop too low. > > > > > >thyroid numbers look ok > > >TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > >Free T3 391 range? > > >Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > > >Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > > >which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > >hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol > for a > > >few months with no change. > > > > > >Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT > has > > >long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > > >thanks > > > > > >thom > > > > > > ________________ > > " You never need an argument against the use of violence, you need > an > > argument for it. " Noam Chomsky > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Wate is your E2 11 or 50 if 50 your way to high. Phil thombow <thombow@...> wrote: there's no infection on the skin, it justs red. i use a topical cream, apply to ceter of chest. on a second source but still red skin. i don't think there's a relationship between the iodine and T. Have eaten seafood all my life, no reactions or allergies to anything. not taking niacin. haven't tried antihistamine. is that something that can be taken long term? E2 has been 50 too, no difference. yes am on arimedex. i will try the black cohosh. thanks > > > > >For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > > >Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > red. > > >Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > >exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > > >whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > count > > >but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting > TRT. > > >Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now > anyway) > > >to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > like > > >I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take > it. > > >Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > > > > > >recent tests > > > > > >total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > > >free T 18.9 (10-55) > > >E2 11 (0-76) > > >HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > An E2 of 11 is too low in my opinion. Are you taking arimidex or > Dimm > > to block it's conversion? Your symptoms sound like those of a > > menopausal woman when their E2 levels drop too low. > > > > > >thyroid numbers look ok > > >TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > >Free T3 391 range? > > >Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > > >Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > > >which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > >hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol > for a > > >few months with no change. > > > > > >Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT > has > > >long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > > >thanks > > > > > >thom > > > > > > ________________ > > " You never need an argument against the use of violence, you need > an > > argument for it. " Noam Chomsky > > > --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 i've had the flushing when the e2 was 50 and now when it's 11. it can't be the e2 as that's been all over the map. phil, i read the black cohosh is used by women to regulate estrogen. i don't think i need any estrogen regulation, but at this point i;ll try anything. says not to take it more than 6 months. how long did you take it, what dose? and it ended your flushing? thom > > > > > > >For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > > > >Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > > red. > > > >Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > > >exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out > of > > > >whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > > count > > > >but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting > > TRT. > > > >Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now > > anyway) > > > >to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > > like > > > >I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take > > it. > > > >Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > > > > > > > > >recent tests > > > > > > > >total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > > > >free T 18.9 (10-55) > > > >E2 11 (0-76) > > > >HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > > > An E2 of 11 is too low in my opinion. Are you taking arimidex or > > Dimm > > > to block it's conversion? Your symptoms sound like those of a > > > menopausal woman when their E2 levels drop too low. > > > > > > > >thyroid numbers look ok > > > >TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > > >Free T3 391 range? > > > >Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > > > > >Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > > > >which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > > >hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol > > for a > > > >few months with no change. > > > > > > > >Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting > TRT > > has > > > >long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > > > > >thanks > > > > > > > >thom > > > > > > > > > ________________ > > > " You never need an argument against the use of violence, you need > > an > > > argument for it. " Noam Chomsky > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 I take it for about a week at a time just started on it been feeling very hot and looking red I don't have this constantly. And it is E2 and Total E's that does this both low and high levels. You like me very sensitive to E2 and E's If I let my E2 go to high I break out in rashs on my legs and side of my chest. I have a gauge I use to keep this down when on Arimidex. When my E2 is good I call this the zone I get very hard morning wood. I can tell if I am going to low because this stops so I stop the Arimidex when the wood comes back I go back on it that day you see E2 goes up and down fast. When I go back on it I will take less. So between this and blood work I manage to keep my E2 in the zone. I find most men do good at .25 mgs every 3 days. I make more E2 so I do .5 mgs every otherday. Phil thombow <thombow@...> wrote: i've had the flushing when the e2 was 50 and now when it's 11. it can't be the e2 as that's been all over the map. phil, i read the black cohosh is used by women to regulate estrogen. i don't think i need any estrogen regulation, but at this point i;ll try anything. says not to take it more than 6 months. how long did you take it, what dose? and it ended your flushing? thom > > > > > > >For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > > > >Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > > red. > > > >Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > > >exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out > of > > > >whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > > count > > > >but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting > > TRT. > > > >Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now > > anyway) > > > >to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > > like > > > >I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take > > it. > > > >Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > > > > > > > > >recent tests > > > > > > > >total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > > > >free T 18.9 (10-55) > > > >E2 11 (0-76) > > > >HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > > > An E2 of 11 is too low in my opinion. Are you taking arimidex or > > Dimm > > > to block it's conversion? Your symptoms sound like those of a > > > menopausal woman when their E2 levels drop too low. > > > > > > > >thyroid numbers look ok > > > >TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > > >Free T3 391 range? > > > >Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > > > > >Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > > > >which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > > >hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol > > for a > > > >few months with no change. > > > > > > > >Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting > TRT > > has > > > >long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > > > > >thanks > > > > > > > >thom > > > > > > > > > ________________ > > > " You never need an argument against the use of violence, you need > > an > > > argument for it. " Noam Chomsky > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Hi, The cream has to have a solvent that combines with the T so it can get thru the skin. Some of these carriers can be irritating to the skin. I participated in a study which was supposed to carry a prostaglandine (PGE) thru the skin to cause an erection. It worked poorly but on my way home an hour later my eyes began to itch terribly and lasted for several hours. Just guessing and wonder if you have tried related products using different chemical carriers? ernestnolan > > > > > > >For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > > > >Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > > red. > > > >Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > > >exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out > of > > > >whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > > count > > > >but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting > > TRT. > > > >Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now > > anyway) > > > >to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > > like > > > >I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take > > it. > > > >Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > > > > > > > > >recent tests > > > > > > > >total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > > > >free T 18.9 (10-55) > > > >E2 11 (0-76) > > > >HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > > > An E2 of 11 is too low in my opinion. Are you taking arimidex or > > Dimm > > > to block it's conversion? Your symptoms sound like those of a > > > menopausal woman when their E2 levels drop too low. > > > > > > > >thyroid numbers look ok > > > >TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > > >Free T3 391 range? > > > >Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > > > > >Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > > > >which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > > >hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol > > for a > > > >few months with no change. > > > > > > > >Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting > TRT > > has > > > >long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > > > > >thanks > > > > > > > >thom > > > > > > > > > ________________ > > > " You never need an argument against the use of violence, you need > > an > > > argument for it. " Noam Chomsky > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 Hey Thom - I was a routine blood donor (every 2 months) then I noticed I couldn't catch my breath when I went for a run. Went to the Doc and found I was anemic. Gave me Iron and told me to lay off the blood donation. I did this and my condition improved. Then I found out I was low on T. When I started doing shots, same thing - red face, hot all the time. I read about the side affect of increased red blood cells so I started donating again every 2 months. Redness and the flashes went away. I also started taking arimidex about that time so a lower E2 could have had something to do with it. My advice is quitting TRT is the wrong thing to do. Have you tried donating blood. I would try this and use of arimidex first. My 2 cents - Arkansas thombow <thombow@...> wrote: For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY red. Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell count but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting TRT. Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels like I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. recent tests total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing free T 18.9 (10-55) E2 11 (0-76) HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count thyroid numbers look ok TSH 1.6 (.3-5) Free T3 391 range? Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for a few months with no change. Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT has long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. thanks thom --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 But i don't have a high blood cell count. Hematocrit is 45 (40-54) i do take arimidex. Do you think I should give blood anyway with a normal red blood count? Did you know for sure that your count was high before you resumed donating blood? thom > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY red. > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell count > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting TRT. > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels like > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > recent tests > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > free T 18.9 (10-55) > E2 11 (0-76) > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > thyroid numbers look ok > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > Free T3 391 range? > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for a > few months with no change. > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT has > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > thanks > > thom > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 A very low E2 and a very high E2 can cause flushing and the symptoms you have mentioned and the two E2 blood results you have posted have both been too high and too low. Now if you are saying you get the flushing when your E2 is 22 say then that would be different. > > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the > time. > > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > red. > > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > count > > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting > TRT. > > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) > > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > like > > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. > > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > recent tests > > > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > > free T 18.9 (10-55) > > E2 11 (0-76) > > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > thyroid numbers look ok > > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > Free T3 391 range? > > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for > a > > few months with no change. > > > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT > has > > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > thanks > > > > thom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 One thing about Hematocrit is if your not drinking enough water before the test it will come back high and it's not. Phil thombow <thombow@...> wrote: But i don't have a high blood cell count. Hematocrit is 45 (40-54) i do take arimidex. Do you think I should give blood anyway with a normal red blood count? Did you know for sure that your count was high before you resumed donating blood? thom > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY red. > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell count > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting TRT. > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels like > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > recent tests > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > free T 18.9 (10-55) > E2 11 (0-76) > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > thyroid numbers look ok > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > Free T3 391 range? > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for a > few months with no change. > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT has > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > thanks > > thom > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Mine ran ~ 45 also. I would try. The worst thing that could happen would be it would have no affect but you will still be helping someone with the donation. Sounds like a win-win to me. Arkansas thombow <thombow@...> wrote: But i don't have a high blood cell count. Hematocrit is 45 (40-54) i do take arimidex. Do you think I should give blood anyway with a normal red blood count? Did you know for sure that your count was high before you resumed donating blood? thom > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY red. > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell count > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting TRT. > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels like > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > recent tests > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > free T 18.9 (10-55) > E2 11 (0-76) > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > thyroid numbers look ok > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > Free T3 391 range? > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for a > few months with no change. > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT has > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > thanks > > thom > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 I went through my records. Since I've only been getting tested 2 times a year there's not much to go on. Prior to this flushing I had E2's of 52,60,43,13 and 85. After flushing started 23,60 and 11. Don't think it's an estrogen problem. Started the black cohosh anyway, we'll see if it does anything. > > > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all > the > > time. > > > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > > red. > > > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > > > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > > count > > > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting > > TRT. > > > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now > anyway) > > > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > > like > > > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take > it. > > > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > > > recent tests > > > > > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > > > free T 18.9 (10-55) > > > E2 11 (0-76) > > > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > > > thyroid numbers look ok > > > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > > Free T3 391 range? > > > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > > > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol > for > > a > > > few months with no change. > > > > > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting > TRT > > has > > > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > thom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Yes I agree. I'll do it. do you still donate at 2 month intervals? thom > > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the > time. > > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > red. > > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > count > > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting > TRT. > > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) > > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > like > > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. > > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > recent tests > > > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > > free T 18.9 (10-55) > > E2 11 (0-76) > > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > thyroid numbers look ok > > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > Free T3 391 range? > > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for > a > > few months with no change. > > > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT > has > > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > thanks > > > > thom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 What are you taking to control E2 and testing needs to be done at least every 6 -8 weeks untill your leveled and doing well. I have been on TRT for over 23 yrs and I get tested every 4 - 6 weeks. Have you had your morning cortisol and Thyroid tested a lot of us are finding out we have Adrenal Fatigue and some have a bad thyroid. If this is bad for you your beating you head into a wall trying to get leveled off on just T. Do have your morning cortisol tested and your Thyroid do this test TSH, Free T4 and Free T3. Phil thombow <thombow@...> wrote: I went through my records. Since I've only been getting tested 2 times a year there's not much to go on. Prior to this flushing I had E2's of 52,60,43,13 and 85. After flushing started 23,60 and 11. Don't think it's an estrogen problem. Started the black cohosh anyway, we'll see if it does anything. > > > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all > the > > time. > > > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > > red. > > > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > > > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > > count > > > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting > > TRT. > > > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now > anyway) > > > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > > like > > > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take > it. > > > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > > > recent tests > > > > > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > > > free T 18.9 (10-55) > > > E2 11 (0-76) > > > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > > > thyroid numbers look ok > > > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > > Free T3 391 range? > > > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > > > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol > for > > a > > > few months with no change. > > > > > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting > TRT > > has > > > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > thom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 I typically give about 4 times a year now. I do donate every 2 months until I start to get marginal results on the iron screen they do or I feel short of breath when I run. I will then skip and donate in 4 months. Arkansas thombow <thombow@...> wrote: Yes I agree. I'll do it. do you still donate at 2 month intervals? thom > > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the > time. > > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > red. > > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > count > > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting > TRT. > > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) > > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > like > > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. > > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > recent tests > > > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > > free T 18.9 (10-55) > > E2 11 (0-76) > > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > thyroid numbers look ok > > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > Free T3 391 range? > > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for > a > > few months with no change. > > > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT > has > > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > thanks > > > > thom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Hi Thom, I just thought I'd pop in and give my two cents on the subject of your flushing. Personally, I'd suggest you get off the iodine crap and try Armour Thyroid (name brand only)for hypothyroidism. I'm taking a stab at this and guessing... the wrong treatment for thyroid is a problem. You are NOT iodine deficient are you? Is there a hx of anorexia to consider...starvation or long term sever dieting involved? Why use iodine anything? There are some undeveloped regions of the world that are deficient but iodine dfficiencies are not found in developed nations without a specifice reason. My money is on the thyroid as a cause for flushing. Just my thought. Vickie In , " thombow " <thombow@...> wrote: > > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY red. > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell count > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting TRT. > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now anyway) > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels like > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take it. > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > recent tests > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > free T 18.9 (10-55) > E2 11 (0-76) > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > thyroid numbers look ok > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > Free T3 391 range? > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol for a > few months with no change. > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT has > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > thanks > > thom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Taking arimidex 1mg a week. just tested thyroid TSH 1.6 (.3-5) Free T3 391 range? Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) but my basel temp number upon awakening is 97 to 97.2 haven't had cortisol measured. > > > > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all > > the > > > time. > > > > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > > > red. > > > > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > > > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out > of > > > > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > > > count > > > > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of > quitting > > > TRT. > > > > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now > > anyway) > > > > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > > > like > > > > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take > > it. > > > > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > > > > > recent tests > > > > > > > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in > flushing > > > > free T 18.9 (10-55) > > > > E2 11 (0-76) > > > > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > > > > > thyroid numbers look ok > > > > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > > > Free T3 391 range? > > > > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > > > > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is > 97.0 > > > > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > > > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol > > for > > > a > > > > few months with no change. > > > > > > > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting > > TRT > > > has > > > > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > thom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 i've read in so many alternative newsletters like Dr , Alternatives and Dr Bruce West's Health Alert and others and they say if your basel temp is below 97.6 (some say 97.8 or 97.4) that it indicates hypothyroidism.mine is 97-97.2 alwayscoldhands and feet in the winter. I remember prior to doing TRT I used iodine with no ill effect. But, yeah, I could stop it. I'm thinking of stopping everything and starting over. thom > > > > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > red. > > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > count > > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting > TRT. > > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now > anyway) > > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > like > > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take > it. > > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > > > recent tests > > > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > > free T 18.9 (10-55) > > E2 11 (0-76) > > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > thyroid numbers look ok > > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > Free T3 391 range? > > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol > for a > > few months with no change. > > > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT > has > > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > thanks > > > > thom > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Cut the pill in .25mg. pieces and take .25 mgs every 3 days this works good for a lot of men. Not sure what your free T3 is are you saying it's 391 or the range is 391 and you forgot to add the number. Low temps can also mean low cortisol. I use this link to chart my Temps. http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions Phil thombow <thombow@...> wrote: Taking arimidex 1mg a week. just tested thyroid TSH 1.6 (.3-5) Free T3 391 range? Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) but my basel temp number upon awakening is 97 to 97.2 haven't had cortisol measured. > > > > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all > > the > > > time. > > > > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > > > red. > > > > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > > > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out > of > > > > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > > > count > > > > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of > quitting > > > TRT. > > > > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now > > anyway) > > > > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > > > like > > > > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take > > it. > > > > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > > > > > recent tests > > > > > > > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in > flushing > > > > free T 18.9 (10-55) > > > > E2 11 (0-76) > > > > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > > > > > thyroid numbers look ok > > > > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > > > Free T3 391 range? > > > > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > > > > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is > 97.0 > > > > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > > > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol > > for > > > a > > > > few months with no change. > > > > > > > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting > > TRT > > > has > > > > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > thom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Be care full if your on a lot of supplements don't stop them all at once. Take your time comming off them and wright down how you feel not taking it. Phil thombow <thombow@...> wrote: i've read in so many alternative newsletters like Dr , Alternatives and Dr Bruce West's Health Alert and others and they say if your basel temp is below 97.6 (some say 97.8 or 97.4) that it indicates hypothyroidism.mine is 97-97.2 alwayscoldhands and feet in the winter. I remember prior to doing TRT I used iodine with no ill effect. But, yeah, I could stop it. I'm thinking of stopping everything and starting over. thom > > > > For the past year I've had a red face and chest all the time. > > Different times of the day I get a hot flush and it gets REALLY > red. > > Lasts for hours. It's worse in the summer heat and when I > > exercise.People always commenting. I thought the T/E2 was out of > > whack but it's not. Then someone mentioned high red blood cell > count > > but that's ok too. I'm at a loss. Seriously thinking of quitting > TRT. > > Really, I'd prefer no libido (which isn't much as it is now > anyway) > > to this continual bright red face, chest,back, even arms. Feels > like > > I'm burning up. I've always like hot weather but now can't take > it. > > Even now in the cold of winter I look like a tomato. > > > > > > recent tests > > > > total T 563 (240-950) It's been to 800 with no change in flushing > > free T 18.9 (10-55) > > E2 11 (0-76) > > HCT 45.9 (40-54) red blood cell count > > > > thyroid numbers look ok > > TSH 1.6 (.3-5) > > Free T3 391 range? > > Free T4 1.3 (.7-1.9) > > > > Although my basel temp taken in the morning under armpit is 97.0 > > which according to all the alternative doctors would indicate > > hypothyroidism. I've been taking an iodine product called iosol > for a > > few months with no change. > > > > Any ideas? I can't see going on like this even though quiting TRT > has > > long term bad consequences for heart and bone health. > > > > thanks > > > > thom > > > --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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