Re: how to lower estrodiol

April 4, 2008

Wow 1mg. 2x's a week that is nuts you need to stop taking it I am betting your

E2 is way to low now. But it would have helped us if you posted your labs with

the ranges and units. Most of us start on .25mgs and take this 1/4 of a pill

every 3 days. Driving E2 down to low is just as bad as going to high.

Did you at any point get some good night time and morning wood when you

started on this. If you did and then lost it you went to low. I would stop

taking it and in a short time as your levels come back up your Wood will come

back this means your at the right level. I would then go back on it but do .25

mgs. every 3 days cut the pill in half the use a single edge razor blade to cut

the half's into 1/4's.

You feel this way not because of a side from arimidex but because you drove

your E2 down to low.

matttaylor99 <matttaylor99@...> wrote:

I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

nasty depression.

I was on 1 mg 2x a week

any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

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April 4, 2008

> I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

>

> started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> nasty depression.

> I was on 1 mg 2x a week

>

> any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

Hi,

that's over double what I do and I'm doing ~162.5mg of mixed test a

week!

go with the standard of 1/4mg (1/4 tab, use a tab cutter from the

drugstore... the tabs I get I break in half on a score, then cut the

halves into quarters... ymmv) every 3rd day and get tested after a

month or so.

if it truly is an allergic reaction there is stuff like aromasin and

extremestase(sp??) that stops aromatization too... but if you drive

your e2 level to low with aromasin due to the mechanism it works with

you don't recover as fast... arimidex is more forgiving.

April 4, 2008

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:04:14 -0000, you wrote:

> I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

>

> started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

>nasty depression.

> I was on 1 mg 2x a week

>

> any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

That depression as likely E2 too low. Much below 20 and it has

profound impacts. Most of us take arimidex in 1/4 tablet doses only 2

to 3 times a week. You were taking about 8 times what most of us do.

April 5, 2008

>

> > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> >

> > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> >nasty depression.

> > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> >

> > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

>

> That depression as likely E2 too low. Much below 20 and it has

> profound impacts. Most of us take arimidex in 1/4 tablet doses only 2

> to 3 times a week. You were taking about 8 times what most of us do.

>

my estrodiol was in the 80's, my testosterone was 350, I do not know

why my doc put me on such a hi dose

April 5, 2008

>

> > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> >

> > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> >nasty depression.

> > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> >

> > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

>

> That depression as likely E2 too low. Much below 20 and it has

> profound impacts. Most of us take arimidex in 1/4 tablet doses only 2

> to 3 times a week. You were taking about 8 times what most of us do.

>

my ORIGINAL number before HRT were

high cortisol 17.5 morning

free t4 1.5 ok

free t3 2.4 l ow

estradiol 81

testosteron 357

ratio t/shbg .3 low

I was presribed

arimidex 1mg 2x week

T3 30 mg daily

testosterone cream 20 mgs 1ml daily

since doubled the cream strenth

April 5, 2008

>

> > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> >

> > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> >nasty depression.

> > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> >

> > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

>

> That depression as likely E2 too low. Much below 20 and it has

> profound impacts. Most of us take arimidex in 1/4 tablet doses only 2

> to 3 times a week. You were taking about 8 times what most of us do.

>

what e2? I do not see it on my test results

April 9, 2008

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 00:36:35 -0000, you wrote:

>

>>

>> > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

>> >

>> > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

>> >nasty depression.

>> > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

>> >

>> > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

>>

>> That depression as likely E2 too low. Much below 20 and it has

>> profound impacts. Most of us take arimidex in 1/4 tablet doses only 2

>> to 3 times a week. You were taking about 8 times what most of us do.

>>

>

>what e2? I do not see it on my test results

E2 is estradiol. Your level was 81. Most of us feel poor if it gets to

40 or more.

And we feel even worse if it falls below 15. I'd bet the arimidex at

such a strong dose knocked your E2 almost flat.

April 9, 2008

retro is correct. That is way too much Arimidex. Nearly everyone takes 1/4

.25mg at a dose. You will have to get off it for awhile in my opinion then

start your doseage at 1/4 of the total pill. It is a little hard to cut but it

can

be done. I have my dosage at .25mg every 8 days and that is good for me.

Your E2 must be flat by now as retro said. I take my T once a week which

doesn't let me down either.

Roy

retrogrouch@... wrote:

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 00:36:35 -0000, you wrote:

>

>>

>> > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

>> >

>> > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

>> >nasty depression.

>> > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

>> >

>> > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

>>

>> That depression as likely E2 too low. Much below 20 and it has

>> profound impacts. Most of us take arimidex in 1/4 tablet doses only 2

>> to 3 times a week. You were taking about 8 times what most of us do.

>>

>

>what e2? I do not see it on my test results

E2 is estradiol. Your level was 81. Most of us feel poor if it gets to

40 or more.

And we feel even worse if it falls below 15. I'd bet the arimidex at

such a strong dose knocked your E2 almost flat.

__________________________________________________

May 27, 2008

>

> I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

>

> started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> nasty depression.

> I was on 1 mg 2x a week

>

> any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

update

I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

made for a problem possibly.

Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

stand. I got the results today

testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

thyroid

t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

t3 104 range 85-205

I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

should support the cream

I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

>

May 27, 2008

This is why I say Endo's are no go for testing or treating low T. All this Endo

got from taking you off TRT was to see how dam sick he made you. I have this

done to me every time a Dr. sent me to an Endo and all they found out was how

dam sick they made me and still found out nothing as to why I am so low.

Never let a Dr. pull you off TRT again now you will be a long time getting

back to good levels if you like me. I went through this crap and later found

out once your on TRT there is no base line results on labs even if your off TRT

for 3 months.

Each time I was told I am Primary meaning my testis don't work. This was

over a 23 yrs time and just 3 yrs ago I found out I am Secondary meaning my

pituitary does not work right.

So stay way from Endo's they are only good for low sugar. They are not even

good for Thyroid.

What you first Dr. did adding T3 is done all the time and I don't feel this

was a problem. Unless you have low cortisol levels but then you would have

ended up in the ER. You need cortisol to carry the T3 out of your blood into

your cells. So if your low on cortisol and you add Armour or T3 it builds up in

your blood and will make you feel hyper of like your having a heart attack.

If I were you I would get a 200mg shot of Depo T to jump start you then do

100mgs shots your self every week. And if you can't get a Dr. to do this see

Dr. or see if you can get your family Dr. to work with him to test and

treat you over the phone.

Dr. is one of the best a lot of me drive or fly to see him he only needs

to see you once. Then he can treat you by phone or Email.

www.allthingsmale.com

When you go off TRT your Estradiol " E2 " will bottom out most of us have higher

E2 levels do to TRT.

To tell how your thyroid is going you need Free T3 tested also.

With you labs off TRT looking like this and your Dr. being reluctant to put

you back on TRT If I were you I would run from this Dr.

I have lost count on how many times I have hear this story.

It's sad we have to go through this I went 23 yrs before I figured out I am

Hypopituitary and when my New Dr. looked over my old labs he even said they were

screaming I have a pituitary problem.

So now we treat all the hormones that are low or even low normal and I am

doing so much better.

matttaylor99 <matttaylor99@...> wrote:

>

> I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

>

> started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> nasty depression.

> I was on 1 mg 2x a week

>

> any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

update

I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

made for a problem possibly.

Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

stand. I got the results today

testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

thyroid

t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

t3 104 range 85-205

I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

should support the cream

I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

>

Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. "

Phil

May 27, 2008

> >

> > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> >

> > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > nasty depression.

> > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> >

> > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

>

> update

>

> I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> made for a problem possibly.

> Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> stand. I got the results today

>

> testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

>

> Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

>

> thyroid

> t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> t3 104 range 85-205

>

> I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> should support the cream

>

> I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> >

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

May 28, 2008

The last test your Endo did I don't think it's a men's test because of the range

or was it a 24 urine test. Your old Estradiol with the range of 10 to 50 pg/ml

was the right one to have the rest I am told by Dr. are for women and not

any good for men.

I am telling you to go to shots because you have a thyroid problem and most

men with a thyroid problem have a thicker skin and the gels and creams don't get

through the skin and you can't get good levels. In the last post I sent you I

gave you some links to sites where Dr.'s post go there and read them Dr.

nco takes about the thyroid and thicker skin. They even have a name for

it.

Your E2 levels can go down coming off TRT because E2 is made from

Testosterone. When you go on shots the levels will come back up.

Here is what you need to do get your Total and Free T levels up into the upper

1/3 of your labs range for a young man. And keep your E2 at about 20 to 30

pg/ml this will have you feeling your best. So if your range for TT is 250 to

1100 you would do good to get up to or over 700 then go by how you feel. With a

thicker skin you will not get past 400 to 500 on creams or gels.

matttaylor99 <matttaylor99@...> wrote:

> >

> > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> >

> > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > nasty depression.

> > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> >

> > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

>

> update

>

> I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> made for a problem possibly.

> Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> stand. I got the results today

>

> testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

>

> Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

>

> thyroid

> t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> t3 104 range 85-205

>

> I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> should support the cream

>

> I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> >

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

May 29, 2008

---Philip, what or how did you know you had pituitary issues?

tests? also, you mention that i will not get above 400 or 500 with

the test crteams and gels, I believe is true, but if the endo is

reluctant to give me T cream with 305 testosterone, I doubt I

will get a Depot T shot from him. What is Depot T shot stand for?

Yes your are correct, since I stopped the HRT from doc 1

my E2 dropped like a rock. Do you think starting back with the T

cream will help out with that?

Also, I have puffy nipples [ gyne] for thirty years, I plan on

surgery some day, I am a little woried about the T cream or shots

making it worst, and I refuse to take arimidex, I think that DIM

product works for me.

thanks in advance, Matt

In , philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> The last test your Endo did I don't think it's a men's test because

of the range or was it a 24 urine test. Your old Estradiol with the

range of 10 to 50 pg/ml was the right one to have the rest I am told

by Dr. are for women and not any good for men.

>

> I am telling you to go to shots because you have a thyroid problem

and most men with a thyroid problem have a thicker skin and the gels

and creams don't get through the skin and you can't get good levels.

In the last post I sent you I gave you some links to sites where Dr.'s

post go there and read them Dr. nco takes about the thyroid and

thicker skin. They even have a name for it.

>

> Your E2 levels can go down coming off TRT because E2 is made from

Testosterone. When you go on shots the levels will come back up.

>

> Here is what you need to do get your Total and Free T levels up

into the upper 1/3 of your labs range for a young man. And keep your

E2 at about 20 to 30 pg/ml this will have you feeling your best. So

if your range for TT is 250 to 1100 you would do good to get up to or

over 700 then go by how you feel. With a thicker skin you will not

get past 400 to 500 on creams or gels.

>

> matttaylor99 <matttaylor99@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> > >

> > > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > > nasty depression.

> > > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> > >

> > > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

> >

> > update

> >

> > I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> > pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> > I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> > I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> > testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> > knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> > I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> > made for a problem possibly.

> > Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> > I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> > hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> > stand. I got the results today

> >

> > testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> > free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> > free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> > prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> > estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

> >

> > Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

> >

> > thyroid

> > t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> > fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> > tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> > t3 104 range 85-205

> >

> > I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> > seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> > should support the cream

> >

> > I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> > hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> > >

> >

> > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> you see. "

> > Phil

> >

May 29, 2008

Matt people with thyroid problems have a thicker skin I just got back for

searching for the post by Dr. M about this. I did not find the name for this

but here is what he said in one post.

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Re: Transdermal Application Sites

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mkl13

I just recieved a 10% compounded gel (switching from androgel). Where are the

best places to apply the gel to maximize absorbtion and minimize E2 conversion.

Thanks..

The biceps and shoulders are some of the best places.

If a person doesn't have too much facial hair and has treatment to prevent hair

loss (e.g. finasteride), then the face and neck are good areas for absorption.

If a person has difficulty in absorbing transdermal testosterone, one problem

may be thickening of the skin which occurs with hypothyroidism.

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You should go to this link and read all of his Posts this Dr. is one of the

best he came to this site for reseach on his new book so he helped the guys for

a long time replying to posts.

Endo's are not good Dr.'s for thyroid or low testosterone. If you have no

luck getting this Dr. to give you Depo testosterone shots starting at 100mgs a

week then you need to find a good Dr. DO Dr.'s are some of the best where do you

live.

Yes your E2 will come back up on Depo T shots as your levels come up so will

E2. I am over weight and my I have fat on my chest this goes away as I lose

weight what you need to worry about is breast tessue if you have this then you

need to keep E2 in check. Having it removed and not keeping E2 down it will

come back. Indolplex/DIM is very good for keeping E2 in check.

matttaylor99 <matttaylor99@...> wrote: ---Philip, what or how did

you know you had pituitary issues?

tests? also, you mention that i will not get above 400 or 500 with

the test crteams and gels, I believe is true, but if the endo is

reluctant to give me T cream with 305 testosterone, I doubt I

will get a Depot T shot from him. What is Depot T shot stand for?

Yes your are correct, since I stopped the HRT from doc 1

my E2 dropped like a rock. Do you think starting back with the T

cream will help out with that?

Also, I have puffy nipples [ gyne] for thirty years, I plan on

surgery some day, I am a little woried about the T cream or shots

making it worst, and I refuse to take arimidex, I think that DIM

product works for me.

thanks in advance, Matt

In , philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> The last test your Endo did I don't think it's a men's test because

of the range or was it a 24 urine test. Your old Estradiol with the

range of 10 to 50 pg/ml was the right one to have the rest I am told

by Dr. are for women and not any good for men.

>

> I am telling you to go to shots because you have a thyroid problem

and most men with a thyroid problem have a thicker skin and the gels

and creams don't get through the skin and you can't get good levels.

In the last post I sent you I gave you some links to sites where Dr.'s

post go there and read them Dr. nco takes about the thyroid and

thicker skin. They even have a name for it.

>

> Your E2 levels can go down coming off TRT because E2 is made from

Testosterone. When you go on shots the levels will come back up.

>

> Here is what you need to do get your Total and Free T levels up

into the upper 1/3 of your labs range for a young man. And keep your

E2 at about 20 to 30 pg/ml this will have you feeling your best. So

if your range for TT is 250 to 1100 you would do good to get up to or

over 700 then go by how you feel. With a thicker skin you will not

get past 400 to 500 on creams or gels.

>

> matttaylor99 <matttaylor99@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> > >

> > > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > > nasty depression.

> > > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> > >

> > > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

> >

> > update

> >

> > I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> > pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> > I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> > I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> > testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> > knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> > I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> > made for a problem possibly.

> > Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> > I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> > hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> > stand. I got the results today

> >

> > testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> > free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> > free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> > prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> > estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

> >

> > Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

> >

> > thyroid

> > t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> > fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> > tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> > t3 104 range 85-205

> >

> > I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> > seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> > should support the cream

> >

> > I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> > hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> > >

> >

> > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> you see. "

> > Phil

> >

May 29, 2008

As for my pituitary for 23 yrs Dr.'s told me I am primary meaning my testis

don't make enough T. I read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG Update at Dr.

's site he puts this out there free for us and are Dr.'s.

www.allthingsmale.com

I showed this to my Dr. and told him I want to add HCG to my T shots he said

it would not do me any good because I am Primary. I posted to Dr. about

this and told me to show his reply to my Dr. Here is a cut and paste. Of my

post to Dr. at the time on the web his nick was SWALE.

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I have been on TRT for 21 yrs and I am Primary I read SWALE paper on adding

HCG to the mix. I asked my Dr. if it would help and he felt no. Because my

Testis don't work. SWALE is he right.

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No. He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am

guessing) there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several

reasons why this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any

HCG you take will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous

testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

======================================================

So my Dr. agreed to try HCG after he read this. I started at a higher dose

then Dr. uses 500 IU's 3 x's a week after the 15th shot we retested and my

Total T levels went from 600 to 1200 at the time the lab I used there range went

to 1592 so my levels doubled. I asked my Dr. if my testis don't work how is

this possible. He said it must be my adrenals making more T. I posted this to

Dr. and it's not possible Dr. told my I must have a pituitary problem

and need an MRI. Well the MRI was OK so I remembered that before I got sick

some 25yrs ago today I had a bad auto accident with a head injury so then my Dr.

and he was not the Dr. that told me I am Primary went back over all my old labs

and they were screaming I have a pituitary problem. So then we started treating

all the things on my labs that were low normal like Cortisol, Thyroid, Ferritin,

Vit.-D and so on. And this is called Hypopituitary due to a head injury. A lot

of are boys coming back from

the war have this problem do the the road side bombs and some pro football

players.

matttaylor99 <matttaylor99@...> wrote:

---Philip, what or how did you know you had pituitary issues?

tests? also, you mention that i will not get above 400 or 500 with

the test crteams and gels, I believe is true, but if the endo is

reluctant to give me T cream with 305 testosterone, I doubt I

will get a Depot T shot from him. What is Depot T shot stand for?

Yes your are correct, since I stopped the HRT from doc 1

my E2 dropped like a rock. Do you think starting back with the T

cream will help out with that?

Also, I have puffy nipples [ gyne] for thirty years, I plan on

surgery some day, I am a little woried about the T cream or shots

making it worst, and I refuse to take arimidex, I think that DIM

product works for me.

thanks in advance, Matt

In , philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> The last test your Endo did I don't think it's a men's test because

of the range or was it a 24 urine test. Your old Estradiol with the

range of 10 to 50 pg/ml was the right one to have the rest I am told

by Dr. are for women and not any good for men.

>

> I am telling you to go to shots because you have a thyroid problem

and most men with a thyroid problem have a thicker skin and the gels

and creams don't get through the skin and you can't get good levels.

In the last post I sent you I gave you some links to sites where Dr.'s

post go there and read them Dr. nco takes about the thyroid and

thicker skin. They even have a name for it.

>

> Your E2 levels can go down coming off TRT because E2 is made from

Testosterone. When you go on shots the levels will come back up.

>

> Here is what you need to do get your Total and Free T levels up

into the upper 1/3 of your labs range for a young man. And keep your

E2 at about 20 to 30 pg/ml this will have you feeling your best. So

if your range for TT is 250 to 1100 you would do good to get up to or

over 700 then go by how you feel. With a thicker skin you will not

get past 400 to 500 on creams or gels.

>

> matttaylor99 <matttaylor99@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> > >

> > > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > > nasty depression.

> > > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> > >

> > > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

> >

> > update

> >

> > I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> > pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> > I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> > I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> > testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> > knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> > I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> > made for a problem possibly.

> > Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> > I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> > hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> > stand. I got the results today

> >

> > testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> > free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> > free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> > prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> > estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

> >

> > Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

> >

> > thyroid

> > t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> > fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> > tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> > t3 104 range 85-205

> >

> > I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> > seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> > should support the cream

> >

> > I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> > hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> > >

> >

> > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> you see. "

> > Phil

> >

May 29, 2008

this is amazing sh...t!!! most of these doctors are clueless on

this stuff!!!!! I need to find a dr closer then dr john though

> > > >

> > > > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> > > >

> > > > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > > > nasty depression.

> > > > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> > > >

> > > > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

> > >

> > > update

> > >

> > > I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> > > pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> > > I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> > > I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> > > testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> > > knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> > > I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> > > made for a problem possibly.

> > > Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> > > I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> > > hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> > > stand. I got the results today

> > >

> > > testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> > > free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> > > free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> > > prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> > > estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

> > >

> > > Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

> > >

> > > thyroid

> > > t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> > > fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> > > tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> > > t3 104 range 85-205

> > >

> > > I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> > > seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> > > should support the cream

> > >

> > > I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> > > hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> > > >

> > >

> > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> > you see. "

> > > Phil

> > >

May 29, 2008

''f you have no

luck getting this Dr. to give you Depo testosterone shots starting at

100mgs a

week then you need to find a good Dr. DO Dr.'s are some of the best

where do you

live.''

I am confused Philip, do I want dr john from ALLTHINGS male or do

I want dr M? whoever that is, what is DO DRs. as you stated above?

> > > >

> > > > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> > > >

> > > > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > > > nasty depression.

> > > > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> > > >

> > > > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

> > >

> > > update

> > >

> > > I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> > > pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> > > I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> > > I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> > > testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> > > knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> > > I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> > > made for a problem possibly.

> > > Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> > > I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> > > hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> > > stand. I got the results today

> > >

> > > testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> > > free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> > > free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> > > prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> > > estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

> > >

> > > Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

> > >

> > > thyroid

> > > t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> > > fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> > > tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> > > t3 104 range 85-205

> > >

> > > I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> > > seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> > > should support the cream

> > >

> > > I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> > > hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> > > >

> > >

> > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> > you see. "

> > > Phil

> > >

May 29, 2008

how do I find the post by mkl13? I am in land, you know of any dr

here that know this stuff, or should I fly to dr or dr M....

I have a lady doc here that works for bodylogicmd [ goolge them], I

do not think she is good at it, she put me on 1 mcg of arimidex 2x a

week , 30 mcg of T3, and test cream, it made me feel depressed. I

should have taken less synthroid if she was giving me so much t3,

plus that arimidex was too much i think

> > > >

> > > > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> > > >

> > > > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > > > nasty depression.

> > > > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> > > >

> > > > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

> > >

> > > update

> > >

> > > I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> > > pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> > > I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> > > I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> > > testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> > > knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> > > I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> > > made for a problem possibly.

> > > Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> > > I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> > > hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> > > stand. I got the results today

> > >

> > > testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> > > free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> > > free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> > > prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> > > estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

> > >

> > > Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

> > >

> > > thyroid

> > > t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> > > fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> > > tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> > > t3 104 range 85-205

> > >

> > > I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> > > seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> > > should support the cream

> > >

> > > I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> > > hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> > > >

> > >

> > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> > you see. "

> > > Phil

> > >

May 29, 2008

Dr. M is in CA. and Dr. is in MI. witch is close to you. Both are dam good

Dr.'s.

Dr. is more about hormones Dr. M is more about Psychiatry yet feels most

mental problems are do to bad hormones. His new book will change the

Psychiatry works. Both only need to see you once and will treat you by Email.

You can reach Dr. at www.allthingsmale.com

and

You can reach Dr. M at this link.

http://definitivepsychiatry.com/services/services.html

matttaylor99 <matttaylor99@...> wrote:

''f you have no

luck getting this Dr. to give you Depo testosterone shots starting at

100mgs a

week then you need to find a good Dr. DO Dr.'s are some of the best

where do you

live.''

I am confused Philip, do I want dr john from ALLTHINGS male or do

I want dr M? whoever that is, what is DO DRs. as you stated above?

> > > >

> > > > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> > > >

> > > > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > > > nasty depression.

> > > > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> > > >

> > > > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

> > >

> > > update

> > >

> > > I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> > > pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> > > I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> > > I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> > > testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> > > knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> > > I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> > > made for a problem possibly.

> > > Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> > > I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> > > hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> > > stand. I got the results today

> > >

> > > testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> > > free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> > > free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> > > prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> > > estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

> > >

> > > Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

> > >

> > > thyroid

> > > t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> > > fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> > > tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> > > t3 104 range 85-205

> > >

> > > I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> > > seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> > > should support the cream

> > >

> > > I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> > > hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> > > >

> > >

> > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> > you see. "

> > > Phil

> > >

May 29, 2008

To find mkl13 go to the home page here and do a search under messages. Just put

mkl13 in and search all his posts should come up.

If you can't get to see Dr. M or Dr. then try to find a DO Dr..

American Academy of Osteopathy

Find an osteopath in US and some other countries

http://www.academyofosteopathy.org/findphys.cfm

Find an osteopath

http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?PageID=findado_main

General Osteopathic Council

Find an osteopath in almost any country

http://www.osteopathy.org.uk/find_osteo/

Healthfinder

Find an osteopath near you in the US. Also links to site to explain what an

osteopath is.

http://www.healthfinder.gov/Scripts/SearchContext.asp?topic=3786

*I recommend avoiding osteopathic endos. They seem to be the same as regular

endos.

matttaylor99 <matttaylor99@...> wrote:

how do I find the post by mkl13? I am in land, you know of any dr

here that know this stuff, or should I fly to dr or dr M....

I have a lady doc here that works for bodylogicmd [ goolge them], I

do not think she is good at it, she put me on 1 mcg of arimidex 2x a

week , 30 mcg of T3, and test cream, it made me feel depressed. I

should have taken less synthroid if she was giving me so much t3,

plus that arimidex was too much i think

> > > >

> > > > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> > > >

> > > > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > > > nasty depression.

> > > > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> > > >

> > > > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

> > >

> > > update

> > >

> > > I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> > > pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> > > I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> > > I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> > > testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> > > knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> > > I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> > > made for a problem possibly.

> > > Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> > > I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> > > hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> > > stand. I got the results today

> > >

> > > testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> > > free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> > > free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> > > prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> > > estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

> > >

> > > Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

> > >

> > > thyroid

> > > t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> > > fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> > > tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> > > t3 104 range 85-205

> > >

> > > I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> > > seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> > > should support the cream

> > >

> > > I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> > > hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> > > >

> > >

> > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> > you see. "

> > > Phil

> > >

May 29, 2008

Matt,

You could try this guy, he is about 4 hours from you.

http://hormonerestoration.com/index.html

He is affordable.

Neil

matttaylor99 wrote:

>

> how do I find the post by mkl13? I am in land, you know of any dr

> here that know this stuff, or should I fly to dr or dr M....

> I have a lady doc here that works for bodylogicmd [ goolge them], I

> do not think she is good at it, she put me on 1 mcg of arimidex 2x a

> week , 30 mcg of T3, and test cream, it made me feel depressed. I

> should have taken less synthroid if she was giving me so much t3,

> plus that arimidex was too much i think

>

> > > > >

> > > > > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> > > > >

> > > > > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > > > > nasty depression.

> > > > > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> > > > >

> > > > > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

> > > >

> > > > update

> > > >

> > > > I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> > > > pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> > > > I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> > > > I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> > > > testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> > > > knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> > > > I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> > > > made for a problem possibly.

> > > > Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> > > > I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> > > > hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> > > > stand. I got the results today

> > > >

> > > > testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> > > > free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> > > > free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> > > > prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> > > > estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

> > > >

> > > > Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

> > > >

> > > > thyroid

> > > > t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> > > > fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> > > > tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> > > > t3 104 range 85-205

> > > >

> > > > I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> > > > seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> > > > should support the cream

> > > >

> > > > I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> > > > hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

> > > you see. "

> > > > Phil

> > > >

May 30, 2008

NEIL, have you had good service from this guy?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > > > > > nasty depression.

> > > > > > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> > > > > >

> > > > > > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

> > > > >

> > > > > update

> > > > >

> > > > > I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> > > > > pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> > > > > I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> > > > > I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> > > > > testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> > > > > knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> > > > > I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the

synthroid it

> > > > > made for a problem possibly.

> > > > > Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> > > > > I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> > > > > hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> > > > > stand. I got the results today

> > > > >

> > > > > testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> > > > > free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> > > > > free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> > > > > prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> > > > > estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

> > > > >

> > > > > Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

> > > > >

> > > > > thyroid

> > > > > t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> > > > > fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> > > > > tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> > > > > t3 104 range 85-205

> > > > >

> > > > > I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> > > > > seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> > > > > should support the cream

> > > > >

> > > > > I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> > > > > hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half

of what

> > > > you see. "

> > > > > Phil

> > > > >

May 30, 2008

HERE WE go again, my endo called and said my testosterone is

borderline low [ 305] , 400 to 1200 being the range. He prescibed

the pump style androgel cream and said come in in 3 months for a

check up!!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> > > > >

> > > > > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > > > > nasty depression.

> > > > > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> > > > >

> > > > > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

> > > >

> > > > update

> > > >

> > > > I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> > > > pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> > > > I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> > > > I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> > > > testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> > > > knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> > > > I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> > > > made for a problem possibly.

> > > > Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> > > > I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> > > > hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> > > > stand. I got the results today

> > > >

> > > > testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> > > > free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> > > > free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> > > > prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> > > > estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

> > > >

> > > > Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

> > > >

> > > > thyroid

> > > > t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> > > > fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> > > > tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> > > > t3 104 range 85-205

> > > >

> > > > I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> > > > seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> > > > should support the cream

> > > >

> > > > I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> > > > hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of

what

> > > you see. "

> > > > Phil

> > > >

May 30, 2008

I read some where here or online about a doctor that thinks

depression is linked to hormones, what doctor is that, one of you

all mentioned it would change psiachyatry

> > > > >

> > > > > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> > > > >

> > > > > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > > > > nasty depression.

> > > > > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> > > > >

> > > > > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

> > > >

> > > > update

> > > >

> > > > I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> > > > pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> > > > I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> > > > I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> > > > testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> > > > knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> > > > I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> > > > made for a problem possibly.

> > > > Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> > > > I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> > > > hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> > > > stand. I got the results today

> > > >

> > > > testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> > > > free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> > > > free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> > > > prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> > > > estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

> > > >

> > > > Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

> > > >

> > > > thyroid

> > > > t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> > > > fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> > > > tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> > > > t3 104 range 85-205

> > > >

> > > > I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> > > > seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> > > > should support the cream

> > > >

> > > > I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> > > > hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of

what

> > > you see. "

> > > > Phil

> > > >

May 30, 2008

CAN ONE OF YOU GUYS FIND THE LINK TO THE DOC THE LINK DEPRESSION AND

HORMONE ISSUES? PLEASE

In , " matttaylor99 " <matttaylor99@...>

wrote:

>

> this is amazing sh...t!!! most of these doctors are clueless on

> this stuff!!!!! I need to find a dr closer then dr john though

>

> > > > >

> > > > > I have very high estrodiol, low testosterone

> > > > >

> > > > > started on testosterone cream, but the arimidex sent me into a

> > > > > nasty depression.

> > > > > I was on 1 mg 2x a week

> > > > >

> > > > > any other way to lower estrodiol other then arimidex?

> > > >

> > > > update

> > > >

> > > > I have had a resurgence of severe depression, the AD meds have

> > > > pooped out. I am in poor shape at the moment.

> > > > I have not done any HRT for a 6 weeks or more after

> > > > I crashed, the bodylogicmd doctor had me on T3, arimedex and

> > > > testosterone cream, . The t3 amount of 3o mcg was to much, she

> > > > knew I was taking 225 mcg for synthroid for hypothyroid, so when

> > > > I introduced that much t3 without cutting back on the synthroid it

> > > > made for a problem possibly.

> > > > Also the 1mg of arimidex 2x a week was a little much I gather.

> > > > I hired another endocrinologists and he suggested stopping all

> > > > hrt, then retesting my hormones to get a baseline to see where I

> > > > stand. I got the results today

> > > >

> > > > testosterone serum total 305 range 400 to 1200

> > > > free testosterone 1.6 range 1.5 to 3.2

> > > > free testosterone s 49 range 52 to280

> > > > prolactin 7.8 range 3-18

> > > > estrodiol .61 range .8 to 3.5

> > > >

> > > > Wierd about estrodiol, it used to be way way high

> > > >

> > > > thyroid

> > > > t4 free 1,27 range .61-1.76

> > > > fsh 3.2 range 1.4-18.1

> > > > tsh 1.161 range .350 to 5.5

> > > > t3 104 range 85-205

> > > >

> > > > I am hoping to start on a alcohol based testosterone cream, doc

> > > > seems kind of reluctant, but these numbers are not very good and

> > > > should support the cream

> > > >

> > > > I got a b 12 shot today and will do that regularly

> > > > hoping the testosterone cream will help with the depression

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of

what

> > > you see. "

> > > > Phil

> > > >

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