Re: high DHEA

November 7, 2005

I take this to keep my DHEA up in the normal range. Dr. did say if you

take to much of this it will covert to estrogen. I think he said not to take

more then 25 mgs a day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

Can't DHEA convert to estrogen? Mine was low, but Dr told me not

to supplement because of e conversion...

> Re: high DHEA

>

>You are just lucky your body is making it and working dam good. Phil

>

>wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

>What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

>

>My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high after

>taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether there

>is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

>

>Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

>

>WF

>

November 7, 2005

From what I have researched, DHEA has a high propensity to convert to estrogen.

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:I take this to keep my DHEA up in

the normal range. Dr. did say if you take to much of this it will covert

to estrogen. I think he said not to take more then 25 mgs a day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

Can't DHEA convert to estrogen? Mine was low, but Dr told me not

to supplement because of e conversion...

> Re: high DHEA

>

>You are just lucky your body is making it and working dam good. Phil

>

>wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

>What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

>

>My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high after

>taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether there

>is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

>

>Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

>

>WF

>

November 7, 2005

Works fabuously at what? What symptoms did it cure for her, or what

benefits does she now see from it?

> Re: high DHEA

>

>My wife has been taking DHEA 25 mg. daily for well over a year

>now. Works fabulously.

>

>Ron

>

>betaine_hcl <no_reply > wrote:

>

>I tried oral DHEA when I was younger it seemed to help

>libido but now all it does is make my breasts itch.

>If one took DHEA trandermally as opposed to orally

>it would be a better route. I supposely had dose

>titrated by DHEA tests which were 150 dollars a pop.

>It took 75 mgs orally to raise much. I could tell

>the Doc did not like the dose!! No comment though.

>He didn't test estrogens

>again like he should have. And that dose just made

>my breast itch and seemed to irritant the prostate.

>That adventure cost me in excess of 800 dollars and likely

>over 1000. Later, I trimmed the dose to 50 then 25 then 0.

>

>DHEA maybe better for women?

>

>> >What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

>> >

>> >My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high

>after

>> >taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether

>there

>> >is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

>> >

>> >Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

>> >

>> >WF

>> >

November 7, 2005

does getting your DHEA up to mid range help with Low T issues? what'st the link

between the two (DHEA and total T)?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:For me that is to low I take this

and it has me up to 315 range 80 to 560 ug/dL on a test of DHEA-SO4.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

I take it just before I eat lunch.

Her is a link on it.

http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C11446.html

Phil

Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

what function does DHEA play? my levels are 159 (range 80-569). is that

considered normal?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

You are just lucky your body is making it and working dam good.

Phil

wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high after

taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether there

is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

WF

November 7, 2005

When women use DHEA it converts into Testosterone and if she was low that is

what made her feel better.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

Works fabuously at what? What symptoms did it cure for her, or what

benefits does she now see from it?

> Re: high DHEA

>

>My wife has been taking DHEA 25 mg. daily for well over a year

>now. Works fabulously.

>

>Ron

>

>betaine_hcl <no_reply > wrote:

>

>I tried oral DHEA when I was younger it seemed to help

>libido but now all it does is make my breasts itch.

>If one took DHEA trandermally as opposed to orally

>it would be a better route. I supposely had dose

>titrated by DHEA tests which were 150 dollars a pop.

>It took 75 mgs orally to raise much. I could tell

>the Doc did not like the dose!! No comment though.

>He didn't test estrogens

>again like he should have. And that dose just made

>my breast itch and seemed to irritant the prostate.

>That adventure cost me in excess of 800 dollars and likely

>over 1000. Later, I trimmed the dose to 50 then 25 then 0.

>

>DHEA maybe better for women?

>

>> >What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

>> >

>> >My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high

>after

>> >taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether

>there

>> >is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

>> >

>> >Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

>> >

>> >WF

>> >

November 7, 2005

i take it this stuff is non-prescription. i didn't realize DHEA was linked to T

levels. I'll go ahead and purchase this stuff as it's the only level that is

considered low in lab given ranges. all my other stuff is right around the

median for lab ranges given with exception of LH (slightly on the higher side

but well within range).

Thanks for your post.

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

For me that is to low I take this and it has me up to 315 range 80 to 560 ug/dL

on a test of DHEA-SO4.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

I take it just before I eat lunch.

Her is a link on it.

http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C11446.html

Phil

Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

what function does DHEA play? my levels are 159 (range 80-569). is that

considered normal?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

You are just lucky your body is making it and working dam good.

Phil

wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high after

taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether there

is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

WF

November 7, 2005

Not for me my levels stayed the same but my fatigue got better.

Phil

Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

does getting your DHEA up to mid range help with Low T issues? what'st the link

between the two (DHEA and total T)?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:For me that is to low I take this

and it has me up to 315 range 80 to 560 ug/dL on a test of DHEA-SO4.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

I take it just before I eat lunch.

Her is a link on it.

http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C11446.html

Phil

Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

what function does DHEA play? my levels are 159 (range 80-569). is that

considered normal?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

You are just lucky your body is making it and working dam good.

Phil

wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high after

taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether there

is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

WF

November 7, 2005

DHEA is a precursor hormone, the body converts it to any of several

different hormones, including testosterone AND estrogen.

The book ADRENAL FATIGUE has a pretty good description of this...and

also how testosterone is made in the adrenal glands as well as the

testicles.

> Re: high DHEA

>

>i take it this stuff is non-prescription. i didn't realize

>DHEA was linked to T levels. I'll go ahead and purchase this

>stuff as it's the only level that is considered low in lab

>given ranges. all my other stuff is right around the median

>for lab ranges given with exception of LH (slightly on the

>higher side but well within range).

>

>Thanks for your post.

>

>philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>For me that is to low I take this and it has me up to 315

>range 80 to 560 ug/dL on a test of DHEA-SO4.

>http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

>I take it just before I eat lunch.

>Her is a link on it. http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C11446.html

>Phil

>

>Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

>what function does DHEA play? my levels are 159 (range

>80-569). is that considered normal?

>

>philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>You are just lucky your body is making it and working dam good. Phil

>

>wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

>What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

>

>My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high after

>taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether there

>is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

>

>Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

>

>WF

>

November 7, 2005

If your primary and go on HCG your adrenal glands will make T.

Phil

Dave <daultman@...> wrote:

DHEA is a precursor hormone, the body converts it to any of several

different hormones, including testosterone AND estrogen.

The book ADRENAL FATIGUE has a pretty good description of this...and

also how testosterone is made in the adrenal glands as well as the

testicles.

> Re: high DHEA

>

>i take it this stuff is non-prescription. i didn't realize

>DHEA was linked to T levels. I'll go ahead and purchase this

>stuff as it's the only level that is considered low in lab

>given ranges. all my other stuff is right around the median

>for lab ranges given with exception of LH (slightly on the

>higher side but well within range).

>

>Thanks for your post.

>

>philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>For me that is to low I take this and it has me up to 315

>range 80 to 560 ug/dL on a test of DHEA-SO4.

>http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

>I take it just before I eat lunch.

>Her is a link on it. http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C11446.html

>Phil

>

>Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

>what function does DHEA play? my levels are 159 (range

>80-569). is that considered normal?

>

>philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>You are just lucky your body is making it and working dam good. Phil

>

>wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

>What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

>

>My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high after

>taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether there

>is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

>

>Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

>

>WF

>

November 7, 2005

Remember the bioavailability of oral DHEA is a mere 3% which means

that you are actually getting only 3/4 of a mg from that 25mg capsule

that you are swallowing.

If you take the powder from that gelcap and mix it with lotion or

petroleum jelly and rub it into your skin, you are likely to get 8mg

of this androgen. The transdermal absorption rate is 33%.

A lot of other factors can effect DHEA levels besides direct DHEA

supplementation. Hormones morph into one another constantly

(intracrinology).

The excerpt below from a recent study of hormone blood level

measurements elaborates on this.

I have a larger portion of the text from this study on my web page

(finally finished) about the unreliability of blood level hormone

testing at

http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/HormoneTests.html

(This webpage explains our prevailing belief in the futility of

hormone tests as a guide for determining my husband's optimal dose of

Letrozole (aromatase inhibitor) in answer to those who recommended

testing.

BTW he's doing much better. Obviously E2 levels are on the rise.

(Perhaps by now probably back up too high.) Fatigue has diminished

and libido and erectile function restored. Next week he plans to

resume the therapy at a greatly reduced dose. Will post again as to

progress.

The excerpt about DHEA levels:

" Traditionally, circulating hormone levels have been used as the main

indicators of tissue exposure. However, intracrinology plays a

pivotal role in androgen metabolism, such that the active androgens

exert their effects in the same cells in which they are synthesized,

without release into the pericellular compartment. DHEA and DHEAS are

converted in extragonadal target tissues, such as the brain, bone,

and adipose, either to androstenedione or testosterone that may then

be aromatized to estrone or estradiol or converted by 5-reductase to

dihydrotestosterone in the same cells. Thus androgenic effects vary

according to individual variations in the amount and activity of the

enzymes 5-reductase and aromatase, and individual differences in the

androgen-receptor response. "

Circulating Androgen Levels and Self-reported Sexual Function in

Women

R. , MD, PhD; L. on, MD; Donath, MA;

Robin J. Bell, MD, PhD

JAMA. 2005;294:91-96. Access via PURCHASE ACCESS

Vol. 294 No. 1, July 6, 2005 http://jama.ama-

assn.org/cgi/content/full/294/1/91

November 8, 2005

Just as a side note -

wouldn't taking DHEA in an oral form be similar to taking T orally?

Drake

>

> Remember the bioavailability of oral DHEA is a mere 3% which means

> that you are actually getting only 3/4 of a mg from that 25mg

capsule

> that you are swallowing.

>

> If you take the powder from that gelcap and mix it with lotion or

> petroleum jelly and rub it into your skin, you are likely to get

8mg

> of this androgen. The transdermal absorption rate is 33%.

>

> A lot of other factors can effect DHEA levels besides direct DHEA

> supplementation. Hormones morph into one another constantly

> (intracrinology).

>

> The excerpt below from a recent study of hormone blood level

> measurements elaborates on this.

>

> I have a larger portion of the text from this study on my web page

> (finally finished) about the unreliability of blood level hormone

> testing at

> http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/HormoneTests.html

> (This webpage explains our prevailing belief in the futility of

> hormone tests as a guide for determining my husband's optimal dose

of

> Letrozole (aromatase inhibitor) in answer to those who recommended

> testing.

>

> BTW he's doing much better. Obviously E2 levels are on the rise.

> (Perhaps by now probably back up too high.) Fatigue has diminished

> and libido and erectile function restored. Next week he plans to

> resume the therapy at a greatly reduced dose. Will post again as

to

> progress.

>

> The excerpt about DHEA levels:

> " Traditionally, circulating hormone levels have been used as the

main

> indicators of tissue exposure. However, intracrinology plays a

> pivotal role in androgen metabolism, such that the active

androgens

> exert their effects in the same cells in which they are

synthesized,

> without release into the pericellular compartment. DHEA and DHEAS

are

> converted in extragonadal target tissues, such as the brain, bone,

> and adipose, either to androstenedione or testosterone that may

then

> be aromatized to estrone or estradiol or converted by 5-reductase

to

> dihydrotestosterone in the same cells. Thus androgenic effects

vary

> according to individual variations in the amount and activity of

the

> enzymes 5-reductase and aromatase, and individual differences in

the

> androgen-receptor response. "

>

> Circulating Androgen Levels and Self-reported Sexual Function in

> Women

> R. , MD, PhD; L. on, MD; Donath, MA;

> Robin J. Bell, MD, PhD

> JAMA. 2005;294:91-96. Access via PURCHASE ACCESS

> Vol. 294 No. 1, July 6, 2005 http://jama.ama-

> assn.org/cgi/content/full/294/1/91

>

November 8, 2005

i went to GNC and saw the DHEA vitamins...25mg time release. the guy behind the

counter is taking them. he says it converts to T and has a positive effect for

him. he's 40 ish years old..no T levels checked but knows he's declining as he

ages. i bought some vitamins and will be taking them. i wonder if i should take

separate from the TRT..maybe give this stuff a try first for a week or so to see

if there's a positive effect...and if not, than continue with the TRT. reason

being is my testes are currently producting T..just not at high levels as i

want.

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Not for me my levels stayed the same but my fatigue got better.

Phil

Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

does getting your DHEA up to mid range help with Low T issues? what'st the link

between the two (DHEA and total T)?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:For me that is to low I take this

and it has me up to 315 range 80 to 560 ug/dL on a test of DHEA-SO4.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

I take it just before I eat lunch.

Her is a link on it.

http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C11446.html

Phil

Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

what function does DHEA play? my levels are 159 (range 80-569). is that

considered normal?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

You are just lucky your body is making it and working dam good.

Phil

wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high after

taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether there

is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

WF

November 8, 2005

>

> i went to GNC and saw the DHEA vitamins...25mg time release. the

guy behind the counter is taking them. he says it converts to T and

has a positive effect for him. he's 40 ish years old..no T levels

checked but knows he's declining as he ages. i bought some vitamins

and will be taking them. i wonder if i should take separate from the

TRT..maybe give this stuff a try first for a week or so to see if

there's a positive effect...and if not, than continue with the TRT.

reason being is my testes are currently producting T..just not at high

levels as i want.

>

If you discontinue t, use the time to get diagnostic tests (primary

vs secondary). I wouldn't try to rely on DHEA as a substitute for

trt. There is a big difference between " can convert " and " does

convert " . Testosterone is made from cholesterol. Having high

cholesterol doesn't necessarily mean you have high testosterone. At

this point you don't know what testosterone levels will even be needed

to address your symptoms.

Brad

November 8, 2005

>

> Just as a side note -

>

> wouldn't taking DHEA in an oral form be similar to taking T orally?

>

> Drake

>

hmm. Not exactly. Taking oral DHEA did boost my DHEA-S rather

effectively. Taking unmodified t orally doesn't boost your t levels

effectively because the liver metabolizes the t on first pass. A huge

dose might work.

Brad

November 8, 2005

good point brad. thanks for the info. i guess like Phil, i can do both the DHEA

and TRT. it shouldn't hurt...and my E2 readings are 17 after week of TRT..while

my DHT is 300pts over the max (range 100 - 550)...can care less about the MPB.

in my earlier posts i mentioned i was back to normal...and that was after 10

days of TRT..i discontinued though cuz i felt bloated....and then 2 days later i

started feeling so good and felt good for abou a week before getting back to

before the TRT...i should've stuck with it and let my body get adjusted to it

and wait the bloated feeling out. i guess i'll do both for a while and go from

there. dhea vitamins can't hurt..and im only doing the 50mg Testim (5g tube of

Testim1%).

thanks again for posts.

brad999us <no_reply > wrote: