Re: high DHEA

[Guest guest]

,

Based on Dr. Poesnecker's books, it's not possible to say what your

high DHEA means without a simultaneous measurement of cortisol at

several times during the day, as in the Diagnos-techs Adrenal Stress

Index saliva test. If your cortisol is also elevated, then Dr.

Poesnecker would say that you are in Stage 1 of adrenal fatigue. If

the cortisol level is normal, and you have not been taking

supplementary DHEA, then he would say that you are in Stage 6.

Stage 1 is not too serious. It means that you are under stress, and

that your HPA axis is responding appropriately, increasing the

levels of both cortisol and DHEA. If you continue in this status

for a long time, however, you could develop more serious adrenal

fatigue. If you can relieve your stress, and take nutrients to

support your adrenals, you will probably come back into the normal

range.

Stage 6 is much further along in the adrenal fatigue process, and it

takes a lot more time and effort to restore a person in Stage 6 to

normal. Dr. Poesnecker discusses his treatments of this condition

in his books. His website is www.chronicfatigue.org.

Rich

> Hi

> Does anyone know what the implications of high DHEA are . Does it

mean

> overactive immune system?

> Here are some results that checked some hormones

> The edocronoligist said

> " I am not too certain what is the significance of the increased

DHEA

> because most studies show a decreased level to be significant "

>

> NR = normal range

>

> Testosterone = 17.78 nmol/L (NR 9.90-27.8)

> FSH = 6.0 NR = 1.7-8.6 ,

> LH = 3.8 IU/L NR = 1.5-12.4

> DHEASO4 = 8.8 umol/L (NR 2.6-7.7)

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

I would like to make one more note about this. Saliva test showed low DHEA

for me. I know that I am low in DHEA because of the symptoms. Than an

endocrinologist wanted to know my DHEA Sulphate. It came out normal. This

once more indicates to me that saliva test gives better results. Of course

mainstream doctors don't accept it. Today I visited another endocrinologist.

He definately refused to accept my saliva test. God! I am so dissapointed.

Thanks.

Nil

Re: High DHEA

| ,

|

| Based on Dr. Poesnecker's books, it's not possible to say what your

| high DHEA means without a simultaneous measurement of cortisol at

| several times during the day, as in the Diagnos-techs Adrenal Stress

| Index saliva test. If your cortisol is also elevated, then Dr.

| Poesnecker would say that you are in Stage 1 of adrenal fatigue. If

| the cortisol level is normal, and you have not been taking

| supplementary DHEA, then he would say that you are in Stage 6.

|

| Stage 1 is not too serious. It means that you are under stress, and

| that your HPA axis is responding appropriately, increasing the

| levels of both cortisol and DHEA. If you continue in this status

| for a long time, however, you could develop more serious adrenal

| fatigue. If you can relieve your stress, and take nutrients to

| support your adrenals, you will probably come back into the normal

| range.

|

| Stage 6 is much further along in the adrenal fatigue process, and it

| takes a lot more time and effort to restore a person in Stage 6 to

| normal. Dr. Poesnecker discusses his treatments of this condition

| in his books. His website is www.chronicfatigue.org.

|

| Rich

|

|

|

| > Hi

| > Does anyone know what the implications of high DHEA are . Does it

| mean

| > overactive immune system?

| > Here are some results that checked some hormones

| > The edocronoligist said

| > " I am not too certain what is the significance of the increased

| DHEA

| > because most studies show a decreased level to be significant "

| >

| > NR = normal range

| >

| > Testosterone = 17.78 nmol/L (NR 9.90-27.8)

| > FSH = 6.0 NR = 1.7-8.6 ,

| > LH = 3.8 IU/L NR = 1.5-12.4

| > DHEASO4 = 8.8 umol/L (NR 2.6-7.7)

| > Thanks

| >

|

|

|

| This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

|

|

[Guest guest]

I can't interpret your results, but I also have high urine DHEA, but

also high urine cortisol.

Kell

> Do any of you have high DHEA levels? I have had urine and saliva

test showing my DHEA is triple what the top ref. number should

be...way off the charts high. My cortisol is low, way low. My blood

DHEA is on the low end of normal. What does this high DHEA

indicate? Also my ACTH is low and I thought DHEA reflected that

level. Too confusing.

>

> Thanks,

> suzanne

>

>

[Guest guest]

How was your cortisol test done?

Urine,blood or saliva?

What is your exhaustion level?May I ask?

I am not sure as I am not an expert but It seems that you may be at level 6 of

adrenal exhaustion. That is when adrenals are so tired to use the DHEA produced.

Adrenals normally use some of the DHEA produced in production of other hormones

if they get tired that can not do that and DHEA starts to accumulate.In that

case one should not take Pregnenolone or DHEA supplement.

For some more info check charts at

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI.html

High DHEA

Do any of you have high DHEA levels? I have had urine and saliva test showing

my DHEA is triple what the top ref. number should be...way off the charts high.

My cortisol is low, way low. My blood DHEA is on the low end of normal. What

does this high DHEA indicate? Also my ACTH is low and I thought DHEA

reflected that level. Too confusing.

Thanks,

suzanne

[Guest guest]

Nil,

I have had my cortisol checked in blood, urine and saliva, it is low in all 3

lately. My last ASI which was a few months ago before my DHEA started to rise I

was between level 4 and 5. Maybe you are right I could be stage 6. What can I

do now to stop myself from slipping? My ACTH in my blood is low that is why I

don't have cortisol. I just don't know what to do to stop it from going lower.

My DHEA on this latest saliva (it was a great smokies lab) was 577 and the top

of the ref range was 277...so I am way high.. In the urine it was double the top

reference range. If you have any ideas please let me know.

Thanks,

Suzanne

High DHEA

Do any of you have high DHEA levels? I have had urine and saliva test

showing my DHEA is triple what the top ref. number should be...way off the

charts high. My cortisol is low, way low. My blood DHEA is on the low end of

normal. What does this high DHEA indicate? Also my ACTH is low and I thought

DHEA reflected that level. Too confusing.

Thanks,

suzanne

[Guest guest]

ne,

I wished I knew the answer.Actually I have some idea on the answer but good

results are very hard to accomplish. I am also moving in between stage 4/5/6 and

seven since 4 years.I could not accomplish to move further backwards.

I could not remember what type of treatment protocol you are following. If you

prefer alternative and mainstream therapies? If you are interested in

alternative therapies you may be able to get some help from alternative med

practitioners.One of them was Dr. Poesnecker from whom I have learned all the

info I have.He has explained all these in his book `Chronic Fatigue Unmasked

2000`. I wished you could get the book. It is something like 12 dollars and it

worth. You may read the book and than decide what to do.Or you may start by

checking his web site www.chronicfatigue.org. There is many articles which might

give you an idea on the treatment protocol. There are also some other

practitioners who accept and treat adrenal exhaustion.

If I try to summarize his approach.

For stage 5, 6 or 7 patients

It is supporting the body by giving the missing cortisol from outside. He

prefers using natural cortisone which is adrenal cortex extracts.

Supporting the body by giving missing DHEA by either using Pregnenolone or

directly DHEA depending in the gender and reaction of the patient.(Not for stage

6 patients)

Supporting the body by giving other vits and nutrients needed.

Handling allergies,infections,liver pancreas problems and other stress sources

on the adrenals.

Handling sleep problems if there are any.

These make the patient feel better.

Mean while if over activity exists agents like Seriphos is used to stop it.

The aim is to give adrenals some time to rest and allow them to regenerate.

Some adrenal regeneration agents like adrenal glandulars are used to help

adrenal regeneration.

and almost most important of all patient learns how to lower the stress level.

This is not a quick fix program.Need life style changes which is very hard to

accomplish sometimes.reduction of stress sources on adrenals is essential.Like

psychological,intellectual,chemical,physical stresses.

If you prefer mainstream docs I unfortunately don't know one who treats adrenal

exhaustion.

As I said above if you are interested in alternative adrenal support therapies

it is very essential to get some info on exact nature of illness.Just getting

some adrenal supplements may not help.Therapy is complicated and has many

aspects. That is the truth so I needed to say that not to give you false hope.

Please ask if you need more info.

I wish you good luck.

Nil

High DHEA

Do any of you have high DHEA levels? I have had urine and saliva test

showing my DHEA is triple what the top ref. number should be...way off the

charts high. My cortisol is low, way low. My blood DHEA is on the low end of

normal. What does this high DHEA indicate? Also my ACTH is low and I thought

DHEA reflected that level. Too confusing.

Thanks,

suzanne

[Guest guest]

Nil,

Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it. I am concerned that I may have

secondary adrenal insufficiency. With my ACTH being low doesn't that point to

the pituatary as the problem. Could these things still help me or do I have to

take Cortef. I have taken it in the past and really don't want to take it

again. Is there a difference in the primary and secondary treatments going the

alternative route? What is your ACTH normally?

Thanks,

Suzanne

High DHEA

Do any of you have high DHEA levels? I have had urine and saliva test

showing my DHEA is triple what the top ref. number should be...way off the

charts high. My cortisol is low, way low. My blood DHEA is on the low end of

normal. What does this high DHEA indicate? Also my ACTH is low and I thought

DHEA reflected that level. Too confusing.

Thanks,

suzanne

[Guest guest]

Suzzane,

My DHEA-S is also very high and my cortisol low. A research report out a few

months ago found many CFS patients had elevated DHEA. Your low ACTH is

probably caused by pituitary insufficiency, common in CFS.

Regards, Blake Graham

High DHEA

> Do any of you have high DHEA levels? I have had urine and saliva test

showing my DHEA is triple what the top ref. number should be...way off the

charts high. My cortisol is low, way low. My blood DHEA is on the low end

of normal. What does this high DHEA indicate? Also my ACTH is low and I

thought DHEA reflected that level. Too confusing.

>

> Thanks,

> suzanne

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzanne,

Do you have a reason to have secondary insuff.? There are couple of things that

causes it of which one of them is long term usage of cortiscosteroids. One of my

friends has an important brain surgery and was given high doses of

corticosteroids right after the operation. She was very tired afterwards and it

took her about 6 months to recover.She did not take anything. Just rested. her

resting was different than ours. She did not have hyperactivity periods we have.

She laid down for weeks calmly.Our case is little different. We lay down when we

don't have any cortisol but at the first instance of some recovery we start

having hyperactivity problem and we exhaust ourselves again.If one can carefully

observe himself, he will see the difference.

I did not have ACTH test as I know that it is very hard on adrenals and I am not

sure of ACTH is high at CFS`ers or not,or if it is high at some times and low at

other times.Blake says that pituitary insufficiency is common in CFS. That is

interesting. I would like to know if that applies to all cases or only to high

level patients or if this changes at different times.I know that lately I am

exhausted whole day for weeks and than after getting rest I start having

hyperactivity bouts. This shows me that my ACTH secretion is not always low.If

my ACTH is high when I am at my hyper periods than how is it when I am bed

bound? I don't know that. It is either my ACTH is low at those times or my ACTH

is high but my adrenals can not respond. If anybody brings any clarification to

that I would be grateful. I personally was thinking that my ACTH was always

high but my adrenals sometimes could not respond because they were so tired.So,

Blake's statement was really interesting for me.

Blake,

If you have more info on low acth secretion at CFs people could you please give

me the info. I would be really interested.

The philosophy behind taking cortef or these natural compounds is the same. Only

difference is that, some, like me, thinks natural compounds are

better.Still,dosage should be monitored carefully for both and we need to calm

down hyperactivity problem if it exists. If we can not calm down the

hyperactivity,taking cortef of other cortisol compounds will not help in the

long run because energy will be spend by us as it comes,no resting and thus no

regeneration of adrenals will occur.

`Is there a difference in the primary and secondary treatments going the

alternative route?`

I did not really understand that question. Could you please explain?If you mean

primary and secondary adrenal insufficiency I don't know how alternative

practitioners handle it. Our case is different. It is adrenal exhaustion and is

not accepted by mainstream docs as primary and secondary adrenal insufficiency

is.

What is your activity level at this point? if you don't mind?

Still,the best thing I would say at this point would be taking opinion of

alternative care practitioner. If you have your saliva,ACTH and other tests in

hand you will have to pay only for consultation and that must not be so

much.Starting cortef or other endocrine supplements yourself might be risky.

Best regards.

Nil

High DHEA

Do any of you have high DHEA levels? I have had urine and saliva test

showing my DHEA is triple what the top ref. number should be...way off the

charts high. My cortisol is low, way low. My blood DHEA is on the low end of

normal. What does this high DHEA indicate? Also my ACTH is low and I thought

DHEA reflected that level. Too confusing.

Thanks,

suzanne

[Guest guest]

Nil,

The reason I worry about secondary insufficiency is because I took cortef for 7

months about a year and a half ago. I took 5mg am and 10mg pm. (i didn't know

I wasn't supposed to take it at night, apparently neither did my doctor). After

7 months I weined off it and for the next 6 months or so I was between stage 2

and 4, bouncing back and forth on the ASI. My cortisol was high a lot of the

time. Then about 8 months AFTER I got off Cortef my ACTH and Cotrisol shut

down. I'm guessing that if it were caused by the steriods wouldn't it have

happened right after I got off them?

My activitiy level now is none. I am so tired I can hardly move anymore. My

muslces are so weak I have to pause every few seconds while brushing my teeth

because my arm is exhausted. Plus I feel like I am fighting an infection

again, so I feel like I am dying. I also have a lot of autonomic problems with

PVC " s all day, not sure how much of that is adrenal related. Do you think my

low ACTH is not related to me taking cortef? I'm really concerned about that.

Thanks,

Suzanne

High DHEA

Do any of you have high DHEA levels? I have had urine and saliva

test showing my DHEA is triple what the top ref. number should be...way off the

charts high. My cortisol is low, way low. My blood DHEA is on the low end of

normal. What does this high DHEA indicate? Also my ACTH is low and I thought

DHEA reflected that level. Too confusing.

Thanks,

suzanne

[Guest guest]

Hi ne,

I am not an expert on Cortef but as I also think Cortef may not be the cause in

your case.8 months is too much,if it was the cause the effect should be seen

much earlier. There may be many other causes for your worsening like other

supplements,illnesses. Or may be it was the natural course of the illness. Once

one is in stage 4 life is very difficult to handle so worsening is almost

inevitable if one is not in hands of someone who knows the illness well.

I can not advise you any supplements but you do seem to need help ad I wished

you would talk to someone who knows what he is doing.I would not dare to take

any hormonal supplements myself at least at the beginning.

Wish you the best.

Please ask if you need to know anything else.

Nil

Re: High DHEA

Nil,

The reason I worry about secondary insufficiency is because I took cortef for

7 months about a year and a half ago. I took 5mg am and 10mg pm. (i didn't

know I wasn't supposed to take it at night, apparently neither did my doctor).

After 7 months I weined off it

[Guest guest]

hi i have had high dhea blood levels in the past , at one point over 300

which both my alternative people felt was very good ..i think they

mentioned some kind of protection for the inflammatory process in my body

but the conventional mds are alarmed at it being so high..at that point i

was was taking 40 but not greater than 50 units of sublingual and /or cream

dhea divided in two doses but as my allergys got worse my dhea dropped down

to the 200 range and i had to stop dhea a year or so ago due to a new

fibroid growth but am waiting to see if my ob /gyn will put me back on

hormone replacement thearpy and /or dhea again...

actually being on growth homrone may have changed this all now .

tealk

> [Original Message]

> From: pine108kell <Peacefind@...>

> < >

> Date: 6/9/2004 2:30:20 PM

> Subject: Re: High DHEA

>

> I can't interpret your results, but I also have high urine DHEA, but

> also high urine cortisol.

>

> Kell

>

>

> > Do any of you have high DHEA levels? I have had urine and saliva

> test showing my DHEA is triple what the top ref. number should

> be...way off the charts high. My cortisol is low, way low. My blood

> DHEA is on the low end of normal. What does this high DHEA

> indicate? Also my ACTH is low and I thought DHEA reflected that

> level. Too confusing.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > suzanne

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> Nil,

>

> Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it. I am concerned that I

may have secondary adrenal insufficiency. With my ACTH being low

doesn't that point to the pituatary as the problem. Could these

things still help me or do I have to take Cortef. I have taken it

in the past and really don't want to take it again. Is there a

difference in the primary and secondary treatments going the

alternative route? What is your ACTH normally?

>

> Thanks,

> Suzanne

Hi Suzanne

There is no question about it high DHEA shows that your adrenals

have been under stress and under functioning for a very long time.

Nil gave you the reference from the Chronic Fatigue organisation and

Dr Peatfield also writes about this in his book.

It was the same with me but after 6 months on 2.5mg Prednisone my

DHEA is now back in range for the whole of the 24 hours and this is

the first time this has ever happened.

Also my hair is regrowing after my having been nearly bald and also

I am now really feeling well and able to walk, cycle and swim

everyday. I am now a " normal " person.

I had my amalgam fillings removed 2 years ago plus I chelated with

alpha lipoic acid to get the mercury out. I am continuing to do

this cos it takes so long to get rid of it all.

My website gives further info www.bertiedog.com and I have also

started a new called adrenalfatigue where we can

discuss all issues related to worn out,underfunctioning adrenals.

Best Wishes

Pam

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Is hair loss sign of high DHEA?

Thanks

Nil

Re: High DHEA

> Nil,

>

> Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it. I am concerned that I

may have secondary adrenal insufficiency. With my ACTH being low

doesn't that point to the pituatary as the problem. Could these

things still help me or do I have to take Cortef. I have taken it

in the past and really don't want to take it again. Is there a

difference in the primary and secondary treatments going the

alternative route? What is your ACTH normally?

>

[Guest guest]

> Pam,

>

> Is hair loss sign of high DHEA?

>

> Thanks

>

> Nil

Hi Nil

Yes it was in my case. There also seems to be a genetic link in my

case cos my Mum and Nana both had this by the time they were in

their 40s. However it is highly likely they were both hypothyroid

too and untreated. So perhaps some of us have a genetic disposition

to our hormone systems shunting progesterone into testosterone

instead of estradiol/cortisol.

Anyway its so lovely to not be embarrassed any longer about my

hair. There is new hair growth everywhere.

Best Wishes

Pam

[Guest guest]

Strangely I had some hair loss problem last year. I could not figure out what

the cause was. At that time I was taking additional pregnenolone. It could be

that my DHEA was high at that time.My hair is okay now. Loss is stopped.

Have you noticed any other signs of high DHEA?

Thanks.

Nil

Re: High DHEA

> Pam,

>

> Is hair loss sign of high DHEA?

>

> Thanks

>

> Nil

Hi Nil

Yes it was in my case. There also seems to be a genetic link in my

case cos my Mum and Nana both had this by the time they were in

their 40s. However it is highly likely they were both hypothyroid

too and untreated. So perhaps some of us have a genetic disposition

to our hormone systems shunting progesterone into testosterone

instead of estradiol/cortisol.

Anyway its so lovely to not be embarrassed any longer about my

hair. There is new hair growth everywhere.

Best Wishes

Pam

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

> Strangely I had some hair loss problem last year. I could not

figure out what the cause was. At that time I was taking additional

pregnenolone. It could be that my DHEA was high at that time.My hair

is okay now. Loss is stopped.

>

> Have you noticed any other signs of high DHEA?

>

> Thanks.

> Nil

Hi Nil

Yes it left me with very, very low cortisol, not enough for me to be

able to get through the day in a normal way plus my sleep was very

poor with frequent waking every night for 11 years! Now I have the

tiny bit of Prednisolone plus the other natural adrenal support

(plus 1/2 grain Armour and 0.25 thyroxine) I can carry on from 7 am -

11 pm and have a normal sleep pattern.

Best Wishes

Pam

[Guest guest]

> I have quite severe hair loss and I have never had mercury

fillings and my Dhea is low. I started taking 25 mgs of DHEA and my

endocrinologists raised this to 50 mgs. My DHEA (after another 24

hour salivary test) is now within the normal range - but my hair is

STILL coming out.

>

> I was told to try Silica 2500 plus as this is supposed to be good

for skin, hair and nails. Don't yet know about hair and skin but my

nails are absolutely rock - I can hardly file or cut them they are

SO hard. Just why do we lose hair in this way.It can be so

distressing. I now wear a wig - ALL the time, but everyone thinks

my hair is just lovely. It is just so hot during summer.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

Hi Sheila

My hair loss didn't improve until I took the 5mg Prednisolone

starting last June. It is still improving with lots of new hair and

that is still happening on the lower dose of 2.5 mg. Could it be

you are too low in cortisol too? (The hydrocortisone didn't help

much only Prednisolone for some reason).

BTW Didn't you say you played with mercury as a child?

Best Wishes

Pam

[Guest guest]

You are just lucky your body is making it and working dam good.

Phil

wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high after

taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether there

is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

WF

[Guest guest]

what function does DHEA play? my levels are 159 (range 80-569). is that

considered normal?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

You are just lucky your body is making it and working dam good.

Phil

wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high after

taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether there

is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

WF

[Guest guest]

Can't DHEA convert to estrogen? Mine was low, but Dr told me not

to supplement because of e conversion...

> Re: high DHEA

>

>

>You are just lucky your body is making it and working dam good. Phil

>

>wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

>What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

>

>My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high after

>taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether there

>is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

>

>Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

>

>WF

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I tried oral DHEA when I was younger it seemed to help

libido but now all it does is make my breasts itch.

If one took DHEA trandermally as opposed to orally

it would be a better route. I supposely had dose

titrated by DHEA tests which were 150 dollars a pop.

It took 75 mgs orally to raise much. I could tell

the Doc did not like the dose!! No comment though.

He didn't test estrogens

again like he should have. And that dose just made

my breast itch and seemed to irritant the prostate.

That adventure cost me in excess of 800 dollars and likely

over 1000. Later, I trimmed the dose to 50 then 25 then 0.

DHEA maybe better for women?

> >What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

> >

> >My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high

after

> >taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether

there

> >is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

> >

> >Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

> >

> >WF

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My wife has been taking DHEA 25 mg. daily for well over a year now. Works

fabulously.

Ron

betaine_hcl <no_reply > wrote:

I tried oral DHEA when I was younger it seemed to help

libido but now all it does is make my breasts itch.

If one took DHEA trandermally as opposed to orally

it would be a better route. I supposely had dose

titrated by DHEA tests which were 150 dollars a pop.

It took 75 mgs orally to raise much. I could tell

the Doc did not like the dose!! No comment though.

He didn't test estrogens

again like he should have. And that dose just made

my breast itch and seemed to irritant the prostate.

That adventure cost me in excess of 800 dollars and likely

over 1000. Later, I trimmed the dose to 50 then 25 then 0.

DHEA maybe better for women?

> >What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

> >

> >My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high

after

> >taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether

there

> >is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

> >

> >Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

> >

> >WF

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

DHEA has a bioavailability rate of 3% when taken orally. If your

wife is taking 25 mg that means she is actually getting only 3/4 of a

mg per dose.

The transdermal rate of DHEA jumps to 33%. If your wife emptied the

powder in that 25mg capsule into a dish, mixed it with petroleum

jelly or hand lotion and rubbed it into her skin, she would receive

an 8 mg dose.

Personally I insert a 5 mg capsule of DHEA vaginally and I expect I

am getting approx 2.5 mg of that dose. The mucus membrane absorption

rate is probably at least 50%.

Taking hormones by mouth is both inefficient and possibly dangerous.

The slightly higher risk of breast cancer associated with the WHI

women's HRT study has been attributed by some to the orally

administered progesterone. It is hypothesized that if progesterone

had been delivered as a vaginal insert, rather than passing through

the body via the digestive system, this risk would have been

eliminated. There is also a burden put on the liver by the intake of

oral hormones.

I conducted an informal trial comparing 6 mos use of DHEA with 6 mos

use of testosterone gel and could discern no difference. DHEA

effectively performed the same functions for me (healthy libido,

mental clarity, prevention of arthritic and muscle pain, etc) as

Testosterone. DHEA's effect was purely androgenic. Perhaps in an

estrogen deficient woman who was not taking supplemental estrogen as

I am, DHEA might convert into estrogen to fill the need.

My theory is that DHEA is no more likely than testosterone to convert

to estrogen in men, but that either androgen will convert if

circumstances are right for it. Trials have been done on older men

who displayed symptoms of low T and these men improved substantially

on DHEA. They were not on TRT. Men who are on TRT and add DHEA to

the mix have complained that their E2 levels rose as a result, but

this would probably also have happened if they had added more

supplemental testosterone. At least that is my guess, for what it's

worth.

[Guest guest]

For me that is to low I take this and it has me up to 315 range 80 to 560 ug/dL

on a test of DHEA-SO4.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

I take it just before I eat lunch.

Her is a link on it.

http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C11446.html

Phil

Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

what function does DHEA play? my levels are 159 (range 80-569). is that

considered normal?

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

You are just lucky your body is making it and working dam good.

Phil

wildfoxhunter <wildfoxhunter@...> wrote:

What could make DHEA go up if one is not taking a DHEA supplement?

My DHEA was high before starting 500iu hCG QD, and remained high after

taking it. What could make it read high, regardless of whether there

is high or low testosterone measured in the same blood sample?

Could it be some conversion enzyme is lacking?

WF