Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 I think it breaks and this is how it makes a mess. My wife gets mad at me for clipping it off. She was telling my daughter I did the and her husband was there they went home he went into the john and got his clippers out and did the same thing. So now that is my falt also. Phil Dave <daultman@...> wrote: Hey Phil, I hear you on the hair everywhere and being a pain. My ex used to complain about my pet cats getting hair all over the place in the house. I had to kick the cat out for a while, clean like crazy, and then show him how all the hair all over the place was from me, not the cat. Amazing how much I shed. Like I said in an earlier post, I have hair EVERYWHERE...except the palms and soles and forehead. And one weird place on my legs, in the very front of the shins, as if the socks rub it off there. > Re: hypo all the way > > >Savario I don't shave it I cut it with clippers to about 3/4 >of an inch lg. I had very little hair on my body before TRT >21 yrs. ago. Now it is every where in my bed on he floor and >a pain in the ass. So once a month I cut it down to 3/4 of an inch. > Phil > >Savario wrote: > Phil, >Not to contradict but I am a hairy man and I love all the hair >I have!! I don't think I would want any more hair but the hair >I have is my entire chest and abdomen legs and arms, and I >still have all my hair on my head. I do have two small patches >of hair on my back one on each side just below my ribs. no >hair on my ass and very little hair under my arms. Oh and a >full beard. I just want to say that I think that all this >shaving of hair is a sign of body dismorphic disorder. Be >happy with what you have and stop worrying about what you >don't. Life is much too short! Savario > > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 I just need to find the dam thing so I can pee. :-( Phil Dave <daultman@...> wrote: That was always a problem with me, finding a smooth part. OrEon used to shave his inner thigh to apply the gels. My main complaint with body hair is I get too hot...I'm bulit like a polar bear, and it's just too hot in LA for this kind of build. But I will not shave...it itches too much when it comes back. >I think part of men's complaints with their own body hair on this >forum stems from needing a hairless portion of skin that will better >absorb androgel. (Just one reason why a small dab of compounded 10% >strength T-gel is better than a handful of 1% androgel.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Phil, Hey just giving you a hard time LOL I hope you don't really think I care what you do with the hair on your body ;-) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 O dam I was just getting ready to send you some in the E-Mail :-) Phil Savario <savario2000@...> wrote: Phil, Hey just giving you a hard time LOL I hope you don't really think I care what you do with the hair on your body ;-) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Hey I know I was just giving Phil a ribbing is all. Of course there are those women who like the male hairy beast, it just seems as though either you are getting fewer in number or your not as vocal as those who prefer to have sex with someone who greatly resemble themselves. For me personally I prefer a man with chest hair and a happy trail, maybe a nicely trimmed beard. But that is my preference as some others of my community prefer smooth males and others prefer totally hairless, I find that for me hair is a turn on whereas no hair at all is a turn off. I LIKE MEN NOT BOYS, And no hair at all says boy to me, worse prepubecent boy. Oh and before I forget thank you again for the ALA/ALC tip for pets I tried it and it has only been two days and the tremmors are gone. That stuff is amazing!! Savario __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:48:30 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >Oh and before I forget thank you again for the ALA/ALC tip for pets I tried it and it has only been two days and the tremmors are gone. That stuff is amazing!! I missed this. Can you explain? Tremors? ALA/ALC helped with tremors? - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Cool. TRT grows hair. But for me 3 years of TRT did not. It did, but to a little extent. I have hair almost everywhere, but it is not dense or long enough to notice. And I did have it earlier, as natural hair, but then that was scarce too. TRT has just put on a little more. But it really does seem to have effect some times, like it did for you Phil. But why on earth would it not do the trick on me too. Either I am peculiar, or the hormone stuff study is not actually what it takes. I am planning to see that book retro said. Whew, these microcosms decide the fate of one whole life. > >Hi > >though I read often that secondary features like a deeper > >voice, facial hair, etc are all due to Testosterone, even when > >I had pumped my T to high levels and also with the estrogen > >and other things quite in normal range, these features do not > >change. A high pitched voice and scarce facial hair. The > >doctors I see say there is much more to it like heredity, > >race, this, that, etc, etc. Fine, but then what is the T, E > >and all the other things about? is m doubt. These > >seem-to-be-so-simple features are quite complex after all? > > > >I found a lot of info related, but none discuss it in detail > >or with focus to these. If any one knows, please help me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Genetics/ethnicity are part of the body hair equation as much as testosterone...if you're from a " hairless " ethnicity you're not going to get ape hairy just from TRT. > Re: hypo all the way > > >Cool. TRT grows hair. But for me 3 years of TRT did not. It >did, but to a little extent. I have hair almost everywhere, >but it is not dense or long enough to notice. And I did have >it earlier, as natural hair, but then that was scarce too. TRT >has just put on a little more. But it really does seem to have >effect some times, like it did for you Phil. But why on earth >would it not do the trick on me too. Either I am peculiar, or >the hormone stuff study is not actually what it takes. I am >planning to see that book retro said. Whew, these microcosms >decide the fate of one whole life. > > >> >Hi >> >though I read often that secondary features like a deeper >> >voice, facial hair, etc are all due to Testosterone, even when >> >I had pumped my T to high levels and also with the estrogen >> >and other things quite in normal range, these features do not >> >change. A high pitched voice and scarce facial hair. The >> >doctors I see say there is much more to it like heredity, >> >race, this, that, etc, etc. Fine, but then what is the T, E >> >and all the other things about? is m doubt. These >> >seem-to-be-so-simple features are quite complex after all? >> > >> >I found a lot of info related, but none discuss it in detail >> >or with focus to these. If any one knows, please help me know. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 No, I am from a hairy ethnicity. Though not like a bear, my siblings, father, grand father, cousins all have. One thing is, this is on the father's side. Mother's side, though most have sufficient hair, some do not. Does maternal traits affect male features? > >> >Hi > >> >though I read often that secondary features like a deeper > >> >voice, facial hair, etc are all due to Testosterone, even when > >> >I had pumped my T to high levels and also with the estrogen > >> >and other things quite in normal range, these features do not > >> >change. A high pitched voice and scarce facial hair. The > >> >doctors I see say there is much more to it like heredity, > >> >race, this, that, etc, etc. Fine, but then what is the T, E > >> >and all the other things about? is m doubt. These > >> >seem-to-be-so-simple features are quite complex after all? > >> > > >> >I found a lot of info related, but none discuss it in detail > >> >or with focus to these. If any one knows, please help me know. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 And when I say I am from a hairy group, it is not like too dense or too haory, but they have to shave atleast once in 2 days, if not daily. And none seem to have the high pitched voice I have, or the gynercosmastia I had (and removed by surgery). But I am (quite) tall though. So, in a group where everyone seems to be normal, and I am not, is the reason I went for TRT. It did help to put on muscles on the shoulder and chest, but nothing more. And it did make one other effect too, the ric and dense hair I had on top, is long gone! > >> >Hi > >> >though I read often that secondary features like a deeper > >> >voice, facial hair, etc are all due to Testosterone, even when > >> >I had pumped my T to high levels and also with the estrogen > >> >and other things quite in normal range, these features do not > >> >change. A high pitched voice and scarce facial hair. The > >> >doctors I see say there is much more to it like heredity, > >> >race, this, that, etc, etc. Fine, but then what is the T, E > >> >and all the other things about? is m doubt. These > >> >seem-to-be-so-simple features are quite complex after all? > >> > > >> >I found a lot of info related, but none discuss it in detail > >> >or with focus to these. If any one knows, please help me know. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Yes, you inherit genes from both parents. I read somewhere once that male pattern baldness came from your mother's side of the family, though I don't know that that's true. > Re: hypo all the way > > >No, I am from a hairy ethnicity. Though not like a bear, my >siblings, father, grand father, cousins all have. One thing >is, this is on the father's side. Mother's side, though most >have sufficient hair, some do not. Does maternal traits affect >male features? > > >> >> >Hi >> >> >though I read often that secondary features like a deeper voice, >> >> >facial hair, etc are all due to Testosterone, even when I had >> >> >pumped my T to high levels and also with the estrogen and other >> >> >things quite in normal range, these features do not >change. A high >> >> >pitched voice and scarce facial hair. The doctors I see >say there >> >> >is much more to it like heredity, race, this, that, etc, etc. >> >> >Fine, but then what is the T, E and all the other things >about? is >> >> >m doubt. These seem-to-be-so-simple features are quite complex >> >> >after all? >> >> > >> >> >I found a lot of info related, but none discuss it in detail or >> >> >with focus to these. If any one knows, please help me know. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 You didn't miss anything I ask her privately for advice about my pet and was thanking her for that advice is all. --------------------------------- DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:39:12 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >You didn't miss anything I ask her privately for advice about my pet and was thanking her for that advice is all. > > You got my hopes up . About the same time I found I needed TRT I developed a tremor. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Phil depression, anxiety, ED (to some level), fatigue, drooping confidence, disturbed concentration, are the feelings I have. I want to go out, but I cannot. My family is in my country and yet to join me (in few months). So, since I am alone, I wish I go out. But cannot. Just because of the problems I said in the first line. Socialising is something out of reach of my dreams even. I am on light lexapro (SSRI) for long. And I do some kind of self relaxing like meditation etc, which is the only thing that helps me live (the least) everyday. Work - something which I liked for long, is quite unineteresting. But I force myself to bring in the concentration and interest, else I may have to look for a job too apart from searching for an endo! In short, I am a living dead!!! Literally. > > Hi all > > happy new year. > > > > Short gist from my old posts: > > 1. 35 years old > > 1. was taking T-shots 200 mg biweekly for 3 years, total and free > T > > rocketed, E also pumped up, no great effect, felt let down for long > > 2. switched to another endo 3 months back. Suggested gel is better > > than shots. He stopped all TRT for 6 weeks, did lab tests, and > said > > would see me this week, when the results are ready, and most > likely > > prescribe gel. > > > > got results yesterday: > > total T - 333 (normal: 250 - 1100 ng/Dl) > > free T - 78.5 (normal: 35 - 155 pg/ml) > > % free T- 2.36 (normal: 1 - 3.1%) > > > > Now, when I was pinning all hopes to see him this week and get > that > > gel or whatever, I got a letter from him. Saying, .....all T > levels > > are normal, so no gel or shot (like just forget about it), do > > another lab test 2 months from now, and will see if the results > are > > steady or not, and then decide what to do.... > > > > So, stuck. I read many times that for an age like me, T should be > in > > upper high normals. I got all my hopes stumped. Atleast the old > one > > had me on active TRT. > > > > Any advise is welcome. > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 " Sam to read this makes me so dam mad I can't stand it " Phil that line of yours makes more sense and real to me now every minute. I am on a path to nowhere, and you have experienced it. Thanks for the info. As retro, said, I am going to ask the current doc to comment on the chart ranges retro has posted, and if he is getting off the track again, the first thing is stop the endo search and time waste and jump to Dr.. > > Hi all > > happy new year. > > > > Short gist from my old posts: > > 1. 35 years old > > 1. was taking T-shots 200 mg biweekly for 3 years, total and free > T > > rocketed, E also pumped up, no great effect, felt let down for long > > 2. switched to another endo 3 months back. Suggested gel is better > > than shots. He stopped all TRT for 6 weeks, did lab tests, and > said > > would see me this week, when the results are ready, and most > likely > > prescribe gel. > > > > got results yesterday: > > total T - 333 (normal: 250 - 1100 ng/Dl) > > free T - 78.5 (normal: 35 - 155 pg/ml) > > % free T- 2.36 (normal: 1 - 3.1%) > > > > Now, when I was pinning all hopes to see him this week and get > that > > gel or whatever, I got a letter from him. Saying, .....all T > levels > > are normal, so no gel or shot (like just forget about it), do > > another lab test 2 months from now, and will see if the results > are > > steady or not, and then decide what to do.... > > > > So, stuck. I read many times that for an age like me, T should be > in > > upper high normals. I got all my hopes stumped. Atleast the old > one > > had me on active TRT. > > > > Any advise is welcome. > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Sam what state or country are you in your need to find a better Dr. I was were you are and can tell you with help and the right treatment you will be fine. Phil Sam <m_singaram@...> wrote: Phil depression, anxiety, ED (to some level), fatigue, drooping confidence, disturbed concentration, are the feelings I have. I want to go out, but I cannot. My family is in my country and yet to join me (in few months). So, since I am alone, I wish I go out. But cannot. Just because of the problems I said in the first line. Socialising is something out of reach of my dreams even. I am on light lexapro (SSRI) for long. And I do some kind of self relaxing like meditation etc, which is the only thing that helps me live (the least) everyday. Work - something which I liked for long, is quite unineteresting. But I force myself to bring in the concentration and interest, else I may have to look for a job too apart from searching for an endo! In short, I am a living dead!!! Literally. > > Hi all > > happy new year. > > > > Short gist from my old posts: > > 1. 35 years old > > 1. was taking T-shots 200 mg biweekly for 3 years, total and free > T > > rocketed, E also pumped up, no great effect, felt let down for long > > 2. switched to another endo 3 months back. Suggested gel is better > > than shots. He stopped all TRT for 6 weeks, did lab tests, and > said > > would see me this week, when the results are ready, and most > likely > > prescribe gel. > > > > got results yesterday: > > total T - 333 (normal: 250 - 1100 ng/Dl) > > free T - 78.5 (normal: 35 - 155 pg/ml) > > % free T- 2.36 (normal: 1 - 3.1%) > > > > Now, when I was pinning all hopes to see him this week and get > that > > gel or whatever, I got a letter from him. Saying, .....all T > levels > > are normal, so no gel or shot (like just forget about it), do > > another lab test 2 months from now, and will see if the results > are > > steady or not, and then decide what to do.... > > > > So, stuck. I read many times that for an age like me, T should be > in > > upper high normals. I got all my hopes stumped. Atleast the old > one > > had me on active TRT. > > > > Any advise is welcome. > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Good Sam at least you have us I suffered for yrs trying to get good care. Phil Sam <m_singaram@...> wrote: " Sam to read this makes me so dam mad I can't stand it " Phil that line of yours makes more sense and real to me now every minute. I am on a path to nowhere, and you have experienced it. Thanks for the info. As retro, said, I am going to ask the current doc to comment on the chart ranges retro has posted, and if he is getting off the track again, the first thing is stop the endo search and time waste and jump to Dr.. > > Hi all > > happy new year. > > > > Short gist from my old posts: > > 1. 35 years old > > 1. was taking T-shots 200 mg biweekly for 3 years, total and free > T > > rocketed, E also pumped up, no great effect, felt let down for long > > 2. switched to another endo 3 months back. Suggested gel is better > > than shots. He stopped all TRT for 6 weeks, did lab tests, and > said > > would see me this week, when the results are ready, and most > likely > > prescribe gel. > > > > got results yesterday: > > total T - 333 (normal: 250 - 1100 ng/Dl) > > free T - 78.5 (normal: 35 - 155 pg/ml) > > % free T- 2.36 (normal: 1 - 3.1%) > > > > Now, when I was pinning all hopes to see him this week and get > that > > gel or whatever, I got a letter from him. Saying, .....all T > levels > > are normal, so no gel or shot (like just forget about it), do > > another lab test 2 months from now, and will see if the results > are > > steady or not, and then decide what to do.... > > > > So, stuck. I read many times that for an age like me, T should be > in > > upper high normals. I got all my hopes stumped. Atleast the old > one > > had me on active TRT. > > > > Any advise is welcome. > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Sam, How long have you been on the lexapro? Vornan -- In , " Sam " <m_singaram@y...> wrote: > > Phil > depression, anxiety, ED (to some level), fatigue, drooping > confidence, disturbed concentration, are the feelings I have. I want > to go out, but I cannot. My family is in my country and yet to join > me (in few months). So, since I am alone, I wish I go out. But > cannot. Just because of the problems I said in the first line. > Socialising is something out of reach of my dreams even. > > I am on light lexapro (SSRI) for long. And I do some kind of self > relaxing like meditation etc, which is the only thing that helps me > live (the least) everyday. Work - something which I liked for long, > is quite unineteresting. But I force myself to bring in the > concentration and interest, else I may have to look for a job too > apart from searching for an endo! > > In short, I am a living dead!!! Literally. > > > > > > Hi all > > > happy new year. > > > > > > Short gist from my old posts: > > > 1. 35 years old > > > 1. was taking T-shots 200 mg biweekly for 3 years, total and > free > > T > > > rocketed, E also pumped up, no great effect, felt let down for > long > > > 2. switched to another endo 3 months back. Suggested gel is > better > > > than shots. He stopped all TRT for 6 weeks, did lab tests, and > > said > > > would see me this week, when the results are ready, and most > > likely > > > prescribe gel. > > > > > > got results yesterday: > > > total T - 333 (normal: 250 - 1100 ng/Dl) > > > free T - 78.5 (normal: 35 - 155 pg/ml) > > > % free T- 2.36 (normal: 1 - 3.1%) > > > > > > Now, when I was pinning all hopes to see him this week and get > > that > > > gel or whatever, I got a letter from him. Saying, .....all T > > levels > > > are normal, so no gel or shot (like just forget about it), do > > > another lab test 2 months from now, and will see if the results > > are > > > steady or not, and then decide what to do.... > > > > > > So, stuck. I read many times that for an age like me, T should > be > > in > > > upper high normals. I got all my hopes stumped. Atleast the old > > one > > > had me on active TRT. > > > > > > Any advise is welcome. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 I've got double bags under my eyes lately. I'm withouth a thyroid gland (surgically removed) and low test/high E. Could be the E...retaining water, could be something with thyroid, could be lack of sleep. > Re: Re: hypo all the way > >It is hard to say my wife has a bad tryroid and her eyes look >like this. > Phil > >Sam <m_singaram@...> wrote: > I am on lexapro last 6 months. BUT, I am on antidepressants >for long. About two decades! I had variants of SSRIs earlier >(since I was not in the US then), like seroxat, clofranil >(chlomipromaine), and even long back, I was taking >anti-anxiety things. But for quite some time now (last 6 >years), I am only on mild anti depressants. > >Small question - any idea about the relation between prolonged >medication (that cause some drowsiness) and rings (sag) below the eyes? > >I actually wanted to ask everyone who is on hormone info too. >Is there a connection between the hormone deficiency things >and drooping eyes (like sagging eyes, rings below, etc). As a >child, I never had anything like that. It has developed over >the years, and before I realised, it set in. I think its the >prolonged anti- depressant medication, but still not sure, >that it may have something to do with my hormone levels too, >since they play a role in all good & bad 'looking' things. > > >> > > > Hi all >> > > > happy new year. >> > > > >> > > > Short gist from my old posts: >> > > > 1. 35 years old >> > > > 1. was taking T-shots 200 mg biweekly for 3 years, total and >> > free >> > > T >> > > > rocketed, E also pumped up, no great effect, felt let down >for >> > long >> > > > 2. switched to another endo 3 months back. Suggested gel is >> > better >> > > > than shots. He stopped all TRT for 6 weeks, did lab tests, >and >> > > said >> > > > would see me this week, when the results are ready, and most >> > > likely >> > > > prescribe gel. >> > > > >> > > > got results yesterday: >> > > > total T - 333 (normal: 250 - 1100 ng/Dl) free T - 78.5 >(normal: >> > > > 35 - 155 pg/ml) % free T- 2.36 (normal: 1 - 3.1%) >> > > > >> > > > Now, when I was pinning all hopes to see him this week and >get >> > > that >> > > > gel or whatever, I got a letter from him. Saying, .....all T >> > > levels >> > > > are normal, so no gel or shot (like just forget about it), >do >> > > > another lab test 2 months from now, and will see if the >> results >> > > are >> > > > steady or not, and then decide what to do.... >> > > > >> > > > So, stuck. I read many times that for an age like me, T >should >> > be >> > > in >> > > > upper high normals. I got all my hopes stumped. Atleast the >> old >> > > one >> > > > had me on active TRT. >> > > > >> > > > Any advise is welcome. >> > > > >> > > > thanks >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Hi I am finding out the options of seeing a doc suggested by medaus pharmacy online. (The idea was suggested by a good soul here). My appointment with the current endo is cancelled since he does not wish to see me till my next labs, 2 months from now, so its high time I call quits with him, and I am doing so). Now, medaus way is 'bio-identical' hormones. I read that they do similar things like synthetic T, etc and may be better. But I am not very much aware of alternative medicine as such. I mean, common alternative medicines like homeopathy, are good in the long run, with less side effects, but they are slow and sometimes may not work for all. Not that allopathy works for everyone, but I just want to opinions on this area, bio-id... if any/many are familiar with it. -------- Sam > >> > > > Hi all > >> > > > happy new year. > >> > > > > >> > > > Short gist from my old posts: > >> > > > 1. 35 years old > >> > > > 1. was taking T-shots 200 mg biweekly for 3 years, total and > >> > free > >> > > T > >> > > > rocketed, E also pumped up, no great effect, felt let down > >for > >> > long > >> > > > 2. switched to another endo 3 months back. Suggested gel is > >> > better > >> > > > than shots. He stopped all TRT for 6 weeks, did lab tests, > >and > >> > > said > >> > > > would see me this week, when the results are ready, and most > >> > > likely > >> > > > prescribe gel. > >> > > > > >> > > > got results yesterday: > >> > > > total T - 333 (normal: 250 - 1100 ng/Dl) free T - 78.5 > >(normal: > >> > > > 35 - 155 pg/ml) % free T- 2.36 (normal: 1 - 3.1%) > >> > > > > >> > > > Now, when I was pinning all hopes to see him this week and > >get > >> > > that > >> > > > gel or whatever, I got a letter from him. Saying, .....all T > >> > > levels > >> > > > are normal, so no gel or shot (like just forget about it), > >do > >> > > > another lab test 2 months from now, and will see if the > >> results > >> > > are > >> > > > steady or not, and then decide what to do.... > >> > > > > >> > > > So, stuck. I read many times that for an age like me, T > >should > >> > be > >> > > in > >> > > > upper high normals. I got all my hopes stumped. Atleast the > >> old > >> > > one > >> > > > had me on active TRT. > >> > > > > >> > > > Any advise is welcome. > >> > > > > >> > > > thanks > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Sam do you have a link to a site I tried to do a search and nothing came up are your talking about seeing a Dr. or working with Medaus Pharmacy. Phil Sam <m_singaram@...> wrote: Hi I am finding out the options of seeing a doc suggested by medaus pharmacy online. (The idea was suggested by a good soul here). My appointment with the current endo is cancelled since he does not wish to see me till my next labs, 2 months from now, so its high time I call quits with him, and I am doing so). Now, medaus way is 'bio-identical' hormones. I read that they do similar things like synthetic T, etc and may be better. But I am not very much aware of alternative medicine as such. I mean, common alternative medicines like homeopathy, are good in the long run, with less side effects, but they are slow and sometimes may not work for all. Not that allopathy works for everyone, but I just want to opinions on this area, bio-id... if any/many are familiar with it. -------- Sam > >> > > > Hi all > >> > > > happy new year. > >> > > > > >> > > > Short gist from my old posts: > >> > > > 1. 35 years old > >> > > > 1. was taking T-shots 200 mg biweekly for 3 years, total and > >> > free > >> > > T > >> > > > rocketed, E also pumped up, no great effect, felt let down > >for > >> > long > >> > > > 2. switched to another endo 3 months back. Suggested gel is > >> > better > >> > > > than shots. He stopped all TRT for 6 weeks, did lab tests, > >and > >> > > said > >> > > > would see me this week, when the results are ready, and most > >> > > likely > >> > > > prescribe gel. > >> > > > > >> > > > got results yesterday: > >> > > > total T - 333 (normal: 250 - 1100 ng/Dl) free T - 78.5 > >(normal: > >> > > > 35 - 155 pg/ml) % free T- 2.36 (normal: 1 - 3.1%) > >> > > > > >> > > > Now, when I was pinning all hopes to see him this week and > >get > >> > > that > >> > > > gel or whatever, I got a letter from him. Saying, .....all T > >> > > levels > >> > > > are normal, so no gel or shot (like just forget about it), > >do > >> > > > another lab test 2 months from now, and will see if the > >> results > >> > > are > >> > > > steady or not, and then decide what to do.... > >> > > > > >> > > > So, stuck. I read many times that for an age like me, T > >should > >> > be > >> > > in > >> > > > upper high normals. I got all my hopes stumped. Atleast the > >> old > >> > > one > >> > > > had me on active TRT. > >> > > > > >> > > > Any advise is welcome. > >> > > > > >> > > > thanks > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Phil, It's www.medaus.com They hooked me up with my doctor who is providing HCG, Arimidex, and weekly T injections. Don't know if all the doctors they recommend are like this but I can't complain so far. Dave philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: Sam do you have a link to a site I tried to do a search and nothing came up are your talking about seeing a Dr. or working with Medaus Pharmacy. Phil Sam <m_singaram@...> wrote: Hi I am finding out the options of seeing a doc suggested by medaus pharmacy online. (The idea was suggested by a good soul here). My appointment with the current endo is cancelled since he does not wish to see me till my next labs, 2 months from now, so its high time I call quits with him, and I am doing so). Now, medaus way is 'bio-identical' hormones. I read that they do similar things like synthetic T, etc and may be better. But I am not very much aware of alternative medicine as such. I mean, common alternative medicines like homeopathy, are good in the long run, with less side effects, but they are slow and sometimes may not work for all. Not that allopathy works for everyone, but I just want to opinions on this area, bio-id... if any/many are familiar with it. -------- Sam > >> > > > Hi all > >> > > > happy new year. > >> > > > > >> > > > Short gist from my old posts: > >> > > > 1. 35 years old > >> > > > 1. was taking T-shots 200 mg biweekly for 3 years, total and > >> > free > >> > > T > >> > > > rocketed, E also pumped up, no great effect, felt let down > >for > >> > long > >> > > > 2. switched to another endo 3 months back. Suggested gel is > >> > better > >> > > > than shots. He stopped all TRT for 6 weeks, did lab tests, > >and > >> > > said > >> > > > would see me this week, when the results are ready, and most > >> > > likely > >> > > > prescribe gel. > >> > > > > >> > > > got results yesterday: > >> > > > total T - 333 (normal: 250 - 1100 ng/Dl) free T - 78.5 > >(normal: > >> > > > 35 - 155 pg/ml) % free T- 2.36 (normal: 1 - 3.1%) > >> > > > > >> > > > Now, when I was pinning all hopes to see him this week and > >get > >> > > that > >> > > > gel or whatever, I got a letter from him. Saying, .....all T > >> > > levels > >> > > > are normal, so no gel or shot (like just forget about it), > >do > >> > > > another lab test 2 months from now, and will see if the > >> results > >> > > are > >> > > > steady or not, and then decide what to do.... > >> > > > > >> > > > So, stuck. I read many times that for an age like me, T > >should > >> > be > >> > > in > >> > > > upper high normals. I got all my hopes stumped. Atleast the > >> old > >> > > one > >> > > > had me on active TRT. > >> > > > > >> > > > Any advise is welcome. > >> > > > > >> > > > thanks > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Looks good so far how did you find this place. Phil Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote: Phil, It's www.medaus.com They hooked me up with my doctor who is providing HCG, Arimidex, and weekly T injections. Don't know if all the doctors they recommend are like this but I can't complain so far. Dave philip georgian wrote: Sam do you have a link to a site I tried to do a search and nothing came up are your talking about seeing a Dr. or working with Medaus Pharmacy. Phil Sam wrote: Hi I am finding out the options of seeing a doc suggested by medaus pharmacy online. (The idea was suggested by a good soul here). My appointment with the current endo is cancelled since he does not wish to see me till my next labs, 2 months from now, so its high time I call quits with him, and I am doing so). Now, medaus way is 'bio-identical' hormones. I read that they do similar things like synthetic T, etc and may be better. But I am not very much aware of alternative medicine as such. I mean, common alternative medicines like homeopathy, are good in the long run, with less side effects, but they are slow and sometimes may not work for all. Not that allopathy works for everyone, but I just want to opinions on this area, bio-id... if any/many are familiar with it. -------- Sam > >> > > > Hi all > >> > > > happy new year. > >> > > > > >> > > > Short gist from my old posts: > >> > > > 1. 35 years old > >> > > > 1. was taking T-shots 200 mg biweekly for 3 years, total and > >> > free > >> > > T > >> > > > rocketed, E also pumped up, no great effect, felt let down > >for > >> > long > >> > > > 2. switched to another endo 3 months back. Suggested gel is > >> > better > >> > > > than shots. He stopped all TRT for 6 weeks, did lab tests, > >and > >> > > said > >> > > > would see me this week, when the results are ready, and most > >> > > likely > >> > > > prescribe gel. > >> > > > > >> > > > got results yesterday: > >> > > > total T - 333 (normal: 250 - 1100 ng/Dl) free T - 78.5 > >(normal: > >> > > > 35 - 155 pg/ml) % free T- 2.36 (normal: 1 - 3.1%) > >> > > > > >> > > > Now, when I was pinning all hopes to see him this week and > >get > >> > > that > >> > > > gel or whatever, I got a letter from him. Saying, .....all T > >> > > levels > >> > > > are normal, so no gel or shot (like just forget about it), > >do > >> > > > another lab test 2 months from now, and will see if the > >> results > >> > > are > >> > > > steady or not, and then decide what to do.... > >> > > > > >> > > > So, stuck. I read many times that for an age like me, T > >should > >> > be > >> > > in > >> > > > upper high normals. I got all my hopes stumped. Atleast the > >> old > >> > > one > >> > > > had me on active TRT. > >> > > > > >> > > > Any advise is welcome. > >> > > > > >> > > > thanks > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Thanks . Medaus gave me reference for two docs at my place. I called both and said I wanted to know if they do E control and HCG too, along with TRT, whichever necessary. One said, they will have the doc call me in a day or two. Other one was recorded message...so I left my message. Hope will hear soon. > > >> > > > Hi all > > >> > > > happy new year. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Short gist from my old posts: > > >> > > > 1. 35 years old > > >> > > > 1. was taking T-shots 200 mg biweekly for 3 years, total and > > >> > free > > >> > > T > > >> > > > rocketed, E also pumped up, no great effect, felt let down > > >for > > >> > long > > >> > > > 2. switched to another endo 3 months back. Suggested gel is > > >> > better > > >> > > > than shots. He stopped all TRT for 6 weeks, did lab tests, > > >and > > >> > > said > > >> > > > would see me this week, when the results are ready, and most > > >> > > likely > > >> > > > prescribe gel. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > got results yesterday: > > >> > > > total T - 333 (normal: 250 - 1100 ng/Dl) free T - 78.5 > > >(normal: > > >> > > > 35 - 155 pg/ml) % free T- 2.36 (normal: 1 - 3.1%) > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Now, when I was pinning all hopes to see him this week and > > >get > > >> > > that > > >> > > > gel or whatever, I got a letter from him. Saying, .....all T > > >> > > levels > > >> > > > are normal, so no gel or shot (like just forget about it), > > >do > > >> > > > another lab test 2 months from now, and will see if the > > >> results > > >> > > are > > >> > > > steady or not, and then decide what to do.... > > >> > > > > > >> > > > So, stuck. I read many times that for an age like me, T > > >should > > >> > be > > >> > > in > > >> > > > upper high normals. I got all my hopes stumped. Atleast the > > >> old > > >> > > one > > >> > > > had me on active TRT. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Any advise is welcome. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > thanks > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Sam and keep us up to date this may be a good find. Phil Sam <m_singaram@...> wrote: Thanks . Medaus gave me reference for two docs at my place. I called both and said I wanted to know if they do E control and HCG too, along with TRT, whichever necessary. One said, they will have the doc call me in a day or two. Other one was recorded message...so I left my message. Hope will hear soon. > > >> > > > Hi all > > >> > > > happy new year. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Short gist from my old posts: > > >> > > > 1. 35 years old > > >> > > > 1. was taking T-shots 200 mg biweekly for 3 years, total and > > >> > free > > >> > > T > > >> > > > rocketed, E also pumped up, no great effect, felt let down > > >for > > >> > long > > >> > > > 2. switched to another endo 3 months back. Suggested gel is > > >> > better > > >> > > > than shots. He stopped all TRT for 6 weeks, did lab tests, > > >and > > >> > > said > > >> > > > would see me this week, when the results are ready, and most > > >> > > likely > > >> > > > prescribe gel. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > got results yesterday: > > >> > > > total T - 333 (normal: 250 - 1100 ng/Dl) free T - 78.5 > > >(normal: > > >> > > > 35 - 155 pg/ml) % free T- 2.36 (normal: 1 - 3.1%) > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Now, when I was pinning all hopes to see him this week and > > >get > > >> > > that > > >> > > > gel or whatever, I got a letter from him. Saying, .....all T > > >> > > levels > > >> > > > are normal, so no gel or shot (like just forget about it), > > >do > > >> > > > another lab test 2 months from now, and will see if the > > >> results > > >> > > are > > >> > > > steady or not, and then decide what to do.... > > >> > > > > > >> > > > So, stuck. I read many times that for an age like me, T > > >should > > >> > be > > >> > > in > > >> > > > upper high normals. I got all my hopes stumped. Atleast the > > >> old > > >> > > one > > >> > > > had me on active TRT. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Any advise is welcome. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > thanks > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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