Re: need help with the labs

[Guest guest]

Your e2 may be creeping up and since it has been so low for so long you may just

be getting resenistize to it. Like the typcal dopamine response from

testoserone for first 10 days then it drops like a rock.

TSH can shift in matter of days.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > got the

> > > > > > lab

> > > > > > > > results. i'm 49

> > > > > > > > > > & a testicular cancer

> > > > survivor. i'm

> > > > > > not going

> > > > > > > > to list

> > > > > > > > > > all of them because there's a

> > > > lot of

> > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > testosterone

> > > > > > serum

> > > > > > > > (total) 

> > > > > > > > > > 378   range 350-1030

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > bioavailable

> > > > > > > > > > T   154 ng/dl    range

> > > > 95-350

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > LH   7.0

> > > > > > > > > > mIU/mL    range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > FSH   15.4

> > > > > > > > > > mIU/dl   range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > Estradiol,

> > > > > > > > > > sensitive   14pg/ml   

> > > > range 3-70

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > T4   8.8ug/dl 

> > > > > > > > > > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T3

> > > > uptake

> > > > > > 35%   

> > > > > > > > range

> > > > > > > > > > 24-39

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > progesterone 

> > > > > > > > > > 0.8ng/ml   range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > prealbumin 

> > > > > > > > > > 34mg/dl   range 20-40

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > prolactin 

> > > > > > 4.4

> > > > > > > > > > ng/ml   range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > copper serum

> > > > > > > > > > 22.0mg/dl   range 70-155

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > thyroxine

> > > > > > binding

> > > > > > > > globulin 

> > > > > > > > > > 15ug/ml   range 13-39

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > aldosterone 

> > > > > > > > 14.5ng/dl 

> > > > > > > > > >   range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Norepinephine,P1

> > > > > > > > > > 427pg/ml   range

> > > > > > > > > > 0-399   HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > Insulin like

> > > > > > growth

> > > > > > > > factor 

> > > > > > > > > > 106ng/ml    range 94-252

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >   Lp-PLA2 

> > > > > > > > > > 60ng/ml    range

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > 131-199   LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > Vitamin D 

> > > > > > 24.6ng/ml 

> > > > > > > > > >   range 32.0-100   

> > > > > > LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24hr

> > > > salivary

> > > > > > > > cortisoland DHEA

> > > > > > > > > > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >   early AM

> > > > > > > > > > 0.96  range 0.27-1.18 

> > > > NORMAL

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >   noon

> > > > > > > > > > 0.08   range

> > > > 0.10-0.41   LOW

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >   early PM

> > > > > > > > > > 0.06   range 0.05-0.27 

> > > > MARGINAL

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >   late PM

> > > > > > > > > > <0.03   range

> > > > > > > > > > 0.03-0.14   LOW

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > know this is

> > > > > > a lot of

> > > > > > > > data to

> > > > > > > > > > take in but any help would be

> > > > greatly

> > > > > > appeciated.

> > > > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > > > experiencing ED, very low

> > > > libido, night

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > sweats, poor

> > > > > > > > > > sleep patterns, my remaining

> > > > nut is

> > > > > > about 1/2 the

> > > > > > > > size it

> > > > > > > > > > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with

> > > > weights

> > > > > > but have not

> > > > > > > > been able

> > > > > > > > > > to put on any muscle,

> > > > actually losing

> > > > > > it as well

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > strength. I have been

> > > > experiencing what

> > > > > > i think

> > > > > > > > arte panic

> > > > > > > > > > attacks in the last few

> > > > months.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > Thanks to all

> > > > > > that post

> > > > > > > > on this

> > > > > > > > > > forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Your T has been low for a long time and it takes time to rebalance.

If your total T hits 700=900 on the labs and e2 is in check then hcg will be

implemented.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > just got the lab

> > > results. i'm 49

> > > > > & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going

> > > to list

> > > > > all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > testosterone serum

> > > (total) 

> > > > > 378   range 350-1030

> > > > > > > > > > bioavailable

> > > > > T   154 ng/dl    range 95-350

> > > > > > > > > > LH   7.0

> > > > > mIU/mL    range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > > > > FSH   15.4

> > > > > mIU/dl   range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > > > > Estradiol,

> > > > > sensitive   14pg/ml    range 3-70

> > > > > > > > > > T4   8.8ug/dl 

> > > > > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > > > > T3 uptake 35%   

> > > range

> > > > > 24-39

> > > > > > > > > > progesterone 

> > > > > 0.8ng/ml   range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > > > > prealbumin 

> > > > > 34mg/dl   range 20-40

> > > > > > > > > > prolactin  4.4

> > > > > ng/ml   range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > > > > copper serum

> > > > > 22.0mg/dl   range 70-155

> > > > > > > > > > thyroxine binding

> > > globulin 

> > > > > 15ug/ml   range 13-39

> > > > > > > > > > aldosterone 

> > > 14.5ng/dl 

> > > > >   range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > > > > Norepinephine,P1

> > > > > 427pg/ml   range

> > > > > 0-399   HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > Insulin like growth

> > > factor 

> > > > > 106ng/ml    range 94-252

> > > > > > > > > >   Lp-PLA2 

> > > > > 60ng/ml    range

> > > > > 131-199   LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > Vitamin D  24.6ng/ml 

> > > > >   range 32.0-100    LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > 24hr salivary

> > > cortisoland DHEA

> > > > > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > > > >   early AM

> > > > > 0.96  range 0.27-1.18  NORMAL

> > > > > > > > > >   noon

> > > > > 0.08   range 0.10-0.41   LOW

> > > > > > > > > >   early PM

> > > > > 0.06   range 0.05-0.27  MARGINAL

> > > > > > > > > >   late PM

> > > > > <0.03   range

> > > > > 0.03-0.14   LOW

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I know this is a lot of

> > > data to

> > > > > take in but any help would be greatly appeciated.

> > > I am

> > > > > experiencing ED, very low libido, night time

> > > sweats, poor

> > > > > sleep patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the

> > > size it

> > > > > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with weights but have not

> > > been able

> > > > > to put on any muscle, actually losing it as well

> > > as

> > > > > strength. I have been experiencing what i think

> > > arte panic

> > > > > attacks in the last few months.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks to all that post

> > > on this

> > > > > forum.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

How about HC to treat the adrenals and to help with the tendonitis?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > just got the lab

> > > > results. i'm 49

> > > > > > & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going

> > > > to list

> > > > > > all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > testosterone serum

> > > > (total) 

> > > > > > 378   range 350-1030

> > > > > > > > > > > bioavailable

> > > > > > T   154 ng/dl    range 95-350

> > > > > > > > > > > LH   7.0

> > > > > > mIU/mL    range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > > > > > FSH   15.4

> > > > > > mIU/dl   range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > > > > > Estradiol,

> > > > > > sensitive   14pg/ml    range 3-70

> > > > > > > > > > > T4   8.8ug/dl 

> > > > > > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > > > > > T3 uptake 35%   

> > > > range

> > > > > > 24-39

> > > > > > > > > > > progesterone 

> > > > > > 0.8ng/ml   range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > > > > > prealbumin 

> > > > > > 34mg/dl   range 20-40

> > > > > > > > > > > prolactin  4.4

> > > > > > ng/ml   range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > > > > > copper serum

> > > > > > 22.0mg/dl   range 70-155

> > > > > > > > > > > thyroxine binding

> > > > globulin 

> > > > > > 15ug/ml   range 13-39

> > > > > > > > > > > aldosterone 

> > > > 14.5ng/dl 

> > > > > >   range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > > > > > Norepinephine,P1

> > > > > > 427pg/ml   range

> > > > > > 0-399   HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Insulin like growth

> > > > factor 

> > > > > > 106ng/ml    range 94-252

> > > > > > > > > > >   Lp-PLA2 

> > > > > > 60ng/ml    range

> > > > > > 131-199   LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Vitamin D  24.6ng/ml 

> > > > > >   range 32.0-100    LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > 24hr salivary

> > > > cortisoland DHEA

> > > > > > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > > > > >   early AM

> > > > > > 0.96  range 0.27-1.18  NORMAL

> > > > > > > > > > >   noon

> > > > > > 0.08   range 0.10-0.41   LOW

> > > > > > > > > > >   early PM

> > > > > > 0.06   range 0.05-0.27  MARGINAL

> > > > > > > > > > >   late PM

> > > > > > <0.03   range

> > > > > > 0.03-0.14   LOW

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I know this is a lot of

> > > > data to

> > > > > > take in but any help would be greatly appeciated.

> > > > I am

> > > > > > experiencing ED, very low libido, night time

> > > > sweats, poor

> > > > > > sleep patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the

> > > > size it

> > > > > > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with weights but have not

> > > > been able

> > > > > > to put on any muscle, actually losing it as well

> > > > as

> > > > > > strength. I have been experiencing what i think

> > > > arte panic

> > > > > > attacks in the last few months.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to all that post

> > > > on this

> > > > > > forum.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

You are playing crap shoot with out idenitfy if it is medically necessary..Why

we are re evaluating your entire hormone panel to see what changes have occured.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > just got the lab

> > > > > results. i'm 49

> > > > > > > & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going

> > > > > to list

> > > > > > > all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > testosterone serum

> > > > > (total) 

> > > > > > > 378   range 350-1030

> > > > > > > > > > > > bioavailable

> > > > > > > T   154 ng/dl    range 95-350

> > > > > > > > > > > > LH   7.0

> > > > > > > mIU/mL    range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > > > > > > FSH   15.4

> > > > > > > mIU/dl   range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > > > > > > Estradiol,

> > > > > > > sensitive   14pg/ml    range 3-70

> > > > > > > > > > > > T4   8.8ug/dl 

> > > > > > > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > > > > > > T3 uptake 35%   

> > > > > range

> > > > > > > 24-39

> > > > > > > > > > > > progesterone 

> > > > > > > 0.8ng/ml   range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > > > > > > prealbumin 

> > > > > > > 34mg/dl   range 20-40

> > > > > > > > > > > > prolactin  4.4

> > > > > > > ng/ml   range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > > > > > > copper serum

> > > > > > > 22.0mg/dl   range 70-155

> > > > > > > > > > > > thyroxine binding

> > > > > globulin 

> > > > > > > 15ug/ml   range 13-39

> > > > > > > > > > > > aldosterone 

> > > > > 14.5ng/dl 

> > > > > > >   range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > > > > > > Norepinephine,P1

> > > > > > > 427pg/ml   range

> > > > > > > 0-399   HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Insulin like growth

> > > > > factor 

> > > > > > > 106ng/ml    range 94-252

> > > > > > > > > > > >   Lp-PLA2 

> > > > > > > 60ng/ml    range

> > > > > > > 131-199   LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vitamin D  24.6ng/ml 

> > > > > > >   range 32.0-100    LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > 24hr salivary

> > > > > cortisoland DHEA

> > > > > > > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > > > > > >   early AM

> > > > > > > 0.96  range 0.27-1.18  NORMAL

> > > > > > > > > > > >   noon

> > > > > > > 0.08   range 0.10-0.41   LOW

> > > > > > > > > > > >   early PM

> > > > > > > 0.06   range 0.05-0.27  MARGINAL

> > > > > > > > > > > >   late PM

> > > > > > > <0.03   range

> > > > > > > 0.03-0.14   LOW

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I know this is a lot of

> > > > > data to

> > > > > > > take in but any help would be greatly appeciated.

> > > > > I am

> > > > > > > experiencing ED, very low libido, night time

> > > > > sweats, poor

> > > > > > > sleep patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the

> > > > > size it

> > > > > > > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with weights but have not

> > > > > been able

> > > > > > > to put on any muscle, actually losing it as well

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > strength. I have been experiencing what i think

> > > > > arte panic

> > > > > > > attacks in the last few months.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to all that post

> > > > > on this

> > > > > > > forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

If my T level were 700 or more, wouldn't I be feeling better? I really don't see

much of a change. I know that the e2 level is still low. No wood and very low

libido.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > just got the lab

> > > > results. i'm 49

> > > > > > & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going

> > > > to list

> > > > > > all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > testosterone serum

> > > > (total) 

> > > > > > 378   range 350-1030

> > > > > > > > > > > bioavailable

> > > > > > T   154 ng/dl    range 95-350

> > > > > > > > > > > LH   7.0

> > > > > > mIU/mL    range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > > > > > FSH   15.4

> > > > > > mIU/dl   range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > > > > > Estradiol,

> > > > > > sensitive   14pg/ml    range 3-70

> > > > > > > > > > > T4   8.8ug/dl 

> > > > > > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > > > > > T3 uptake 35%   

> > > > range

> > > > > > 24-39

> > > > > > > > > > > progesterone 

> > > > > > 0.8ng/ml   range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > > > > > prealbumin 

> > > > > > 34mg/dl   range 20-40

> > > > > > > > > > > prolactin  4.4

> > > > > > ng/ml   range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > > > > > copper serum

> > > > > > 22.0mg/dl   range 70-155

> > > > > > > > > > > thyroxine binding

> > > > globulin 

> > > > > > 15ug/ml   range 13-39

> > > > > > > > > > > aldosterone 

> > > > 14.5ng/dl 

> > > > > >   range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > > > > > Norepinephine,P1

> > > > > > 427pg/ml   range

> > > > > > 0-399   HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Insulin like growth

> > > > factor 

> > > > > > 106ng/ml    range 94-252

> > > > > > > > > > >   Lp-PLA2 

> > > > > > 60ng/ml    range

> > > > > > 131-199   LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Vitamin D  24.6ng/ml 

> > > > > >   range 32.0-100    LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > 24hr salivary

> > > > cortisoland DHEA

> > > > > > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > > > > >   early AM

> > > > > > 0.96  range 0.27-1.18  NORMAL

> > > > > > > > > > >   noon

> > > > > > 0.08   range 0.10-0.41   LOW

> > > > > > > > > > >   early PM

> > > > > > 0.06   range 0.05-0.27  MARGINAL

> > > > > > > > > > >   late PM

> > > > > > <0.03   range

> > > > > > 0.03-0.14   LOW

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I know this is a lot of

> > > > data to

> > > > > > take in but any help would be greatly appeciated.

> > > > I am

> > > > > > experiencing ED, very low libido, night time

> > > > sweats, poor

> > > > > > sleep patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the

> > > > size it

> > > > > > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with weights but have not

> > > > been able

> > > > > > to put on any muscle, actually losing it as well

> > > > as

> > > > > > strength. I have been experiencing what i think

> > > > arte panic

> > > > > > attacks in the last few months.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to all that post

> > > > on this

> > > > > > forum.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Here is how it works as your levels went down things in your body and mind did

not work right they needed the Testosterone this is why some feel fatigue,

Depression, loss of libido, brain fog, muscle loss and this list goes on. After

you get your levels up then your body starts to fix them problems this is a slow

process and takes time you feel better a little everyday for some this takes 6

months other a yr. But first you need to get leveled.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 9:56 AM

> If my T level were 700 or more,

> wouldn't I be feeling better? I really don't see much of a

> change. I know that the e2 level is still low. No wood and

> very low libido.

>

>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > just

> got the lab

> > > > > results. i'm 49

> > > > > > > & a testicular cancer

> survivor. i'm not going

> > > > > to list

> > > > > > > all of them because there's a

> lot of them.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> testosterone serum

> > > > > (total) 

> > > > > > > 378   range 350-1030

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> bioavailable

> > > > > > > T   154 ng/dl    range

> 95-350

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> LH   7.0

> > > > > > > mIU/mL    range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> FSH   15.4

> > > > > > > mIU/dl   range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Estradiol,

> > > > > > > sensitive   14pg/ml   

> range 3-70

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> T4   8.8ug/dl 

> > > > > > > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > > > > > > T3

> uptake 35%   

> > > > > range

> > > > > > > 24-39

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> progesterone 

> > > > > > > 0.8ng/ml   range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> prealbumin 

> > > > > > > 34mg/dl   range 20-40

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> prolactin  4.4

> > > > > > > ng/ml   range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> copper serum

> > > > > > > 22.0mg/dl   range 70-155

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> thyroxine binding

> > > > > globulin 

> > > > > > > 15ug/ml   range 13-39

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> aldosterone 

> > > > > 14.5ng/dl 

> > > > > > >   range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Norepinephine,P1

> > > > > > > 427pg/ml   range

> > > > > > > 0-399   HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Insulin like growth

> > > > > factor 

> > > > > > > 106ng/ml    range 94-252

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >   Lp-PLA2 

> > > > > > > 60ng/ml    range

> > > > > > >

> 131-199   LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Vitamin D  24.6ng/ml 

> > > > > > >   range 32.0-100   

> LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > 24hr

> salivary

> > > > > cortisoland DHEA

> > > > > > > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >   early AM

> > > > > > > 0.96  range 0.27-1.18 

> NORMAL

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >   noon

> > > > > > > 0.08   range

> 0.10-0.41   LOW

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >   early PM

> > > > > > > 0.06   range 0.05-0.27 

> MARGINAL

> > > > > > > > > > >

> >   late PM

> > > > > > > <0.03   range

> > > > > > > 0.03-0.14   LOW

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I

> know this is a lot of

> > > > > data to

> > > > > > > take in but any help would be

> greatly appeciated.

> > > > > I am

> > > > > > > experiencing ED, very low

> libido, night time

> > > > > sweats, poor

> > > > > > > sleep patterns, my remaining

> nut is about 1/2 the

> > > > > size it

> > > > > > > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with

> weights but have not

> > > > > been able

> > > > > > > to put on any muscle,

> actually losing it as well

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > strength. I have been

> experiencing what i think

> > > > > arte panic

> > > > > > > attacks in the last few

> months.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Thanks to all that post

> > > > > on this

> > > > > > > forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:56:43 -0000, you wrote:

>If my T level were 700 or more, wouldn't I be feeling better? I really don't

see much of a change. I know that the e2 level is still low. No wood and very

low libido.

You answered your own question. Low E2 kills libido and wood. Even

worse frankly than high e2.

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:23:59 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>Here is how it works as your levels went down things in your body and mind did

not work right they needed the Testosterone this is why some feel fatigue,

Depression, loss of libido, brain fog, muscle loss and this list goes on. After

you get your levels up then your body starts to fix them problems this is a slow

process and takes time you feel better a little everyday for some this takes 6

months other a yr. But first you need to get leveled.

>Co-Moderator

>Phil

Personally I felt the rush of TRT immediately. I went from a couch

potato to an 18 year old in like 48 hours. The E2 crept up over time

and robbed some of that - until I worked out the arimidex.

[Guest guest]

How were your adrenal and thyroid functions? How fast did your ED go away. I do

feel better in the fact that my hypoglycemia type symptoms have lessened

considerably. That's a blessing. But the extreme ED, lack of libido, tendonitis

etc. all are not going away. I'm at the maximum dose of T.

>

> >Here is how it works as your levels went down things in your body and mind

did not work right they needed the Testosterone this is why some feel fatigue,

Depression, loss of libido, brain fog, muscle loss and this list goes on. After

you get your levels up then your body starts to fix them problems this is a slow

process and takes time you feel better a little everyday for some this takes 6

months other a yr. But first you need to get leveled.

> >Co-Moderator

> >Phil

>

>

> Personally I felt the rush of TRT immediately. I went from a couch

> potato to an 18 year old in like 48 hours. The E2 crept up over time

> and robbed some of that - until I worked out the arimidex.

>

[Guest guest]

30% of the people need to have thyroid adjusted when on TRT. I just had to

adjust 3 out of 3 so far next time this will be examined completely.

> >

> > >Here is how it works as your levels went down things in your body and mind

did not work right they needed the Testosterone this is why some feel fatigue,

Depression, loss of libido, brain fog, muscle loss and this list goes on. After

you get your levels up then your body starts to fix them problems this is a slow

process and takes time you feel better a little everyday for some this takes 6

months other a yr. But first you need to get leveled.

> > >Co-Moderator

> > >Phil

> >

> >

> > Personally I felt the rush of TRT immediately. I went from a couch

> > potato to an 18 year old in like 48 hours. The E2 crept up over time

> > and robbed some of that - until I worked out the arimidex.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:52:59 -0000, you wrote:

>

>How were your adrenal and thyroid functions? How fast did your ED go away. I do

feel better in the fact that my hypoglycemia type symptoms have lessened

considerably. That's a blessing. But the extreme ED, lack of libido, tendonitis

etc. all are not going away. I'm at the maximum dose of T.

I don't know about thyroid and adrenals. I didn't have ED issues until

the E2 climbed high.

[Guest guest]

Same for me I fixed my ED problems long before I fixed my Adreanls and Thyroid.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >How were your adrenal and thyroid functions? How fast

> did your ED go away. I do feel better in the fact that my

> hypoglycemia type symptoms have lessened considerably.

> That's a blessing. But the extreme ED, lack of libido,

> tendonitis etc. all are not going away. I'm at the maximum

> dose of T.

>

>

> I don't know about thyroid and adrenals. I didn't have ED

> issues until

> the E2 climbed high.

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil, you have 27 yrs of TRT history? You didn't have ED issues in the

beginning? Retro, I don't know your history , but the same question applies to

your history as well. I thought low T and ED go hand-in-hand.

I have no choice but to be patient with the process back to where I'd like to

be. I quess I have to accept the outcome. There was a guy posting here last

month saying his penial function did'nt return. I don't know his situation, but

maybe this is what's in my future. Since I have a history of testicular cancer,

maybe this could be a factor. I had radiation though, not chemo.

> >

> > >

> > >How were your adrenal and thyroid functions? How fast

> > did your ED go away. I do feel better in the fact that my

> > hypoglycemia type symptoms have lessened considerably.

> > That's a blessing. But the extreme ED, lack of libido,

> > tendonitis etc. all are not going away. I'm at the maximum

> > dose of T.

> >

> >

> > I don't know about thyroid and adrenals. I didn't have ED

> > issues until

> > the E2 climbed high.

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:31:02 -0000, you wrote:

>Phil, you have 27 yrs of TRT history? You didn't have ED issues in the

beginning? Retro, I don't know your history , but the same question applies to

your history as well. I thought low T and ED go hand-in-hand.

>

>I have no choice but to be patient with the process back to where I'd like to

be. I quess I have to accept the outcome. There was a guy posting here last

month saying his penial function did'nt return. I don't know his situation, but

maybe this is what's in my future. Since I have a history of testicular cancer,

maybe this could be a factor. I had radiation though, not chemo.

If I recall your T is so low your E2 is low also. that would be an ED

issue and libido killer.

I suspect when you get your T up and your E2 down, things will

improve.

[Guest guest]

Retro answer me this, if my T is now in the 700 range and E2 still low, will the

E2 come up or could it stay low for whatever reason? If it should come up, whats

the average time this takes?

I know this is a progressive process, you guys are trying to beat this into my

head, but I hear guys that go on TRT starting to feel great and staying feeling

good.

>

> >Phil, you have 27 yrs of TRT history? You didn't have ED issues in the

beginning? Retro, I don't know your history , but the same question applies to

your history as well. I thought low T and ED go hand-in-hand.

> >

> >I have no choice but to be patient with the process back to where I'd like to

be. I quess I have to accept the outcome. There was a guy posting here last

month saying his penial function did'nt return. I don't know his situation, but

maybe this is what's in my future. Since I have a history of testicular cancer,

maybe this could be a factor. I had radiation though, not chemo.

>

>

> If I recall your T is so low your E2 is low also. that would be an ED

> issue and libido killer.

>

> I suspect when you get your T up and your E2 down, things will

> improve.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim no I did not have ED or loss of libido when I was first tested my Total T

was 120 very low. At the time I suffered from Fatigue so bad I had to push

myself to do things and I hid it from my family and job. Until I could not get

out of bed one day and started to have Panic Attacks do to the worry about what

the hell was wrong with me. It's all in my Story. This link is a link to it I

am did this for the owner of STTM web site that I was a mod at. She put this in

her new book.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Janie is a good web friend of mine.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/book/

Sex was not a problem for me for the first 10 yrs on TRT even if I did not feel

like having it do to the fatigue I made it a point to have it 2x's to 3x's a

week. I started on TRT at about age 38 and by age 50 I had ED so bad I needed a

penis pump and ring to have sex. And I could not reach an orgasm. I later say

10 yrs later found out this was due to high levels of Estradiol. And getting

this down fixed my problems and a lot more like the Panic Attacks, brain fog,

sore and hard nipples, thyroid, feeling hot and sweating day and night, having

rashes and looking red on the upper parts of my body and face.

Now after having Heart bypass sugary and the meds they have me on I have ED

again. I still get night time and morning wood but can't keep it up for sex.

So I am getting a shot called Trimix you give this shot in the side of your

penis and it gets it up for a good 2 hrs and as hard as a rock. IF you go to

are brother forum and go to there files section under Trimix you can read all

about it. There is not reason for a man not to be able to get it up for sex

today.

Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/

Dr. even sells this to his men when Viagra or Challis will not work.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 9:31 PM

> Phil, you have 27 yrs of TRT history?

> You didn't have ED issues in the beginning? Retro, I don't

> know your history , but the same question applies to your

> history as well. I thought low T and ED go hand-in-hand.

>

> I have no choice but to be patient with the process back to

> where I'd like to be. I quess I have to accept the outcome.

> There was a guy posting here last month saying his penial

> function did'nt return. I don't know his situation, but

> maybe this is what's in my future. Since I have a history of

> testicular cancer, maybe this could be a factor. I had

> radiation though, not chemo.

>

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > >How were your adrenal and thyroid functions?

> How fast

> > > did your ED go away. I do feel better in the fact

> that my

> > > hypoglycemia type symptoms have lessened

> considerably.

> > > That's a blessing. But the extreme ED, lack of

> libido,

> > > tendonitis etc. all are not going away. I'm at

> the maximum

> > > dose of T.

> > >

> > >

> > > I don't know about thyroid and adrenals. I didn't

> have ED

> > > issues until

> > > the E2 climbed high.

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Jim we are reassing the thyroid, adrenals, and testosterone levels I have an

idea that thyroid took a nose dive like many times it does when TRT is started

...About 4-5 weeks is when it usually surfaces. We are ruling ever factor out..

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >How were your adrenal and thyroid functions?

> > How fast

> > > > did your ED go away. I do feel better in the fact

> > that my

> > > > hypoglycemia type symptoms have lessened

> > considerably.

> > > > That's a blessing. But the extreme ED, lack of

> > libido,

> > > > tendonitis etc. all are not going away. I'm at

> > the maximum

> > > > dose of T.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I don't know about thyroid and adrenals. I didn't

> > have ED

> > > > issues until

> > > > the E2 climbed high.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Once testosteorne is in place and e2 is in check then we will add in HCG to give

the finally kick. That is why we are using serum vs urine to give a compatible

reading. Looking at thyroid wll also be another big impact as well..

> >

> > >Phil, you have 27 yrs of TRT history? You didn't have ED issues in the

beginning? Retro, I don't know your history , but the same question applies to

your history as well. I thought low T and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > >

> > >I have no choice but to be patient with the process back to where I'd like

to be. I quess I have to accept the outcome. There was a guy posting here last

month saying his penial function did'nt return. I don't know his situation, but

maybe this is what's in my future. Since I have a history of testicular cancer,

maybe this could be a factor. I had radiation though, not chemo.

> >

> >

> > If I recall your T is so low your E2 is low also. that would be an ED

> > issue and libido killer.

> >

> > I suspect when you get your T up and your E2 down, things will

> > improve.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jim if you want to get your E2 levels up fast do some HCG or take 50 mgs of DHEA

2x's a day for a month.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 6:02 AM

> Retro answer me this, if my T is now

> in the 700 range and E2 still low, will the E2 come up or

> could it stay low for whatever reason? If it should come up,

> whats the average time this takes?

>

> I know this is a progressive process, you guys are trying

> to beat this into my head, but I hear guys that go on TRT

> starting to feel great and staying feeling good.

>

>

> >

> > >Phil, you have 27 yrs of TRT history? You didn't

> have ED issues in the beginning? Retro, I don't know your

> history , but the same question applies to your history as

> well. I thought low T and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > >

> > >I have no choice but to be patient with the

> process back to where I'd like to be. I quess I have to

> accept the outcome. There was a guy posting here last month

> saying his penial function did'nt return. I don't know his

> situation, but maybe this is what's in my future. Since I

> have a history of testicular cancer, maybe this could be a

> factor. I had radiation though, not chemo.

> >

> >

> > If I recall your T is so low your E2 is low also. that

> would be an ED

> > issue and libido killer.

> >

> > I suspect when you get your T up and your E2 down,

> things will

> > improve.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil have you tried Melanotan II subQ?

This is their site.

http://melanotan.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >How were your adrenal and thyroid functions?

> > How fast

> > > > did your ED go away. I do feel better in the fact

> > that my

> > > > hypoglycemia type symptoms have lessened

> > considerably.

> > > > That's a blessing. But the extreme ED, lack of

> > libido,

> > > > tendonitis etc. all are not going away. I'm at

> > the maximum

> > > > dose of T.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I don't know about thyroid and adrenals. I didn't

> > have ED

> > > > issues until

> > > > the E2 climbed high.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

No for what I don't need a tan.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mqsymth <alphadennis@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 12:21 PM

> Phil have you tried Melanotan II

> subQ?

>

> This is their site.

> http://melanotan.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >How were your adrenal and thyroid

> functions?

> > > How fast

> > > > > did your ED go away. I do feel better

> in the fact

> > > that my

> > > > > hypoglycemia type symptoms have

> lessened

> > > considerably.

> > > > > That's a blessing. But the extreme ED,

> lack of

> > > libido,

> > > > > tendonitis etc. all are not going away.

> I'm at

> > > the maximum

> > > > > dose of T.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know about thyroid and

> adrenals. I didn't

> > > have ED

> > > > > issues until

> > > > > the E2 climbed high.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I've been reading that DHEA usage should be avoided by guys that had testicular

cancer, prostate enlargment or prostate cancer. I also read that this was

something that a government organization came up with in the 90's to discourage

its use. Does anyone know about this? I had testicular cancer.

> > >

> > > >Phil, you have 27 yrs of TRT history? You didn't

> > have ED issues in the beginning? Retro, I don't know your

> > history , but the same question applies to your history as

> > well. I thought low T and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > >

> > > >I have no choice but to be patient with the

> > process back to where I'd like to be. I quess I have to

> > accept the outcome. There was a guy posting here last month

> > saying his penial function did'nt return. I don't know his

> > situation, but maybe this is what's in my future. Since I

> > have a history of testicular cancer, maybe this could be a

> > factor. I had radiation though, not chemo.

> > >

> > >

> > > If I recall your T is so low your E2 is low also. that

> > would be an ED

> > > issue and libido killer.

> > >

> > > I suspect when you get your T up and your E2 down,

> > things will

> > > improve.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Jim then just do some HCG what your testis can't handle the rest will convert

into Estradiol.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 6:20 AM

> I've been reading that DHEA usage

> should be avoided by guys that had testicular cancer,

> prostate enlargment or prostate cancer. I also read that

> this was something that a government organization came up

> with in the 90's to discourage its use. Does anyone know

> about this? I had testicular cancer.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > >Phil, you have 27 yrs of TRT history?

> You didn't

> > > have ED issues in the beginning? Retro, I don't

> know your

> > > history , but the same question applies to your

> history as

> > > well. I thought low T and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > >

> > > > >I have no choice but to be patient with

> the

> > > process back to where I'd like to be. I quess I

> have to

> > > accept the outcome. There was a guy posting here

> last month

> > > saying his penial function did'nt return. I don't

> know his

> > > situation, but maybe this is what's in my future.

> Since I

> > > have a history of testicular cancer, maybe this

> could be a

> > > factor. I had radiation though, not chemo.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > If I recall your T is so low your E2 is low

> also. that

> > > would be an ED

> > > > issue and libido killer.

> > > >

> > > > I suspect when you get your T up and your E2

> down,

> > > things will

> > > > improve.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

We are preping him for hcg it has to be done in proper sequence or it could come

back to bite us in the ass later on down the road. Taking little longer time

getting things right is going to act for better therapy. I wish I would have

somebody that did it right the first time and listened I would not have been

this mess in the first place.

> > > > >

> > > > > >Phil, you have 27 yrs of TRT history?

> > You didn't

> > > > have ED issues in the beginning? Retro, I don't

> > know your

> > > > history , but the same question applies to your

> > history as

> > > > well. I thought low T and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I have no choice but to be patient with

> > the

> > > > process back to where I'd like to be. I quess I

> > have to

> > > > accept the outcome. There was a guy posting here

> > last month

> > > > saying his penial function did'nt return. I don't

> > know his

> > > > situation, but maybe this is what's in my future.

> > Since I

> > > > have a history of testicular cancer, maybe this

> > could be a

> > > > factor. I had radiation though, not chemo.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > If I recall your T is so low your E2 is low

> > also. that

> > > > would be an ED

> > > > > issue and libido killer.

> > > > >

> > > > > I suspect when you get your T up and your E2

> > down,

> > > > things will

> > > > > improve.

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[Guest guest]

Jim you bring up a good point, the reason being is that there 2/16 hydrox ratio

are altered which will be explored in the very near future. That is why these

pathways need to be check before commencing. In many cases on could use 7 keto

to help over come this as it gives same benefits of dhea with out the down side

of e2. Your case has to be handle with percise percision due to the factors

involved.

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> > > > >Phil, you have 27 yrs of TRT history? You didn't

> > > have ED issues in the beginning? Retro, I don't know your

> > > history , but the same question applies to your history as

> > > well. I thought low T and ED go hand-in-hand.

> > > > >

> > > > >I have no choice but to be patient with the

> > > process back to where I'd like to be. I quess I have to

> > > accept the outcome. There was a guy posting here last month

> > > saying his penial function did'nt return. I don't know his

> > > situation, but maybe this is what's in my future. Since I

> > > have a history of testicular cancer, maybe this could be a

> > > factor. I had radiation though, not chemo.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > If I recall your T is so low your E2 is low also. that

> > > would be an ED

> > > > issue and libido killer.

> > > >

> > > > I suspect when you get your T up and your E2 down,

> > > things will

> > > > improve.

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