Re: need help with the labs

October 8, 2009

Hi Jim,

Your testy is not making enough testosterone I see this by your high levels of

LH and FSH your Pituitary is asking for Testosterone by sending a lot of LH and

FSH to your testy trying to tell it to make more Testosterone.

You need to go on Testosterone meds I do and like shots the best but if you have

a drug plain that pays for meds try Andorgel first start with 7.5 grams.

Your Vit.-D is dam low this will make you sick and have problems sleeping. I

use this and take 6 drops every morning I put it on the back of my hand and lick

it off.

Bio D-Mulsion Forte

http://www.mccombsplanstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BIOD

Watch this link.

http://www.uvadvantage.org/portals/0/pres/

Your Estradiol is to low and going on TRT will bring this up best levels if your

SHBG is mid range is 20 pg/ml. Do you get night time and morning wood I think

not, and going on TRT and getting your ratio of T to Estradiol up your wood will

come back.

Your Cortisol levels show me you have Adrenal Fatigue. Here are some FAQ's I

helped do when I was a mod at STTM.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=256

It's hard to get a Dr. to treat Adrenal Fatigue this is a big problem and most

people with this problem have a Thyroid Problem try doing this home test to see

if your Thyroid is low.

http://drbate.com/Ref/thyroid.html

Your Panic Attacks can be due to your low hormones I had them for yrs until I

found out I was Secondary my Pituitary dose not work so after finding this out

only took me 23 yrs seeing all kinds of Dr.'s.

I treat my low Testosterone, Cortisol, Thyroid, Ferritin, Aldosterone and Iron

levels I am fine.

Stop working out until you get started treating your bad Adrenals if you keep

over doing it or do not listen to your body your going to stress your Adrenals

even more. Here is a link on how I got started treating my low Adrenals and

Thyroid.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=24

And this link is to my story.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

You need to be free of cancer before adding testosterone to your body.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 10:11 PM

> just got the lab results. i'm 49

> & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going to list

> all of them because there's a lot of them.

>

> testosterone serum (total) 378 range

> 350-1030

> bioavailable T 154 ng/dl

> range 95-350

> LH 7.0 mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> FSH 15.4 mIU/dl range

> 1.4- 18.1

> Estradiol, sensitive 14pg/ml

> range 3-70

> T4 8.8ug/dl range 4.5-12.0

> T3 uptake 35% range 24-39

> progesterone 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> prealbumin 34mg/dl range 20-40

> prolactin 4.4 ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> copper serum 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> thyroxine binding globulin

> 15ug/ml range 13-39

> aldosterone 14.5ng/dl range 1.0-16.0

> Norepinephine,P1 427pg/ml range

> 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Insulin like growth factor 106ng/ml

> range 94-252

> Lp-PLA2 60ng/ml range

> 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml range 32.0-100

> LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA (Genova Diagnostics)

> early AM 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> noon 0.08 range

> 0.10-0.41 LOW

> early PM 0.06 range 0.05-0.27

> MARGINAL

> late PM <0.03 range

> 0.03-0.14 LOW

>

> I know this is a lot of data to take in but any help would

> be greatly appeciated. I am experiencing ED, very low

> libido, night time sweats, poor sleep patterns, my remaining

> nut is about 1/2 the size it was 2 yrs. ago. I train with

> weights but have not been able to put on any muscle,

> actually losing it as well as strength. I have been

> experiencing what i think arte panic attacks in the last few

> months.

>

> Thanks to all that post on this forum.

>

> Jim

>

> ------------------------------------

>

October 8, 2009

Phil,

I have an appt. with HAN and Dr. Overbeck tomoorow. I'm looking forward to it. I

haven't been lifting weights in about a month. Just too tired and what's the use

if nothing is happening. I will start back real light in a couple of weeks when

I start to feel better. Do you think this is OK?

I feel this is the next phase in my life. Things can be good, but i'm not young

anymore. I have to really listen to what my body is telling me. Continue to

learn.

i'll check the link out that you posted. I've read your story. You've been down

a tough road. It's great to see you're doing well. How has the lifting been

going?

As for the cancer, I'm told I'm free.

Take care,

Jim

>

> > From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> > Subject: need help with the labs

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 10:11 PM

> > just got the lab results. i'm 49

> > & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going to list

> > all of them because there's a lot of them.

> >

> > testosterone serum (total) 378 range

> > 350-1030

> > bioavailable T 154 ng/dl

> > range 95-350

> > LH 7.0 mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > FSH 15.4 mIU/dl range

> > 1.4- 18.1

> > Estradiol, sensitive 14pg/ml

> > range 3-70

> > T4 8.8ug/dl range 4.5-12.0

> > T3 uptake 35% range 24-39

> > progesterone 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > prealbumin 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > prolactin 4.4 ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > copper serum 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > thyroxine binding globulin

> > 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > aldosterone 14.5ng/dl range 1.0-16.0

> > Norepinephine,P1 427pg/ml range

> > 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > Insulin like growth factor 106ng/ml

> > range 94-252

> > Lp-PLA2 60ng/ml range

> > 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml range 32.0-100

> > LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA (Genova Diagnostics)

> > early AM 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > noon 0.08 range

> > 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > early PM 0.06 range 0.05-0.27

> > MARGINAL

> > late PM <0.03 range

> > 0.03-0.14 LOW

> >

> > I know this is a lot of data to take in but any help would

> > be greatly appeciated. I am experiencing ED, very low

> > libido, night time sweats, poor sleep patterns, my remaining

> > nut is about 1/2 the size it was 2 yrs. ago. I train with

> > weights but have not been able to put on any muscle,

> > actually losing it as well as strength. I have been

> > experiencing what i think arte panic attacks in the last few

> > months.

> >

> > Thanks to all that post on this forum.

> >

> > Jim

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

October 8, 2009

Han is a bodybuilder and Trainer soon to be a Dr. of Naturopathic Medicine or

something like this. I would go over what you should be doing with them. I am

doing good in the gym yesterday I did not feel like working out and when I was

done I did not recover for hrs. But today I am fine just one of them days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 11:19 AM

> Phil,

> I have an appt. with HAN and Dr. Overbeck tomoorow. I'm

> looking forward to it. I haven't been lifting weights in

> about a month. Just too tired and what's the use if nothing

> is happening. I will start back real light in a couple of

> weeks when I start to feel better. Do you think this is OK?

>

> I feel this is the next phase in my life. Things can be

> good, but i'm not young anymore. I have to really listen to

> what my body is telling me. Continue to learn.

>

> i'll check the link out that you posted. I've read your

> story. You've been down a tough road. It's great to see

> you're doing well. How has the lifting been going?

>

> As for the cancer, I'm told I'm free.

>

> Take care,

>

> Jim

>

> >

> > > From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> > > Subject: need help with the labs

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 10:11 PM

> > > just got the lab results. i'm 49

> > > & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going

> to list

> > > all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > >

> > > testosterone serum (total) 378 range

> > > 350-1030

> > > bioavailable T 154 ng/dl

> > > range 95-350

> > > LH 7.0 mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > FSH 15.4 mIU/dl range

> > > 1.4- 18.1

> > > Estradiol, sensitive 14pg/ml

> > > range 3-70

> > > T4 8.8ug/dl range 4.5-12.0

> > > T3 uptake 35% range 24-39

> > > progesterone 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > prealbumin 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > prolactin 4.4 ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > copper serum 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > thyroxine binding globulin

> > > 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > aldosterone 14.5ng/dl range 1.0-16.0

> > > Norepinephine,P1 427pg/ml range

> > > 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > Insulin like growth factor 106ng/ml

> > > range 94-252

> > > Lp-PLA2 60ng/ml range

> > > 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml range 32.0-100

> > > LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA (Genova

> Diagnostics)

> > > early AM 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > noon 0.08 range

> > > 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > early PM 0.06 range 0.05-0.27

> > > MARGINAL

> > > late PM <0.03 range

> > > 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > >

> > > I know this is a lot of data to take in but any

> help would

> > > be greatly appeciated. I am experiencing ED, very

> low

> > > libido, night time sweats, poor sleep patterns,

> my remaining

> > > nut is about 1/2 the size it was 2 yrs. ago. I

> train with

> > > weights but have not been able to put on any

> muscle,

> > > actually losing it as well as strength. I have

> been

> > > experiencing what i think arte panic attacks in

> the last few

> > > months.

> > >

> > > Thanks to all that post on this forum.

> > >

> > > Jim

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

October 8, 2009

Afer you appointment when we have all the medical and patient background then we

will decide what the proper course of actions is. It depends on alot of

variables which need to be ruled out first.

> > >

> > > > From: jim <virtuosa150@>

> > > > Subject: need help with the labs

> > > >

> > > > Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 10:11 PM

> > > > just got the lab results. i'm 49

> > > > & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going

> > to list

> > > > all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > > >

> > > > testosterone serum (total) 378 range

> > > > 350-1030

> > > > bioavailable T 154 ng/dl

> > > > range 95-350

> > > > LH 7.0 mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > FSH 15.4 mIU/dl range

> > > > 1.4- 18.1

> > > > Estradiol, sensitive 14pg/ml

> > > > range 3-70

> > > > T4 8.8ug/dl range 4.5-12.0

> > > > T3 uptake 35% range 24-39

> > > > progesterone 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > prealbumin 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > > prolactin 4.4 ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > > copper serum 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > > thyroxine binding globulin

> > > > 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > aldosterone 14.5ng/dl range 1.0-16.0

> > > > Norepinephine,P1 427pg/ml range

> > > > 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > Insulin like growth factor 106ng/ml

> > > > range 94-252

> > > > Lp-PLA2 60ng/ml range

> > > > 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml range 32.0-100

> > > > LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA (Genova

> > Diagnostics)

> > > > early AM 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > > noon 0.08 range

> > > > 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > early PM 0.06 range 0.05-0.27

> > > > MARGINAL

> > > > late PM <0.03 range

> > > > 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > >

> > > > I know this is a lot of data to take in but any

> > help would

> > > > be greatly appeciated. I am experiencing ED, very

> > low

> > > > libido, night time sweats, poor sleep patterns,

> > my remaining

> > > > nut is about 1/2 the size it was 2 yrs. ago. I

> > train with

> > > > weights but have not been able to put on any

> > muscle,

> > > > actually losing it as well as strength. I have

> > been

> > > > experiencing what i think arte panic attacks in

> > the last few

> > > > months.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks to all that post on this forum.

> > > >

> > > > Jim

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

October 8, 2009

You will be in good hands tommoroww

>

> just got the lab results. i'm 49 & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going

to list all of them because there's a lot of them.

>

> testosterone serum (total) 378 range 350-1030

> bioavailable T 154 ng/dl range 95-350

> LH 7.0 mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> FSH 15.4 mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> Estradiol, sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> T4 8.8ug/dl range 4.5-12.0

> T3 uptake 35% range 24-39

> progesterone 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> prealbumin 34mg/dl range 20-40

> prolactin 4.4 ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> copper serum 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> thyroxine binding globulin 15ug/ml range 13-39

> aldosterone 14.5ng/dl range 1.0-16.0

> Norepinephine,P1 427pg/ml range 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Insulin like growth factor 106ng/ml range 94-252

> Lp-PLA2 60ng/ml range 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml range 32.0-100 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA (Genova Diagnostics)

> early AM 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> noon 0.08 range 0.10-0.41 LOW

> early PM 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> late PM <0.03 range 0.03-0.14 LOW

>

> I know this is a lot of data to take in but any help would be greatly

appeciated. I am experiencing ED, very low libido, night time sweats, poor sleep

patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the size it was 2 yrs. ago. I train with

weights but have not been able to put on any muscle, actually losing it as well

as strength. I have been experiencing what i think arte panic attacks in the

last few months.

>

> Thanks to all that post on this forum.

>

> Jim

>

October 9, 2009

Saw HAN and Dr. Overbeck today. It was a great experience. Both men possess

great knowledge in mens hormonal issues. Both men spent the better part of 2

hrs. with me. Where would you find this with an endo or uro?

The starting regiment will be:

a mega dose of vitamin D tapering down to a daily dose to address the low D

issue.

an herbal formulation from Future Formulations to address the adrenal issues.

a 5mg compounded testosterone to start and tested in 2 wks to see how I am

using it.

a good multivitamin, one better than I am using now.

To be honest, I could not take in all the information that was given. i do feel

that i am in good hands. updates will follow to those men that may have similar

labs.

> >

> > just got the lab results. i'm 49 & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not

going to list all of them because there's a lot of them.

> >

> > testosterone serum (total) 378 range 350-1030

> > bioavailable T 154 ng/dl range 95-350

> > LH 7.0 mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > FSH 15.4 mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > Estradiol, sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > T4 8.8ug/dl range 4.5-12.0

> > T3 uptake 35% range 24-39

> > progesterone 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > prealbumin 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > prolactin 4.4 ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > copper serum 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > thyroxine binding globulin 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > aldosterone 14.5ng/dl range 1.0-16.0

> > Norepinephine,P1 427pg/ml range 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > Insulin like growth factor 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > Lp-PLA2 60ng/ml range 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml range 32.0-100 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA (Genova Diagnostics)

> > early AM 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > noon 0.08 range 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > early PM 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > late PM <0.03 range 0.03-0.14 LOW

> >

> > I know this is a lot of data to take in but any help would be greatly

appeciated. I am experiencing ED, very low libido, night time sweats, poor sleep

patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the size it was 2 yrs. ago. I train with

weights but have not been able to put on any muscle, actually losing it as well

as strength. I have been experiencing what i think arte panic attacks in the

last few months.

> >

> > Thanks to all that post on this forum.

> >

> > Jim

> >

>

October 9, 2009

Jim,

Pleasure meeting you today as well. We feel very confident in the direction you

are going with your treatment. Your T cream has already been called in and

should be recieveing a call from them soon. We hope it was an informative visit

and we will keep an eye on how your hormones could be affecting making necessary

changes.

> > >

> > > just got the lab results. i'm 49 & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not

going to list all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > >

> > > testosterone serum (total) 378 range 350-1030

> > > bioavailable T 154 ng/dl range 95-350

> > > LH 7.0 mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > FSH 15.4 mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > Estradiol, sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > > T4 8.8ug/dl range 4.5-12.0

> > > T3 uptake 35% range 24-39

> > > progesterone 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > prealbumin 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > prolactin 4.4 ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > copper serum 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > thyroxine binding globulin 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > aldosterone 14.5ng/dl range 1.0-16.0

> > > Norepinephine,P1 427pg/ml range 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > Insulin like growth factor 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > > Lp-PLA2 60ng/ml range 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml range 32.0-100 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > early AM 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > noon 0.08 range 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > early PM 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > > late PM <0.03 range 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > >

> > > I know this is a lot of data to take in but any help would be greatly

appeciated. I am experiencing ED, very low libido, night time sweats, poor sleep

patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the size it was 2 yrs. ago. I train with

weights but have not been able to put on any muscle, actually losing it as well

as strength. I have been experiencing what i think arte panic attacks in the

last few months.

> > >

> > > Thanks to all that post on this forum.

> > >

> > > Jim

> > >

> >

>

October 10, 2009

This is great news I have lost count as to how many posts from people that seen

them that said this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 10:28 PM

> Saw HAN and Dr. Overbeck today. It

> was a great experience. Both men possess great knowledge in

> mens hormonal issues. Both men spent the better part of 2

> hrs. with me. Where would you find this with an endo or uro?

>

> The starting regiment will be:

> a mega dose of vitamin D tapering down to a daily

> dose to address the low D issue.

> an herbal formulation from Future Formulations to

> address the adrenal issues.

> a 5mg compounded testosterone to start and tested in

> 2 wks to see how I am using it.

> a good multivitamin, one better than I am using

> now.

>

> To be honest, I could not take in all the information that

> was given. i do feel that i am in good hands. updates will

> follow to those men that may have similar labs.

>

> > >

> > > just got the lab results. i'm 49 & a

> testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going to list all of

> them because there's a lot of them.

> > >

> > > testosterone serum (total)

> 378 range 350-1030

> > > bioavailable T 154 ng/dl

> range 95-350

> > > LH 7.0 mIU/mL range

> 1.5- 9.3

> > > FSH 15.4

> mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > Estradiol,

> sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > > T4 8.8ug/dl range

> 4.5-12.0

> > > T3 uptake 35% range 24-39

> > > progesterone

> 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > prealbumin 34mg/dl range

> 20-40

> > > prolactin 4.4 ng/ml range

> 2.1-17.7

> > > copper serum 22.0mg/dl range

> 70-155

> > > thyroxine binding globulin

> 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > aldosterone 14.5ng/dl range

> 1.0-16.0

> > > Norepinephine,P1 427pg/ml range

> 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > Insulin like growth factor 106ng/ml

> range 94-252

> > > Lp-PLA2 60ng/ml

> range 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml range

> 32.0-100 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA (Genova

> Diagnostics)

> > > early AM 0.96 range

> 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > noon 0.08 range

> 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > early PM

> 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > > late PM

> <0.03 range

> 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > >

> > > I know this is a lot of data to take in but any

> help would be greatly appeciated. I am experiencing ED, very

> low libido, night time sweats, poor sleep patterns, my

> remaining nut is about 1/2 the size it was 2 yrs. ago. I

> train with weights but have not been able to put on any

> muscle, actually losing it as well as strength. I have been

> experiencing what i think arte panic attacks in the last few

> months.

> > >

> > > Thanks to all that post on this forum.

> > >

> > > Jim

> > >

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

October 10, 2009

In the next 6 months to a year we hope to bring a new dimension to the word

wellness. We are also branching out to now include CFS, fibromalasia, autism,

cancer, aids, and any other degenerative disease that are plaquing america. Our

goal is to help to examine them from a nutritoinal and hormonal stand point to

improve the persons quality of life.

> > > >

> > > > just got the lab results. i'm 49 & a

> > testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going to list all of

> > them because there's a lot of them.

> > > >

> > > > testosterone serum (total)

> > 378 range 350-1030

> > > > bioavailable T 154 ng/dl

> > range 95-350

> > > > LH 7.0 mIU/mL range

> > 1.5- 9.3

> > > > FSH 15.4

> > mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > Estradiol,

> > sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > > > T4 8.8ug/dl range

> > 4.5-12.0

> > > > T3 uptake 35% range 24-39

> > > > progesterone

> > 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > prealbumin 34mg/dl range

> > 20-40

> > > > prolactin 4.4 ng/ml range

> > 2.1-17.7

> > > > copper serum 22.0mg/dl range

> > 70-155

> > > > thyroxine binding globulin

> > 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > aldosterone 14.5ng/dl range

> > 1.0-16.0

> > > > Norepinephine,P1 427pg/ml range

> > 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > Insulin like growth factor 106ng/ml

> > range 94-252

> > > > Lp-PLA2 60ng/ml

> > range 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml range

> > 32.0-100 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA (Genova

> > Diagnostics)

> > > > early AM 0.96 range

> > 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > > noon 0.08 range

> > 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > early PM

> > 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > > > late PM

> > <0.03 range

> > 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > >

> > > > I know this is a lot of data to take in but any

> > help would be greatly appeciated. I am experiencing ED, very

> > low libido, night time sweats, poor sleep patterns, my

> > remaining nut is about 1/2 the size it was 2 yrs. ago. I

> > train with weights but have not been able to put on any

> > muscle, actually losing it as well as strength. I have been

> > experiencing what i think arte panic attacks in the last few

> > months.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks to all that post on this forum.

> > > >

> > > > Jim

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

October 10, 2009

HAN,

as we spoke about, my sister suffers from fibromyalgia and I have a niece 15

yrs. old that was diagnosed with a form or autism known as Asperger syndrome.

You know my history with testicular cancer. This type of cancer, although

somewhat rare is on the rise. What might be the cause of this? Probably the shi%

that is added to so many of the foods that we eat.

I believe in your clinics approach and will speak with my sister and my sister

inlaw about your expertise and direct them to you.

> > > > >

> > > > > just got the lab results. i'm 49 & a

> > > testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going to list all of

> > > them because there's a lot of them.

> > > > >

> > > > > testosterone serum (total)

> > > 378 range 350-1030

> > > > > bioavailable T 154 ng/dl

> > > range 95-350

> > > > > LH 7.0 mIU/mL range

> > > 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > FSH 15.4

> > > mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > Estradiol,

> > > sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > > > > T4 8.8ug/dl range

> > > 4.5-12.0

> > > > > T3 uptake 35% range 24-39

> > > > > progesterone

> > > 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > prealbumin 34mg/dl range

> > > 20-40

> > > > > prolactin 4.4 ng/ml range

> > > 2.1-17.7

> > > > > copper serum 22.0mg/dl range

> > > 70-155

> > > > > thyroxine binding globulin

> > > 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > > aldosterone 14.5ng/dl range

> > > 1.0-16.0

> > > > > Norepinephine,P1 427pg/ml range

> > > 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > Insulin like growth factor 106ng/ml

> > > range 94-252

> > > > > Lp-PLA2 60ng/ml

> > > range 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml range

> > > 32.0-100 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA (Genova

> > > Diagnostics)

> > > > > early AM 0.96 range

> > > 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > > > noon 0.08 range

> > > 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > > early PM

> > > 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > > > > late PM

> > > <0.03 range

> > > 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > > >

> > > > > I know this is a lot of data to take in but any

> > > help would be greatly appeciated. I am experiencing ED, very

> > > low libido, night time sweats, poor sleep patterns, my

> > > remaining nut is about 1/2 the size it was 2 yrs. ago. I

> > > train with weights but have not been able to put on any

> > > muscle, actually losing it as well as strength. I have been

> > > experiencing what i think arte panic attacks in the last few

> > > months.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks to all that post on this forum.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jim

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

October 13, 2009

Got my T cream this afternoon. I hope it will make me feel better. i've been

using the adrenal support supplement and did a massive dose of vitimin D the

last few days. Yesterday and today I didn't have the hypoglycemic lows like I've

had the last 6 or so months. That's a huge relief for me. i hope it continues. I

still lack vigor and stamina. I hope this comes with the TRT. It's a low dose

though.

> > > >

> > > > just got the lab results. i'm 49 & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not

going to list all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > > >

> > > > testosterone serum (total) 378 range 350-1030

> > > > bioavailable T 154 ng/dl range 95-350

> > > > LH 7.0 mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > FSH 15.4 mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > Estradiol, sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > > > T4 8.8ug/dl range 4.5-12.0

> > > > T3 uptake 35% range 24-39

> > > > progesterone 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > prealbumin 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > > prolactin 4.4 ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > > copper serum 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > > thyroxine binding globulin 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > aldosterone 14.5ng/dl range 1.0-16.0

> > > > Norepinephine,P1 427pg/ml range 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > Insulin like growth factor 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > > > Lp-PLA2 60ng/ml range 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml range 32.0-100 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > early AM 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > > noon 0.08 range 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > early PM 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > > > late PM <0.03 range 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > >

> > > > I know this is a lot of data to take in but any help would be greatly

appeciated. I am experiencing ED, very low libido, night time sweats, poor sleep

patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the size it was 2 yrs. ago. I train with

weights but have not been able to put on any muscle, actually losing it as well

as strength. I have been experiencing what i think arte panic attacks in the

last few months.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks to all that post on this forum.

> > > >

> > > > Jim

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 21, 2009

I've been on the 50 ml of compunded T for 9 days now. I really see no

difference. Should I be seeing any improvement in the Wood area? None in the

morning or throughout the day. god I feel old!

I'm due for some testing of T, DHT, 24hr T and E2. I hope these show something.

I want to get back to lifting weights. I estimate that I've lost about 15lbs. of

muscle. The fat is still there though. I'm f'ing depressed.

> > > > >

> > > > > just got the lab results. i'm 49 & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm

not going to list all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > > > >

> > > > > testosterone serum (total) 378 range 350-1030

> > > > > bioavailable T 154 ng/dl range 95-350

> > > > > LH 7.0 mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > FSH 15.4 mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > Estradiol, sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > > > > T4 8.8ug/dl range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > T3 uptake 35% range 24-39

> > > > > progesterone 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > prealbumin 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > > > prolactin 4.4 ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > copper serum 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > > > thyroxine binding globulin 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > > aldosterone 14.5ng/dl range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > Norepinephine,P1 427pg/ml range 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > Insulin like growth factor 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > > > > Lp-PLA2 60ng/ml range 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml range 32.0-100 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > early AM 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > > > noon 0.08 range 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > > early PM 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > > > > late PM <0.03 range 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > > >

> > > > > I know this is a lot of data to take in but any help would be greatly

appeciated. I am experiencing ED, very low libido, night time sweats, poor sleep

patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the size it was 2 yrs. ago. I train with

weights but have not been able to put on any muscle, actually losing it as well

as strength. I have been experiencing what i think arte panic attacks in the

last few months.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks to all that post on this forum.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jim

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 21, 2009

its only been 10 days once the blood test come in then it will be increased

according. 2 hours after application you are probably peaking about 300-350

because of the negative feed back loop from the brain. so you levels even may

be lower then when you started but that should change, but this was anciprated

and modification will be made immediatly. You will have our answer pretty sooon

> > > > > >

> > > > > > just got the lab results. i'm 49 & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm

not going to list all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > testosterone serum (total) 378 range 350-1030

> > > > > > bioavailable T 154 ng/dl range 95-350

> > > > > > LH 7.0 mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > FSH 15.4 mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > Estradiol, sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > > > > > T4 8.8ug/dl range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > T3 uptake 35% range 24-39

> > > > > > progesterone 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > prealbumin 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > > > > prolactin 4.4 ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > copper serum 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > > > > thyroxine binding globulin 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > > > aldosterone 14.5ng/dl range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > Norepinephine,P1 427pg/ml range 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > Insulin like growth factor 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > > > > > Lp-PLA2 60ng/ml range 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml range 32.0-100 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > early AM 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > > > > noon 0.08 range 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > > > early PM 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > > > > > late PM <0.03 range 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know this is a lot of data to take in but any help would be

greatly appeciated. I am experiencing ED, very low libido, night time sweats,

poor sleep patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the size it was 2 yrs. ago. I

train with weights but have not been able to put on any muscle, actually losing

it as well as strength. I have been experiencing what i think arte panic attacks

in the last few months.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks to all that post on this forum.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jim

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 21, 2009

I don't remember how long it takes on a compounded cream but with gels you feel

it by now and if the dose is to low by the 2nd. week you would fall back. If

you don't get wood it will be your low T to Estradiol ratio is off and you will

need to get your T levels up. But if your Estradiol levels were high to start

with going on this cream might make it go higher. We don't see wood real fast

going on TRT it takes time. First you need to keep doing labs until your levels

are up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range and you keep your Estradiol levels

down to about 20 pg/ml.

Then your body starts to undo any damage done by having low levels and you start

to feel better a little everyday. This does not happen over night think about

how long you were low. It takes time and one needs to keep doing labs going by

how they feel and upping the dose until you feel good.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 1:14 PM

> I've been on the 50 ml of compunded T

> for 9 days now. I really see no difference. Should I be

> seeing any improvement in the Wood area? None in the morning

> or throughout the day. god I feel old!

>

> I'm due for some testing of T, DHT, 24hr T and E2. I hope

> these show something. I want to get back to lifting weights.

> I estimate that I've lost about 15lbs. of muscle. The fat is

> still there though. I'm f'ing depressed.

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > just got the lab results. i'm 49

> & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going to list

> all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > testosterone serum (total)

> 378 range 350-1030

> > > > > > bioavailable

> T 154 ng/dl range 95-350

> > > > > > LH 7.0

> mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > FSH 15.4

> mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > Estradiol,

> sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > > > > > T4 8.8ug/dl

> range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > T3 uptake 35% range

> 24-39

> > > > > > progesterone

> 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > prealbumin

> 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > > > > prolactin 4.4

> ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > copper serum

> 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > > > > thyroxine binding globulin

> 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > > > aldosterone 14.5ng/dl

> range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > Norepinephine,P1

> 427pg/ml range

> 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > Insulin like growth factor

> 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > > > > > Lp-PLA2

> 60ng/ml range

> 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml

> range 32.0-100 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA

> (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > early AM

> 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > > > > noon

> 0.08 range 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > > > early PM

> 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > > > > > late PM

> <0.03 range

> 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know this is a lot of data to

> take in but any help would be greatly appeciated. I am

> experiencing ED, very low libido, night time sweats, poor

> sleep patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the size it

> was 2 yrs. ago. I train with weights but have not been able

> to put on any muscle, actually losing it as well as

> strength. I have been experiencing what i think arte panic

> attacks in the last few months.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks to all that post on this

> forum.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jim

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

October 22, 2009

Phil,

Is 10mg the highest dose of a compounded T cream?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > just got the lab results. i'm 49

> > & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going to list

> > all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > testosterone serum (total)

> > 378 range 350-1030

> > > > > > > bioavailable

> > T 154 ng/dl range 95-350

> > > > > > > LH 7.0

> > mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > FSH 15.4

> > mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > Estradiol,

> > sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > > > > > > T4 8.8ug/dl

> > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > T3 uptake 35% range

> > 24-39

> > > > > > > progesterone

> > 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > prealbumin

> > 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > > > > > prolactin 4.4

> > ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > copper serum

> > 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > > > > > thyroxine binding globulin

> > 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > > > > aldosterone 14.5ng/dl

> > range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > Norepinephine,P1

> > 427pg/ml range

> > 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > Insulin like growth factor

> > 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > > > > > > Lp-PLA2

> > 60ng/ml range

> > 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml

> > range 32.0-100 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > 24hr salivary cortisoland DHEA

> > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > early AM

> > 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > > > > > noon

> > 0.08 range 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > > > > early PM

> > 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > > > > > > late PM

> > <0.03 range

> > 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know this is a lot of data to

> > take in but any help would be greatly appeciated. I am

> > experiencing ED, very low libido, night time sweats, poor

> > sleep patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the size it

> > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with weights but have not been able

> > to put on any muscle, actually losing it as well as

> > strength. I have been experiencing what i think arte panic

> > attacks in the last few months.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks to all that post on this

> > forum.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

October 22, 2009

You mean 10% right creams come mixed in % and yes 10 is strong all you can do is

labs see how you look if they are not up onto the upper 1/3 of your labs range

and you still don't feel great add more of this dose of cream.

And make sure your keeping Estradiol levels down.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 1:59 PM

> Phil,

>

> Is 10mg the highest dose of a compounded T cream?

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > just got the lab

> results. i'm 49

> > > & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going

> to list

> > > all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > testosterone serum

> (total)

> > > 378 range 350-1030

> > > > > > > > bioavailable

> > > T 154 ng/dl range 95-350

> > > > > > > > LH 7.0

> > > mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > > FSH 15.4

> > > mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > > Estradiol,

> > > sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > > > > > > > T4 8.8ug/dl

> > > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > > T3 uptake 35%

> range

> > > 24-39

> > > > > > > > progesterone

> > > 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > > prealbumin

> > > 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > > > > > > prolactin 4.4

> > > ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > > copper serum

> > > 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > > > > > > thyroxine binding

> globulin

> > > 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > > > > > aldosterone

> 14.5ng/dl

> > > range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > > Norepinephine,P1

> > > 427pg/ml range

> > > 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > Insulin like growth

> factor

> > > 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > > > > > > > Lp-PLA2

> > > 60ng/ml range

> > > 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml

> > > range 32.0-100 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > 24hr salivary

> cortisoland DHEA

> > > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > > early AM

> > > 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > > > > > > noon

> > > 0.08 range 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > > > > > early PM

> > > 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > > > > > > > late PM

> > > <0.03 range

> > > 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know this is a lot of

> data to

> > > take in but any help would be greatly appeciated.

> I am

> > > experiencing ED, very low libido, night time

> sweats, poor

> > > sleep patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the

> size it

> > > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with weights but have not

> been able

> > > to put on any muscle, actually losing it as well

> as

> > > strength. I have been experiencing what i think

> arte panic

> > > attacks in the last few months.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks to all that post

> on this

> > > forum.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

November 16, 2009

It's been 6 days since I've been increased to 10% now. I feel no different. When

the F will this stuff kick in? Will it start to work? Shouldn't I be feeling

somewhat better by now?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > just got the lab

> > results. i'm 49

> > > > & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm not going

> > to list

> > > > all of them because there's a lot of them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > testosterone serum

> > (total)

> > > > 378 range 350-1030

> > > > > > > > > bioavailable

> > > > T 154 ng/dl range 95-350

> > > > > > > > > LH 7.0

> > > > mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > > > FSH 15.4

> > > > mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > > > Estradiol,

> > > > sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > > > > > > > > T4 8.8ug/dl

> > > > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > > > T3 uptake 35%

> > range

> > > > 24-39

> > > > > > > > > progesterone

> > > > 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > > > prealbumin

> > > > 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > > > > > > > prolactin 4.4

> > > > ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > > > copper serum

> > > > 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > > > > > > > thyroxine binding

> > globulin

> > > > 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > > > > > > aldosterone

> > 14.5ng/dl

> > > > range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > > > Norepinephine,P1

> > > > 427pg/ml range

> > > > 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > Insulin like growth

> > factor

> > > > 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > > > > > > > > Lp-PLA2

> > > > 60ng/ml range

> > > > 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > Vitamin D 24.6ng/ml

> > > > range 32.0-100 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > 24hr salivary

> > cortisoland DHEA

> > > > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > > > early AM

> > > > 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > > > > > > > noon

> > > > 0.08 range 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > > > > > > early PM

> > > > 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > > > > > > > > late PM

> > > > <0.03 range

> > > > 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I know this is a lot of

> > data to

> > > > take in but any help would be greatly appeciated.

> > I am

> > > > experiencing ED, very low libido, night time

> > sweats, poor

> > > > sleep patterns, my remaining nut is about 1/2 the

> > size it

> > > > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with weights but have not

> > been able

> > > > to put on any muscle, actually losing it as well

> > as

> > > > strength. I have been experiencing what i think

> > arte panic

> > > > attacks in the last few months.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks to all that post

> > on this

> > > > forum.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

November 17, 2009

I don't remember what your levels were but if your very low you can feel a serge

in your levels going on TRT in the first month on gels and creams. What can

happen is you will get some sore and hard nipples much like we get with high

levels of Estradiol levels. But in just starting TRT it is the change is T

levels going up that do this. And it falls back quick as your body adjusts to

the new levels.

Some men feel better faster then others one reason for this is some men with low

T are so low there Estradiol levels are low. So going on TRT brings there

Estradiol levels up and they get there sex life back. Being to low on Estradiol

will kill your sex live very fast faster then being to high. You need

Testosterone to make Estradiol.

Six days is not long enough to tell how your going to feel some Dr.'s give a big

shot of Depo T to jump start there men when just starting TRT.

Give it time if your not feeling better in 2 weeks call your Dr. and get tested

some men have a thicker skin and gels and creams can't get through the skin.

Even men starting on shots don't feel all that great this soon you need to get

your levels up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range keeping your Estradiol in

the zone say at about 20 pg/ml. Then you start to feel better a little

everyday. After all it took yrs to get this low and it takes time to come back

some it's a good yr. to get tuned up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 9:00 PM

> It's been 6 days since I've been

> increased to 10% now. I feel no different. When the F will

> this stuff kick in? Will it start to work? Shouldn't I be

> feeling somewhat better by now?

>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > just got the

> lab

> > > results. i'm 49

> > > > > & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm

> not going

> > > to list

> > > > > all of them because there's a lot of

> them.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > testosterone

> serum

> > > (total)

> > > > > 378 range 350-1030

> > > > > > > > > > bioavailable

> > > > > T 154 ng/dl range 95-350

> > > > > > > > > > LH 7.0

> > > > > mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > > > > FSH 15.4

> > > > > mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > > > > Estradiol,

> > > > > sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > > > > > > > > >

> T4 8.8ug/dl

> > > > > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > > > > T3 uptake

> 35%

> > > range

> > > > > 24-39

> > > > > > > > > >

> progesterone

> > > > > 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > > > > prealbumin

> > > > > 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > > > > > > > > prolactin

> 4.4

> > > > > ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > > > > copper serum

> > > > > 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > > > > > > > > thyroxine

> binding

> > > globulin

> > > > > 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > > > > > > > aldosterone

> > > 14.5ng/dl

> > > > > range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > > > >

> Norepinephine,P1

> > > > > 427pg/ml range

> > > > > 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > Insulin like

> growth

> > > factor

> > > > > 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > > > > > > > >

> > Lp-PLA2

> > > > > 60ng/ml range

> > > > > 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > Vitamin D

> 24.6ng/ml

> > > > > range 32.0-100

> LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > 24hr salivary

> > > cortisoland DHEA

> > > > > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > > > > early AM

> > > > > 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > > > > > > > > noon

> > > > > 0.08 range 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > > > > > > > early PM

> > > > > 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > > > > > > > > > late PM

> > > > > <0.03 range

> > > > > 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I know this is

> a lot of

> > > data to

> > > > > take in but any help would be greatly

> appeciated.

> > > I am

> > > > > experiencing ED, very low libido, night

> time

> > > sweats, poor

> > > > > sleep patterns, my remaining nut is

> about 1/2 the

> > > size it

> > > > > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with weights

> but have not

> > > been able

> > > > > to put on any muscle, actually losing

> it as well

> > > as

> > > > > strength. I have been experiencing what

> i think

> > > arte panic

> > > > > attacks in the last few months.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks to all

> that post

> > > on this

> > > > > forum.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

November 17, 2009

After 2 wks on 5% I went from 388 to 544 T. Now I am on 10% but have not been

tested yet. I feel no different in any ways. I don't have any problems with my

nipples. My E2 was at 15 after the wk. blood test. ED and lack of libido are

still with my big time.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > just got the

> > lab

> > > > results. i'm 49

> > > > > > & a testicular cancer survivor. i'm

> > not going

> > > > to list

> > > > > > all of them because there's a lot of

> > them.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > testosterone

> > serum

> > > > (total)

> > > > > > 378 range 350-1030

> > > > > > > > > > > bioavailable

> > > > > > T 154 ng/dl range 95-350

> > > > > > > > > > > LH 7.0

> > > > > > mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > > > > > FSH 15.4

> > > > > > mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > > > > > Estradiol,

> > > > > > sensitive 14pg/ml range 3-70

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > T4 8.8ug/dl

> > > > > > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > > > > > T3 uptake

> > 35%

> > > > range

> > > > > > 24-39

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > progesterone

> > > > > > 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > > > > > prealbumin

> > > > > > 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > > > > > > > > > prolactin

> > 4.4

> > > > > > ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > > > > > copper serum

> > > > > > 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > > > > > > > > > thyroxine

> > binding

> > > > globulin

> > > > > > 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > > > > > > > > aldosterone

> > > > 14.5ng/dl

> > > > > > range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > Norepinephine,P1

> > > > > > 427pg/ml range

> > > > > > 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Insulin like

> > growth

> > > > factor

> > > > > > 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > Lp-PLA2

> > > > > > 60ng/ml range

> > > > > > 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > Vitamin D

> > 24.6ng/ml

> > > > > > range 32.0-100

> > LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > 24hr salivary

> > > > cortisoland DHEA

> > > > > > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > > > > > early AM

> > > > > > 0.96 range 0.27-1.18 NORMAL

> > > > > > > > > > > noon

> > > > > > 0.08 range 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > > > > > > > > early PM

> > > > > > 0.06 range 0.05-0.27 MARGINAL

> > > > > > > > > > > late PM

> > > > > > <0.03 range

> > > > > > 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I know this is

> > a lot of

> > > > data to

> > > > > > take in but any help would be greatly

> > appeciated.

> > > > I am

> > > > > > experiencing ED, very low libido, night

> > time

> > > > sweats, poor

> > > > > > sleep patterns, my remaining nut is

> > about 1/2 the

> > > > size it

> > > > > > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with weights

> > but have not

> > > > been able

> > > > > > to put on any muscle, actually losing

> > it as well

> > > > as

> > > > > > strength. I have been experiencing what

> > i think

> > > > arte panic

> > > > > > attacks in the last few months.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to all

> > that post

> > > > on this

> > > > > > forum.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

November 17, 2009

Give it time your Estradiol is on the low side and doing the 10% cream should

bring this up look of night time and morning wood when this happens you know

your levels are coming up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:50 AM

> After 2 wks on 5% I went from 388 to

> 544 T. Now I am on 10% but have not been tested yet. I feel

> no different in any ways. I don't have any problems with my

> nipples. My E2 was at 15 after the wk. blood test. ED and

> lack of libido are still with my big time.

>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > just

> got the

> > > lab

> > > > > results. i'm 49

> > > > > > > & a testicular cancer

> survivor. i'm

> > > not going

> > > > > to list

> > > > > > > all of them because there's a

> lot of

> > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> testosterone

> > > serum

> > > > > (total)

> > > > > > > 378 range 350-1030

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> bioavailable

> > > > > > > T 154 ng/dl range

> 95-350

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> LH 7.0

> > > > > > > mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> FSH 15.4

> > > > > > > mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Estradiol,

> > > > > > > sensitive 14pg/ml

> range 3-70

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > T4 8.8ug/dl

> > > > > > > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > > > > > > T3

> uptake

> > > 35%

> > > > > range

> > > > > > > 24-39

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > progesterone

> > > > > > > 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> prealbumin

> > > > > > > 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> prolactin

> > > 4.4

> > > > > > > ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> copper serum

> > > > > > > 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> thyroxine

> > > binding

> > > > > globulin

> > > > > > > 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> aldosterone

> > > > > 14.5ng/dl

> > > > > > > range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Norepinephine,P1

> > > > > > > 427pg/ml range

> > > > > > > 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Insulin like

> > > growth

> > > > > factor

> > > > > > > 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > Lp-PLA2

> > > > > > > 60ng/ml range

> > > > > > >

> 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Vitamin D

> > > 24.6ng/ml

> > > > > > > range 32.0-100

> > > LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > 24hr

> salivary

> > > > > cortisoland DHEA

> > > > > > > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > early AM

> > > > > > > 0.96 range 0.27-1.18

> NORMAL

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > noon

> > > > > > > 0.08 range

> 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > early PM

> > > > > > > 0.06 range 0.05-0.27

> MARGINAL

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > late PM

> > > > > > > <0.03 range

> > > > > > > 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I

> know this is

> > > a lot of

> > > > > data to

> > > > > > > take in but any help would be

> greatly

> > > appeciated.

> > > > > I am

> > > > > > > experiencing ED, very low

> libido, night

> > > time

> > > > > sweats, poor

> > > > > > > sleep patterns, my remaining

> nut is

> > > about 1/2 the

> > > > > size it

> > > > > > > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with

> weights

> > > but have not

> > > > > been able

> > > > > > > to put on any muscle,

> actually losing

> > > it as well

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > strength. I have been

> experiencing what

> > > i think

> > > > > arte panic

> > > > > > > attacks in the last few

> months.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> Thanks to all

> > > that post

> > > > > on this

> > > > > > > forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

November 17, 2009

After the next increase will look back into the thyroid and adrenal issues to

make sure that the testosterone is not causing other hormones to go out of

balance. Once we get total T and E in check through serum vs urinary out put

then we will add in the hcg to give the final kick so to speak.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > got the

> > > > lab

> > > > > > results. i'm 49

> > > > > > > > & a testicular cancer

> > survivor. i'm

> > > > not going

> > > > > > to list

> > > > > > > > all of them because there's a

> > lot of

> > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > testosterone

> > > > serum

> > > > > > (total)

> > > > > > > > 378 range 350-1030

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > bioavailable

> > > > > > > > T 154 ng/dl range

> > 95-350

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > LH 7.0

> > > > > > > > mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > FSH 15.4

> > > > > > > > mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Estradiol,

> > > > > > > > sensitive 14pg/ml

> > range 3-70

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > T4 8.8ug/dl

> > > > > > > > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > > > > > > > T3

> > uptake

> > > > 35%

> > > > > > range

> > > > > > > > 24-39

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > progesterone

> > > > > > > > 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > prealbumin

> > > > > > > > 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > prolactin

> > > > 4.4

> > > > > > > > ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > copper serum

> > > > > > > > 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > thyroxine

> > > > binding

> > > > > > globulin

> > > > > > > > 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > aldosterone

> > > > > > 14.5ng/dl

> > > > > > > > range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > Norepinephine,P1

> > > > > > > > 427pg/ml range

> > > > > > > > 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Insulin like

> > > > growth

> > > > > > factor

> > > > > > > > 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > Lp-PLA2

> > > > > > > > 60ng/ml range

> > > > > > > >

> > 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Vitamin D

> > > > 24.6ng/ml

> > > > > > > > range 32.0-100

> > > > LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 24hr

> > salivary

> > > > > > cortisoland DHEA

> > > > > > > > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > early AM

> > > > > > > > 0.96 range 0.27-1.18

> > NORMAL

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > noon

> > > > > > > > 0.08 range

> > 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > early PM

> > > > > > > > 0.06 range 0.05-0.27

> > MARGINAL

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > late PM

> > > > > > > > <0.03 range

> > > > > > > > 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > know this is

> > > > a lot of

> > > > > > data to

> > > > > > > > take in but any help would be

> > greatly

> > > > appeciated.

> > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > experiencing ED, very low

> > libido, night

> > > > time

> > > > > > sweats, poor

> > > > > > > > sleep patterns, my remaining

> > nut is

> > > > about 1/2 the

> > > > > > size it

> > > > > > > > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with

> > weights

> > > > but have not

> > > > > > been able

> > > > > > > > to put on any muscle,

> > actually losing

> > > > it as well

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > strength. I have been

> > experiencing what

> > > > i think

> > > > > > arte panic

> > > > > > > > attacks in the last few

> > months.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Thanks to all

> > > > that post

> > > > > > on this

> > > > > > > > forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

November 17, 2009

How could the thyroid and the adrenals get wacked out this fast. My adrenals

were questionable, but the thyroid looked ok the last time it was tested. In the

last few days I feel like I actually worse. I feel hot a lot as well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > got the

> > > > > lab

> > > > > > > results. i'm 49

> > > > > > > > > & a testicular cancer

> > > survivor. i'm

> > > > > not going

> > > > > > > to list

> > > > > > > > > all of them because there's a

> > > lot of

> > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > testosterone

> > > > > serum

> > > > > > > (total)

> > > > > > > > > 378 range 350-1030

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > bioavailable

> > > > > > > > > T 154 ng/dl range

> > > 95-350

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > LH 7.0

> > > > > > > > > mIU/mL range 1.5- 9.3

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > FSH 15.4

> > > > > > > > > mIU/dl range 1.4- 18.1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Estradiol,

> > > > > > > > > sensitive 14pg/ml

> > > range 3-70

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > T4 8.8ug/dl

> > > > > > > > > range 4.5-12.0

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > T3

> > > uptake

> > > > > 35%

> > > > > > > range

> > > > > > > > > 24-39

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > progesterone

> > > > > > > > > 0.8ng/ml range 0.3-1.2

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > prealbumin

> > > > > > > > > 34mg/dl range 20-40

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > prolactin

> > > > > 4.4

> > > > > > > > > ng/ml range 2.1-17.7

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > copper serum

> > > > > > > > > 22.0mg/dl range 70-155

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > thyroxine

> > > > > binding

> > > > > > > globulin

> > > > > > > > > 15ug/ml range 13-39

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > aldosterone

> > > > > > > 14.5ng/dl

> > > > > > > > > range 1.0-16.0

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > Norepinephine,P1

> > > > > > > > > 427pg/ml range

> > > > > > > > > 0-399 HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Insulin like

> > > > > growth

> > > > > > > factor

> > > > > > > > > 106ng/ml range 94-252

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Lp-PLA2

> > > > > > > > > 60ng/ml range

> > > > > > > > >

> > > 131-199 LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Vitamin D

> > > > > 24.6ng/ml

> > > > > > > > > range 32.0-100

> > > > > LOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24hr

> > > salivary

> > > > > > > cortisoland DHEA

> > > > > > > > > (Genova Diagnostics)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > early AM

> > > > > > > > > 0.96 range 0.27-1.18

> > > NORMAL

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > noon

> > > > > > > > > 0.08 range

> > > 0.10-0.41 LOW

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > early PM

> > > > > > > > > 0.06 range 0.05-0.27

> > > MARGINAL

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > late PM

> > > > > > > > > <0.03 range

> > > > > > > > > 0.03-0.14 LOW

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > know this is

> > > > > a lot of

> > > > > > > data to

> > > > > > > > > take in but any help would be

> > > greatly

> > > > > appeciated.

> > > > > > > I am

> > > > > > > > > experiencing ED, very low

> > > libido, night

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > sweats, poor

> > > > > > > > > sleep patterns, my remaining

> > > nut is

> > > > > about 1/2 the

> > > > > > > size it

> > > > > > > > > was 2 yrs. ago. I train with

> > > weights

> > > > > but have not

> > > > > > > been able

> > > > > > > > > to put on any muscle,

> > > actually losing

> > > > > it as well

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > strength. I have been

> > > experiencing what

> > > > > i think

> > > > > > > arte panic

> > > > > > > > > attacks in the last few

> > > months.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Thanks to all

> > > > > that post

> > > > > > > on this

> > > > > > > > > forum.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

November 17, 2009

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:50:06 -0000, you wrote:

>After 2 wks on 5% I went from 388 to 544 T. Now I am on 10% but have not been

tested yet. I feel no different in any ways. I don't have any problems with my

nipples. My E2 was at 15 after the wk. blood test. ED and lack of libido are

still with my big time.

That's a fairly low E2. Low enough to kill libido.

November 17, 2009

yes, but will it come up with the increase to 10% T? If so, how long?

>

> >After 2 wks on 5% I went from 388 to 544 T. Now I am on 10% but have not been

tested yet. I feel no different in any ways. I don't have any problems with my

nipples. My E2 was at 15 after the wk. blood test. ED and lack of libido are

still with my big time.

>

> That's a fairly low E2. Low enough to kill libido.

>

November 17, 2009

It will come up how fast depends on what kind if shape your in if your not fat

and have good muscles this can be slow. Also age older you are the faster it

comes up. When it dose come up you should get some good night time and morning

wood keep track of this this is you lose it again your going up to high.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: need help with the labs

>

> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 1:26 PM

> yes, but will it come up with the

> increase to 10% T? If so, how long?

>

> >

> > >After 2 wks on 5% I went from 388 to 544 T. Now I

> am on 10% but have not been tested yet. I feel no different

> in any ways. I don't have any problems with my nipples. My

> E2 was at 15 after the wk. blood test. ED and lack of libido

> are still with my big time.

> >

> > That's a fairly low E2. Low enough to kill libido.

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

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