Colloidal Silver

[Guest guest]

Excellent points, Caer!

> I agree with you that some people on here actually have illnesses,

but a

> huge amount of people don't and think that HIV is something they

need to

> fight with any ridiculous snake oil that they can get their hands

on, even

> if they're perfectly healthy. And fear is a disease that needs to

be

> fought.

>

> I came here because I was brand new, mainstream, but decided that

taking the

> drugs seemed like the stupidest thing one could possibly do.

That's just

> from on perusal of the side effects. It was obviously poison, even

to me

> when I barely knew about how it worked and have literally been

headfucked

> all my life to believe that HIV kills and that only the drugs can

prolong

> your life. So I wanted an alternative approach. Fortunately, it's

this list

> that made me go out and research what HIV actually means... or

rather, what

> it doesn't mean.

>

> I don't want people falling for that BS. I also don't want them

searching

> for miracle cures for nothing. You think your blood seroconverted,

but are

> you sick? Probably not. You might have been sick when you tested

positive,

> but if you got better, than what's the damn point of fighting

something that

> isn't real? You have antibodies... whatever you had, pink bunnies

or

> otherwise, your body already dealt with it. It's good to be

healthy, but we

> don't need to be Don Quixote fighting the imaginary windmills.

>

> Yeah, your blood seems to have some antibodies to something, but it

> certainly doesn't mean you have 'pink bunnies' that will kill you.

It may

> simply mean that you got tested at the wrong time.

>

> The people who are here, should be asking about taking care of

their real

> illnesses. Example: I have oral thrush and am looking for a

holistic way

> of curing it. In that regard, this list is super. I certainly

will use it

> for that kind of thing if I ever have a real problem.

>

> However, it's very important to question things and not just

believe every

> person who comes along and says " Hey, I stuck an eight pound

flounder up my

> ass and it cured my flu. " If it worked for them, it's good to

know, but did

> it really and is there research to back it up?

>

> Actually, to be fair, I've done my share of questioning some things

in a

> joking way... IE rebounding and drinking Urine. However, these

things had

> actual studies behind them of more than just some anecdotal

stories. We

> have to remember the placebo effect. Maybe Hulda's zapper works...

or maybe

> it's just that some people are influenced enough that their belief

cures

> them. But is it really safe to zap yourself with electricity like

that?

> Especially when there's nothing wrong with you. Is it safe to take

that

> much colloidal silver? Natural or no, you're still putting

chemicals in

> your body that may be unnecessary. Why tax your liver just because

you're

> scared?

>

> All I can say is that I'm grateful that people like Ed got me on

the right

> track and gave me the dissident information. Otherwise, who knows

where I

> would be?

>

> Half of the battle we're fighting is doubt and fear... not a friggin

> disease.

>

> Caer

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

if collodial silver can give cure of it why is not

been addressed to every postive people, why is not

brought to the firm stand where every body knows about

it.

now that cs has that powers why is it now not

explored cs and ozone therapy will as well eradicate

the whole of virus in the body if any body gives a

try.

well iam on zapper and now iam going for cs

pls i need your help as per to get the right way of

getting a good cs genrator and how to use it

i will be thankful to you.

raby

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dilip pawar wrote:

>if collodial silver can give cure of it why is not

>been addressed to every postive people, why is not

>brought to the firm stand where every body knows about

>it.

> now that cs has that powers why is it now not

>explored cs and ozone therapy will as well eradicate

>the whole of virus in the body if any body gives a

>try.

>well iam on zapper and now iam going for cs

>pls i need your help as per to get the right way of

>getting a good cs genrator and how to use it

>

>i will be thankful to you.

>

>

>raby

>

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[Guest guest]

I would warn that Russ Newman does a pretty good job of puffing up his

method and trashing the home-made and competition.

http://colloidalsilversolutions.com/notallcsisthesame.html

But in fact the two dollar method works as well as the ten dollar one. In

Roman times the soldiers used to swallow a silver coin to fight

dysentery. The coins and the silver spoons and the utensils mentioned on

Russ' site produce silver ions, exactly what the above website says do

not work.

In addition, ionic silver is absorbed through the intestine wall into the

blood. This has been verified in lab work. Depending on particle size,

the larger particles of course is not.

Most of the world makes their own using a variation of the DC method and

uses mainly ionic silver; it works just as well as or better than

particles. They are making it with a cheap and effective unit, but you

can indeed spend top dollar and make it as expensive as you wish for the

same effect.

Bear in mind the well-known and widely followed Beck protocol uses the DC

method too.

The silver community discussion group is at:

http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html

Duncan Crow

>

> I received a link from a fibro loop that I belong to regarding

> colloidal silver. The web site itself is not very glamorous, but the

> information seems pretty straight forward and I learned a thing or two

> about how it works for lots of things like candida.

>

> Here's the link for anyone interested:

>

> http://colloidalsilversolutions.com/notallcsisthesame.html

>

> Have a good day!

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

Please explain any connection between colloidal silver and argyria.

Thanks,

> I would warn that Russ Newman does a pretty good job of puffing up

his

> method and trashing the home-made and competition.

> http://colloidalsilversolutions.com/notallcsisthesame.html

>

> But in fact the two dollar method works as well as the ten dollar

one. In

> Roman times the soldiers used to swallow a silver coin to fight

> dysentery. The coins and the silver spoons and the utensils

mentioned on

> Russ' site produce silver ions, exactly what the above website says

do

> not work.

>

> In addition, ionic silver is absorbed through the intestine wall

into the

> blood. This has been verified in lab work. Depending on particle

size,

> the larger particles of course is not.

>

> Most of the world makes their own using a variation of the DC

method and

> uses mainly ionic silver; it works just as well as or better than

> particles. They are making it with a cheap and effective unit, but

you

> can indeed spend top dollar and make it as expensive as you wish

for the

> same effect.

>

> Bear in mind the well-known and widely followed Beck protocol uses

the DC

> method too.

>

> The silver community discussion group is at:

> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html

>

> Duncan Crow

>

>

> >

> > I received a link from a fibro loop that I belong to regarding

> > colloidal silver. The web site itself is not very glamorous, but

the

> > information seems pretty straight forward and I learned a thing

or two

> > about how it works for lots of things like candida.

> >

> > Here's the link for anyone interested:

> >

> > http://colloidalsilversolutions.com/notallcsisthesame.html

> >

> > Have a good day!

[Guest guest]

Argyria, non-toxic silver deposits under the skin, occurrs not in people

who use colloidal or ionic silver, but in people who used FDA-approved

drugs - mild silver proteins and compounds such as silver nitrate. These

are known to cause the problem.

The silver required to create this discoloration is very high; five or

six grams of silver must be accumulated. This is attainable using drug

compounds that weigh in at 1300 to 3500 parts per million.

On the other hand, colloidal and ionic silver is comparatively very weak

about 12-15 parts per million. Argyria does not occur because the

concentration just isn't there. In addition, the silver in it is

excreted rather quickly, something like 90% is gone in 30 hours, so a

person would have to drink about 270 gallons a day to concentrate enough

silver in several weeks and produce argyria. And in fact we haven't seen

people get argyria with properly made colloidal silver although the FDA

website does not distinguish between their mistakes and an unrelated

silver product.

A couple of people, notably the blue Senator, managed to do it though.

The senator was cooking up back batches using tap water rather than

distilled or reverse osmosis. This is an uncontrolled experiment that

creates unknown silver compounds. He was drinking lots of his brew over a

period of several years. Black batches are thousands of times too potent

anyway, best for external uses like cleaning floors or keeping stink off

the dog.

Duncan Crow

>

> Duncan,

>

> Please explain any connection between colloidal silver and argyria.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know anything about it Tam , but here's a web site

http://monatomic.earth.com/

Be Well

Hoot

[ ] colloidal silver

Has anyone had experience with colloidal silver,either with conventional treatment or as an alternative to it? TAM

[Guest guest]

> Since you mentioned it.. I have been using colloidal silver for

several

> years to rid my family's bodies of illness and it seems to be VERY

> effective. Anyone else ever use this or know anything about it?

>

> Peace everyone and happy holidays!

>

> Sunny Imhof

I am usually a lurker (for lack of a better word), but when I read

this post I feel I should reply. Several years ago someone at work

was discussing using this kind of water to heal everything under the

sun. I was curious about it since EVERYTHING is such a dramatic

statement so I started my own investigation. It may work for some

people, I'm not saying it won't but here is a site to read about the

dangers of it.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/bluecandidate_021003.html

Christi

[Guest guest]

>Can you find another negative example? Or is this woman the only negative

>word on silver? (This is the second time you have posted this....!!

I guess you never heard of senator Tom Hyde who also is now sporting a blue

birthday suit thanks to colloidal silver. How many adverse events would

you like to see? Is there no concern over the development of bacterial

resistance from indiscriminate use of colloidal silver? How about the fact

that the use of colloidial silver was discontinued over 70 years ago due to

its lack of efficacy!

regards,

BobK

ps:Keep an open mind but not so open your brains fall out!!

[Guest guest]

>Can you find another negative example? Or is this woman the only negative

>word on silver? (This is the second time you have posted this....!!

I guess you never heard of senator Tom Hyde who also is now sporting a blue

birthday suit thanks to colloidal silver. How many adverse events would

you like to see? Is there no concern over the development of bacterial

resistance from indiscriminate use of colloidal silver? How about the fact

that the use of colloidial silver was discontinued over 70 years ago due to

its lack of efficacy!

regards,

BobK

ps:Keep an open mind but not so open your brains fall out!!

[Guest guest]

My dad just rushed over here with a bottle of colloidal silver 20ppm.

Fortunately my daughter is asleep so I didn't give her any. What is it? Would

you recommend this product for a fever? Amy

[Guest guest]

Look on the bottle to see if it can be taken orally.

The bottle should say what to use it for.

I use it for colds/flu....and ear infections(drops in ear)

Kimberley

> My dad just rushed over here with a bottle of colloidal silver 20ppm.

Fortunately my daughter is asleep so I didn't give her any. What is it?

Would you recommend this product for a fever? Amy

[Guest guest]

At 03:40 PM 12/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>My dad just rushed over here with a bottle of colloidal silver 20ppm.

Fortunately my daughter is asleep so I didn't give her any. What is it?

Would you recommend this product for a fever? Amy

>

No, she does not need it and I don't recommend it for anyone

Homeopaths have seen silver toxicity

Your child sounds like she is doing well

Next time, I guess you'll keep it to yourself ;-)

Sheri

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We had to cancel lunch with him, so I had to give him a reason. Next time I

will lie! LOL

I am going to read as much of the Vit c info as I can while she is napping.

People keep saying to either cover her to keep her warm or uncover to cool her

off. What would be your take on the cover situation?

Amy Re: Re: Colloidal Silver

At 03:40 PM 12/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>My dad just rushed over here with a bottle of colloidal silver 20ppm.

Fortunately my daughter is asleep so I didn't give her any. What is it?

Would you recommend this product for a fever? Amy

>

No, she does not need it and I don't recommend it for anyone

Homeopaths have seen silver toxicity

Your child sounds like she is doing well

Next time, I guess you'll keep it to yourself ;-)

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

At 09:55 PM 12/19/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>Hi Sheri,

>

>I have heard the opposite about silver, do you have any information

>where silver can be toxic?

The marketing will tell you wonderful things but I know homeopaths who have

told me of toxicity - grey skin, other things, can't remember.

I would not take it

And especially this baby doesn't need anything at the moment

I don't agree with taking anything to kill anything - anything that is

anti-anything is allopathic including CS

Sheri

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

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and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheri,

I have heard the opposite about silver, do you have any information

where silver can be toxic?

Sheri Nakken wrote:

>

>

> No, she does not need it and I don't recommend it for anyone

> Homeopaths have seen silver toxicity

> Your child sounds like she is doing well

>

[Guest guest]

At 04:10 PM 12/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>We had to cancel lunch with him, so I had to give him a reason. Next time

I will lie! LOL

>

>I am going to read as much of the Vit c info as I can while she is

napping. People keep saying to either cover her to keep her warm or

uncover to cool her off. What would be your take on the cover situation?

I haven't seen anything that you've written that indicates that she is very

sick.

If her temp is high you don't want to cover her all up snuggly

Otherwise cover her as normal

Sheri

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Of course it depends on how much you take, your age, weight, and your

particular sensitivity and probably not a problem for most

But any of these things are the same old allopathic mentality - gotta do

something to fight something - the war mentality.

I encourage you all to look at this different. Support the body and the

symptoms that are produced by the body/vital force in its wisdom. Don't

fight them. Don't think you have to fight germs, bacteria & viruses.

Enchance the health of the person..........

Homeopathy works with the symptoms, supporting them, not stopping them -

that is why it makes so much more sense to me. It is not about something

attacking you from without. It is about the state of the within

Sheri

http://www.clspress.com/tox.html

The best known consequence of over consumption of silver is argyria.

Most authorities state that argyria is disfiguring because of the

discoloration of the skin but has no other harmful consequences. With

argyria, silver is taken internally in excess and the excess is deposited

in the skin, organs and other tissues. This causes the skin to turn a gray

or bluish gray color. Upon exposure to strong sunlight, skin of the

affected individuals can turn a dark brown or black color. This coloration

is permanent. In addition to argyria, the intake of very large doses (far

in excess of the amount that causes discoloration of the skin) of silver

can cause neurological damage, organ damage and arteriosclerosis.

We know that argyria has been produced in adults who were given 900 mg

of silver orally over a period of one year (1). There are also cases in the

literature where 6.0 grams of silver nitrate administered orally and 6.3

grams of silver arsphenamine administered intramuscularly were known to

produce argyria. (1) Another study estimated the minimal oral dose for

producing argyria to be 25 to 50 grams taken over a 6 month period. (62) A

single fatal dose is estimated to be 10 grams, although recovery from

larger doses has been reported. (Note: this 10 gram figure is for silver

nitrate which is many times more toxic than colloidal silver) (56).

Here are some internet links which provide additional information on

argyria. Note that the Rosemary s case is assumed to involve a

different form of silver and much higher dosages than the electrocolloidal

silver that is in common use today. Still, it is important to be aware that

argyria is a risk if the wrong types of silver are used in excessive

quantities.

http://www.dermis.net/bilddb/diagnose/englisch/i985800.htm - Dermatology

Internet Service - Argyria

http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan - Rosemary s Argyria Page

Using the most conservative figure, 900 milligrams of silver

corresponds to the silver content in 90 liters of 10 PPM colloidal silver,

45 liters of 20 PPM colloidal silver or 30 liters of 30 PPM colloidal

silver. Small children and sensitive individuals could presumably be harmed

by less. These doses are very large compared to the doses usually consumed

by individuals using over the counter health food store colloidal silver

products. Even with these quantities, risk of toxicity may be reduced by

spreading the intake out over a period of time to allow the excretion

mechanisms to keep up with intake.

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the information.

Sheri Nakken wrote:

> Of course it depends on how much you take, your age, weight, and your

> particular sensitivity and probably not a problem for most

>

> But any of these things are the same old allopathic mentality - gotta do

> something to fight something - the war mentality.

>

> I encourage you all to look at this different. Support the body and the

> symptoms that are produced by the body/vital force in its wisdom. Don't

> fight them. Don't think you have to fight germs, bacteria & viruses.

> Enchance the health of the person..........

>

> Homeopathy works with the symptoms, supporting them, not stopping them -

> that is why it makes so much more sense to me. It is not about something

> attacking you from without. It is about the state of the within

> Sheri

>

> http://www.clspress.com/tox.html

>

>

>

> The best known consequence of over consumption of silver is argyria.

> Most authorities state that argyria is disfiguring because of the

> discoloration of the skin but has no other harmful consequences. With

> argyria, silver is taken internally in excess and the excess is deposited

> in the skin, organs and other tissues. This causes the skin to turn a gray

> or bluish gray color. Upon exposure to strong sunlight, skin of the

> affected individuals can turn a dark brown or black color. This coloration

> is permanent. In addition to argyria, the intake of very large doses (far

> in excess of the amount that causes discoloration of the skin) of silver

> can cause neurological damage, organ damage and arteriosclerosis.

>

> We know that argyria has been produced in adults who were given 900 mg

> of silver orally over a period of one year (1). There are also cases

> in the

> literature where 6.0 grams of silver nitrate administered orally and 6.3

> grams of silver arsphenamine administered intramuscularly were known to

> produce argyria. (1) Another study estimated the minimal oral dose for

> producing argyria to be 25 to 50 grams taken over a 6 month period. (62) A

> single fatal dose is estimated to be 10 grams, although recovery from

> larger doses has been reported. (Note: this 10 gram figure is for silver

> nitrate which is many times more toxic than colloidal silver) (56).

>

> Here are some internet links which provide additional information on

> argyria. Note that the Rosemary s case is assumed to involve a

> different form of silver and much higher dosages than the electrocolloidal

> silver that is in common use today. Still, it is important to be aware

> that

> argyria is a risk if the wrong types of silver are used in excessive

> quantities.

>

> http://www.dermis.net/bilddb/diagnose/englisch/i985800.htm - Dermatology

> Internet Service - Argyria

> http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan

> <http://homepages.together.net/%7Erjstan> - Rosemary s Argyria Page

> Using the most conservative figure, 900 milligrams of silver

> corresponds to the silver content in 90 liters of 10 PPM colloidal silver,

> 45 liters of 20 PPM colloidal silver or 30 liters of 30 PPM colloidal

> silver. Small children and sensitive individuals could presumably be

> harmed

> by less. These doses are very large compared to the doses usually consumed

> by individuals using over the counter health food store colloidal silver

> products. Even with these quantities, risk of toxicity may be reduced by

> spreading the intake out over a period of time to allow the excretion

> mechanisms to keep up with intake.

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

> OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

> DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

>

> ******

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> Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

> knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy

> information

> and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

>

> *

[Guest guest]

Does that come in a lighter

shade of blue? I knew I was going to

take it on the chin for that post. But I wanted to run it by the

group because there are people out there who swear it works.

I'm not the only person out there who is investigating both

traditional and alternative methods to deal with Hep C. I just

found

out that I have it a little over a year ago, so I've still much to

learn. If Colloidal Silver seems to be a risky venture with little

chance of success, one could argue that interferon treatments aren't

much better.

Well I would disagree with your logic but with the emphasis that you are

free to believe anything you want too! With current treatments for

HCV there is a 63% overall success rate. Broken down you see

greater than 80% for 2 and 3's using only 24 weeks of therapy. With

genotype 1's you see about 43% success rate. Collodial silver has a

0.0% success rate. So on one hand we have a therapy that cures 63%

overall compared to a therapy that doesn't cure anyone. If I were

considering which one to use I think that would be a no brainer...but you

are free to believe whatever you want. The risk from turning blue

from colloidal silver is small but there is no benefit in using it or

evidence of any efficacy outside of topical applications for bacterial

infections or prevention.

Personally, I think it's bullshit that

there is nothing better for victims of this disease. I recently read

that these drugs bring in about 10 billion annually for the pharms.

Why do you think there should be an easy solution to this health

problem? There is little to be done with viral infections.

There is prevention through vaccination programs but outside of that

there is nothing to kill a virus...period!! You can either accept

the fact that viral processes and biochemistry are very complex or you

can believe in some elaborate conspiracy theory...there is abundant

evidence for one and none for the other! Think of the

prestige and $$ that finding a cure would bring to a company or

individual....you would be able to write your own ticket anywhere!

Why shouldn't the phramas make money off of their product? Every

other business does why shouldn't they be allowed to reap the fruit of

their investment? I do have a big problem with the price of drugs

in the US but the basic bitch seems to be that the companies are making a

buck off of supplying a product...which in this case is a drug....do you

think they should do this for free?? How about all the deadends

they run into while researching drugs...how do you suggest they cover

that cost??

At 20K per treatment, where's the incentive to develop a vaccine or a

cure? Like you said in an earlier post Bob, regarding clinical

trials for alternatives " if there's no money in it, they won't do

the research... " I'm paraphrasing here, but you made your point

quite

well.

Believe me there are plenty of diseases out there that HCV researchers

could switch too if someone came up with a vaccine. To me it is

ridiculous to think that a cure is being suppressed...if that is the case

why develop the protease inhibitors or any of the other drugs in the

pipeline. One only needs to go to a liver conference or peruse the

abstracts from previous conferences to see the amount of research that is

going into this disease.....not that I wouldn't like to see more studies

but then comes the question of who pays and for what.

I would say that you made a very poor paraphrase on my stance on clinical

trials and alternatives. My stance is that it does not take a lot

of money to conduct a trial and that companies that want to provide this

stuff with claims should conduct these trials. As far as

so-called-alternatives (sCAM) if you think the pharmaceutical companies

have not screened these products for potential drug candidates you are

naive. These companies have excellent analytical capabilities and

are not afraid to use them!! There isn't anything attractive to

them in these products...period. While the herb itself cannot be

patented the extraction purification and chemical synthesis of active

components can and is done so on a regular basis. The argument just

doesn't hold water. There is also the case of the pharmas getting

into the supplement market...and if you think they haven't you are making

a mistake. These are companies used to spending millions of $$ and

years of intensive research and scrutiny to bring a product to

market...the supplement industry is a godsend to them. No trials or

evidence needed and they already have the equipment to manufacture,

package, and distibute the stuff.

The odds of interferon treatments curing HCV are poor at best for

most people. Yet the odds of becoming extremely ill as a result of

the treatment are quite good.

For geon 1's you have a 4 out of 10 chance......what are the odds for the

alternatives? In your case you have a 8 out of 10 chance of ridding

yourself of the virus...I wouldn't exactly call that poor odds.

What odds can you cite about people becoming extremely ill from

treatment? I know some that have but I know many more who have no

problems whatsoever as a result of treatment. How do your odds of

becoming extremely ill from treatment compare to the odds of disease

progression? What is the risk/benefit between the two?

Even the CDC has information

discussing warnings and risks of side effects including suicide.

i guess I don;t understand the significance of the CDC

supplying information on treatment sideeffects. Do they do this

with other diseases and treatments or just HCV?

If you are still considering using CS than please contact Rosemary s

via e-mail. She is very prompt with her responses and is very

knowledgeable about CS. Her e-mail address is on her

website.

regards,

BobK

[Guest guest]

Is this the answer to every woman's tanning problems? LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding.......

Upon exposure to strong sunlight, skin of the

> affected individuals can turn a dark brown or black color. This coloration

> is permanent.

[Guest guest]

In einer eMail vom 25.12.03 08:19:51 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt

humec@...:

> Albert:

>

> DMSO is quite a fantastic pain killer. It does many other things as

> well. Get on the phone or Google and find the book, DMSO by Dr. Morton

> . Look through the index for its uses for pain and for people with

> various cancers. Start looking for a good source of Colloidal Silver and

> check Google for Colloidal Gold. Do be in a hurry.

>

>

Hi Alberta, you might want to weigh the risks to be taken.

If colloidal silver is used, it will kill also molds wherever in the body.

Molds bind mercury in their own system.

If there is mercury present in the body and the molds get killed, the mercury

is set free to go wherever into the human system, instead of the mold system.

Mercury will cause socalled wandering pain in the connective tissues. So the

Problem would only be shifted elsewhere. You might want to consider testing

mercury first (not blood test, because mercury is not there, it is in the

connective tissue and nerve tissue, either extracellular or intracellular. Only

the

kinesiological test will yield correct results).

So there is an iron law:

first remove any mercury, and only when done with it, target the molds.

Anything else would be malpractice (Words of a natural practitioner, I spoke to

~

three weeks ago).

Hope this does not complicate the situation, it sounds you have a load to

carry right now. Please, know that you are in my thoughts!

Peace and friendship be with you,

Katharina

[Guest guest]

In einer eMail vom 25.12.03 08:19:51 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt

humec@...:

> Albert:

>

> DMSO is quite a fantastic pain killer. It does many other things as

> well. Get on the phone or Google and find the book, DMSO by Dr. Morton

> . Look through the index for its uses for pain and for people with

> various cancers. Start looking for a good source of Colloidal Silver and

> check Google for Colloidal Gold. Do be in a hurry.

>

>

Hi Alberta, you might want to weigh the risks to be taken.

If colloidal silver is used, it will kill also molds wherever in the body.

Molds bind mercury in their own system.

If there is mercury present in the body and the molds get killed, the mercury

is set free to go wherever into the human system, instead of the mold system.

Mercury will cause socalled wandering pain in the connective tissues. So the

Problem would only be shifted elsewhere. You might want to consider testing

mercury first (not blood test, because mercury is not there, it is in the

connective tissue and nerve tissue, either extracellular or intracellular. Only

the

kinesiological test will yield correct results).

So there is an iron law:

first remove any mercury, and only when done with it, target the molds.

Anything else would be malpractice (Words of a natural practitioner, I spoke to

~

three weeks ago).

Hope this does not complicate the situation, it sounds you have a load to

carry right now. Please, know that you are in my thoughts!

Peace and friendship be with you,

Katharina

[Guest guest]

Can you find another negative example? Or is this woman the only negative word on silver? (This is the second time you have posted this....!!

[ ] Colloidal silver

Here's one woman's experience with colloidal silver that you might want to check out as part of your research. http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/index.html--- In , "hepcpete" <hepcpete@y...> wrote:> Greetings,> > Before shelling out the cash for a generator, I wanted to try a > commercial product to see if I would encounter any problems using > CS. Plus I'm still not comfortable with the idea of brewing my own. > I purchased a 4 oz bottle of CS made by Innovative Natural Products. > The label claims a particle size of .001 microns (doubtful) and 50 > ppm. I noticed a disclaimer that stated;> > "Supplement silver intake with INP's Super Strain > Acidophilus...Excessive amounts of silver taken consistently over > long periods of time may result in argyria." > > While the issue of argyria has been dicussed numerous times here, I > don't recall anyone discussing the destruction of "friendly" > intestinal bacteria as a possible danger. > > Also, many people use a variety of herbs to combat chronic illnesses > such as Hep C. Certain mushrooms (reishi, shitake) are often used as > part of a natural protocal to deal with this chronic viral disease. > Mushrooms are considered a fungus, which raises another concern. > > Will CS kill off this fungi too? Any comments would be welcome. > > Thanks, pete

[Guest guest]

I'm sure Grace posted just for you, as a xmas present as you seem to

relish in negativity. Personally If I were you I would another

disease as you seem to have nothing whatsoever to do with HCV, other

than some BS story about your mother and a drug which was not

available.

So as a xmas present to those of us who actually have had or still

have this disease...please..take a hike dera.

> > Greetings,

> >

> > Before shelling out the cash for a generator, I wanted to try

a

> > commercial product to see if I would encounter any problems

using

> > CS. Plus I'm still not comfortable with the idea of brewing

my

> own.

> > I purchased a 4 oz bottle of CS made by Innovative Natural

> Products.

> > The label claims a particle size of .001 microns (doubtful)

and 50

> > ppm. I noticed a disclaimer that stated;

> >

> > " Supplement silver intake with INP's Super Strain

> > Acidophilus...Excessive amounts of silver taken consistently

over

> > long periods of time may result in argyria. "

> >

> > While the issue of argyria has been dicussed numerous times

here, I

> > don't recall anyone discussing the destruction of " friendly "

> > intestinal bacteria as a possible danger.

> >

> > Also, many people use a variety of herbs to combat chronic

> illnesses

> > such as Hep C. Certain mushrooms (reishi, shitake) are often

used

> as

> > part of a natural protocal to deal with this chronic viral

> disease.

> > Mushrooms are considered a fungus, which raises another

concern.

> >

> > Will CS kill off this fungi too? Any comments would be

welcome.

> >

> > Thanks, pete

>

>

>

>