Juicers

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Hi Barbara:

I would be interested in receiving information on the jurcers you have to

offer. I am looking to purchase one for my 4 year old son who was recently

diagnosed with brain cancer. Please feel free to email me privately.

Thank you.

Connie Fisher

conifisher@...

[Guest guest]

Juicers can be purchased from two websites, both of whom are cancer

survivors. Dr. Day juiced herself back to health.

http://hacres.com/html/halldiet.html

http://www.drday.com/

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 ConiFisher@... wrote:

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>

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> diagnosed with brain cancer. Please feel free to email me privately.

>

> Thank you.

> Connie Fisher

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[Guest guest]

I have heard that the Juiceman and some other products only puree and that the

real benefit of juice is that the nutrients go straight into your bloodstream

without having to go through timeconsuming digestion--which the puree would have

to be digested.

Hallelujah Acres I believe has a discussion on juicers. www.hacres.com

I personally have a Champion and like it but maybe an engineer could design a

better collection method for the juice, it just flows out the bottom of a

rectangular chute and sometimes out around the blade mechanism, making a mess (I

can't find a cup to properly fit under). So other than slight messiness it's

great.

C.-MI

On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:11:23 alley wrote:

>From: " alley " <alley@...>

>

>Hi Earl, I also have some wonderful raw food links with

>

>http://www.rawtimes.com/

>

>http://home.sol.no/~dusan/herbal_news_juice_fasting.html

>I have more links if anyone else is interested.

>

>I am in the market for a juicer http://www.discountjuicers.com/compare.html

>and have been comparing them at the above link. I am seriously considering

>Juiceman II, but am also considering an Omega 1000. Does anyone have any

>information good or bad about either of these juicers.......I would really

>appreciate the information because I want to purchase ASAP. After searching

>the net I found Discount Juicers to be the most reasonable but worry about

>purchasing online.

>

>

>

Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com

[Guest guest]

,

I think this is just hype to sell a particular machine. The only thing that

goes straight into the blood stream after entering the stomach is alcohol.

Food is absorbed in the intestinal tract whether it is liquid or puree.

Re: juicers

>From: " M C Cracraft " <mensa@...>

>

>I have heard that the Juiceman and some other products only puree and that

the real benefit of juice is that the nutrients go straight into your

bloodstream without having to go through timeconsuming digestion--which the

puree would have to be digested.

>

>Hallelujah Acres I believe has a discussion on juicers. www.hacres.com

>

>I personally have a Champion and like it but maybe an engineer could design

a better collection method for the juice, it just flows out the bottom of a

rectangular chute and sometimes out around the blade mechanism, making a

mess (I can't find a cup to properly fit under). So other than slight

messiness it's great.

>

> C.-MI

>

>

>

>On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:11:23 alley wrote:

>>From: " alley " <alley@...>

>>

>>Hi Earl, I also have some wonderful raw food links with

>>

>>http://www.rawtimes.com/

>>

>>http://home.sol.no/~dusan/herbal_news_juice_fasting.html

>>I have more links if anyone else is interested.

>>

>>I am in the market for a juicer

http://www.discountjuicers.com/compare.html

>>and have been comparing them at the above link. I am seriously considering

>>Juiceman II, but am also considering an Omega 1000. Does anyone have any

>>information good or bad about either of these juicers.......I would really

>>appreciate the information because I want to purchase ASAP. After

searching

>>the net I found Discount Juicers to be the most reasonable but worry about

>>purchasing online.

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

This is only what I've heard--I'm not a scientist!

On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:30:02 Daughetee wrote:

>From: " Daughetee " <daughtee@...>

>

>,

>I think this is just hype to sell a particular machine. The only thing that

>goes straight into the blood stream after entering the stomach is alcohol.

>Food is absorbed in the intestinal tract whether it is liquid or puree.

>

> Re: juicers

>

>

>>From: " M C Cracraft " <mensa@...>

>>

>>I have heard that the Juiceman and some other products only puree and that

>the real benefit of juice is that the nutrients go straight into your

>bloodstream without having to go through timeconsuming digestion--which the

>puree would have to be digested.

>>

>>Hallelujah Acres I believe has a discussion on juicers. www.hacres.com

>>

>>I personally have a Champion and like it but maybe an engineer could design

>a better collection method for the juice, it just flows out the bottom of a

>rectangular chute and sometimes out around the blade mechanism, making a

>mess (I can't find a cup to properly fit under). So other than slight

>messiness it's great.

>>

>> C.-MI

>>

>>

>>

>>On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:11:23 alley wrote:

>>>From: " alley " <alley@...>

>>>

>>>Hi Earl, I also have some wonderful raw food links with

>>>

>>>http://www.rawtimes.com/

>>>

>>>http://home.sol.no/~dusan/herbal_news_juice_fasting.html

>>>I have more links if anyone else is interested.

>>>

>>>I am in the market for a juicer

>http://www.discountjuicers.com/compare.html

>>>and have been comparing them at the above link. I am seriously considering

>>>Juiceman II, but am also considering an Omega 1000. Does anyone have any

>>>information good or bad about either of these juicers.......I would really

>>>appreciate the information because I want to purchase ASAP. After

>searching

>>>the net I found Discount Juicers to be the most reasonable but worry about

>>>purchasing online.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/29/2000 6:45:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mensa@... writes:

<< I am in the market for a juicer

http://www.discountjuicers.com/compare.html

>and have been comparing them at the above link. I am seriously considering

>Juiceman II, but am also considering an Omega 1000. Does anyone have any

>information good or bad about either of these juicers.......I would really

>appreciate the information because I want to purchase ASAP. After searching

>the net I found Discount Juicers to be the most reasonable but worry about

>purchasing online.

>

> >>

Hello, ,

Human nature being what it is i.e. old habits are hard to break, and new

habits are hard to stick to, I would suggest the following: People are lazy,

A quality juicer is an expensive purchase, so ease of cleaning it are

important. Many people buy a cheap juicer, and because the cleaning is such

a chore, get lazy, and stop using it. I have an Acme juicerator which I got

at a yard sale for $15.00. It is a wonderful machine. If you can get one

that is of great quality used, you can save a lot of money. Check with

health food stores who have bulletin boards of services and for sale items.

I have spoken to some people who have purchased the juiceman, and they said

for the money, it is a good machine. I usually just juice carrots and celery

with some beets. Sometimes I throw in an apple to give it a bit of a change

of taste.

Hope this helps.

Ira M. Fine

[Guest guest]

I just purchased a Champion and the Welles or People's Press. I get these at cost if anyone is interested.

There is an extensive report on juicers at Hacres.com.

Bernadette

Fw: Part 1 of detox series

Yes, from what I have read, the Champion is good, but it must use a 2 step process, of grinding and pressing, and I don't think it does both. The Norwalk is the best of the best, and "K & K" is another that is touted as being necessary. I've got to do more research on this myself, as I was leaning toward the Green Life or Green Power Juicer.

Patty

SO WHAT JUCIER IS THIS ? IS THE CHAMPION JUICER OK?

These enzymes are so important to the healing system that Max Gerson, a physician famous for his successful cancer therapy, found that patients using centrifugal-type vegetable juicers did not respond to the therapy unlike those who used a grinder and press. There are two factors to bear in mind here: centrifugal juicers tend to kill the enzymes and the juices are generally nutrient-poor, a good proportion being left in the moist pulp. The test of a "live" juice is how long it retains it's colour before it goes "brown". If you are going to seriously juice I would recommend a more expensive juicer that masticates and presses with a slow RPM (keeping enzymes intact and generating no heat) that guarantees to juice the more fibrous green vegetables and grasses. Subscription email: mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

[Guest guest]

At 03:00 AM 11/24/2000 -0500, you wrote:

>I just purchased a Champion and the Welles or People's Press. I get these

>at cost if anyone is interested.

>There is an extensive report on juicers at Hacres.com.

>

>Bernadette

The mechanical action of the Champion makes a great " ice-cream " using

frozen bananas and fruit.

Bob

[Guest guest]

Interesting comments from the Gerson site on juicers:

The juicing is so tedious, with all the grinding and pressing. Isn't there an easier and faster way, or a cheaper juicer that I could use?

Dr. Gerson said in his address to a group assembled in Escondido, California in 1956 (Appendix II, p. 406, A Cancer Therapy): "At first I thought that liquefiers would be the most wonderful thing. All the material was there, nothing was lost. But it didn't work." The rotating blade gives rise to a "dynamo effect", causing electricity to be generated, thus killing enzymes. The same is true of centrifugal juicers. Juices must be made by grinding the vegetables first, mixing them, and then pressing them in a press. We have come across cancer patients who tried to heal themselves on the Gerson Therapy using a centrifugal juicer, but they experienced no improvement. When they tried the Therapy with a Champion juicer, they did well. More seriously ill patients still need the grinding plus pressing type of juicer to properly heal.

In response to a question from a patient about the two step juicing process, Dr. Gerson wrote that "the malic acid (contained in the apples) mixed with the ground carrots helps to release the minerals from the carrots." In other words, it is necessary to first grind the apples and carrots together into a bowl, using a grinder. Norwalk, K & K or Champion juicers can all be used as grinders, but the Champion cannot be used as a press. The ground materials are mixed and then the mixture is placed in a press cloth and put under pressure in the Norwalk or K & K press. This process produces the best extraction, that is richest in minerals, and best in taste. Juice produced by the Champion juicer alone separates into a transparent liquid at the bottom and mush on top after a very short time. This juice is also harder for the patient to drink because of the particles, and is not as rich and homogeneous in nutrients.

More recently the Green Power juicer was introduced. It does a better job of extraction than the Champion when used as a juicer, but it offers no way (as the Champion does) to block the juicing action. It is impossible to use the Green Power juicer solely as a grinder, as it grinds and juices in one operation. While it extracts juice quite efficiently, it does not fulfill Dr. Gerson's requirement of mixing the ground apples and carrots thoroughly before pressing.

[Guest guest]

Bob,

Ice cream made from fresh fruits could make a beginner juice faster a much

happier faster, only good for a short time fast as it would likely stimulate

the appetite. The Champion juicer sounds perfect for the whole foods life

style. Next on my list is a wheat grass juicer and the Bosch Bread machine

with it's powerful blender. I already have a grinder.

Bernadette

[Guest guest]

Patty,

I ordered the juicer's and have not received them in yet. The Champion

should be in on Monday and the Welles Press should be in Wednesday. I

ordered them from a wholesaler, and I am not sure if you can too. I paid

169.99 for the Champion and 289.99 for the Welles Press.

Bernadette

[Guest guest]

Patty,

Thanks for sending this.

Bernadette

Re: Juicers

Interesting comments from the Gerson site on juicers:

The juicing is so tedious, with all the grinding and pressing. Isn't there an easier and faster way, or a cheaper juicer that I could use?

Dr. Gerson said in his address to a group assembled in Escondido, California in 1956 (Appendix II, p. 406, A Cancer Therapy): "At first I thought that liquefiers would be the most wonderful thing. All the material was there, nothing was lost. But it didn't work." The rotating blade gives rise to a "dynamo effect", causing electricity to be generated, thus killing enzymes. The same is true of centrifugal juicers. Juices must be made by grinding the vegetables first, mixing them, and then pressing them in a press. We have come across cancer patients who tried to heal themselves on the Gerson Therapy using a centrifugal juicer, but they experienced no improvement. When they tried the Therapy with a Champion juicer, they did well. More seriously ill patients still need the grinding plus pressing type of juicer to properly heal.

In response to a question from a patient about the two step juicing process, Dr. Gerson wrote that "the malic acid (contained in the apples) mixed with the ground carrots helps to release the minerals from the carrots." In other words, it is necessary to first grind the apples and carrots together into a bowl, using a grinder. Norwalk, K & K or Champion juicers can all be used as grinders, but the Champion cannot be used as a press. The ground materials are mixed and then the mixture is placed in a press cloth and put under pressure in the Norwalk or K & K press. This process produces the best extraction, that is richest in minerals, and best in taste. Juice produced by the Champion juicer alone separates into a transparent liquid at the bottom and mush on top after a very short time. This juice is also harder for the patient to drink because of the particles, and is not as rich and homogeneous in nutrients.

More recently the Green Power juicer was introduced. It does a better job of extraction than the Champion when used as a juicer, but it offers no way (as the Champion does) to block the juicing action. It is impossible to use the Green Power juicer solely as a grinder, as it grinds and juices in one operation. While it extracts juice quite efficiently, it does not fulfill Dr. Gerson's requirement of mixing the ground apples and carrots thoroughly before pressing.Subscription email: mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

[Guest guest]

Moria I used the Juiceman JR. for five years! It is still kicken. I just got

my Champion in yesterday and I find it WAY easier to clean because it has no

little basket, no big bucket, big cover ect... I do agree getting one you

will use with convince initially, is most important.

Bernadette

> For a person who is new to juicing, I don't think

> it is so important to get the " best " juicer. I think

> it is much more important to get one, and get on with

> using it. I picked the Juiceman II as I read that it

> was easy to clean, which was VERY high priority to me.

> (I know from experience that if it is not pretty easy,

> I won't do it! An unused juicer has zero benefits!)

> I bought my Juiceman II from ebay.

> I've had it for about 9 months. It is showing some signs

> of wear at this point.

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I use krups that I got from lechters for about $50 or $60. No wear

and tear and had it for I think over 2 years. Easy enough to clean

sticky

[Guest guest]

I am having no problem with cleaning my Champion. Much easier then my

Juiceman. I am really enjoying getting a better quality juice and much more

juice from my produce. Today I made beets, spinach, lettuce, broccoli, sweet

pepper. I also used my press. It was real good.

Bernadette

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/30/2000 9:51:24 AM Central Standard Time,

faussettdp@... writes:

<< I'm leaning toward the Green Life or Green Power....anyone have any

comments

on this one?

Patty >>

________________

I spoke with a woman that has been in the natural healing area for

many years and sells these but her problem is the infared something

(cannot remember what she told me exactly) does something

to the enzymes so that the juice keeps longer than other juicers.

Sorta like irradation to veggies in the market. So.....I didn't but one.

Edith

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/30/2000 1:56:52 PM Central Standard Time,

ejohns9525@... writes:

<< So.....I didn't but one.

Edith >>

_____________

excuse me....buy one.

Edith

[Guest guest]

I am new to the list and been reading the digests only for about two days.

> I have had many juicers! LOL. The first one I bought at a health food

store about 4 years ago, a Champion. It is a

> heavy duty machine and does a good job of juicing, what I don't like about

it is that it tends to warm the juice a bit

> and you still get a bit of the pulp a tiny bit -- the juice is " cloudy " .

I used it for about 3 yrs and then decided to

> try to find another machine because I also thought that the Champion was a

bit of a pain to use and clean.

************

Thanks for your comments about the juicers. I have often wondered about

this problem with the Champion getting too hot in the juicing process--there

have been some comments made about it heating the juice and causing it to

lose enzymes in the process, and your post just confirmed it for me again.

I have seen the Acme juicer in action, and the thing that I hated about it

was always having to stop and clean out the spinning basket--it just didn't

juice the quantity that I was used to juicing without the hassle. For me,

the Acme was not the way to go. Being centrifugal in action is also a

drawback.

I'm leaning toward the Green Life or Green Power....anyone have any comments

on this one?

Patty

[Guest guest]

I always read that the Greenpower was the best until recent studies that the

URL has been posted here. The Champion along with a press is suppose to be

far better because of the slower Rpm's.

Look at Hacres.com for an in-depth study. The two are very close, yet

juicing combined with pressing is suppose to be the very best. Much like the

2500.00 Norwalk.

Bernadette

[Guest guest]

> > The recommended juicer is a slow speed macerating

> > juicer,

> Is there a recommended kind?

From what I have read, the Norwalk (grinder-press-type) (about

$2000), K & K (grinder-press-type), and Green Power (about $500) are

best; I think Green Power is easier to use. Champion (about $170) is probably

next best. Angel-Life and Royal are probably 3rd best. Masticating juicers

(see

above) are profoundly better than centrifugal juicers (e.g., Ruby,

Santos Miracle Growth), which are definitely INadequate. Vita-Mix

and other liquefiers [blenders] are totally inadequate. For more

info, see

www.hacres.com/html/juicerstudy.html

www.gerson.org/questions/answer/particularjuicer.htm

www.gerson.org/questions/answer/okjuicerforpatient.htm

www.gerson.org/questions/answer/easierway.htm (or

www.gerson.org/healing/articles/nl_cnb104.html

> What about VitaMix?

No it's not really a juicer but rather a liquifier (blender).

Leonard

[Guest guest]

We have a juiceman juicer and have had real good luck with it. we got it

over the internet for 59.00 and shipping(6.00?) It juices well and is not

too hard to clean up(that's still the hard part) We try to run the

dishwasher right away with the parts so we don't have to hand wash the parts

except for the cutting blade. When it gets dull or can't be cleaned we will

just pitch it and replace it. The pulp appears pretty dry so juice must be

getting out. Soft fruits or vegetables are a problem but we usually wash

them and put them in distilled water to firm them up(ie beets, carrots ,

beans, celery) If they get too limp or rubbery, the cutter has a hard time

and the machine gets gummed up. I wonder if anyone has a Champion and what

they think of that, although I think they run over $300, six times the cost

of this juiceman. Ed

[Guest guest]

I have a Champion juicer. I'm not really an expert on juicers since I've never used anything else, but it seems to do the job. It's a bit of a hassle to set it up as you have to use something to catch the juice and something to catch the pulp, which can sort of spurt out if you're not careful. It's not crazy about anything too fibrous, like celery. The strings get wrapped around the cutter. Then it's best to take the cutter out and clean it before continuing, cause it just won't work right when it's clogged. But it's fine for carrots, beets, apples, greens, etc. And it's fine for celery, too, as long as you watch what you're doing and don't try to feed it too much. I've had it for 10 years or more. There are probably better things out there, for more money. I don't know how it compares to juicers in the same price range, though.

Peggy

Re: juicers

We have a juiceman juicer and have had real good luck with it. we got itover the internet for 59.00 and shipping(6.00?) It juices well and is nottoo hard to clean up(that's still the hard part) We try to run thedishwasher right away with the parts so we don't have to hand wash the partsexcept for the cutting blade. When it gets dull or can't be cleaned we willjust pitch it and replace it. The pulp appears pretty dry so juice must begetting out. Soft fruits or vegetables are a problem but we usually washthem and put them in distilled water to firm them up(ie beets, carrots ,beans, celery) If they get too limp or rubbery, the cutter has a hard timeand the machine gets gummed up. I wonder if anyone has a Champion and whatthey think of that, although I think they run over $300, six times the costof this juiceman. EdSubscription email: mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribe

[Guest guest]

I have a Champion juicer. These things are built to last, for sure!!

I got mine in the 80's when they were just a tad over $200.00. I have

never used it consistently, but I have no doubts that it will outlive

me, even it I used it daily. My grandpa had one in the 60's that

outlived him! Although expensive, they are exceptionally well-made,

very powerful, and you never " bog " down the motor, no matter what you

run through it! The juice is very high quality, although quite

" foamy " as it comes out of the machine. I strain the foam out of the

juice before drinking. It does not juice by centrifugal force, but by

pressure, so the pulp is very dry when it is expelled (more juice per

pound of fruit or veg). The juice comes out the bottom spout into a

bowl. It does not drain into a glass like other juicers I have seen.

The pulp is expelled out the front of the machine into another bowl.

The machine is very heavy, probably 20 pounds. The attachments are

heavyduty, no fears of them ever breaking. Overall, this machine was

an excellent investment, well worth the money. Now, if I would only

USE the darned thing! LOL

Jewel

> We have a juiceman juicer and have had real good luck with it. we

got it

> over the internet for 59.00 and shipping(6.00?) It juices well and

is not

> too hard to clean up(that's still the hard part) We try to run the

> dishwasher right away with the parts so we don't have to hand wash

the parts

> except for the cutting blade. When it gets dull or can't be cleaned

we will

> just pitch it and replace it. The pulp appears pretty dry so juice

must be

> getting out. Soft fruits or vegetables are a problem but we usually

wash

> them and put them in distilled water to firm them up(ie beets,

carrots ,

> beans, celery) If they get too limp or rubbery, the cutter has a

hard time

> and the machine gets gummed up. I wonder if anyone has a Champion

and what

> they think of that, although I think they run over $300, six times

the cost

> of this juiceman. Ed

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the celery problem. If you remove some of the

strings first, it works fine. However, most of the nutrition is in

the strings!

Jewel

> I have a Champion juicer. I'm not really an expert on juicers since

I've never used anything else, but it seems to do the job. It's a bit

of a hassle to set it up as you have to use something to catch the

juice and something to catch the pulp, which can sort of spurt out if

you're not careful. It's not crazy about anything too fibrous, like

celery. The strings get wrapped around the cutter. Then it's best to

take the cutter out and clean it before continuing, cause it just

won't work right when it's clogged. But it's fine for carrots, beets,

apples, greens, etc. And it's fine for celery, too, as long as you

watch what you're doing and don't try to feed it too much. I've had

it for 10 years or more. There are probably better things out there,

for more money. I don't know how it compares to juicers in the same

price range, though.

>

> Peggy

> Re: juicers

>

>

> We have a juiceman juicer and have had real good luck with it. we

got it

> over the internet for 59.00 and shipping(6.00?) It juices well and

is not

> too hard to clean up(that's still the hard part) We try to run

the

> dishwasher right away with the parts so we don't have to hand wash

the parts

> except for the cutting blade. When it gets dull or can't be

cleaned we will

> just pitch it and replace it. The pulp appears pretty dry so

juice must be

> getting out. Soft fruits or vegetables are a problem but we

usually wash

> them and put them in distilled water to firm them up(ie beets,

carrots ,

> beans, celery) If they get too limp or rubbery, the cutter has a

hard time

> and the machine gets gummed up. I wonder if anyone has a

Champion and what

> they think of that, although I think they run over $300, six times

the cost

> of this juiceman. Ed

>

>

> Subscription email:

> mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribe@y...

>

[Guest guest]

I wish I had saved this site, but I will try and lead you to it, about

juicers. These particular people say even the Champion does something

unhealthy to the juice, having to do with centrifugal method as opposed to

another. It is a group of us " health nuts " - and they are BIG believers in

juicing, but they do not sell any type of juicer, which is why I tend to

regard them with some credibility. If you do a search on " Haleluliah Acres

Diet " you will find info on juicers. . PS the Haleluliah may not be

spelled correctly. sorry. .