Re: Natural Cancer Remedies That Really Work

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>

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> http://www1.youreletters.com/t/410171/2700032/794820/0/

>

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WE WERE SPECIFICALLY TOLD BY THE LIST OWNER TO ADDRESS THE INFORMATION AND

NOT ATTACK THE MESSENGER.

> i think its about time they put you up against a

> > wall and fucking well shot you robert blau

> > for intellectual dishonesty pure and applied.

> >

> > find yourself a nice hobby....like sweeping the

> > public streets or something.

>

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i think its about time they put you up against a wall and fucking well shot you

robert blau

for intellectual dishonesty pure and applied.

find yourself a nice hobby....like sweeping the public streets or something.

these " wonderful " suggestions you post every day to treat cancers should

specifically help

you if you get cancer.....let's hope you do get one and so get to prove your own

wide

brash assertions.

it is very hard to weed out significant information for people seeking

help.....those with

disease & desparate to find some alternative to what seems mainstream medicine's

cruel world - you don't help at all in sifting out what might be a good bet.

you are uninformed when it comes down to who has achieved what result with what

remedy.......just on and on and on with STUFF.

my 2C worth - joe

more people live off cancer than those who live with it.......its a feeding

frenzy out there!

>

> Interesting promo for an inexpensive book:

>

> " What do alternative doctors do

> when their loved ones get cancer?

> We asked them and found out! They use rare and even BANNED cancer

> therapies to save the ones they love.

>

> One doctor's son returned home to die, but his dad found a miracle for

> him instead! Click below to learn more.

>

> JFK's personal doctor cured his own colon cancer with an herbal blend.

>

> A nutritionist sent many of her clients to a German clinic for cancer

> treatment. Then she discovered she had cancer herself and went to the

> same place. She was cured with a treatment that's forbidden in the USA.

>

> Click below to discover these and seven more proven cancer treatments.

>

> http://www1.youreletters.com/t/410171/2700032/794820/0/ "

>

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what is happening to this site? shame on you!

jenny

--- giantenzyme <metameme@...> wrote:

> i think its about time they put you up against a

> wall and fucking well shot you robert blau

> for intellectual dishonesty pure and applied.

>

> find yourself a nice hobby....like sweeping the

> public streets or something.

>

> these " wonderful " suggestions you post every day to

> treat cancers should specifically help

> you if you get cancer.....let's hope you do get one

> and so get to prove your own wide

> brash assertions.

>

> it is very hard to weed out significant information

> for people seeking help.....those with

> disease & desparate to find some alternative to what

> seems mainstream medicine's

> cruel world - you don't help at all in sifting out

> what might be a good bet.

> you are uninformed when it comes down to who has

> achieved what result with what

> remedy.......just on and on and on with STUFF.

>

> my 2C worth - joe

>

> more people live off cancer than those who live with

> it.......its a feeding frenzy out there!

>

> >

> > Interesting promo for an inexpensive book:

> >

> > " What do alternative doctors do

> > when their loved ones get cancer?

> > We asked them and found out! They use rare and

> even BANNED cancer

> > therapies to save the ones they love.

> >

> > One doctor's son returned home to die, but his dad

> found a miracle for

> > him instead! Click below to learn more.

> >

> > JFK's personal doctor cured his own colon cancer

> with an herbal blend.

> >

> > A nutritionist sent many of her clients to a

> German clinic for cancer

> > treatment. Then she discovered she had cancer

> herself and went to the

> > same place. She was cured with a treatment that's

> forbidden in the USA.

> >

> > Click below to discover these and seven more

> proven cancer treatments.

> >

> >

>

http://www1.youreletters.com/t/410171/2700032/794820/0/

> "

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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yes they do, i have helped many of them! high profile

and others!

jenny

--- robert-blau@... wrote:

> Interesting promo for an inexpensive book:

>

> " What do alternative doctors do

> when their loved ones get cancer?

> We asked them and found out! They use rare and even

> BANNED cancer

> therapies to save the ones they love.

>

> One doctor's son returned home to die, but his dad

> found a miracle for

> him instead! Click below to learn more.

>

> JFK's personal doctor cured his own colon cancer

> with an herbal blend.

>

> A nutritionist sent many of her clients to a German

> clinic for cancer

> treatment. Then she discovered she had cancer

> herself and went to the

> same place. She was cured with a treatment that's

> forbidden in the USA.

>

> Click below to discover these and seven more proven

> cancer treatments.

>

>

http://www1.youreletters.com/t/410171/2700032/794820/0/

> "

>

>

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someone because you love them!

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NOT ATTACK THE MESSENGER.

> i think its about time they put you up against a

> > wall and fucking well shot you robert blau

> > for intellectual dishonesty pure and applied.

> >

> > find yourself a nice hobby....like sweeping the

> > public streets or something.

>

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Dear ,

Thank you for your restrain and for being the gentleman you are! Much

appreciated!

In a message dated 9/16/06 9:38:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

robert-blau@... writes:

> I'm sorry if it offends you that I offer up as " food for thought " , items

> which I think may be of interest. It should be clear that I do not

> endorse any particular one (although I'm kind of bullish on IVC). Other

> than that, you really might want to check that negative attitude. Just a

> thought.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've got a shelf full of alternative cancer books and recently found

this one: www.reversingcancer.com. It's an e-book and contains 350

cures. Some are nutrients like foods, mushrooms, herbs, etc along

with other therapies and protocols like Hulda 's and Budwig's

to mention a few you already know. It also came with a few bonus

books which I haven't read yet. One lists 2000 testimonials of

those who have cured their various cancers. The main book is about

450 pages and quite well organized with live links to access further

details. It's a pretty good buy compared to a lot of the other ones

I've bought in the past for more money.

Sharon

>

> Interesting promo for an inexpensive book:

>

> " What do alternative doctors do

> when their loved ones get cancer?

> We asked them and found out! They use rare and even BANNED cancer

> therapies to save the ones they love.

>

> One doctor's son returned home to die, but his dad found a miracle

for

> him instead! Click below to learn more.

>

> JFK's personal doctor cured his own colon cancer with an herbal

blend.

>

> A nutritionist sent many of her clients to a German clinic for

cancer

> treatment. Then she discovered she had cancer herself and went to

the

> same place. She was cured with a treatment that's forbidden in the

USA.

>

> Click below to discover these and seven more proven cancer

treatments.

>

> http://www1.youreletters.com/t/410171/2700032/794820/0/ "

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Interesting promo for an inexpensive book:

>

> " What do alternative doctors do

> when their loved ones get cancer?

> We asked them and found out! They use rare and even BANNED cancer

> therapies to save the ones they love.

>

> One doctor's son returned home to die, but his dad found a miracle

for

> him instead! Click below to learn more.

>

> JFK's personal doctor cured his own colon cancer with an herbal

blend.

>

> A nutritionist sent many of her clients to a German clinic for

cancer

> treatment. Then she discovered she had cancer herself and went to

the

> same place. She was cured with a treatment that's forbidden in the

USA.

>

> Click below to discover these and seven more proven cancer

treatments.

>

> http://www1.youreletters.com/t/410171/2700032/794820/0/ "

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Interesting promo for an inexpensive book:

>

> " What do alternative doctors do

> when their loved ones get cancer?

> We asked them and found out! They use rare and even BANNED cancer

> therapies to save the ones they love.

>

> One doctor's son returned home to die, but his dad found a miracle

for

> him instead! Click below to learn more.

>

> JFK's personal doctor cured his own colon cancer with an herbal

blend.

>

> A nutritionist sent many of her clients to a German clinic for

cancer

> treatment. Then she discovered she had cancer herself and went to

the

> same place. She was cured with a treatment that's forbidden in the

USA.

>

> Click below to discover these and seven more proven cancer

treatments.

>

> http://www1.youreletters.com/t/410171/2700032/794820/0/ "

>

[Guest guest]

My take on alternitive cures.

Every disease is a physilogical interaction. It might be a forign substance

such as a poison or an invader like bacteria or viruses, it might be

genetics such as seen in sickle cell and in some cases such as Scurvey it is

a nutritional imbalence. Some diseases are just the effect of imbalences in

the body such as not enough seritonin.

So far what little we undestand about cancer the body starts growing mutated

cells. Some cancers like Cervical cancer are caused by a virus. Some cancers

are caused by exposure to radiation (such as sunlight's ultraviolet

spectrum) thus causing a disruption in our very DNA. Most cancers are poorly

understood. We know that certain substances will make us more likely to get

cancer. Not all smokers, not even the majority I think die of lung cancer.

Not all exposed to large amounts of asbesteos die or even show signs of

asbesteous or however you spell it.

So cancer has multiple causes. Thus nothing can cure all cancer. Plain

simple. There is no wonder cure that will take on every or probably even

half the cancers out there. You cannot rearrange DNA with vitamens. Cetain

viatimes may help soak up residual radiation if taken imediately after

exposure. Some viatimins may be good at soaking up free radicals. Something

that is suspected as a contributer in many diseases. What they will not do

is kill a virus. You will not get rid of cervical cancer by taking any

amount of B17. You have to kill the virus or remove the infected areas.

Since it's not so much the virus but the machinery left behind apparently

that causes the mutatation killing the virus may not be enough. If massive

doses of B17 killed viruses it would also be the cure for the cold, flu and

AIDS. So I'm very skeptical about B17 curing any kind of virus.

Certain herbs may contain something which inhibits the growth of cancer

cells. Many of our medicines today are based on herbal medicines used by one

culture or another at one time. Studies found they worked, then after a

large amount of research they isolated what worked in the medicine and

synthsized just that. So the odds are good that there are more out there.

Since we do not understand the mechanisms of cancer very well we have

lilttle to predict the effectiveness of a given plant's extracts.

What we can do is dismiss the cure all claims by the simple fact there is no

such thing when it comes to cancer. To claim a blanket cure for cancer is

like claiming that it will also help you with colds, amputated limbs, a

headache and a 100 other totally unrelated things. Cancer isn't one disease.

It is a broad name for multiple diseases. Multiple diseases with multiple

causes. Even specific cancers such as colen cancer may have multiple

causes.

Second, having known a number of doctors. I find it very offensive to see

people claim this or that about doctors. That would be like picking out a

skin color and claiming all people of that skin color are xyz. They are not.

There are good and bad doctors. They are just people. They are also people

screened very rigerously for any behavior which would be deemed as

pyschotic. Especially the Doctors that people normally come in contact with

are people that got into medicine to help people. Orthapods and surgical

pursuits are where you see more of the arrogance and greed. There is even a

world wide organization of doctors called doctors without frontiers who

volenteer time and efforts. Risk thier lives even to provide free medical

care to the underserved. I'm sorry, I see no difference between racism and

the doctor bashing I see going on with this list.

I also feel that is somebody wants to champion a subject they should

research that subject. The cure all claims I'm hearing. Especially the yoga

can only work on most cancers if the cancer is purely a pyschological

manifestation. They obviously have zero medical benifit from a physilogical

standpoint as nothing can cure all cancers. Yet I am hearing all I have to

do is my yoga, eat lots of vegitables and take massive doses of certain

viatimins and I can magically cure all kinds of cancer. It don't work that

way folks. If we were talking about the cold, ok there are only what 100

different strains of the cold and they are all closely related. There are

what 1,000+ types of cancer? There are how many possible causes of cancer?

Anybody ever heard of Oscam's razor?

As for the pharmacutal company conspiracy charges. If it's true then by

presenting reasoned and fact based presentations of a cure that works but is

obstructed by the big drug companies be proof enough for people to make up

thier own minds? Is it really necessary to act like everyone on this list is

3 years old and have to be told what to think? I think most people on this

list are perfectly capable of drawing thier own conclusions based on factual

information and logic. There is no need to go on and on and on in multiple

messages. This is a list group about cancer not a political commercial.

This kind of evangelizing has a discrediting effect on valid charges of

monpolizing and unethical behavior by the pharmacutical companies. Even if

the extent is not exagerted or outright fabricated the lack of logical

presentation makes it look like hysteria. The pulpit style brimstone hell

fire force it down your throat presentation is going to have the opposite

effect among most people. The charge of big drug companies having it out for

the consumer is used in place of any kind of research, as an excuse not to

back up a claim with facts. This tends to discredit the entire content,

which is a diservice to any content that is actually true. Rolling a single

truth in a pack of lies and exagerations makes that truth just as doubted.

So often I hear about this cure all in the same message as

anti-pharmacutical company claims. Obviously the cure all is bogus. Doesn't

that cast doubt on the pharmacutical greed claims? That is a pity because

there is a real reason to investigate the pharmacutical industry. It

unfortunatatly plays right into the hands of big biz who can hold up these

kinds of claims and just say " snake oil " and thus avoid having to be

accountable for thier actions. Who loses? Everybody does thats who.

On 9/16/06, rb2717 <robert-blau@...> wrote:

>

>

> Intravenous Vitamin C. There should be a file on it in the " Files " section

> of the group, with links and other good information. I feel it is something

> worth being aware of.

>

> Best,

> RB

>

> P.S. Thanks to the many for the positive thoughts.

>

>

>

> > I'm sorry if it offends you that I offer up as " food for thought " , items

> > which I think may be of interest. It should be clear that I do not

> > endorse any particular one (although I'm kind of bullish on IVC). Other

> > than that, you really might want to check that negative attitude. Just a

> > thought.

> >

> > Love.

> > B

> >

> > P.S. " Who has achieved what with what " is an ongoing debate -- and one

> > that would seem to be a legitimate purpose of the group.

> >

> > Posted by: " giantenzyme " metameme@... giantenzyme Date: Fri

>

> > Sep 15, 2006 5:28 pm (PDT)

> > i think its about time they put you up against a wall and fucking well

> > shot you robert blau for intellectual dishonesty pure and applied.

> > find yourself a nice hobby....like sweeping the public streets or

> > something.

> > these " wonderful " suggestions you post every day to treat cancers should

> > specifically help you if you get cancer.....let's hope you do get one

> > and so get to prove your own wide brash assertions.

> > it is very hard to weed out significant information for people seeking

> > help.....those with disease & desparate to find some alternative to what

> > seems mainstream medicine's cruel world - you don't help at all in

> > sifting out what might be a good bet. you are uninformed when it comes

> > down to who has achieved what result with what remedy.......just on and

> > on and on with STUFF.

> > my 2C worth - joe

> > more people live off cancer than those who live with it.......its a

> > feeding frenzy out there!

> >

> > Interesting promo for an inexpensive book:

> > " What do alternative doctors do

> > when their loved ones get cancer?

> > We asked them and found out! They use rare and even BANNED cancer

> > therapies to save the ones they love.

> > One doctor's son returned home to die, but his dad found a miracle for

> > him instead! Click below to learn more.

> > JFK's personal doctor cured his own colon cancer with an herbal blend.

> > A nutritionist sent many of her clients to a German clinic for cancer

> > treatment. Then she discovered she had cancer herself and went to the

> > same place. She was cured with a treatment that's forbidden in the USA.

> > Click below to discover these and seven more proven cancer treatments.

> > http://www1.youreletters.com/t/410171/2700032/794820/0/ "

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dan,

You are certainly correct when you say that there are many types of cancer and

there will never be just one pill to cure it.

A vitamin does not kill a virus or reprogram DNA. Chemo, because it is a

poison may kill cancer cells but it poisons and destroys everything else in it's

path at the same time. Chemo does not attack the underlying problem or cause of

cancer.

It is my opinion that cancer is like mushrooms, it grows when the environment

is favorable. When provided with warm, damp, loom (dead or decaying matter)

mushrooms grow. When there is too much sun, not enough moisture or dry sand no

mushrooms grows.

Our bodies are incredible machines that are programed to run and repair itself

as long as the tools and supplies are available in sufficient amounts. Our

bodies need clean air, clean water and nutrient rich food. Unfortunately these

simple things are harder and harder to come by all the time. Are lives are

bombarded by chemicals and toxins at every turn. Are systems are depleted and

therefore when we reproduce the next generation starts at a disadvantage.

Cancer takes advantage of these disadvantages and puts down roots. If our

bodies are not up to the fight, cancer takes over. There are many kinds and

types of cancer what they all have in common are that they are mutant cells that

reproduce mutant cells. If we were giving our bodies and minds what they need to

survive and prosper CANCER could not take root.

All the vitamins, minerals, antioxidants and yoga will help your body fight,

reducing chemicals and stress in your environment will also help your body and

mind be at it's best.

There will never be a vaccine or pill that will end cancer because is the

breaking down of the bodies ability to heal itself. Only by building up your

body's system can any of us hope to beat cancer in the long run. All the

systems are tied together; the immune system fights invasion and free radicals

but the digestive system has to be running right the get the nutrients from our

food to fuel the immune system. the lymph system, circulatory system etc.......

must all work together to keep the machine running.

So the key is get rid of chemicals...........find nutrient rich

food..........reduce stress..... think positive............... do everything

possible to support your system.

Vaccines and prescription drugs work against your system not with it.

Dan <draciron@...> wrote:

My take on alternitive cures.

Every disease is a physilogical interaction. It might be a forign substance

such as a poison or an invader like bacteria or viruses, it might be

genetics such as seen in sickle cell and in some cases such as Scurvey it is

a nutritional imbalence. Some diseases are just the effect of imbalences in

the body such as not enough seritonin.

So far what little we undestand about cancer the body starts growing mutated

cells. Some cancers like Cervical cancer are caused by a virus. Some cancers

are caused by exposure to radiation (such as sunlight's ultraviolet

spectrum) thus causing a disruption in our very DNA. Most cancers are poorly

understood. We know that certain substances will make us more likely to get

cancer. Not all smokers, not even the majority I think die of lung cancer.

Not all exposed to large amounts of asbesteos die or even show signs of

asbesteous or however you spell it.

So cancer has multiple causes. Thus nothing can cure all cancer. Plain

simple. There is no wonder cure that will take on every or probably even

half the cancers out there. You cannot rearrange DNA with vitamens. Cetain

viatimes may help soak up residual radiation if taken imediately after

exposure. Some viatimins may be good at soaking up free radicals. Something

that is suspected as a contributer in many diseases. What they will not do

is kill a virus. You will not get rid of cervical cancer by taking any

amount of B17. You have to kill the virus or remove the infected areas.

Since it's not so much the virus but the machinery left behind apparently

that causes the mutatation killing the virus may not be enough. If massive

doses of B17 killed viruses it would also be the cure for the cold, flu and

AIDS. So I'm very skeptical about B17 curing any kind of virus.

Certain herbs may contain something which inhibits the growth of cancer

cells. Many of our medicines today are based on herbal medicines used by one

culture or another at one time. Studies found they worked, then after a

large amount of research they isolated what worked in the medicine and

synthsized just that. So the odds are good that there are more out there.

Since we do not understand the mechanisms of cancer very well we have

lilttle to predict the effectiveness of a given plant's extracts.

What we can do is dismiss the cure all claims by the simple fact there is no

such thing when it comes to cancer. To claim a blanket cure for cancer is

like claiming that it will also help you with colds, amputated limbs, a

headache and a 100 other totally unrelated things. Cancer isn't one disease.

It is a broad name for multiple diseases. Multiple diseases with multiple

causes. Even specific cancers such as colen cancer may have multiple

causes.

Second, having known a number of doctors. I find it very offensive to see

people claim this or that about doctors. That would be like picking out a

skin color and claiming all people of that skin color are xyz. They are not.

There are good and bad doctors. They are just people. They are also people

screened very rigerously for any behavior which would be deemed as

pyschotic. Especially the Doctors that people normally come in contact with

are people that got into medicine to help people. Orthapods and surgical

pursuits are where you see more of the arrogance and greed. There is even a

world wide organization of doctors called doctors without frontiers who

volenteer time and efforts. Risk thier lives even to provide free medical

care to the underserved. I'm sorry, I see no difference between racism and

the doctor bashing I see going on with this list.

I also feel that is somebody wants to champion a subject they should

research that subject. The cure all claims I'm hearing. Especially the yoga

can only work on most cancers if the cancer is purely a pyschological

manifestation. They obviously have zero medical benifit from a physilogical

standpoint as nothing can cure all cancers. Yet I am hearing all I have to

do is my yoga, eat lots of vegitables and take massive doses of certain

viatimins and I can magically cure all kinds of cancer. It don't work that

way folks. If we were talking about the cold, ok there are only what 100

different strains of the cold and they are all closely related. There are

what 1,000+ types of cancer? There are how many possible causes of cancer?

Anybody ever heard of Oscam's razor?

As for the pharmacutal company conspiracy charges. If it's true then by

presenting reasoned and fact based presentations of a cure that works but is

obstructed by the big drug companies be proof enough for people to make up

thier own minds? Is it really necessary to act like everyone on this list is

3 years old and have to be told what to think? I think most people on this

list are perfectly capable of drawing thier own conclusions based on factual

information and logic. There is no need to go on and on and on in multiple

messages. This is a list group about cancer not a political commercial.

This kind of evangelizing has a discrediting effect on valid charges of

monpolizing and unethical behavior by the pharmacutical companies. Even if

the extent is not exagerted or outright fabricated the lack of logical

presentation makes it look like hysteria. The pulpit style brimstone hell

fire force it down your throat presentation is going to have the opposite

effect among most people. The charge of big drug companies having it out for

the consumer is used in place of any kind of research, as an excuse not to

back up a claim with facts. This tends to discredit the entire content,

which is a diservice to any content that is actually true. Rolling a single

truth in a pack of lies and exagerations makes that truth just as doubted.

So often I hear about this cure all in the same message as

anti-pharmacutical company claims. Obviously the cure all is bogus. Doesn't

that cast doubt on the pharmacutical greed claims? That is a pity because

there is a real reason to investigate the pharmacutical industry. It

unfortunatatly plays right into the hands of big biz who can hold up these

kinds of claims and just say " snake oil " and thus avoid having to be

accountable for thier actions. Who loses? Everybody does thats who.

On 9/16/06, rb2717 <robert-blau@...> wrote:

>

>

> Intravenous Vitamin C. There should be a file on it in the " Files " section

> of the group, with links and other good information. I feel it is something

> worth being aware of.

>

> Best,

> RB

>

> P.S. Thanks to the many for the positive thoughts.

>

>

>

> > I'm sorry if it offends you that I offer up as " food for thought " , items

> > which I think may be of interest. It should be clear that I do not

> > endorse any particular one (although I'm kind of bullish on IVC). Other

> > than that, you really might want to check that negative attitude. Just a

> > thought.

> >

> > Love.

> > B

> >

> > P.S. " Who has achieved what with what " is an ongoing debate -- and one

> > that would seem to be a legitimate purpose of the group.

> >

> > Posted by: " giantenzyme " metameme@... giantenzyme Date: Fri

>

> > Sep 15, 2006 5:28 pm (PDT)

> > i think its about time they put you up against a wall and fucking well

> > shot you robert blau for intellectual dishonesty pure and applied.

> > find yourself a nice hobby....like sweeping the public streets or

> > something.

> > these " wonderful " suggestions you post every day to treat cancers should

> > specifically help you if you get cancer.....let's hope you do get one

> > and so get to prove your own wide brash assertions.

> > it is very hard to weed out significant information for people seeking

> > help.....those with disease & desparate to find some alternative to what

> > seems mainstream medicine's cruel world - you don't help at all in

> > sifting out what might be a good bet. you are uninformed when it comes

> > down to who has achieved what result with what remedy.......just on and

> > on and on with STUFF.

> > my 2C worth - joe

> > more people live off cancer than those who live with it.......its a

> > feeding frenzy out there!

> >

> > Interesting promo for an inexpensive book:

> > " What do alternative doctors do

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>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/17/06 10:09:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

draciron@... writes:

> Skin cancer is a simple matter of exposure to too much sun on an area. In

> particuler severe sun burns when you were young

We can't do much about sun exposure when we were a child, but what can we do

years after that initial exposure to prevent skin cancer related to that first

exposure?

[Guest guest]

Chemo is based on the same principles that caused docs to give people

mercury for many years. Radiation therapy is again based on the same

principle. They poison you or specific parts of your body hoping that the

body as a whole is stronger than the areas affected by the cancer. Initially

the results were only slightly better than no treatment at all. A certain

number of people will go into remision, unfortunately many spontanious

remissions come right back a year or two later and the " cured " is again

struck with cancer. On the flip side some of those treated with chemo and

radiation come back with cancer possibly caused by the chemo and radiation

therapy many years later. So in essence they bought time. If you are 70

years old and the treatment buys you 5 years thats a big difference. If youa

re 19 and you buy 5 years thats not much help. Obviously there are flaws in

chemo and radiation therapy and something better needs to be found.

Actually there IS a vacination against one kind of cancer. This gives great

hope against other kinds caused by viral infections. The vacination against

the virus which causes cervical cancer is ready for mainstream use. The

question being debated right now is not it's effectiveness but what age to

give it. Far as I'm concerned give it at age 10 so there's no doubt that

they are covered. Can you picture a world without pap smears? It's coming.

Future generations along with smallpox and other diseases will also be

vacinated against several types of cancer. Whole types of cancer will

probably cease to exist except in very rare instances. Will it cure cancer?

Nope, because not all cancer is caused by viral infection.

I agree with you that increasing your bodies ability to fight off

disease will help you fight off cancer. Yoga is a method for some to reduce

stress. It would not have that effect with all people, possibly not even

half. So Yoga is not a cure or even part of the cure it is just a tool that

is helpfull for some to achieve a goal. That goal is to reduce stress. It is

also for some an aid to focus. Somebody who is already not stressed and very

focused will actually see detrimental effects from the stress of trying to

learn/use Yoga. For some people Yoga is not going have the de-stressfull

effect even if they are severly stressed. They might be a very social person

who will only do Yoga as part of a group. As such they add stress by

worrying about getting to the groups, about whether thier yoga clothing is

clean enough, thier technique, about social interactions with other yoga

people and the natural social hiearchies that develop in any group

interaction humans participate in. So a better way to put it is that a

person should reduce stress as much as possible both to reduce risk of

cancer and also to fight cancer if it is contracted. Yoga may be an

excellent tool for this for many people. It is one of many possible tool.

Recreational drug use may turn out to be far more effective if it were

legal. Marajuana in particuler. Remove the stress of aquiring it and the

stress of it being illegal and many people can gather in hooka bars and

remove all stress. Same effect different means. Social interation with focus

on being as stress free as possible. Hand gliding might be another means of

doing the same thing. Once off the cliff for some people the relaxation is

increadible. Only a few people would find hand gliding recreational. My

point is stress has many causes and relief tools. For me it is guitar. Yoga

would just stress me out. I have too restless a mind for something so

passive. I don't even have a TV hooked up to cable for the same reason as TV

is too passive for me. The point is that it is stress reduction not the yoga

itself that is benificial. The yoga is merely a tool for an end. Differnt

people require different tools. Understanding that stress is itself the

actual thing you are fighting is crucial for any tool to be usefull.

Advocating the tool without understanding it's usage is like selling a

chainsaw designed for a lumberjack to a physical therapist. Sure you could

design exercises around it if you worked really hard at it but wouldn't it

be better to understand the effect and thus tailor a tool that is truely

practical to the user of the tool for the intended purpose?

When you say fertile grounds for cancer, yes you are going to become more

suceptible to cancer if certain conditions exist. Smoking is probably the

most famous. There are ingredients in cigs which are commonly found in other

substances which make people exposed to them more likely to develop cancer.

What those elements are besides the heat is unknown. What is known is that

heat at a certain level makes any animal's cells more pliant. So coffee and

hot tea drinkers exchange one set of risk factors for another. Smokers,

people who breath hot fumes on a reguler basis, etc also face these same

kinds of risks. It may well turn out that skin cancer is a combination of

the heat being the means of damage and the ultraviolet in the sunlight being

the causitive effect which causes skin cancer. Stress has nothing to do with

it unless stress is what put you out in the sunlight in the first place.

Skin cancer is a simple matter of exposure to too much sun on an area. In

particuler severe sun burns when you were young. It happens on exposed areas

typically, at least the first ones do. They can spread from there, however

sunscreen or better yet do not tan and avoid too much exposure to the

sunlight and skin cancer can be prevented. For people who thru work or

recreation are exposed frequently to long bouts of the sun things like a hat

can do more than all the other " cures " in the world.

Everything you take into your body will have an effect on it. So far

research has shown if you feed a large enough dose of anything to a rat it

will develop cancer from it. That would include viatimins. So again it's a

matter of trading risks. How large the dose is with certain viatimins is

hard to say. The multi-viatimins can be sometimes contain toxic doses of

heavy metals if you take too much of it. With viatimin C apparently you have

to take really massive doses to overide the bodies ability to get rid of

excess viatimin C. For the most part your body takes as much viatimin C as

it needs and you push out the rest. Being an ex-drug user and having and had

many friends take extremely massive doses of viatimin C to help with passing

urine tests one thing I do know is that if you take loads of viatimin C

there will be loads of it in your urine. Too much viatimin C in your urine

and you will fail a piss test because they will assume you are using

viatimin C to foil the test. In short if you take an overload of many

viatimins all you've done is change the nature of your urine. The body will

only absorb as much as it decides it needs. Thus the need for IV application

of Viatimin C in Vit C cures. Which to me sounds like it could be rather

dangerous. There's a reason why the body discards excess viatimins. With

some people they possess a naturally low threshold for absorbtion of certain

viatimins/elements. For somebody with such a gentic defect there may be real

value in injecting certain viatimins. There also might be an underlying

cause which is why they are unable to absorb enough or aquire enough of a

nutrient. Fix that cause and you avoid the inherent risks of injections and

inevitable reaccurance of the disease. If it is a viatimin lack which caused

the disease then that person for the rest of thier lives much continue that

treatment or it will come back.

Hemocritotus (sp) better known as Irish disease is the opposite. The body

absorbs more iron than is good for it and long term the extra iron becomes

toxic. The cause is a specific gene in most people and is almost always seen

in people of Irish descent. (I have this gene and have been diagnosed with

it, thus the particuler research into the subject. One of my uncles is

suspected of getting liver cancer from the massive levels of iron in his

blood) Irish disease is an example of what too much of a good thing can do

to destroy the body. Any metal overload in the system is toxic. Overdoses of

other viatimins have been linked to other conditions, mostly through genetic

defects which cause a failure in the systems natural responses to reject

excess amounts of a mineral,metal,viatimin in the digestive system. In fact

some cancers are likely to be closely linked to such genetic defects. So it

is possible with some cancers that diet can help by removing the irritant

which caused the cancer in the first place. In the case of Irish disease

removing high iron foods like Spinach, Raisans, etc is a good idea and may

prevent that particuler person from getting cancer by not providing the

necessary levels of a nutrient to become toxic. Intentionally taking high

doses of a nutrient is risky since you are bypassing the bodies natural

protection systems. It may however be necessary if a genetic defect prevents

the proper levels of absorbtion of that nutrients. Reducing the quanity of

other nutrients is also a means of fighting certain cancers. Will it prevent

it completely? No it won't. It will just add/reduce your risks. How much is

unknown because nobody is really studying this aspect. So one person who

might have a rare cancer caused by a genetic defect which prevents the

absorbtion of a certain levels of a nutrient can be " cured " by a viatimin

overdose. Others it will make zero difference. Which cancers and what the

gentic defect is, is exactly the kind of thing we need to research. It sure

isn't going to help liver cancer, in fact liver cancer seems to be caused

primarily by toxic overloads of nutrients or cancers from other places

spread to the liver. Anybody cured of any cancer by viatimins should have a

genome test. I suspect they will find a specific gene such as the gene that

causes Irish disease which caused the problem though lack of absorbtion of a

key nutrient or over absorbtion of a nutrient.

There are suggestions that fiber helps prevent colen cancer. All fiber does

is make sure you go on a reguler basis by building up bulk thus triggering

the body to relieve that bulk. This would suggest that there is an element

of exposure to toxic materials in the diet. What they are nobody knows since

nobody is actually studying it. Many might turn out to be enzymes and

bacteria normally found in foods. Perhaps it's molds that grow on foods or

additives. At least one food color dye has been shown to be dangerous. I

suspect we'll find more that are. A simple solution is to find out and

remove them. The philosophy of organic foods is to reduce as much as

possible external additives to foods. Organic food philosophy is based on

the concept that each additive is a risk which provides no nutritional

value. This is quite true with dyes especially. However if purely organic

means were used we'd starve to death since preservitives are essential at

this moment of our technological abilities. Our ability to grow and

distribute food before equally toxic molds and bacteria infected the food is

just not there on a mass scale. So a better solution is to find better ways

of preserving foods without adding substances to it or changing our ability

to eat the variety of foods we do. The technology is probably there but

people consider additives good enough and safe enough. That combined with

modern packaging which itself is quite possibly adding things

unintentionally to our food. Think about it plastic is made from petroleum.

In other words you are wrapping your food in solidfied oil byproducts. Oil

products have proven over and over again to be carcigens. So it might not be

the additives at all. It might be the packaging which is killing us. Add a

trace of heat to that plastic and it might be leaking all kinds of nasties

onto our food. Nasties which we then take into our bodies. Perhaps it's

contact with an oxidization agent. Maybe something the food itself leaks

interacts with the plastic. For years tomatoes were considered a poisonous

food. The reason was they are acidic and when placed on lead laced dishes

they leached the lead from the dishes and soaked it up providing lethal

doses of lead. It wasn't the diet at all but a side effect of the diet with

a dangerous practice. So wrapping certain foods in plastic may be producing

an equally lethal combination. The Organic solution was to quit eating

tomatoes which is what people did for hundreds of years. The logical

solution was to investigate what was happening, discover it was lead and

quit using lead in dishes. This allowed people to eat tomatoes to their

heart's content. The reality is nobody thought to question why. They saw

action and result but had no idea as to the cause of it. This lack of

knowledge of the mechanics only delayed the enevitable lead poisoning. It

removed the fastest means rather than the means entirely. Nobody studied WHY

tomatoes introduced such high levels of lead to the body. Just as nobody has

studied the effect of plastic under microwaves and what such actions might

introduce to foods. There are enough variations in plastics that some might

be very toxic and people who eat food wrapped with a give plastic or in

paper printed with a specific ink then exposed to the heat of a truck

transporting it and so on. It's just a big black hole. You throw things in,

see what comes out. Not a good way of living in my opinion. It devolves

quickly to superstition and inaccurate assumptions like the tomatoe example

above.

In short action without understanding is still inaction just slower

inaction.

Second diet is a very individual choice and need. A diet designed to " fight

cancer " may well actually cause it in certain people. Just as there are many

causes of cancer there are many people and making blanket statements is

likely to be very inaccurate. A person with reduced ability to absorb

certain elements may naturally gravitate twoards certain foods. Diet is far

more than just taste buds. I don't know about you but I get cravings every

so often for specific foods. Part of this craving I feel is that I need a

certain nutrient. I go months at a time without drinking milk. Milk is not

easy on my digestive track and I get most of my dairy products from eating

cheese. However every once in a while I want a glass of milk out of nowhere

even though I don't particulerly like the taste. I drink some milk and

craving is solved and it might be six months before I drink another glass of

milk. Whatever the nutrient is, possibly Viatimin D my body spoke up and

said get some. My mind interpeted this and gave me a specific food to crave.

So the body does offer feedback if you are willing to listen. Diet is

however a very private thing. Anybody who attempted to make me a Vegan would

fail miserably. Nor would anybody have a right to try to make a Vegan eat

meat. It is a very private choice. It is generally quanity not the actual

foods that can be a problem. Too much salt in your diet is not good for most

people. Some people need it. Some people need it when they are doing

specific things such as working in the sun a great deal but continue to eat

high salt diets when they are not in such an environement. So there are too

many variables dealing with environment, genetics, ability to absorb

nutrients and artificial factors such as ingredients and packaging to make

blanket statements about diet. What is a perfect diet for you might lead to

severe nutritional problems for another or might be so high in a nutrient

which they should not have such high doese of. You could probably not live

well on some peoples diets yet those diets are pefect for them and thier

lifestyle. Age, ethnicity, sex, levels of exercise, exposure to heat,

bruising, and a host of other factors are crucial when deciding on any diet.

So too is the purpose. A linebacker is not going to do well on a diet of

seaweed and wheat germ for most people. There are some for whom that's the

perfect diet even as a linebacker who wants to gain huge amounts of weight

and who's target goal is to weigh at least 300 pounds. For a model a diet

rich in fat and processed foods is probably a bad idea. A few can do it,

most cannot eat that way and not gain noticable weight. Again many factors

involved in deciding who can eat what and what effect that will have. A

person with chronic diareah is probably not going to benifit at all from

extra fiber. If might harm them actually. A person with chronic constipation

should probably avoid a diet high in cheese or add large doses of fiber. My

point again comes to how little we understand the mechanics involved and the

huge varience between individuals. Not just between individuals but also

thier temporal requirements which can change in as little as a week's time.

Research has shown a positive outlook and strong deisre to survive is a huge

factor in the success of any cancer treatment. Some find this through

spirtual means (Church, Yoga, love of family) and some find it thorugh sheer

raw grit. Again the means to the end is not the end itself. It is only a way

to facilitate the goal. So a religious person is going to do better going to

church than a yoga session. An athiest is going to find no help in a church

by the same token. The goal is to have a positive attitude. One that

increases your immune system's reaction. No magic in it. Just simple faith

healing. The kind that's been practiced by shamens, barnstorming preachers

and all sorts of spiritual healers going back to the dawn of time. For a

small percentage of people that is probably all the help they need. For most

people it's going to take more than wishfull thinking to get well. Though

the wishfull thinking is a major factor in the success of the other methods

of treatment.

So we are down to exercise. Yes it has proven to be very benificial in all

health care aspects. A great many diseases are directly linked to lack of

exercise as a major factor in thier onset. So exercise is benifiicial to all

if done with respect to your own body and the exercise routines are varied

enough to avoid repetitive stress injury. Joggers in particuler suffer a

large number of health issues due to thier choice of exercise. Jogging also

happens to be one of the best exercises and most practical for many people.

No special equiptment. Easy to make as part of a routine. Easy routine to

maintain. Long term joggers who are not allowed to job at least periodically

will actually crave jogging. This is balenced with knee and ankle stress as

well as other impact injuries. Especially for people who jog regulerly on

hard surfaces such as concrete, pavement or hard packed clay. So again

exercise, what level and what type is very individualistic and full of trade

offs. So again exercise is a tool to a means. The means being physical

fitness. An very helpfull tool in warding off or fighting most disease but

not every disease.

My uncle could have jogged till he was exhausted every day. He was an

ex-Marine and stayed in decent shape actually. He had a little time bomb in

him. Normal diet produced far too much iron in his system. Exercise would

not/did not change anything. Stress levels, diet that did not exclude iron,

yoga, none of that was going to save my uncle. What would have was having

heard of this disease, a simple genetic or blood iron test then giving blood

on a reguler basis as well as avoiding high iron foods. This is one instance

where no drugs were involve and cancer could have been avoided most likely.

Several of my relitives have tested positive for this condition and by

following that treatment have significantly reduced thier iron levels. I

have as well by modifying my diet to reduce iron intake. Last test was still

on the high side of norm but within tolerances. So I do see value in

non-drug treatments. All it takes is understanding the mechanics. That is

essential to treating anything. Until you understand why it works it isn't

going to work for most people much less all. By not understanding the

mechanics there is a real risk of creating even more damage. That is one of

the core failures of traditional treatment as well. The lack of

understanding in the mechanics has people on chemo who not only do not

benifit from it but actually suffer damage from it I feel. For some people

with certain cancers chemo can be a lifesaver. Why it works or doesn't work,

why other treatments work or don't work is a fundemental lack of knowledge

about the mechanics. Any real treatment requires a knowlege of the mechancis

of the condition. This will allow for the huge number of variables that are

present in the human condition and allow reasonable risks to be undertaken.

If you don't know how it works your just waving a wand and going with the

preponderance of statistics availible to you.

On 9/17/06, Marsh <marshnmarsh@...> wrote:

>

> Dan,

> You are certainly correct when you say that there are many types of cancer

> and there will never be just one pill to cure it.

> A vitamin does not kill a virus or reprogram DNA. Chemo, because it is a

> poison may kill cancer cells but it poisons and destroys everything else in

> it's path at the same time. Chemo does not attack the underlying problem or

> cause of cancer.

> It is my opinion that cancer is like mushrooms, it grows when the

> environment is favorable. When provided with warm, damp, loom (dead or

> decaying matter) mushrooms grow. When there is too much sun, not enough

> moisture or dry sand no mushrooms grows.

> Our bodies are incredible machines that are programed to run and repair

> itself as long as the tools and supplies are available in sufficient

> amounts. Our bodies need clean air, clean water and nutrient rich food.

> Unfortunately these simple things are harder and harder to come by all the

> time. Are lives are bombarded by chemicals and toxins at every turn. Are

> systems are depleted and therefore when we reproduce the next generation

> starts at a disadvantage.

> Cancer takes advantage of these disadvantages and puts down roots. If our

> bodies are not up to the fight, cancer takes over. There are many kinds and

> types of cancer what they all have in common are that they are mutant cells

> that reproduce mutant cells. If we were giving our bodies and minds what

> they need to survive and prosper CANCER could not take root.

> All the vitamins, minerals, antioxidants and yoga will help your body

> fight, reducing chemicals and stress in your environment will also help your

> body and mind be at it's best.

> There will never be a vaccine or pill that will end cancer because is the

> breaking down of the bodies ability to heal itself. Only by building up your

> body's system can any of us hope to beat cancer in the long run. All the

> systems are tied together; the immune system fights invasion and free

> radicals but the digestive system has to be running right the get the

> nutrients from our food to fuel the immune system. the lymph system,

> circulatory system etc....... must all work together to keep the machine

> running.

> So the key is get rid of chemicals...........find nutrient rich

> food..........reduce stress..... think positive............... do everything

> possible to support your system.

> Vaccines and prescription drugs work against your system not with it.

>

>

>

> Dan <draciron@... <draciron%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> My take on alternitive cures.

>

> Every disease is a physilogical interaction. It might be a forign

> substance

> such as a poison or an invader like bacteria or viruses, it might be

> genetics such as seen in sickle cell and in some cases such as Scurvey it

> is

> a nutritional imbalence. Some diseases are just the effect of imbalences

> in

> the body such as not enough seritonin.

>

> So far what little we undestand about cancer the body starts growing

> mutated

> cells. Some cancers like Cervical cancer are caused by a virus. Some

> cancers

> are caused by exposure to radiation (such as sunlight's ultraviolet

> spectrum) thus causing a disruption in our very DNA. Most cancers are

> poorly

> understood. We know that certain substances will make us more likely to

> get

> cancer. Not all smokers, not even the majority I think die of lung cancer.

> Not all exposed to large amounts of asbesteos die or even show signs of

> asbesteous or however you spell it.

>

> So cancer has multiple causes. Thus nothing can cure all cancer. Plain

> simple. There is no wonder cure that will take on every or probably even

> half the cancers out there. You cannot rearrange DNA with vitamens. Cetain

> viatimes may help soak up residual radiation if taken imediately after

> exposure. Some viatimins may be good at soaking up free radicals.

> Something

> that is suspected as a contributer in many diseases. What they will not do

> is kill a virus. You will not get rid of cervical cancer by taking any

> amount of B17. You have to kill the virus or remove the infected areas.

> Since it's not so much the virus but the machinery left behind apparently

> that causes the mutatation killing the virus may not be enough. If massive

> doses of B17 killed viruses it would also be the cure for the cold, flu

> and

> AIDS. So I'm very skeptical about B17 curing any kind of virus.

>

> Certain herbs may contain something which inhibits the growth of cancer

> cells. Many of our medicines today are based on herbal medicines used by

> one

> culture or another at one time. Studies found they worked, then after a

> large amount of research they isolated what worked in the medicine and

> synthsized just that. So the odds are good that there are more out there.

> Since we do not understand the mechanisms of cancer very well we have

> lilttle to predict the effectiveness of a given plant's extracts.

>

> What we can do is dismiss the cure all claims by the simple fact there is

> no

> such thing when it comes to cancer. To claim a blanket cure for cancer is

> like claiming that it will also help you with colds, amputated limbs, a

> headache and a 100 other totally unrelated things. Cancer isn't one

> disease.

> It is a broad name for multiple diseases. Multiple diseases with multiple

> causes. Even specific cancers such as colen cancer may have multiple

> causes.

>

> Second, having known a number of doctors. I find it very offensive to see

> people claim this or that about doctors. That would be like picking out a

> skin color and claiming all people of that skin color are xyz. They are

> not.

> There are good and bad doctors. They are just people. They are also people

> screened very rigerously for any behavior which would be deemed as

> pyschotic. Especially the Doctors that people normally come in contact

> with

> are people that got into medicine to help people. Orthapods and surgical

> pursuits are where you see more of the arrogance and greed. There is even

> a

> world wide organization of doctors called doctors without frontiers who

> volenteer time and efforts. Risk thier lives even to provide free medical

> care to the underserved. I'm sorry, I see no difference between racism and

> the doctor bashing I see going on with this list.

>

> I also feel that is somebody wants to champion a subject they should

> research that subject. The cure all claims I'm hearing. Especially the

> yoga

> can only work on most cancers if the cancer is purely a pyschological

> manifestation. They obviously have zero medical benifit from a

> physilogical

> standpoint as nothing can cure all cancers. Yet I am hearing all I have to

> do is my yoga, eat lots of vegitables and take massive doses of certain

> viatimins and I can magically cure all kinds of cancer. It don't work that

> way folks. If we were talking about the cold, ok there are only what 100

> different strains of the cold and they are all closely related. There are

> what 1,000+ types of cancer? There are how many possible causes of cancer?

> Anybody ever heard of Oscam's razor?

>

> As for the pharmacutal company conspiracy charges. If it's true then by

> presenting reasoned and fact based presentations of a cure that works but

> is

> obstructed by the big drug companies be proof enough for people to make up

> thier own minds? Is it really necessary to act like everyone on this list

> is

> 3 years old and have to be told what to think? I think most people on this

> list are perfectly capable of drawing thier own conclusions based on

> factual

> information and logic. There is no need to go on and on and on in multiple

> messages. This is a list group about cancer not a political commercial.

> This kind of evangelizing has a discrediting effect on valid charges of

> monpolizing and unethical behavior by the pharmacutical companies. Even if

> the extent is not exagerted or outright fabricated the lack of logical

> presentation makes it look like hysteria. The pulpit style brimstone hell

> fire force it down your throat presentation is going to have the opposite

> effect among most people. The charge of big drug companies having it out

> for

> the consumer is used in place of any kind of research, as an excuse not to

> back up a claim with facts. This tends to discredit the entire content,

> which is a diservice to any content that is actually true. Rolling a

> single

> truth in a pack of lies and exagerations makes that truth just as doubted.

> So often I hear about this cure all in the same message as

> anti-pharmacutical company claims. Obviously the cure all is bogus.

> Doesn't

> that cast doubt on the pharmacutical greed claims? That is a pity because

> there is a real reason to investigate the pharmacutical industry. It

> unfortunatatly plays right into the hands of big biz who can hold up these

> kinds of claims and just say " snake oil " and thus avoid having to be

> accountable for thier actions. Who loses? Everybody does thats who.

>

> On 9/16/06, rb2717 <robert-blau@... <robert-blau%40webtv.net>>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Intravenous Vitamin C. There should be a file on it in the " Files "

> section

> > of the group, with links and other good information. I feel it is

> something

> > worth being aware of.

> >

> > Best,

> > RB

> >

> > P.S. Thanks to the many for the positive thoughts.

> >

> >

> >

> > > I'm sorry if it offends you that I offer up as " food for thought " ,

> items

> > > which I think may be of interest. It should be clear that I do not

> > > endorse any particular one (although I'm kind of bullish on IVC).

> Other

> > > than that, you really might want to check that negative attitude. Just

> a

> > > thought.

> > >

> > > Love.

> > > B

> > >

> > > P.S. " Who has achieved what with what " is an ongoing debate -- and one

> > > that would seem to be a legitimate purpose of the group.

> > >

> > > Posted by: " giantenzyme " metameme@... giantenzyme Date: Fri

> >

> > > Sep 15, 2006 5:28 pm (PDT)

> > > i think its about time they put you up against a wall and fucking well

> > > shot you robert blau for intellectual dishonesty pure and applied.

> > > find yourself a nice hobby....like sweeping the public streets or

> > > something.

> > > these " wonderful " suggestions you post every day to treat cancers

> should

> > > specifically help you if you get cancer.....let's hope you do get one

> > > and so get to prove your own wide brash assertions.

> > > it is very hard to weed out significant information for people seeking

> > > help.....those with disease & desparate to find some alternative to

> what

> > > seems mainstream medicine's cruel world - you don't help at all in

> > > sifting out what might be a good bet. you are uninformed when it comes

> > > down to who has achieved what result with what remedy.......just on

> and

> > > on and on with STUFF.

> > > my 2C worth - joe

> > > more people live off cancer than those who live with it.......its a

> > > feeding frenzy out there!

> > >

> > > Interesting promo for an inexpensive book:

> > > " What do alternative doctors do

> > > when their loved ones get cancer?

> > > We asked them and found out! They use rare and even BANNED cancer

> > > therapies to save the ones they love.

> > > One doctor's son returned home to die, but his dad found a miracle for

> > > him instead! Click below to learn more.

> > > JFK's personal doctor cured his own colon cancer with an herbal blend.

> > > A nutritionist sent many of her clients to a German clinic for cancer

> > > treatment. Then she discovered she had cancer herself and went to the

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> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not alot apparently. I'm getting what appears to be my first skin cancer

removed sometime soon. The Doc who diagnosed it pointed to his arm showing

me the tiny scar where he had his first one removed. When I was a child

there was no understanding of the link between cancer and sunlight exposure.

So we as parents can prevent overexposure hopefully with our children thus

removing the need for them to go thru this when they get to be our age.

Depends on the type of skin cancer as there are more than one type of skin

cancer. If treated early most are easy to cure. I've heard that asperin is

actually good against one type. Mostly it's just a simple removal of

affected area. I personally got huge doses of sunlight as a child & young

adult as well as 2nd degree burns from sun burns a few times. Sun burns by

the hundreds at least LOL. I don't tan very well. Even got what is called

sun poisoning once. Had never heard of it until I moved to Florida and

didn't give it much thought till one day on the beach I fell asleep.

Couldn't put my boots on the next morning my feet were so badly burned and

swollen. So it's no surprise to me that I'll develop skin cancer if I live

long enough. Luckily most types of skin cancer are easily treated and not

especially dangerous.

Some good basic info about skin cancer here.

http://www.cancercenter.com/skin-cancer.cfm

I've heard a few claims that " multi-purpose " enzymes help both with

digestion and that diet can somehow affect whether or not you get skin

cancer. I have zero confidence in them. The sun damaged the DNA of the

affected area. How diet can change this I'd like to hear. Claims of also

boosting your " anti-cancer " fighting system also to me sound as baseless. If

for nothing else the multiple causes of cancer. Perhaps you can limit damage

from skin cancer or speed recovery once it's removed. I suspect diet has

zero impact on skin cancer. It spreads slowly. Would not poor diet speed

it's spread if diet had a major impact?

Anyway it's easily fixed if you catch it early. Rarely spreads to other

organs for most types of skin cancer. Trying to avoid it might cause bigger

problems not so easily solved.

On 9/17/06, szukidavis@... <szukidavis@...> wrote:

>

> In a message dated 9/17/06 10:09:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> draciron@... <draciron%40gmail.com> writes:

>

> > Skin cancer is a simple matter of exposure to too much sun on an area.

> In

> > particuler severe sun burns when you were young

>

> We can't do much about sun exposure when we were a child, but what can we

> do

> years after that initial exposure to prevent skin cancer related to that

> first

> exposure?

>

>