Re: DIM Discussion

June 23, 2005

Hey Greg:

This is really interesting because, Phil has expressed a number of times that

his estradiol level has gone too low and, that makes him feel like shit just as

a bad, or worse, than having an elevated level. In my case, I've NEVER

experienced the " low " -- oh hell yes, I know all about the too high and its

dreadful. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. But, from my experience -- I've not

gone too low. As you know, I get my blood tested every week (can't wait to see

this week's numbers -- should be ready tonight) and my estradiol stays right

around 15. It was once down around 12 but, I did not feel bad.

Could it be, once again, that each one of us processes estradiol in our own

systems differently? Maybe Phil's system has roller coasted so much over the

many years he's suffered with this hypogonadism/ED crap that he's got to keep

his estradiol in a very strict mid-range in order to feel okay? Damned if I

know. Just speculation.

Best Regards,

Gene

DIM Discussion

In regard to taking DIM. Many years ago I took DIM as an aid to my

weight training with no connection to taking T at that time.

I read the book many times and they recommend taking any where from

200 to 400 mgs for men.

Many people here say taking too much can knock your E levels down

too much and kill libido. I am not saying that this isn't true.

If it is true then what about all the men out there NOT on T therapy

taking DIM and taking the larger doses. Why aren't they losing their

libidos if their Estradiol are being reduced. The authors state that

their are no side effects to taking larger doses.

I don't remember ever having my libido reduced when I was taking DIM

back then. I don't see why that should happen and I would like

someone to and give me an answer to help me understand this better.

I get the impresion that the DIM acts as an Adaptogin and regulates

the good and bad Estrogins and keeps them at a good level.

Anyone want to take a stab at this?

Thanks

Greg

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June 23, 2005

>Gene, I don't know either.

Did you ever read the booklet. Interesting reading. If true about

libido there has got to be a whole lot of people out there taking

big doses of DIM and having no sex, LOL. When they say you need E

for libido does that mean you need Estrdiol and total Estrogen?

Greg

Hey Greg:

>

> This is really interesting because, Phil has expressed a number of

times that his estradiol level has gone too low and, that makes him

feel like shit just as a bad, or worse, than having an elevated

level. In my case, I've NEVER experienced the " low " -- oh hell yes,

I know all about the too high and its dreadful. I wouldn't wish

that on anyone. But, from my experience -- I've not gone too low.

As you know, I get my blood tested every week (can't wait to see

this week's numbers -- should be ready tonight) and my estradiol

stays right around 15. It was once down around 12 but, I did not

feel bad.

>

> Could it be, once again, that each one of us processes estradiol

in our own systems differently? Maybe Phil's system has roller

coasted so much over the many years he's suffered with this

hypogonadism/ED crap that he's got to keep his estradiol in a very

strict mid-range in order to feel okay? Damned if I know. Just

speculation.

>

> Best Regards,

> Gene

> DIM Discussion

>

> In regard to taking DIM. Many years ago I took DIM as an aid to

my

> weight training with no connection to taking T at that time.

>

> I read the book many times and they recommend taking any where

from

> 200 to 400 mgs for men.

>

> Many people here say taking too much can knock your E levels

down

> too much and kill libido. I am not saying that this isn't true.

>

> If it is true then what about all the men out there NOT on T

therapy

> taking DIM and taking the larger doses. Why aren't they losing

their

> libidos if their Estradiol are being reduced. The authors state

that

> their are no side effects to taking larger doses.

>

> I don't remember ever having my libido reduced when I was taking

DIM

> back then. I don't see why that should happen and I would like

> someone to and give me an answer to help me understand this

better.

>

> I get the impresion that the DIM acts as an Adaptogin and

regulates

> the good and bad Estrogins and keeps them at a good level.

>

> Anyone want to take a stab at this?

>

> Thanks

> Greg

>

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>

June 23, 2005

> If it is true then what about all the men out there NOT on T therapy

> taking DIM and taking the larger doses. Why aren't they losing their

> libidos if their Estradiol are being reduced. The authors state that

> their are no side effects to taking larger doses.

>

> I don't remember ever having my libido reduced when I was taking DIM

> back then. I don't see why that should happen and I would like

> someone to and give me an answer to help me understand this better.

You probably weren't taking bioavailable DIM (a.k.a., Indolplex). All

other DIM is worthless because it gets digested before it can enter the

blood stream.

June 23, 2005

Greg are you talking about the booklet sold at this site. As said the

other DIM's Don't work at least not for me. Indolplex/DIM will make you go to

low. As for Gene his T levels are very high were I need mine and this may be

why he has not gone to low the best level for E2 is 10 - 30 I feel best at 20.

I have said this many times if you go to low on Indloplex/DIM you will lose your

morning wood. You need to have all the E's in balance the same for T's shit all

your hormones need to be in balance to feel good and for you dick to work right.

Phil

Greg Kevorkian <grekkevork@...> wrote: