Re: Are there any valid, unbiased TESTs proving zapper works?

February 17, 2006

Is there any research online or in a respected medical journal anywhere that

documents in a scientific way with a control group and all that the zapper

works? I have found anecdotal claims but NO research on it to back it up. So I

am still sitting on the fence. I can't afford to waste money on another thing

not backed up by some valid tests.

Joanie

February 18, 2006

Just to let you know, there was a controlled study - done by two scientists at

Washington State University - of the zapper, showing that it definitely killed

E-Coli bacteria. J.B.

I don't think discounting studies validity works in this case. It would seem

very easy to test this as you could test for parasites and infectious agents

before and after the use of the zapper. A control group would be easy too.

Simply people infected with what ever agent you are testing for who are not

using zapper.

I can't believe there is not one controlled study of this. IF not I guess I

am skeptical as they are being used and sold, and noone ever produced any

documentation of results. Seems odd.

February 18, 2006

So big Parma isn't interested. It would still seem that some researcher in

this big world would of tested this by now. In the whole big world of

homeopathic and holistic medicine it would seem that someone has studied it.

I would like more information on the University study if you have as I would

like to read it.

Thanks

February 18, 2006

It depends on whom you ask and which journal you may be referencing as to

whether or not they are considered respected. Much of the statistical analysis

done by drug companies does not follow " respected " statistical rules for

studies, such as using a random sampling of the population for their test

subjects, testing for a long enough time period (I've heard of 1 month as less

studies, for example), using a double-blind, placebos, and likely numerous other

violations to slant the " rules " , including drawing the wrong conclusions from

the already biased results, and not reporting the bad things that occurred -

only what they wanted reported. I generally tend towards being very suspect of

any studies I hear about. Note I've got a BSME and a master's degree which

included many different statistics courses. Our teachers generally told use you

can make a single group of data tell you almost anything you wanted it to, and

they said it was very important to set up your analysis using

random samples large enough to make a good inference. Other important

considerations are also inherit in any study, depending on what you want to

learn about. After that, interpreting the results is another art form (or

science).

An example from my personal experience is a long-term study by a local

hospital on cholesterol. I started the Atkins diet as the study begin, and my

cholesterol lowered considerably. As they did their surveys and questioned me

about my lifestyle, they refused to write down what I told them about my food

choices and the fact I was not eating processed food and so on. They " summarily

dismissed " me and I was never invited back for the next screening. This just

confirmed me suspicions that I need to take care of myself, trusting to some

extent that which I felt was good for me from my own research - with mistakes

being made along the way. I continue this effort to this day and am currently

on no prescription drugs nor any over-the-counter drugs. A lot of factors in my

life contribute to my health... Anyway, the route you take can be confirmed by

doing (or having a professional) applied kinesiology (muscle testing) - this

will tell you if a particular model of zapper (or zappers

in general) will be effective in your (or yours) quest for optimal health. You

can even use muscle testing to check the truth or falsehood (see Hawkin's

work) of the study. Good Luck!

Hope this is of use.

Best in Life,

Rice

csunbean@... wrote:

Is there any research online or in a respected medical journal anywhere that

documents in a scientific way with a control group and all that the zapper

works? I have found anecdotal claims but NO research on it to back it up. So I

am still sitting on the fence. I can't afford to waste money on another thing

not backed up by some valid tests.

Joanie

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February 18, 2006

You're joking?

Google " Big Pharma " ....read all you can...then ask

yourself that question again....

The short answer. No, of course not. It's NOT in

" their " interest.

The only study I was aware of the even cam e close was

done by the Univ. of Washington. a few years ago...and

I don't think it was the double blind you're looking

for....

Another problem with questions like these is not

acknowledging the fact that the " testers " are smart

enough to design a " study " to get the result they want

to show...

For me the most egregious example of that was the St.

's " study " from a few years back in which they

tested an amount *already known* to be insufficient to

give relief of major depression...

Of course when they made their press release they

simply didn't mention that little tidbit.

You don't want to waste money? Build your own...

And stop wasting money on biased MDs...at least find

one that asdvertises complimentary medicine...

--- csunbean@... wrote:

> Is there any research online or in a respected

> medical journal anywhere that

> documents in a scientific way with a control group

> and all that the zapper

> works? I have found anecdotal claims but NO research

> on it to back it up. So I

> am still sitting on the fence. I can't afford to

> waste money on another thing

> not backed up by some valid tests.

> Joanie

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

XAN: " I knew. I saw I didn't know what I thought I knew. I gave up knowing for

not knowing with great relief. Through not knowing now I know. "

February 18, 2006

Good call, Kep. The current medical community doesn't even want us

cured! How can they make all that money on us if we are healthy???

And yes, those tests can be made to say just about anything if the

testers manipulate the data to suit their 'hypothesis'.

All I know is how much money I wasted on the 'medical' management

tools and supplies for diabetes, to say nothing of all those basically

worthless Dr. visits, and I just couldn't balk at 150 or so dollars

for a good zapper. Sure, insurance covered most of the costs of the

traditional approach, but now that I don't have any insurance, I for

sure couldn't afford to deal with diabetes their way!

Annette

>

> > Is there any research online or in a respected

> > medical journal anywhere that

> > documents in a scientific way with a control group

> > and all that the zapper

> > works? I have found anecdotal claims but NO research

> > on it to back it up. So I

> > am still sitting on the fence. I can't afford to

> > waste money on another thing

> > not backed up by some valid tests.

> > Joanie

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

> XAN: " I knew. I saw I didn't know what I thought I knew. I gave up

knowing for not knowing with great relief. Through not knowing now I

know. "

>

February 18, 2006

csunbean@... wrote:

>

> > ...respected medical journal...

There's an oxymoron! (hehe)

Take care,

Corey

> >

> > > Is there any research online or in a respected

> > > medical journal anywhere that

> > > documents in a scientific way with a control group

> > > and all that the zapper

> > > works? I have found anecdotal claims but NO research

> > > on it to back it up. So I

> > > am still sitting on the fence. I can't afford to

> > > waste money on another thing

> > > not backed up by some valid tests.

> > > Joanie

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> >

> > XAN: " I knew. I saw I didn't know what I thought I knew. I gave

up

> knowing for not knowing with great relief. Through not knowing now

I

> know. "

> >

>

February 18, 2006

With all due respect, Corey, I am sadden by the manner you chose to react to an

inquiry. Why not enlighten us all with some facts instead?

God bless you and give you peace, love and fulfillment.

koyd24 <c_dyok@...> wrote:

csunbean@... wrote:

>

> > ...respected medical journal...

There's an oxymoron! (hehe)

Take care,

Corey

> >

> > > Is there any research online or in a respected

> > > medical journal anywhere that

> > > documents in a scientific way with a control group

> > > and all that the zapper

> > > works? I have found anecdotal claims but NO research

> > > on it to back it up. So I

> > > am still sitting on the fence. I can't afford to

> > > waste money on another thing

> > > not backed up by some valid tests.

> > > Joanie

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> >

> > XAN: " I knew. I saw I didn't know what I thought I knew. I gave

up

> knowing for not knowing with great relief. Through not knowing now

I

> know. "

> >

>

February 18, 2006

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50,000% and more...

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Re: Re: Are there any valid, unbiased TESTs proving zapper

works?

Is there any research online or in a respected medical journal anywhere that

documents in a scientific way with a control group and all that the zapper

works? I have found anecdotal claims but NO research on it to back it up. So I

am still sitting on the fence. I can't afford to waste money on another thing

not backed up by some valid tests.

Joanie

February 19, 2006

--- csunbean@... wrote:

> So big Parma isn't interested.

Hostile is more like it...

>It would still seem

> that some researcher in

> this big world would of tested this by now.

Certainly no academic nor anyone dependent on

government grants or corporate funding. Studies cost

money.

>In the

> whole big world of

> homeopathic and holistic medicine it would seem that

> someone has studied it.

You mean like the study recently released from London

Homeopathic showing the effectiveness of Homeopathy

when combined with other medicines? It was drowned out

with a flood in the press of anti-homeopathy

articles...even The Lancet had to come out and

discredit homeopathy in general at the same time the

announcement was made by the Hospital...i.e., even if

it were to be done they'd bury it, decredit it, bring

lawsuits against, etc.

I assume your familiar with Quackwatch's legal

harrassment of Dr. . You really think they would

not do the same to anyone conducting such a study?

It's a classic Church of Scientology tactic.

Backruptcy through lawsuits....It's doesn't even

matter if they win, they just need to make their

target spend all their money defending

themselves...the rest will fall into line.

Ok, you are now free to do the study yourself armed

with this knowledge...

> I would like more information on the University

> study if you have as I would

> like to read it.

> Thanks

>

I'll have to look and see if I ever nurned that to

CD...I had located it once when we all first became

aware of it....but last I checked it had been removed

from the Universities servers....(I think it was

Washinngton....or maybe Washington State? One of

those....

Khepri

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

XAN: " I knew. I saw I didn't know what I thought I knew. I gave up knowing for

not knowing with great relief. Through not knowing now I know. "

February 19, 2006

Yeah, I guess I was a tad overzealous in my

response...but the points were all valid I believe...

When you say " they don't want us cured " you're talking

my talk!

People talk alot about conspiracy theories

nowadays....but I believe the worst conpriracy theory

of all is our current health care system!

It started for me when I read " The Cancer Cure That

Worked " about Royal Rife and what " they " did to him

and other of the time....burning labs, throwing people

in jail and throwing away the key, etc.....Keely,

Rife, Tesla, Weston Price, Kellogg (the sane one), and

more....

And all this coincides with the formation of the AMA

and FDA....it was A New Deal alright.

They began promoting a diet foods and a lifestyle they

*knew* would make us sick...anyone that disagreed was

labelled a fraud or quack by the AMA and their

cronies...

I swear it all gives me the red ass!...LOL

It has to be the greatest conspiracy...cancer and all

our modern illnesses.

--- sandie55a <amhall@...> wrote:

> Good call, Kep. The current medical community

> doesn't even want us

> cured! How can they make all that money on us if we

> are healthy???

> And yes, those tests can be made to say just about

> anything if the

> testers manipulate the data to suit their

> 'hypothesis'.

>

> All I know is how much money I wasted on the

> 'medical' management

> tools and supplies for diabetes, to say nothing of

> all those basically

> worthless Dr. visits, and I just couldn't balk at

> 150 or so dollars

> for a good zapper. Sure, insurance covered most of

> the costs of the

> traditional approach, but now that I don't have any

> insurance, I for

> sure couldn't afford to deal with diabetes their

> way!

>

> Annette

>

> >

> > > Is there any research online or in a respected

> > > medical journal anywhere that

> > > documents in a scientific way with a control

> group

> > > and all that the zapper

> > > works? I have found anecdotal claims but NO

> research

> > > on it to back it up. So I

> > > am still sitting on the fence. I can't afford to

> > > waste money on another thing

> > > not backed up by some valid tests.

> > > Joanie

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> >

> > XAN: " I knew. I saw I didn't know what I thought I

> knew. I gave up

> knowing for not knowing with great relief. Through

> not knowing now I

> know. "

> >

>

XAN: " I knew. I saw I didn't know what I thought I knew. I gave up knowing for

not knowing with great relief. Through not knowing now I know. "

February 20, 2006

I didn't find you overzealous, at all! Also, thank you for sharing

what you've found about the history of these kinds of healing

modalities! I hadn't heard that before about the witch hunts of Rife,

and the rest, although I do vaguely recall something about Tesla's

work being 'lost' somewhere along the way. Although I guess I am not

surprised by that information.

I do, like you, think there is a major conspiracy against the american

public with regards to health practices and getting us sicker, but

slowly, so they can maximize profits.

I am also interested in the possibility of a one world order group,

who's adgenda would be very much served by the american public being

sickly and less likely to be paying attention to 'their' government,

not only for the profits the medical field makes (which are

mind-boggling) but because a sickly population is a lot less likely to

resist, especially if they are dependant on 'prescription' drugs (and

therefore controllable by those who perscribe and dispense said drugs,

eh??).

But that sort of thing is probably beyond the scope of this list, and

I appreciate that things can stay on a more basic level here, i.e.

focusing on healing on a personal level. Still, I don't think it

hurts to be aware that we are outside the box in choosing these

healing methods, and there is some amount of risk, as I am sure Dr.

could testify to.

Annette

>

> > Good call, Kep...

February 21, 2006

There is one in which you speak of, Dr. Hulda herself. She did

all the research you should ever need. There are many case studies in her

books. Read them. She makes no money from people making their own zappers

or from buying them as she doesn't sell anything except books, which she

even allows us to copy from provided we credit her for the information.

This is as unbiased as it gets. So what more do you need to give something

a try? Build your own, it will cost under $50 depending on how you want to

build it. You can do it for as little as $25 if you do the " shoebox " method

Unfortunately, you will never get the studies you are asking for because

no one can make enough money from the millions they will have to spend

testing these theories. They figure that if everyone can just build their

own " cure " , where will the money come from to pay for these tests. Everyone

on this forum has nothing but good to say about these miracle devices. We

are not paid spokespeople. We are good-hearted people seeking to help

ourselves as well as others with these amazing discoveries. Some of us are

more educated than others, but we are all full of valuable information when

it comes to this as we are the guinea pigs in this method of self-health.

We all relay what works and what doesn't to each other. Sometimes we agree,

sometimes we don't. Different people have different ailments and therefore

we all have different treatments. We just don't want to blindly do anything

new and that is why we are here.

At one point, I had trouble with skepticism towards all of this

seemingly " science fiction " stuff, but after everything I've learned here

and elsewhere, I have no doubt in the power we hold over our own health and

how real this " science fiction " stuff really is.

If this is not enough for you, than you are going to miss out on one of

the greatest discoveries in the history of man and you won't be able to

blame anyone but yourself.

If curing yourself of " incurable " and even " terminal " illnesses isn't

enough proof for you.......than you must be in the medical field.

No person is more blind than one that refuses to see.

God Bless,

Ken

-- Re: Re: Are there any valid, unbiased TESTs proving

zapper works?

So big Parma isn't interested. It would still seem that some researcher in

this big world would of tested this by now. In the whole big world of

homeopathic and holistic medicine it would seem that someone has studied it.

I would like more information on the University study if you have as I

would

like to read it.

Thanks

February 22, 2006

Well said, Ken.

For some reason I never felt any resistance to Dr. s stuff. It

just rang sooo true for me from the first encounter I had with someone

who was using her methodology. It made sense out of so much,

medically, that never made sense before, like AIDS for example. And it

explained why so many approaches don't work except as stopgap

methodology.

Perhaps some people are reluctant to believe it works because it is so

inexpensive over all? Perhaps they think " How could it possibly work

when millions haven't been invested in 'making sure'? Glad that

wasn't one of my barriers to good health!

>

> There is one in which you speak of, Dr. Hulda herself.

She did

> all the research you should ever need. There are many case studies

in her

> books. Read them. She makes no money from people making their own

zappers

> or from buying them as she doesn't sell anything except books, which she

> even allows us to copy from provided we credit her for the information.

> This is as unbiased as it gets. So what more do you need to give

something

> a try? Build your own, it will cost under $50 depending on how you

want to

> build it. You can do it for as little as $25 if you do the

" shoebox " method

>

> Unfortunately, you will never get the studies you are asking for

because

> no one can make enough money from the millions they will have to spend

> testing these theories. They figure that if everyone can just build

their

> own " cure " , where will the money come from to pay for these tests.

Everyone

> on this forum has nothing but good to say about these miracle

devices. We

> are not paid spokespeople. We are good-hearted people seeking to help

> ourselves as well as others with these amazing discoveries. Some of

us are

> more educated than others, but we are all full of valuable

information when

> it comes to this as we are the guinea pigs in this method of

self-health.

> We all relay what works and what doesn't to each other. Sometimes

we agree,

> sometimes we don't. Different people have different ailments and

therefore

> we all have different treatments. We just don't want to blindly do

anything

> new and that is why we are here.

> At one point, I had trouble with skepticism towards all of this

> seemingly " science fiction " stuff, but after everything I've learned

here

> and elsewhere, I have no doubt in the power we hold over our own

health and

> how real this " science fiction " stuff really is.

> If this is not enough for you, than you are going to miss out on

one of

> the greatest discoveries in the history of man and you won't be able to

> blame anyone but yourself.

> If curing yourself of " incurable " and even " terminal " illnesses

isn't

> enough proof for you.......than you must be in the medical field.

> No person is more blind than one that refuses to see.

> God Bless,

> Ken

>

> -- Re: Re: Are there any valid, unbiased TESTs proving

> zapper works?

>

> So big Parma isn't interested. It would still seem that some

researcher in

> this big world would of tested this by now. In the whole big world of

> homeopathic and holistic medicine it would seem that someone has

studied it.

>

> I would like more information on the University study if you have as I

> would

> like to read it.

> Thanks

>

February 24, 2006

I have to agree that was a funny question. I have a son with autism and

just about every thing that works has not been researched and studied in

medical journals. All they want to do is to drug my son and in the long run

make him worse! Hulda s methods have done great things for him and our

family. No cure but a lot of help!

Rose

Re: Re: Are there any valid, unbiased TESTs proving

zapper works?

You're joking?

Google " Big Pharma " ....read all you can...then ask

yourself that question again....

The short answer. No, of course not. It's NOT in

" their " interest.

The only study I was aware of the even cam e close was

done by the Univ. of Washington. a few years ago...and

I don't think it was the double blind you're looking

for....

Another problem with questions like these is not

acknowledging the fact that the " testers " are smart

enough to design a " study " to get the result they want

to show...

For me the most egregious example of that was the St.

's " study " from a few years back in which they

tested an amount *already known* to be insufficient to

give relief of major depression...

Of course when they made their press release they

simply didn't mention that little tidbit.

You don't want to waste money? Build your own...

And stop wasting money on biased MDs...at least find

one that asdvertises complimentary medicine...

--- csunbean@... wrote:

> Is there any research online or in a respected

> medical journal anywhere that

> documents in a scientific way with a control group

> and all that the zapper

> works? I have found anecdotal claims but NO research

> on it to back it up. So I

> am still sitting on the fence. I can't afford to

> waste money on another thing

> not backed up by some valid tests.

> Joanie

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

XAN: " I knew. I saw I didn't know what I thought I knew. I gave up knowing

for not knowing with great relief. Through not knowing now I know. "

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