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Aye lass, an' very outdoor.....

current view from the window...black...might be bleak, but can't see

any detail(s)........give it a couple of weeks an' yer won't be

lacking in details, noise, whooshes, bells, whistles, cacophany, can

tell the weather's bin 'avin a bad effect on the local

folk.....'bulance callouts by the score, even 'ad the air ambulance

out one day, landed in the local cemetary......makes a change from

the police 'copter out lookin' fer the 'breakouts' from our

open 'nick'.....

Anon

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> 'astabin looking at mi paintings then Anon?

> ... ride the 'oss in a thunderstorm ....Sheila'd

understand ......Bleak 'ouse etc.

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Crying all the time sounds more like depression than anxiety. An anxiety disorder is when you constantly feel anxious about every little thing. A lot of people with anxiety disorders also suffer from multiple panic attacks etc and a lot of the time social phobia goes hand in hand with it. This is a disorder I've been treated for, for the past 5 years and to be honest, thus far, there is no cure, only management. You would need to show other symptoms over a longer period of time before any Doctor would diagnose you with anxiety and rightly so. You sound depressed and upset at what has happened to your son [This is the exact same reason my own son is now home educated]. You have a reason to be upset, but only time will help this. What is the school doing about the bullying your son is experiencing? In my personal experience, schools tend to bury their heads

in the sand and pretend it isn't happening.Suzanna

Hi,

can anyone recommend anything for anxiety. My son got beaten up at school on Friday by a group of eight boys ....badly enough for him to have to see a doctor. My son has mild autism and just doesn't understand the laws of the playground jungle.We've had a very difficult weekend and now I can't stop crying (and I'm not the crying type). I know if I go to the docs he'll give me anti d's, which I can't take.

Any idea anyone please...... ? ( and should I up my NA ?)

many thanks,

julia

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Totally agree with you. I now suffer from a severe anxiety disorder and social phobia. My son also suffers with anxiety. He was bullied dreadfully for months at a primary school in year 5 and i went to the school daily. Had marks around his throat etc. Nothing was done. I wish I'd pulled him sooner. He also has severe asthma and allergies and gets very upset at any form of confrontation, which is why he was bullied in the first place. He's a very anxious child now but much happier out of school. I also agree that you need to take care that you don't shut yourself away as I did. It just made my condition worse. I think you have every reason to be upset and anxious at the moment. Bullying makes me so angry and schools do little to help parents and children. Suzanna

>Hi Suzanna and ,

I've been there ,with my son.He was eventually diagnosed

with Dyspraxia and Dysgraphia,though it took me 2 years to even have

him seen by a psychologist and then have him tested.I used to get

phone calls every day,from the school and he was excluded a couple of

times.I eventually had to move schools and 2nd one was as bad,even

though they knew of his difficulties. He now attends a special

school.and is returning to a mainstream school.

I used to cry everyday and couldn't discuss it,without breaking

down.I was also a single parent at that time.Even now,due to bullying

not being tackled,he cannot go out on his own,without another child

having a go.We live in a small village,and the kids are able to have

a fair amount of freedom,or should be able to have.Thoughts of how

things were then still has the ability to anger,frustrate, and upset

me.

You are not alone ,with your illness or with your son.I'm

here if you ever want to chat,or things get too much.Suzanna is

probably right that it is a form of depression,but it can become a

social phobia too.Take care,

Val2

]. You have a reason to be upset, but only time will help this. What

is the school doing about the bullying your son is experiencing? In

my personal experience, schools tend to bury their heads in the sand

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na I am coming in late on this thread so forgive me if this

point has already been addressed.

I am wondering if you have had you son tested for adrenal stress? His

allergies could point in that direction and of course the anxiety?

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and social phobia. My son also suffers with anxiety. He was bullied

dreadfully for months at a primary school in year 5 and i went to the

school daily. Had marks around his throat etc. Nothing was done. I wish

I'd pulled him sooner. He also has severe asthma and allergies and gets

very upset at any form of confrontation,  which is why he was bullied

in the first place. He's a very anxious child now but much happier out

of school.

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I know he had a blood test done a long time ago and i know the results were 3000 and normal range is 250. [i think they were looking for the stuff in blood that protects us from whatever] They did say that this is why he is asthmatic and always will be and why he will become allergic to different things in the future. I'll look into the anxiety thing with my son re adrenal, but because I have the disorder and my 26 year old daughter had it ten years ago, I wonder if it's just genetic.Suz

na I am coming in late on this thread so forgive me if this

point has already been addressed.

I am wondering if you have had you son tested for adrenal stress? His

allergies could point in that direction and of course the anxiety?

Mo

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I just posted to Suzanna about this and now realise you were

the original poster of the subject! Sorry.

Sounds like my question applies to more than one person though. Has

your son been tested for his adrenals?

My own son, aged 22 now, was tested last year and found to be in need

of adrenal and thyroid support.

He had symptoms from a very young age that I just did not connect

with adrenals because I knew nothing of this then.

I wish I had known earlier, it could have saved him a lot of grief.

He had insomnia from babyhood, anxieties and sensitivity generally.

Low stamina. Short term memory problems that manifested as

discalculia and dyslexia.

These things do seem to pass down the generations.

Mo

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> thanks for your replies. Have taken Rescue Remedy, teas, breathing

exercises  and everything else that seems sensible, but thank you

for your support, it is very much appreciated. I just wondered if my

stressed adrenals were adding to the problem. The school assure me

that they now have the matter in hand (mmmm ?) Home schooling 

through EO is and has been a definite possibility.I'm just jumping

through the hoops of the system right now as my sons consultant may

be able to get him into a Steiner school following his (lengthy)

assessment, and I've been holding out for that really. Yes I think I

am becoming a little depressed, but I had depression when I was

younger and it's not nearly at that stage yet. Not the best situation

to be trying to sort out my hypo t. My son is only eight by the way.

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I'm a member of education otherwise and i have never looked back! It is a definite option. Does curtail your life though and if your feeling poorly yourself its something to consider carefully. Suz Home schooling through EO is and has been a definite possibility. I'm just jumping

through the hoops of the system right now as my sons consultant may

be able to get him into a Steiner school following his (lengthy)

assessment, and I've been holding out for that really.

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Hi Suz Well the immune system and the adrenals are intimately

connected. Do you know what this was exactly?

What is the disorder exactly? The adrenal thing can be genetic so I

am just wondering if this might lie at the basis of the problem?

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results were 3000 and normal range is 250. [i think they were looking

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become allergic to different things in the future. I'll look into the

anxiety thing with my son re adrenal, but because I have the disorder

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Hi Mo!Mine is called a severe anxiety disorder. I also now have social phobia which can lead on from that. Generally on a day to day basis i have palpitations, tightening of the chest, chest pain, tachychardia, panic attacks, fatigue, pains all over body etc etc. I've lived like this for five years and they say that the disorder is hard treat, if at all. I am going to look into this adrenal thing but paying for a test is out of the question for me. It's given me a lot to think about though. Certainly when given the initial thyroxine 50mg starting dose, exacerbated the condition. I had multiple daily panic attacks over the five days i took that dose for. Chest pain, etc. I also wondered about something that I don't think anyone has mentioned and wonder if it is related to the hypothyroidism. For months now, when i lie in bed at night or even sit

watching tv etc, my legs really hurt all over. Especially when lying in bed. Not just one particular area, but all over. Is this connected and if so will they thyroxine eventually stop that as well?Thanks for any helpSuzannaSuzFrom: Mo Osborne <moosborne@...>Subject: Re: anxietythyroid treatment Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 5:59 PM

Hi Suz Well the immune system and the adrenals are intimately

connected. Do you know what this was exactly?

What is the disorder exactly? The adrenal thing can be genetic so I

am just wondering if this might lie at the basis of the problem?

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results were 3000 and normal range is 250. [i think they were looking

for the stuff in blood that protects us from whatever] They did say

that this is why he is asthmatic and always will be and why he will

become allergic to different things in the future. I'll look into the

anxiety thing with my son re adrenal, but because I have the disorder

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Hi again Suzanna

Doctors give these different labels, I have had some of them myself

in the past. But basically what I found is that anxiety is invariably

related to the adrenals. I suspect a lot of these titles are made up

so they can market a drug for the 'condition'. They did that with

Seroxat for 'social phobia'.

I know how hard it is to find the money for a test and maybe you

would want to check the adrenal questionnaire and Dr Rind's site

first. It would be money well spend if your initial researches lead

you to believe a test is worthwhile.

Your leg pain could be fibromyalgia and if it is then this is

connected with hypoT.

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Hi Suzanna,

Well I tried to cut my armour by 1/4 grain a short while ago (just to see whether I was over replaced as the endo had mentioned the possibility & to watch out for it). I cut this 1/4 grain just for 12 days & by the end I was fatigued at times, my legs were very painful in the way you have said, and I noticed waves of alight depression sweeping over me while having any exercise such as walking or playing golf - things I normally enjoy. Also I could not sleep as I was too achy all over, too tired, & cold too. I replaced the 1/4 grain ( & now the endo is very happy that we both know I am not over replaced) and all these symptoms have gone. I would say when you are properly replaced in everything you are short of (including hc or similar if required) then all your symptoms will also go. I must also say that if I try to increase 1/4 grain from my sweet spot that I also get symptoms and am unable to sleep, so it is extremely important in my opinion to not increase too fast & I would say never by more than 1/4 grain after you get up to 1 grain (but then I am perhaps more sensitive than some) and also I would not increase more than once a month/6 weeks. I am on a mixture of thyroxine & armour and feel better for increasing my thyroxine to 50mcg from 25mcg which puts the FT4 at almost mid-range, and my FT3 towards the top of the range but not at the top.

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I also wondered about something that I don't think anyone has mentioned and wonder if it is related to the hypothyroidism. For months now, when i lie in bed at night or even sit watching tv etc, my legs really hurt all over. Especially when lying in bed. Not just one particular area, but all over. Is this connected and if so will they thyroxine eventually stop that as well?Thanks for any helpSuzanna

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Hi Val!I'm only on thyroxine starting dose of 25mg because the higher starting dose affected my anxiety but hopefully as my dosage is increased a lot of my symptoms including the leg pain will go. I'm like you and have insomnia. It might be the leg pain keeping me awake. I have never felt the cold in the way some describe. My problem at night is feeling to hot. I have no idea what armour is etc. Is it something I need or do I just try the thyroxine first?Suzlerieforster56@...> wrote:

Well I tried to cut my armour by 1/4 grain a short while ago (just to see whether I was over replaced as the endo had mentioned the possibility & to watch out for it).

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Hi Suz

You might need adrenal support so that your thyroxine can be

fully absorbed. If you have low adrenal fatigue, this will stop your mainly

inactive hormone T4 from converting into T3 and your T4 will be swimming around

in your blood with nowhere really to go and thus, causing a toxic effect. Once

adrenals have been boosted, this stops, and your thyroxine suddenly starts to

work as it should. Do you take your thyroxine at night when you go to bed, this

way, it works much better than taking it during the day for many.

Go to our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk

and click on 'Hypothyroidism' on the Home Page and then click on 'Treatments'

and you can read all about natural desiccated porcine thyroid extract (Armour

Thyroid,USP) there.

Luv - Sheila

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HI Suz,

It is another thyroid, but one which is obtained from the thyroid gland of pigs (I know yuk!) but because of this it contains T3 as well as T4 (thyroxine is T4 only) & the other Ts. Some people do better on it as they do not get enough T3 by just taking thyroxine. For some things the body prefers to convert freshly made T3 from T4, but for others just a supply of T3 is required.

I have tried to say this simply so hope this does not sound too confusing.

Val

I have no idea what armour is etc. Is it something I need or do I just try the thyroxine first?Suz

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lol I think i understand. Thanks Val!!Suz

I have tried to say this simply so hope this does not sound too confusing.

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Hi Sheila!No, I was told by the GP to take it first thing in the morning with a full glass of water.Suz. Do you take your thyroxine at night when you go to bed, this

way, it works much better than taking it during the day for many.

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Well, perhaps the GP is not yet aware that a small study

has been done which shows people do better taking it night. They sleep better

and feel better throughout the day because it is better absorbed overnight.

Give it a try - there are many members here who will reassure you about this.

Luv - Sheila

No, I was told by the GP to take it first thing in the morning with a full

glass of water.

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when you go to bed, this way, it works much better than taking it during the

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Thanks Sheila, I'll try it tonight! :)Suz

Well, perhaps the GP is not yet aware that a small study

has been done which shows people do better taking it night. They sleep better

and feel better throughout the day because it is better absorbed overnight.

Give it a try - there are many members here who will reassure you about this. Luv - Sheila

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Does anybody know if the full glass of water makes any difference? I

have been taking mine with just a mouthfull of water in the bottom of

a small glass. My GP did not state what time of day to take my

thyroxine but it says on the packet 'take ONE tablet in the MORNING.

kj

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Hi kj

You don't need a full glass of water to take your levothyroxine

tablet, you only need the amount you need to swallow it. I am aware that it

says take one tablet in the morning on the Patient Information Leaflet (PIL) but

they may not yet have got around to even being aware that studies have been

done to show taking it at night actually does work better. Have a look at these

links http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/117998170/abstract?CRETRY=1 & SRETRY=0

and http://thyroid.about.com/od/thyroiddrugstreatments/a/bedtime.htm

We have to keep abreast with what is going on, and I am sure

there will be many of our members telling you how much better they feel taking

their thyroxine at night. Sadly, our doctors know little about hypothyroidism -

that's why Internet Thyroid Forums have so many members.

Luv - Sheila

Does anybody know if the full glass of water

makes any difference? I

have been taking mine with just a mouthfull of water in the bottom of

a small glass. My GP did not state what time of day to take my

thyroxine but it says on the packet 'take ONE tablet in the MORNING.

kj

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The purpose of that recommendation is to insure your stomach is really

completely empty. The presence of anything other than water, alas, even

coffee, will prevent absorption of T4. However, if you are careful to

avoid bedtime snacks and eat early enough, bedtime should still allow

for the same level of absorption. I doubt that evening administration

will make a difference for T4 only medication, but Armour or T3 could

change the blood levels during sleep.

BTW, T3 absorption is mostly unaffected by food, which, means if you

take Armour with food, much less of the T4 will be absorbed, turning it

into a high T3 source. That may be why some people take very high doses

with food. They like the nearly pure T3 effects.

The glass of water just moves the medication more quickly to the small

intestine, which is where most of the absorption takes place. I doubt

that the exact amount of water makes that much difference, as long as

enough time is allowed.

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HI Chuck

The evening administration of levothyroxine is the one they did

the small study on and it apparently it does make a lot of difference according

to those who are taking it before going to bed. T4 has apparently a better

absorption taking it at night and many people have need to actually reduce

their dosage according to individual reports. Armour has made a big difference

to my husband and me - each needing to decrease by one grain since we started

taking it at bedtime.

Sheila

The purpose of that recommendation is to insure your stomach is really

completely empty. The presence of anything other than water, alas, even

coffee, will prevent absorption of T4. However, if you are careful to

avoid bedtime snacks and eat early enough, bedtime should still allow

for the same level of absorption. I doubt that evening administration

will make a difference for T4 only medication, but Armour or T3 could

change the blood levels during sleep.

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Hi Chuck:

How long before taking thyroxine should I last eat? (sorry, can't

sort grammar well here)

I take my T4 at night, but often eat relatively late, I know I sleep

better if I eat by 7pm, but often schedules do not permit.

What interval shoud be my max - and what on earth should I do the

nights I fall into bed within 1/2 hour of eating?

Regards,

Kat

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I too, did EO til my children were 8 and 10, and the 10 year old asked

to go to High School, and I sent them both to the tiny priamry school

down the road that was nearly the same as EO.

I would have liked to have carried on, I worked a bit wit a friend and

she kept it up all through the " school " life of all her children.

It was good fun, gave them a good start in life - they are successful

members of the community now.

(This is a bit off topic...)

regards

Kat

I too, did EO til my children were 8 and 10, and the 10 year old asked

to go to High School, > I'm a member of education otherwise and i have

never looked back! It is a definite option. Does curtail your life

though and if your feeling poorly yourself its something to consider

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