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welcome...i know i can always use another person to talk to that knows and understands where i'm coming from...have a wonderful day...MTNCAT

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- Marcie, This is Dena. I think I can help you to understand the

different diseases.. You probably know that Rhumatoid Arthritis (RA)

can be a very destructive and painful form of arthritis. It closely

resembles PA but people with RA will test positive for the Rhumatoid

Factor. If you have a negative Rhu Factor but your symptons are

consistent with those of RA you may have Sero-Negative RA. In the

case of PA(Psoriatic Arthritis) you will almost always test negative

for the Rhu-Factor and along with your painful joints and terrible

stiffness you usually have or have had Psoriasis. P is Psoriasis red

flaking scales or several other types of rash but the patient does

not have the pain and stiffness. The general consensus is that you

develop P because your cells are multiplying much faster than the

dead skin cells are naturally shed. People have always told me that I

react exceedingly to all situations (good or bad) and so whenever I

have to explain my condition to someone who is clueless to Auto-

Immune illness I just tell them that my Immune system is just keeping

up with the rest of me and overeacting. Do you ever wish people

would stop asking you how you are feeling. I know they mean well BUT

I'm so sick of saying " I'm fine " when I almost always feel like CRAP.

Well that was definately a VENT for me! Felt Great -I just wish I had

the Guts to tell people the truth. Have a happy day!! Dena-- In

@y..., " Marcie Gruenewald " <jerry_marcie@h...>

wrote:

> Hi all, Marcie here. I saw my rheumy yesterday and it is somewhat

> official-I was told I have PA. Boy, I had lots of questions for

him but

> they all went out the window when I was there, geesh where is that

list when

> I need it! Anyway, I have been wait listed for good ol' Enbrel.

What do

> you think my insurance will think about paying for 2 people to be

on that!!!

>

> Some of the questions I have are-what is the differences between

RA,

> sero-negative RA and besides the P, PA?

>

> Right now I am on Celebrex, Plaquenil (1 month now) and back on

Prednisone

> (10 mg/day for now). What an amazing drug-yesterday I couldn't

type because

> of the pain and inflammation in my rt wrist and today after 3 doses

of

> prednisone, it is amazing how much movement I have back! Too bad

about the

> side effects...

>

> Well, that's about it for now. The boys need put to bed and there

is always

> things to be done before I can go there!

>

> Take care everyone,

>

> Marcie

> wife to Jerry (the reason I joined this list!), dx w/PA 8 months

ago on

> Enbrel since December and doing wonderful-no other meds!

>

> _________________________________________________________________

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In a message dated 5/13/01 8:57:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

puttinpugs@... writes:

> Do you ever wish people

> would stop asking you how you are feeling. I know they mean well BUT

>

SINCE I GO TO A PYSCH FOR MY DEPRESSION I JUST ANSWER THAT " STILL NUTS! " AND

THAT ALLEVIATES ANY NEED TO GO FURTHER WITH THE EXPLANATIONS BECAUSE I DO GET

TIRED OF PEOPLE ASKING HOW I FEEL. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SEE ME WALKING SO

SLOW OR TRYING SO HARD TO GET UP OUT OF MY CHAIR OR SEE ME RESTING AGAINST A

WALL HALFWAY THROUGH THE HALLWAY JUST TO CATCH MY BREATH OR JUST PLAIN UNABLE

TO FUNCTION CORRECTLY. THE ONLY PART OF HAVING THIS NON FUNCTIONAL DISEASE IS

THAT WHEN I SEE SOMEBODY ELSE WHO IS HAVING TROUBLE I NO LONGER ASK THEM IF

THEY ARE OKAY - I JUST ASK THEM WHAT I CAN DO TO HELP THEM. I THINK THAT

HELPS BOTH OF US.

PAIN FREE WISHES

CHICAGOLAND SHARON

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Hi Marcie;

I understand completely about the Prednisone. It is amazing to be able to

walk around like 'normal' people. I was only on it for a month, but it was

heaven.

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Hi Betty! Welcome to the group. I have a 12 y/o son with

OCD. You'll find this is a very supportive group with a wide variety

of OCD behaviors involved. Lots of good advice and experiences

here. I'm still new to OCD too, my son was diagnosed a year ago.

His OCD seems to be related to " just right " feelings and to

keep " something bad from happening. "

I was wondering about the weight loss where you said he had some

eating disorder and did his own shopping, cooking, etc. Is any of

that due to contamination fears, sort of like his feeling towards his

sister? Does he primarily eat only at home? Have you said anything

to him like casually " you lose some weight? " but not making a big

deal out of it to see what he says?

Well, like I said above, there's lots of parents here with years of

OCD experience and knowledge and this is also a great place to vent

on bad days! Again, welcome!!

- single mom to (12) with OCD and dysgraphia; (12-twin)

with separation anxiety according to me; Randall (16) -

-

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Hi Betty,

You sure have dealt with some real trying circumstances. Sounds like

your son stays in his room alot. In my experience that can compound

whatever symptoms that exist. I had a sister who retreated to her

room during and after highschool, and she developed eating disorders.

It really concerns me when my 13 yr old spends too much time alone.

Good that your son is working though! I hope the list will be helpful

to you, I am still feeling my way through my 2 daughter's anxiety

disorders, and have gottem lots of help here.

Welcome!

Grace

@y..., bonkers123@e... wrote:

> Hello everyone!

>

> I'll try to give a condensed version of our story because it

started

> several years ago. I wish I had known about this group then. My

son

> is now 18 and the problems started when he hit puberty. He had

> always had some quirks as a child but nothing that interfered with

> living. His particular problem is that he thinks that if he sees

his

> sister (who is now 16) or touches anything she has ever touched,

> that he will die. He was in therapy for a couple of years and

tried

> many medications but now there is none of that. After a session,

he

> was very upset and refused to go back and the doctor seemed to lose

> interest. I think he may have been pushed too far that time and

the

> doctor's ego let him go because he couldn't get through to him.

The

> meds only helped to the extent that they reduced the panic attacks

> - there were many holes made in the walls during that time. The

> panic attacks seemed to have ceased and he hated taking medication

> so he won't take them now.

>

> So we live in a house where two people living in it haven't seen

each

> other in about 5 years - and their bedrooms are next to each other.

> My daughter had a glimpse of him the other day - she said " He wears

> glasses?? " . Things like that make me see how strange our lives are

> and we have been doing it so long, it almost seems " normal " .

>

> About the time he was first refusing therapy or medications, my

> husband started having some physical problems and ended up having

his

> leg amputated. Since the panic attacks had stopped and there was

> this new crisis to deal with, we let the therapy and med issues

slide.

> I should mention that my husband has always been a non-

confrontational

> type of person so it was always difficult for him to stick to

limits

> set for my son, but since his surgery, it has been impossible. My

> son has used this to his advantage, but no more so than any other

kid

> would.

>

> The thing that has motivated me to start looking for info and

support

> again is now he is losing weight. There has always been a mention

of

> some vague eating disorder but it was secondary to the other

problems

> so we pretty much let him control his food - he has a fridge and

> microwave in his room and has done his own shopping for years.

> I think he's getting pickier and pickier about what he eats and is

> just not eating enough. He started working at ups a few months ago

> (we had been worried he wouldn't be able to find something he was

> willing to do) and I know those guys work very hard so a little

> weight loss is to be expected but as his mom, he just doesn't look

> right to me. I think he's bringing much less food into the house.

> This week he also started classes at a local college so there are

> many positives here and I don't want to upset that. The changes

have

> probably triggered whatever is causing the weight loss.

>

> So that's the basics of our story. Thanks for listening.

>

> Betty

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Betty,

Welcome to the group! Wow, you have really been through it. I am

always in awe of those of you who have been dealing with OCD for such

a long time and are still alive to tell about it. Your tenacity and

patience is to be aplauded. I am the mom of a 15 yo who was

officially diagnosed about a year ago, but whose onset was gradual at

around 13 yo. He suffers with hyperresponsibility (form of

scrupulosity) as well as an eating disorder. He works out

compulsivly and although he eats pretty well, does not eat enough to

support his activity level. I was particularly concerned when I read

of your son's possible eating disorder. You are right, many of the

new activities may be contributing to his weight loss. However, I

would keep an eye on things. I think we really began to realize

had an eating problem when he had so little energy and his

face got so thin. It was like this was the last place he could lose

weight. 's ED revolves around his decision to " eat healthy " .

He eats very little fat, sugar or high calerie food (he will eat

meat and we are pretty big on pasta). It would be a perfect diet for

a 80 yo man with hardening of the arteries. Do you think your

son's " picky " eating revolves around avoidance of " non-healthy " foods

or avoidance of " contaminated food " ?

I know that now that your son is 18, it will be very difficult for

you to do anything if he is not willing. Heaven knows, it's hard

enough with a 15 yo! Thanks for posting and keep us posted on how

things are going. This is a great support group...at times, my only

sanity.

Melinda S.

Dallas

> Hello everyone!

>

> I'll try to give a condensed version of our story because it

started

> several years ago. I wish I had known about this group then. My

son

> is now 18 and the problems started when he hit puberty. He had

> always had some quirks as a child but nothing that interfered with

> living. His particular problem is that he thinks that if he sees

his

> sister (who is now 16) or touches anything she has ever touched,

> that he will die. He was in therapy for a couple of years and

tried

> many medications but now there is none of that. After a session,

he

> was very upset and refused to go back and the doctor seemed to lose

> interest. I think he may have been pushed too far that time and

the

> doctor's ego let him go because he couldn't get through to him.

The

> meds only helped to the extent that they reduced the panic attacks

> - there were many holes made in the walls during that time. The

> panic attacks seemed to have ceased and he hated taking medication

> so he won't take them now.

>

> So we live in a house where two people living in it haven't seen

each

> other in about 5 years - and their bedrooms are next to each other.

> My daughter had a glimpse of him the other day - she said " He wears

> glasses?? " . Things like that make me see how strange our lives are

> and we have been doing it so long, it almost seems " normal " .

>

> About the time he was first refusing therapy or medications, my

> husband started having some physical problems and ended up having

his

> leg amputated. Since the panic attacks had stopped and there was

> this new crisis to deal with, we let the therapy and med issues

slide.

> I should mention that my husband has always been a non-

confrontational

> type of person so it was always difficult for him to stick to

limits

> set for my son, but since his surgery, it has been impossible. My

> son has used this to his advantage, but no more so than any other

kid

> would.

>

> The thing that has motivated me to start looking for info and

support

> again is now he is losing weight. There has always been a mention

of

> some vague eating disorder but it was secondary to the other

problems

> so we pretty much let him control his food - he has a fridge and

> microwave in his room and has done his own shopping for years.

> I think he's getting pickier and pickier about what he eats and is

> just not eating enough. He started working at ups a few months ago

> (we had been worried he wouldn't be able to find something he was

> willing to do) and I know those guys work very hard so a little

> weight loss is to be expected but as his mom, he just doesn't look

> right to me. I think he's bringing much less food into the house.

> This week he also started classes at a local college so there are

> many positives here and I don't want to upset that. The changes

have

> probably triggered whatever is causing the weight loss.

>

> So that's the basics of our story. Thanks for listening.

>

> Betty

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His particular problem is that he thinks that if he sees his

> sister (who is now 16) or touches anything she has ever touched,

> that he will die.

Hi Betty!

Welcome to the group! My youngest son, (10), also has the

classic 'contamination' fears, mostly about germs and getting sick,

and DEATH in general. He's far too young to be carrying so much

weight around on his shoulders. I tried to take some of that off for

him by reassuring him CONSTANTLY, but that only fed the fear and made

it stronger. It's been a long, hard road. 's OCD started when

he was only 5. It was heartbreaking for me because his fears were

stealing his childhood.

He's having a good week this week and even got a great report from

his teacher who said, " is definitely succeeding in the

mainstream environment. " Music to my ears!!! Over the summer, I

had another DIFFICULT decision to make-- keep him mainstreamed, or

put him in a 'self-contained' classroom. I opted for mainstreamed

AGAINST everyone's advise (the therapist, the teacher, the spec. ed

teacher, etc). Even my husband was in favor of taking him out of the

regular 4th grade classroom. I stood my ground. So far, it's

working, but who knows what NEXT week will bring!

Anyway-- sorry to ramble on and on about MY life. I don't have any

advise as far as the eating disorder. But, I do know how frustrating

it can be to have a teenager who refuses medication. My middle son,

, 18 (with ADHD+mild OCD) also refuses meds.

How does your daughter HANDLE the idea that her brother thinks she'll

contaminate him? How is her self-esteem?? In some ways, I'm more

concerned about those that have to LIVE with an OCDer than the actual

person with OCD. My son has been NO PICNIC to live with, and

he's only 10.

You'll find lots of support here. This group of fan-tablous people

have been worth their weight in GOLD!!! Stick around, ok? ;)

Joni

Mom of (20), (18) and (10)

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Just tell your family your youngest child has all the shots he needs (none)

It's none of their business, if he becomes autistic from the vax, are they

going to pay the thousands, hundreds of thousands, for his therapy??

at least you wised up with your second child, all mine were vaxed to the hilt.

mom to 9 year old autistic boy normal up to the vax

At 08:02 PM 11/7/01 -0600, you wrote:

>Hello-

>

>Thought I'd post an intro so if I ever chime in on a conversation you won't

>wonder who I am!

>

>I'm a SAHM to two boys. With my first son, I was still stuck in a 'main

>stream' line of thinking. I felt informed because I refused an epidural

>during labor, didn't circ, refused vaccs in the hospital, and breastfed!! I

>unfortunately did allow my son to be almost fully vaccinated during his

>first year, he hasn't been vaccinated since he was 10 months old, and he is

>4 1/2 now.

>

>Odin has always been an extremely healthy kid, but I still feel awful for

>having vaccinated him without really looking into it. The first time I took

>him to get his shots, I cried longer and harder than he did. I rember the

>nurse telling me that " All the good mom's cry " , and thinking that the whole

>thing just felt so wrong. If only I'd listend to my 'gut'. My Grandpa is a

>doctor, and my Dad was an Army medic. I grew up in a western medicine

>worshiping family that ran to the doctor for drugs every time someone

>sneezed! It took a lot for me to question that way of thinking... just wish

>I'd done it BEFORE my oldest had to pay the price for my ignorance.

>

>My only sense of comfort with him is that he was completely breastfed and

>nursed until he was 2 1/2,... so I hope that helped his body to combat the

>vaccines some.

>

>By the time I had my second son, I had wised up.

>

>Magnus was born at home, has never been vaccinated... for that matter...he's

>never been to a well baby check up (what a silly concept). He's my super

>healthy nature baby!! LOL!! Seriously though, he's 15 months and has never

>been sick.

>

>My husband and I have both caught grief from our families for not

>vaccinating our kids (amongst other things kid related).

>

>I've found that the best arguments lie in facts, so I am here to learn both

>for myself, and to help educate my family.

>

>I look forward to hearing what all of you have to share!

>

>Liz

>

>

>

>

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Hi Liz! Welcome! I love this group so much because I

meet like-minded people, and not just about vax

issues! I am a SAHM to two lovely children aged 3 and

5 (almost 6 - where does the time go?) I have caught

flack from family and friends (but mostly family)

since before my first was born - for everything from

not circumcising to family bed to extended

breastfeeding (my son was over 4 when he weaned) and

of course including not vaccinating. My mother is a

nurse and thinks that Western medicine is just the

cat's pajamas and I am of course putting my children

at great risk, blah blah blah ad nauseum. Yes, it

helps to be informed, to know the numbers, to have the

names, but I have found that over the years of touting

numbers and sending articles that they still just

think I'm a quack. I can live with that, if it means

my children are safe. My son had a reaction to an

early vaccine - I was erroneously and maliciously told

that no ped in my county would see my child in his/her

office unvaccinated (along with a barrage of other,

non-complimentary comments on what kind of parent I

must be). My mother was visiting at the time and I

actually had to ask her to leave my house! My

daughter has NEVER been vaccinated, although she has

had many adverse affects from anticonvulsant drugs

given without my consent during ER trips (she had a

stroke at 10 months and both children have seizure

episodes of " unknown origin " - so much for Western

Med, huh?) Keep up what you know is best for your

children - the way I figure it my mother got to do

what she thought was right with her children, now it's

time for me to do what I know is right for mine. I

will do it with or without her support, but it would

be easier with it. Hope the info from this list is

helpful for you!

a in MA

--- Liz <sandoz@...> wrote:

> Hello-

>

> Thought I'd post an intro so if I ever chime in on a

> conversation you won't wonder who I am!

>

> I'm a SAHM to two boys. With my first son, I was

> still stuck in a 'main stream' line of thinking. I

> felt informed because I refused an epidural during

> labor, didn't circ, refused vaccs in the hospital,

> and breastfed!! I unfortunately did allow my son to

> be almost fully vaccinated during his first year, he

> hasn't been vaccinated since he was 10 months old,

> and he is 4 1/2 now.

>

> Odin has always been an extremely healthy kid, but I

> still feel awful for having vaccinated him without

> really looking into it. The first time I took him to

> get his shots, I cried longer and harder than he

> did. I rember the nurse telling me that " All the

> good mom's cry " , and thinking that the whole thing

> just felt so wrong. If only I'd listend to my 'gut'.

> My Grandpa is a doctor, and my Dad was an Army

> medic. I grew up in a western medicine worshiping

> family that ran to the doctor for drugs every time

> someone sneezed! It took a lot for me to question

> that way of thinking... just wish I'd done it BEFORE

> my oldest had to pay the price for my ignorance.

>

> My only sense of comfort with him is that he was

> completely breastfed and nursed until he was 2

> 1/2,... so I hope that helped his body to combat the

> vaccines some.

>

> By the time I had my second son, I had wised up.

>

> Magnus was born at home, has never been

> vaccinated... for that matter...he's never been to a

> well baby check up (what a silly concept). He's my

> super healthy nature baby!! LOL!! Seriously though,

> he's 15 months and has never been sick.

>

> My husband and I have both caught grief from our

> families for not vaccinating our kids (amongst other

> things kid related).

>

> I've found that the best arguments lie in facts, so

> I am here to learn both for myself, and to help

> educate my family.

>

> I look forward to hearing what all of you have to

> share!

>

> Liz

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Welcome LIz!

Sheri

At 08:02 PM 11/07/2001 -0600, you wrote:

>Hello-

>

>Thought I'd post an intro so if I ever chime in on a conversation you

won't wonder who I am!

>

>I'm a SAHM to two boys. With my first son, I was still stuck in a 'main

stream' line of thinking. I felt informed because I refused an epidural

during labor, didn't circ, refused vaccs in the hospital, and breastfed!! I

unfortunately did allow my son to be almost fully vaccinated during his

first year, he hasn't been vaccinated since he was 10 months old, and he is

4 1/2 now.

>

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Welcome to the group. Shoes are the key. Look back in the archives. This

group suggested Ryka tennis shoes. That made all the difference in the

world to me. I'm sure a nurse could wear those to work. I looked a little

silly as a teacher in dresses with tennis shoes, but everyone was very

supportive. I have also been able to wear several brands of clogs: ph

Seibel, , and Birkenstocks.

You can also look in the archives for every medication that could possibly

come up with your rhuemy. I have found that to be a wonderful resource. It

alerted me to many side effects or complications that were never mentioned

in the literature or by my dr.

Good luck.

Kansas

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Can you tell me how to get to the archives? while I play on the net a lot,

the are new ground to me. I wear sneaker's all the time. I only

wear rockports at this point, as they are the most confortable. I long ago

gave up worrying about whether they went with my clothing <G>

I worked as a school nurse and luckily could wear pretty much what I wanted

the last few years that I was able to work. I'm legally blind now, so I'm

not able to work anymore, though that seems to be from the MS rather than

anything else. I couldn't work now anyhow. NO energy at all.

Thanks for pointing me to archives. Just tell me how to get there, please.

thanks

RE: [ ] my intro

> Welcome to the group. Shoes are the key. Look back in the archives. This

> group suggested Ryka tennis shoes. That made all the difference in the

> world to me. I'm sure a nurse could wear those to work. I looked a

little

> silly as a teacher in dresses with tennis shoes, but everyone was very

> supportive. I have also been able to wear several brands of clogs: ph

> Seibel, , and Birkenstocks.

>

> You can also look in the archives for every medication that could possibly

> come up with your rhuemy. I have found that to be a wonderful resource.

It

> alerted me to many side effects or complications that were never mentioned

> in the literature or by my dr.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Kansas

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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karen wood wrote:

>

> Can you tell me how to get to the archives?

In case you haven't had a response to this yet, here's where to go:

/?yguid=66921026

Now, that link presupposes that you've already signed in with your

name and ID, but it should at least point you in the right direction.

The above link will display a page that has a place where you can type

in what you want to search the archives; it also displays a sort of

calendar that, if you click on a given month, will pull up all the posts

that were posted that month.

Hope this helps.

--Louise

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Thanks . I have been reading a lot in the archives. Right now at work

I'm wearing anywheres clogs, which are very comfortable to me. One thing

that is nice is that I can kick them off when I'm sitting for a few minutes

to rest my feet. I haven't found any tennis shoes I can wear because most

of them don't have enough toe room, so I haven't worn tennis shoes for the

past several years. It sounds like I should check out these Ryka shoes

though.

I've also been reading about all the meds in the archives because if my

rheumatologist recommends something, I want to know about it before I agree

to try it. I'm going to see him on Feb. 4th. I work in a hospital, so I

have access to quite a bit of medical literature-- drug books etc, which is

helpful as well. My other plans include getting a health club membership

so I can start swimming and starting yoga classes too if I can afford it.

I've been considering getting the book Healing Psoriasis: The Natural

Alternative by Dr. Pagano, but he sounds so cocky in all of the excerpts

I've read. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I've enjoyed reading all the profiles on the webpage for this group. I'd

like to add a picture of my foot if possible.

Thanks group for all your experience and useful tips and information!

Ella of Minnesota

on 1/20/02 10:45 AM, Costello at costello@... wrote:

> Welcome to the group. Shoes are the key. Look back in the archives. This

> group suggested Ryka tennis shoes. That made all the difference in the

> world to me. I'm sure a nurse could wear those to work. I looked a little

> silly as a teacher in dresses with tennis shoes, but everyone was very

> supportive. I have also been able to wear several brands of clogs: ph

> Seibel, , and Birkenstocks.

>

> You can also look in the archives for every medication that could possibly

> come up with your rhuemy. I have found that to be a wonderful resource. It

> alerted me to many side effects or complications that were never mentioned

> in the literature or by my dr.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Kansas

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Thanks

I found them. I also found my old account sign in and password. I've

not used it in years....probably since started out.

Re: [ ] my intro

>

>

> karen wood wrote:

> >

> > Can you tell me how to get to the archives?

>

> In case you haven't had a response to this yet, here's where to go:

>

> /?yguid=66921026

>

>

> Now, that link presupposes that you've already signed in with your

> name and ID, but it should at least point you in the right direction.

> The above link will display a page that has a place where you can type

> in what you want to search the archives; it also displays a sort of

> calendar that, if you click on a given month, will pull up all the posts

> that were posted that month.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> --Louise

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 9/10/02 7:11:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

fitnessfriends@... writes:

> I had tried it before

> and it worked but I didn't stick to it. This time I'm

I do not USE the foodmover daily BUT use it as a tool. So dont go with if

you dont close windows daily not sticking with it. A good way is a journal

which is good for not just writing down food but feelings to figure triggers

that make you eat.

NH

Mommy to Abby Liz 10-25-94

Mommy to Anne 7-1-99

START 6/1/02

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At 07:26 PM 11/18/2002 EST, you wrote:

>Hi everyone! Thanks for letting me join your list. Here's a little info

>about me. I was a paramedic and emergency room R.N. for 15 years, now a

>stay-at-home mom raising 2 boys, ages 15 and 10. I've probably give

>thousands of shots in my career. I have been reading tons of info on the

>net over the past few months about the vaccine issue. I am totally

convinced

>now that vaccines are harmful and it makes me furious what we are doing to

>our children. The funny thing is that when my 10-year-old was a baby, I

>opted out of several vaccines for him based on nothing more than a gut

>feeling at the time, including the Hep. B series, HiB, and varicella

>vaccines. However he did got the others.

Good intuition

>

>My son was homeschooled for kindergarten and 1st grade and has been in a few

>different schools since then, so the school nurse this year has just caught

>up to the fact that he is " behind " on a few shots. I have already filed a

>philosophical exemption for the Hep. B series, but he is still supposed to

>get his last Td and IPV. I would like to sign the exemption for these, too,

>but the school nurse wrote in a letter to me, " I don't recommend it. " I'm

>not sure what she meant by that, but the tone of the statment concerns me.

She hasn't a clue

Read my webpages and follow the links on these vaccines

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

>

>To complicate things, my husband is a Nurse Practitioner who as we speak is

>vaccinating hundreds of people in the county where he works with the flu

>vaccine. He thinks all anti-immunization people are nuts. He already got

>his flu shot and tells me every day that the kids and I should get one, too.

Oh goddddddddddddddddd

>

>My 15-year-old son always had a terrible reaction to the DPT vaccines as a

>baby, and it makes me wonder now whether some of his problems like trouble

>sleeping and concentrating could be traced back to those vaccines.

>

Very likely.

You will learn a lot aobut homeopathic treatment on this list and I would

find a quality classical homeopath to help undo the damage

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

>When I read things like the fact that the number of " madatory " vaccines for

>infants increased from 8 to 20 in the 1990's and that the doctor who was in

>charge of the American Academy of Pediatrics has now decided that maybe this

>increase (which he was responsible for), wasn't such a good idea, it makes

me

>furious. I want to stand on top of mountain and shout to every parent in

the

>land to wake up.

>

>I have a niece who is pregnant with a baby due in March. I am trying to

>figure out how to talk to her and her mom (my sister) about this issue as

>well. Maybe I can make a difference in one baby's life.

It is one baby, one family at a time.

>

>Anyway, that's why I'm here. I'm looking forward to hearing from all of you.

>

Start with my webpages

and the intro section to begin with

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/bookstor.htm#vaccine

for books The Vaccine Guide

& Vaccines: Are they Really Safe & Effective are good ones to give her

Then read

http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

http://www.vaccinationnews.com

You have to read and read and leave them around for your husband

It sickens me......

Thanks for sharing from your heart though and welcome

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Homeopathy course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

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Hi Becca,

Thanks for joining this group and having opened your mind to this issue.

You and all the other medical professionals who are able to do that are

really a gift to us. As more and more do so, our chance of turning

things around greatly improves.

Can you please point me in the direction where you read about the former

head of the AAP? (You wrote: " When I read things like the fact that the

number of " madatory " vaccines for infants increased from 8 to 20 in the

1990's and that the doctor who was in charge of the American Academy of

Pediatrics has now decided that maybe this increase (which he was

responsible for), wasn't such a good idea, it makes me furious. I want

to stand on top of mountain and shout to every parent in the land to

wake up. " ) I seem to have missed this or have forgotten about it.

Thanks for any help you can give.

Sandy

Sandy Mintz

http://www.vaccinationnews.com

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/past_scandals.htm

" Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. " - Philpot Curran

(1808)

http://www.whale.to

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

http://www.909shot.com

http://www.redflagsweekly.com

http://home.san.rr.com/via/

http://www.vaccine-info.com

http://healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED

HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED

AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO

BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE

AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR

HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT THIS EMAIL HAS BEEN FORWARDED IN NO WAY

NECESSARILY IMPLIES ENDORSEMENT OF THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE AUTHOR OR

AUTHORS OF THE ARTICLE OR EMAIL.

My intro

Hi everyone! Thanks for letting me join your list. Here's a little

info

about me. I was a paramedic and emergency room R.N. for 15 years, now a

stay-at-home mom raising 2 boys, ages 15 and 10. I've probably give

thousands of shots in my career. I have been reading tons of info on

the

net over the past few months about the vaccine issue. I am totally

convinced

now that vaccines are harmful and it makes me furious what we are doing

to

our children. The funny thing is that when my 10-year-old was a baby, I

opted out of several vaccines for him based on nothing more than a gut

feeling at the time, including the Hep. B series, HiB, and varicella

vaccines. However he did got the others.

My son was homeschooled for kindergarten and 1st grade and has been in a

few

different schools since then, so the school nurse this year has just

caught

up to the fact that he is " behind " on a few shots. I have already filed

a

philosophical exemption for the Hep. B series, but he is still supposed

to

get his last Td and IPV. I would like to sign the exemption for these,

too,

but the school nurse wrote in a letter to me, " I don't recommend it. "

I'm

not sure what she meant by that, but the tone of the statment concerns

me.

To complicate things, my husband is a Nurse Practitioner who as we speak

is

vaccinating hundreds of people in the county where he works with the flu

vaccine. He thinks all anti-immunization people are nuts. He already

got

his flu shot and tells me every day that the kids and I should get one,

too.

My 15-year-old son always had a terrible reaction to the DPT vaccines as

a

baby, and it makes me wonder now whether some of his problems like

trouble

sleeping and concentrating could be traced back to those vaccines.

When I read things like the fact that the number of " madatory " vaccines

for

infants increased from 8 to 20 in the 1990's and that the doctor who was

in

charge of the American Academy of Pediatrics has now decided that maybe

this

increase (which he was responsible for), wasn't such a good idea, it

makes me

furious. I want to stand on top of mountain and shout to every parent

in the

land to wake up.

I have a niece who is pregnant with a baby due in March. I am trying to

figure out how to talk to her and her mom (my sister) about this issue

as

well. Maybe I can make a difference in one baby's life.

Anyway, that's why I'm here. I'm looking forward to hearing from all of

you.

Sincerely,

Becca

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At 02:46 AM 12/13/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi! My name is Amy, I'm a SAHM to Drew 6-24-99. He had a reaction

>to a newborn shot of Hep B, and we have selectively vaxed since

>then. We are due to have a new baby in March. I have some questions

>on certain topics, but I will mostly just be reading all of the info

>on this list. I have limited online time, so reading is about all I

>can do. Thanks for all the info!

>~Amy O

>

>

Welcome

It requires reading, reading, reading until you are comfortable. Remember

you can't take them out once they are in!

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Homeopathy course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

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Maybe this is not the program for you. Maybe you need to go to the Doctor and get one peace Pat

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----- Original Message -----

From: " " <kokobreen@...>

>OK! I joined the list because I have 100 pounds to lose and just started

doing 's FoodMover. I've never posted as I'm not quite sure what to

say. But I do read all the messages daily.

Welcome!

>I weigh 212, am 5'4 " , 32, single mom.

Make sure to pick a realistic goal weight. Losing 100 pounds might be a bit

much.

>My problem is that I am absolutely starved. I am so starved I have

headaches and cannot think I'm so hungry. I'm doing the 1600 calorie sheet.

Go up to the 2000 cal card and see how you feel. I promise that the

starving feeling will go away. Your body just isn't used to having its

calories limited. Try reducing your sugar intake. I find that when I'm

doing good on Sugar Busters that I don't get that starving feeling as much.

Ann

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Go to the doctor and get what?

Re: My Intro

Maybe this is not the program for you. Maybe you need to go to the Doctor and get one peace Pat To unsubscribe DO NOT send a message to the list.Please click on this link and unsubscribe:100-plus/join

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