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hey all, im keri and i am having my surgery on the 27th too. i will be flighting in on the 26th from Florida. i will see you there. your banding buddy- keri toni perritt <tperritt1@...> wrote: Hey Camilla, I'm new to. I will be having my surgery on the 27th too. I guess I'll see you then. ToniKelli <psichikel@...> wrote: Nice to hear from you Camilla....we look forward to having you on the board. If you have any questions feel free to ask any of us, majority of us have had the surgery. Take Care! Welcome Aboard!!Kelli>> Hi all, My name is Camilla and I will be having my band done on April > 27th. I'm nervous and excited. I want to thank you all as you were > a big part of my decision. you'll be hearing from me after surgery. > Thanks and Best Regards to you all, Camilla ( Washington)225/145>

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Thank-you so much.... I've connected with Keli and Toni who are also having surgery on the 27th. What great support to be able to connect before hand. Best, Camilla

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Thanks Kelli, I've been able to connect with Keli and Toni who are also having surgery on the 27th. You have all given me great courage! Best, Camilla

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Hope all goes well on the 27th for you all!!!! 3 more bandsters on their way to great losses!! Dana

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Thanks Kelli, I've been able to connect with Keli and Toni who are also having surgery on the 27th. You have all given me great courage! Best, Camilla

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Hey Keri, I am flying in on the 27th and I am having my surgery on the 28th. Hope I get to talk to you. Tonikeri uresti <keriuresti@...> wrote: hey all, im keri and i am having my surgery on the 27th too. i will be flighting in on the 26th from Florida. i will see you there. your banding buddy- keri toni perritt <tperritt1@...> wrote: Hey Camilla, I'm new to. I will be having my surgery on the 27th too. I guess I'll see you then. ToniKelli <psichikel@...> wrote: Nice to hear from you Camilla....we look forward to having you on the board. If you have any questions feel free to ask any of us, majority of us have had the surgery. Take Care! Welcome Aboard!!Kelli>> Hi all, My name is Camilla and I will be having my band done on April > 27th. I'm nervous and excited. I want to thank you all as you were > a big part of my decision. you'll be hearing from me after surgery. > Thanks

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Jeri,

Until the doctor completes the tests try not to take milk thistle,

it will cause incorrect lab results. Tell the doctor EVERYTHING you

are taking and how much.

Milk thistle has been used for thousands of years for liver disease

symptoms. (It may even save the life of someone who eats wild

mushrooms and gets the wrong one). It will also prevent the liver

from producing some enzymes required for elimination of some toxins,

drugs included which could lead to unknown side effects or overdoses.

Most people with hepatitis C will die with it, not from it. A good

diet low in fats and red meat will help the liver. And if you find

that you do have an active infection....NO alcohol!!

Check out the Links on this site and LeighAnn's website:

http://www.geocities.com/1Leighann/.

Glenn

>

> I just found out I have hep c. I have my 1st doctor appoint

today. I started taking milkthistle yesterday. I'm afraid I'm going

to go to the doctor and he will prescribe a lot of unnecessary (?)

pills. I just want to be informed. I prefer to do things as

naturally as possible. I have taken herbs and supplements for a

number of years rather than resort to prescription meds. Its always

worked for me until now. I got my 'natural' health books out and

every one of them said I need to see a doctor. I feel good and

considered my self healthy until now. I'm a bit scared.

plaserville6@...

>

> Jeri

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Glenn you sound very knowledge about HepC, I am not a candidate for

treatment because of a depression. In 2000 diagnoised with Chronic Hepatits C.

I had a viral count of 1 million. I had a liver biospy it was grade 1, stage 2.

I only felt tired. I got it in 1987,from a transfusion lately I have gotten the

rash on my chest and back, my sister tell me my back is full of spider veins. I

had a headache since January, at first I thought it was neuraglia, but it hasn't

gone away I have been taking Indocin, the Dr. gave me Lycria, but I thought I

was going blind. So back on the Indocin. My mouth is bleeding, and I have had

two serious nose bleeds. I read on one site this could be from HepC, I think I

am going into another stage of HepC. I never got my gneone type and my Dr. said

it wasn't necessary because I was't taking treatment. My blood pressure is good,

not as low as it was before my hysterotomy. It was very high for a while when I

was taking Vioxx. Now its 125

over 68 and I am sixty three. I don't expect to live forever, but these

nosebleeds were really bad, last one lastest 12 hours. I am right is the HepC

just getting worse. Since we move down to North Carolina, my health insurance

doesn't cover labs, or Doctor. The hospital is covered. I don't want to put

myself thru new test if this is just a natural continuation of the Disease. .

hdhepper1 <grisley4@...> wrote: Jeri,

Until the doctor completes the tests try not to take milk thistle,

it will cause incorrect lab results. Tell the doctor EVERYTHING you

are taking and how much.

Milk thistle has been used for thousands of years for liver disease

symptoms. (It may even save the life of someone who eats wild

mushrooms and gets the wrong one). It will also prevent the liver

from producing some enzymes required for elimination of some toxins,

drugs included which could lead to unknown side effects or overdoses.

Most people with hepatitis C will die with it, not from it. A good

diet low in fats and red meat will help the liver. And if you find

that you do have an active infection....NO alcohol!!

Check out the Links on this site and LeighAnn's website:

http://www.geocities.com/1Leighann/.

Glenn

>

> I just found out I have hep c. I have my 1st doctor appoint

today. I started taking milkthistle yesterday. I'm afraid I'm going

to go to the doctor and he will prescribe a lot of unnecessary (?)

pills. I just want to be informed. I prefer to do things as

naturally as possible. I have taken herbs and supplements for a

number of years rather than resort to prescription meds. Its always

worked for me until now. I got my 'natural' health books out and

every one of them said I need to see a doctor. I feel good and

considered my self healthy until now. I'm a bit scared.

plaserville6@...

>

> Jeri

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe in drs but I don't think this guy can

predict your death. I'd see another dr, one who

understands your approach to this disease. Sounds

like he's trying to scare you into treatment. I went

through treatment successfully but if your biopsy is

good, you should still have time to make that decision

without this guys help. Good luck ans welcome.

Sharon

--- ladyelin <ladyelin@...> wrote:

> Hi folks: I'm new. My viral is now 90 million.

> But my liver hasn't

> been attacked yet according to the biopsy and

> ultrasound. I'm getting

> scared though, because while I felt so good for so

> long, I'm so tired

> again. And anytime someone around me is sick, I get

> very sick. I've

> been going to a naturopath who's course is to

> protect the liver not

> attack the viral load. So far so good, but my old

> doctor said with

> this count, if it finds a way to my liver, I'll be

> dead in two years.

> I'm not one who thinks doctors are gods. That's why

> I've done

> accupuncture, naturopath, ect. But sometimes,

> sometimes I get scared.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

wow, vonita, that is really a lot to deal with. this is a really great

support group and i am glad you found us. hang in there. marsha

[Guest guest]

It's been my experience that most doctors have a low opinion of "alternative" medicine, I don't think they like to admit there is an alternative to their way. They have not been able to correlate viral load to alt/ast counts to liver damage. It varies so much from one person to another, it seems to me that most of the advice I've heard centers around the liver biopsy, as the best evidence. -dz- I believe in drs but I don't think this guy canpredict your death. I'd see another dr, one whounderstands your approach to this disease. Soundslike he's trying to scare you into treatment. I wentthrough treatment successfully but if your biopsy isgood, you should still have time to make that decisionwithout this guys help. Good luck ans

welcome. Sharon--- ladyelin <ladyelin@...> wrote:> Hi folks: I'm new. My viral is now 90 million. > But my liver hasn't > been attacked yet according to the biopsy and> ultrasound. I'm getting > scared though, because while I felt so good for so> long, I'm so tired > again. And anytime someone around me is sick, I get> very sick. I've > been going to a naturopath who's course is to> protect the liver not > attack the viral load. So far so good, but my old> doctor said with > this count, if it finds a way to my liver, I'll be> dead in two years. > I'm not one who thinks doctors are gods. That's why> I've done > accupuncture, naturopath, ect. But sometimes,> sometimes I get scared.> >

> > __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Welcome to the heterochromia group. Your son is a cutie!

It looks like there is some color difference between his eyes. If you

haven't already, it wouldn't be a bad idea to take him to an eye

doctor, just to rule out any problems. Most of the people in this

group (including me) have heterochromia with no associated problems.

>

> Hi Everyone,

> My name is jessica and i have a 3 year old son named isaiah. I have

> noticed the difference in eyes for awhile but just figured it was my

> imagination until I started asking my family memebers to look at his

> eyes and see if he really had different color eyes or not. i have

> posted some pictures in the album section under isaiahs eyes. Can

you

> guys please have a look and let me know if it is just me or if he

does

> have heterochromia. His left eye is greener than the right eye the

> right eye to me looks a bit bluer. It would mean alot to me. Thanks.

i

> hope to hear from all of you soon.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello , And Everyone Else :-)Your Lil One is very cute!! I have a 3 month old Son with one gray eye and one brown eye. I was waiting to see if they might change but was told to get things checked out with an opthamologist. We have an appointment in a couple of weeks. I am sure there is nothing though as my Grandfather had one green eye and one blue eye so I believe, at least in this case, there is a genetic link.Anyway, the difference in your Son's eyes is subtle, as in my son Eli's case. I bet you can see it very clearly with more light. As I am, it is never a bad idea to have things looked at...also agreeing with .Sincerely,littlel77 <lcountee@...> wrote: Hi , Welcome to the heterochromia group. Your son is a cutie!

It looks like there is some color difference between his eyes. If you haven't already, it wouldn't be a bad idea to take him to an eye doctor, just to rule out any problems. Most of the people in this group (including me) have heterochromia with no associated problems. > > Hi Everyone, > My name is jessica and i have a 3 year old son named isaiah. I have > noticed the difference in eyes for awhile but just figured it was my > imagination until I started asking my family memebers to look at his > eyes and see if he really had different color eyes or not. i have > posted some pictures in the album section under isaiahs eyes. Can you > guys please have a look and let me know if it is just me or if he does > have heterochromia. His left eye is greener than the right eye the

> right eye to me looks a bit bluer. It would mean alot to me. Thanks. i > hope to hear from all of you soon. > >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your help. I was going to tell the

pediatrician at his next check up next month to see if

she can refer me to an opthamologist you now how

insurance companies are. But thanks i do appreciate

your help. I will keep posting as i find out more. I

read that heterochormia is inherited or cause by

trauma or syndrome/disease. Well as of my knowledge no

one has had heterochromia and there was no trauma and

no signs or symptoms of disease so it does have me a

bit worried. Thanks again for replying.

--- littlel77 <lcountee@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Welcome to the heterochromia group. Your son is a

> cutie!

>

> It looks like there is some color difference between

> his eyes. If you

> haven't already, it wouldn't be a bad idea to take

> him to an eye

> doctor, just to rule out any problems. Most of the

> people in this

> group (including me) have heterochromia with no

> associated problems.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> > My name is jessica and i have a 3 year old son

> named isaiah. I have

> > noticed the difference in eyes for awhile but just

> figured it was my

> > imagination until I started asking my family

> memebers to look at his

> > eyes and see if he really had different color eyes

> or not. i have

> > posted some pictures in the album section under

> isaiahs eyes. Can

> you

> > guys please have a look and let me know if it is

> just me or if he

> does

> > have heterochromia. His left eye is greener than

> the right eye the

> > right eye to me looks a bit bluer. It would mean

> alot to me. Thanks.

> i

> > hope to hear from all of you soon.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

hi, !sure he has different colored eyes, but i am not sure if this is depending on heterochromia. may u should ask ur doctor about this. i for myself would mean that heterochromia would shows itselfs in clear parted different colors and not even same color but different kind.also it seems that the colors of isaiah's eyes looks different in different light conditions. anyway he is a very cute boy! congratulation for "creating" him! ;-)yoursPierre-André <jessymarie4981@...> schrieb: Hi Everyone, My name is jessica and i have a 3 year old son named isaiah. I have noticed the difference in eyes for awhile but just figured it was my imagination until I started asking my family memebers to look at his eyes and see if he really had different color eyes or not. i have

posted some pictures in the album section under isaiahs eyes. Can you guys please have a look and let me know if it is just me or if he does have heterochromia. His left eye is greener than the right eye the right eye to me looks a bit bluer. It would mean alot to me. Thanks. i hope to hear from all of you soon.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Pierre,

Thanks for your reply. I do appreciate the replies i

am getting. I will definately talk to the pediatrician

regarding his eye color to either rule out

heterochromia or rule in. Its nice to see some very

unique people in this group. You all have very

beautiful eyes. thanks again for your reply.

--- Pierre-André hentzien <piah1964@...> wrote:

> hi, !

>

> sure he has different colored eyes, but i am not

> sure if this is depending on heterochromia. may u

> should ask ur doctor about this. i for myself would

> mean that heterochromia would shows itselfs in clear

> parted different colors and not even same color but

> different kind.

> also it seems that the colors of isaiah's eyes looks

> different in different light conditions.

> anyway he is a very cute boy! congratulation for

> " creating " him! ;-)

>

> yours

> Pierre-André

>

>

> <jessymarie4981@...> schrieb: Hi

> Everyone,

> My name is jessica and i have a 3 year old son

> named isaiah. I have

> noticed the difference in eyes for awhile but just

> figured it was my

> imagination until I started asking my family

> memebers to look at his

> eyes and see if he really had different color eyes

> or not. i have

> posted some pictures in the album section under

> isaiahs eyes. Can you

> guys please have a look and let me know if it is

> just me or if he does

> have heterochromia. His left eye is greener than

> the right eye the

> right eye to me looks a bit bluer. It would mean

> alot to me. Thanks. i

> hope to hear from all of you soon.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe you meant to say that fat has 100 calories per TEASPOON, not

tablespoon. One of my concerns, as I am gaining weight.

Luv

Denver, CO

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[Guest guest]

According to FitDay:

1 Tablespoon of Coconut Oil = 117.23 Calories (total fat 11.76g)

1 Tablespoon of Butter = 101.81 Calories (total fat 11.52g)

1 Tablespoon of Olive Oil = 119.34 Calories (total fat 13.5g)

I don't count calories. I only count my ratio of fat : protein : carbs. I'm

losing weight, the more fat I consume the better for me. I'm 65kgs now and want

to get down to 50kg so I can fit back into my skinny clothes! LOL

Hope this helps.

Jen )

[ ] Re: new

I believe you meant to say that fat has 100 calories per TEASPOON, not

tablespoon. One of my concerns, as I am gaining weight.

Luv

Denver, CO

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>

==>Hi . Welcome to our group.

> I believe you meant to say that fat has 100 calories per TEASPOON,

not tablespoon. One of my concerns, as I am gaining weight.

==>Contrary to popular belief " good " saturated fats like coconut oil,

butter, lard, etc. will not make you gain weight my friend. Man-made

fats and oils, and carbs will. Read my article " How to Successfully

Overcome Candida " to understand the truth about fats.

The best in health,

Bee

[Guest guest]

--- Wiggins <grammylaura59@...> wrote:

> I believe you meant to say that fat has 100 calories

> per TEASPOON, not tablespoon. One of my concerns,

> as I am gaining weight.

> Luv

>

> Denver, CO

No, it is 100 calories per tablespoon, not teaspoon.

I've been losing weight great on this program.. 93

pounds so far.

If you are gaining and need to lose, I'd be happy to

work with you on some calorie/carb/protein/fat ratios

that would help you lose as well as cure your candida.

Feel free to email me privately as I'll need to ask

you some questions to help work out the numbers. If

your calories are too low then you will be going into

starvation mode.. too high and you will put on weight.

If your ratios aren't good you can gain too. The

biggest factor for gaining weight on this program is

to over-do the protein.

If you stick with the lowest carb veggies those are

rarely the issue.. but too much protein or too little

protein, too much/not enough calories and a few other

foods can make extremely sensitive individuals like us

gain weight. I've had to kind of work with my own

body to figure out what it wants. Lots of

experimenting.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Today is the most important day.

[Guest guest]

I can say there are MANY people here that can relate to you on MANY levels (such as....CA RN.....long term sobriety.....blown away when notified about a positive test......Can't remember what you ate, but you DO know you didn't drink.....level was "WAY high over 1,000" (and by the way, that's not "way high"!)......and you KNOW there's a problem with this test, the question is, what is the problem? Welcome aboard, and feel free to ask questions, vent, and share info!

>> Hi guys, > > I have read through all of the posts, very interesting. My story? I > have been clean/sober 7.5 years, finishing probation with CA board of > nursing, and just got the call today that I had a positive for alcohol > EtG. I was blown away! First of all, the test was back in March...3 > months later here I am trying to remember what I ate...then I was told > my result was 1400, WAY too high for incidental ingestion. I am at my > wits end...I KNOW I did not drink, so I KNOW that this test has > issues....Just wanted to get it off my chest....very frustrated here!>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing your story and welcome to the group....your story is

not different from any of ours in that we did NOT drink and have been

totally blown away by the positive results...even being aware of

incidental use and being careful of what we ate. Some very important

issues here...NO ONE knows that 1400 is 'too high' for incidental

use....esp.when just recently they have found that inhalants actually

casue HIGHER levels of Etg then injestion! Depending on how

concentrated your urine was...the level could be quite lower if

normalized to creatinine level. We have been here over 2 years working

on resolving these issues. Lorie has posted the e-mail address of a

reporter in a previous post who is doing an article on Etg...please

send your story to him...anything may help! We understand how you

feel, believe me....we went through ALL the feelings! Did you have any

consequences or pending consequences over this? Hang in there...this

is a great place for support and ways to sort out solutions!

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I have read through all of the posts, very interesting. My story? I

> have been clean/sober 7.5 years, finishing probation with CA board of

> nursing, and just got the call today that I had a positive for

alcohol

> EtG. I was blown away! First of all, the test was back in March...3

> months later here I am trying to remember what I ate...then I was

told

> my result was 1400, WAY too high for incidental ingestion. I am at my

> wits end...I KNOW I did not drink, so I KNOW that this test has

> issues....Just wanted to get it off my chest....very frustrated here!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Niles, Welcome aboard our little life raft. Glad to meet you but so sorry for the reason why. I, too, am a CA RN (N. California), clean 3 1/2 yrs, etoh never an issue. I have had 6 + EtG's for no explainable reason, all in a period from end 4/05 to early 9/05. Levels were from 260-960. It has been a hellish nitemare. The most significant change I have made is to discontinue taking Tylenol in any quantity; I was using @ 3900 mg/day for several mos before & during the + EtG's. I am a maniacal label reader & obnoxiously curious customer or guest when eating out or @ a party, etc re: food preparation & ingredients & my food intake is relatively limited to certain things. Those of us on the site for awhile have developed theories

& practices re: avoidance of etoh in ANY form as best we can determine it's presence. Since it is ubiquitous & we are not clairvoyant it leaves room for chance & error; hence, innocent positive EtG results occur. The ridiculousness of the mission of the BRN re: 'protecting the public' in light of the 3 month delay in reporting your + result to you is something I cannot wrap my brain around. That goes for a lot of others, too. And for you, trying to reflect back on what you might have eaten containing some form of etoh is likely futile @ best. Be aware that EtG levels are not meant to be extrapolated back to dose, so 1400 is certainly not too high to be indicative of unintentional exposure & the # itself really means nothing other than there was exposure somehow.

Cleaning/cosmetic/hygiene products in large part contain etoh among other things; there is thinking that inhalation & skin absorption can create + EtG's. It's NOT just ingestion & unfortunately the probation monitors & case mgrs for Diversion (my program) & the BRN itself are not well educated @ EtG so their understanding is hazy & often inaccurate. If you would like to email me privately, please feel free to do so @ the email address attached to this. I would love to know what part of CA you are in. Hang with us; we're a good group fighting for a common cause---exoneration! Marshanilesclay <nilesclay@...> wrote: Hi guys, I have read through all of the posts, very interesting. My story? I have been clean/sober 7.5 years, finishing probation with CA board of nursing, and just got the call today that I had a positive for alcohol EtG. I was blown away! First of all, the test was back in March...3 months later here I am trying to remember what I ate...then I was told my result was 1400, WAY too high for incidental ingestion. I am at my wits end...I KNOW I did not drink, so I KNOW that this test has issues....Just wanted to get it off my chest....very frustrated here! __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

And as I read this I am sickened and have tears in my eyes for you! I know the fellings that you are experiencing and do not wish this nightmare upon anyone. Don't dwell on what you did or might have done, you are doing everything that you should be doing, not drinking beverage alcohol! Please respond to the reporter from the w\Wall Street journal and tell him your story. Califonia and Pennsylvania seem to be the only states that misuse this test and this will be the only way to make it known.

We are with you!! Re: New

Hi Niles,

Welcome aboard our little life raft. Glad to meet you but so sorry for the reason why.

I, too, am a CA RN (N. California), clean 3 1/2 yrs, etoh never an issue. I have had 6 + EtG's for no explainable reason, all in a period from end 4/05 to early 9/05. Levels were from 260-960. It has been a hellish nitemare. The most significant change I have made is to discontinue taking Tylenol in any quantity; I was using @ 3900 mg/day for several mos before & during the + EtG's. I am a maniacal label reader & obnoxiously curious customer or guest when eating out or @ a party, etc re: food preparation & ingredients & my food intake is relatively limited to certain things. Those of us on the site for awhile have developed theories & practices re: avoidance of etoh in ANY form as best we can determine it's presence. Since it is ubiquitous & we are not clairvoyant it leaves room for chance & error; hence, innocent positive EtG results occur.

The ridiculousness of the mission of the BRN re: 'protecting the public' in light of the 3 month delay in reporting your + result to you is something I cannot wrap my brain around. That goes for a lot of others, too. And for you, trying to reflect back on what you might have eaten containing some form of etoh is likely futile @ best. Be aware that EtG levels are not meant to be extrapolated back to dose, so 1400 is certainly not too high to be indicative of unintentional exposure & the # itself really means nothing other than there was exposure somehow. Cleaning/cosmetic/hygiene products in large part contain etoh among other things; there is thinking that inhalation & skin absorption can create + EtG's. It's NOT just ingestion & unfortunately the probation monitors & case mgrs for Diversion (my program) & the BRN itself are not well educated @ EtG so their understanding is hazy & often inaccurate.

If you would like to email me privately, please feel free to do so @ the email address attached to this. I would love to know what part of CA you are in.

Hang with us; we're a good group fighting for a common cause---exoneration!

Marshanilesclay <nilesclay@...> wrote:

Hi guys, I have read through all of the posts, very interesting. My story? I have been clean/sober 7.5 years, finishing probation with CA board of nursing, and just got the call today that I had a positive for alcohol EtG. I was blown away! First of all, the test was back in March...3 months later here I am trying to remember what I ate...then I was told my result was 1400, WAY too high for incidental ingestion. I am at my wits end...I KNOW I did not drink, so I KNOW that this test has issues....Just wanted to get it off my chest....very frustrated here!

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

thanks for the welcome....so far, no consequences from the positive

test. I had to inform my employer, she called my probation monitor,

i had to submit a letter from my sponsor (who I work with every

day), get a letter from my nurse support group leader. I don't know

what the final outcome will be. I am meeting with my probation

monitor on 06/28. We will see....I did contact the journalist prior

to writing to this list...anything I can do, I am there and

willing. thanks, Jenn

> >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I have read through all of the posts, very interesting. My

story? I

> > have been clean/sober 7.5 years, finishing probation with CA

board of

> > nursing, and just got the call today that I had a positive for

> alcohol

> > EtG. I was blown away! First of all, the test was back in

March...3

> > months later here I am trying to remember what I ate...then I

was

> told

> > my result was 1400, WAY too high for incidental ingestion. I am

at my

> > wits end...I KNOW I did not drink, so I KNOW that this test has

> > issues....Just wanted to get it off my chest....very frustrated

here!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Marsha...well, I was actually booted from the diversion program

after three successful years, there was a personal conflict between

one of the dec monitors and myself. When I was released, I was told

it was for failure to derive benefit, when asked what that meant, I

was told they didn't have to explain, and that if I wanted to join

diversion in the future I could. Well, forget that. I continued to

work, stayed clean, and waited for probation to roll around. Now, 7

1/2 years into this, I am still being hassled, even though I do

participate in recovery/12 step program, compliant with probation,

etc. This whole thing just blows me away. Does anyone know if an

Albuterol inhaler can cause a false positive. I do remember having

to use my inhaler more often in March than any other time, and

wonder if that can have any impact? Again, thanks Marsha, I am sure

we will be in touch! Jenn-

-- In Ethylglucuronide-EtG , Marsha Dienelt

<marshadienelt@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Niles,

> Welcome aboard our little life raft. Glad to meet you but so

sorry for the reason why.

> I, too, am a CA RN (N. California), clean 3 1/2 yrs, etoh never

an issue. I have had 6 + EtG's for no explainable reason, all in a

period from end 4/05 to early 9/05. Levels were from 260-960. It

has been a hellish nitemare. The most significant change I have

made is to discontinue taking Tylenol in any quantity; I was using

@ 3900 mg/day for several mos before & during the + EtG's. I am a

maniacal label reader & obnoxiously curious customer or guest when

eating out or @ a party, etc re: food preparation & ingredients & my

food intake is relatively limited to certain things. Those of us on

the site for awhile have developed theories & practices re:

avoidance of etoh in ANY form as best we can determine it's

presence. Since it is ubiquitous & we are not clairvoyant it

leaves room for chance & error; hence, innocent positive EtG results

occur.

> The ridiculousness of the mission of the BRN re: 'protecting the

public' in light of the 3 month delay in reporting your + result to

you is something I cannot wrap my brain around. That goes for a lot

of others, too. And for you, trying to reflect back on what you

might have eaten containing some form of etoh is likely futile @

best. Be aware that EtG levels are not meant to be extrapolated

back to dose, so 1400 is certainly not too high to be indicative of

unintentional exposure & the # itself really means nothing other

than there was exposure somehow. Cleaning/cosmetic/hygiene

products in large part contain etoh among other things; there is

thinking that inhalation & skin absorption can create + EtG's. It's

NOT just ingestion & unfortunately the probation monitors & case

mgrs for Diversion (my program) & the BRN itself are not well

educated @ EtG so their understanding is hazy & often inaccurate.

> If you would like to email me privately, please feel free to do

so @ the email address attached to this. I would love to know what

part of CA you are in.

> Hang with us; we're a good group fighting for a common cause---

exoneration!

> Marsha

> nilesclay <nilesclay@...> wrote:

> Hi guys,

>

> I have read through all of the posts, very interesting. My story?

I

> have been clean/sober 7.5 years, finishing probation with CA board

of

> nursing, and just got the call today that I had a positive for

alcohol

> EtG. I was blown away! First of all, the test was back in

March...3

> months later here I am trying to remember what I ate...then I was

told

> my result was 1400, WAY too high for incidental ingestion. I am at

my

> wits end...I KNOW I did not drink, so I KNOW that this test has

> issues....Just wanted to get it off my chest....very frustrated

here!

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