New

[Guest guest]

Dear Kim,

As to how much, below is an excerpt from an article which has helped

me. Hope you find it useful too. But I agree with Frederick. The best

is to listen to what your body tells you and you have to give it time.

On the other hand, alongside with taking VCO, perhaps you would like

to address your stomach issues by working on a healthy diet and/or

looking into other relevant areas such as stress management as well ...

In any case, best of luck!

Fanny-Min:)

PS One tsp coconut oil contains 2.007g Lauric Acid according to:

<http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/>

**************

From: COCONUT OIL AND YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM by MARY ENIG

<http://www.artsandopinion.com/2005_v4_n4/coconut-enig.htm>

HOW MUCH LAURIC ACID IS NEEDED?

It is not known exactly how much food made with lauric oils is needed

in order to have a protective level of lauric acid in the diet.

Infants probably consume between 0.3 and 1 gram per kilogram of body

weight if they are fed human milk or an enriched infant formula that

contains coconut oil. This amount appears to have always been

protective. Adults could probably benefit from the consumption of 10

to 20 grams of lauric acid per day. Growing children probably need

about the same amounts as adults.

The per capita daily intake (1985) of lauric acid countries in such as

the Philippines, Indonesia, and Sri Lanka, and consuming countries

such as Singapore, was approximately 4.3 grams. In India, intake of

lauric acid from coconut oil in the coconut growing areas (Kerala)

ranges from about 12 to 20 grams per day whereas the average for the

rest of the country is less than half a gram.

**************

>

> I just bought some Concunt oil (specturm) at the health store and was

> wondering how much to take?? I think I have problems with yeast along

> with many stomach issues. How much do I start with and when can I see a

> benefit??

> Thanks,

> Kim

>

[Guest guest]

>

> How much of my fat intake can I get from applying oil topically. I

> lotion everyday with grapeseed oil because I can not digest fats.

==>Everyone digests the kind of " " good " fats I recommend. That is

because most of them, like coconut oil and butter, do not require

hydrochloric acid in the stomach, nor any digestive enzymes from the

pancreas, nor bile for them to be absorbed and utilized. They go

directly from the digestive system into the lymphatic system and then

into the blood.

==>Grapeseed oil is a very bad oil to have, even in lotions! Please

read the section on oils and fats in my article " How to Successfully

Overcome Candida " ;

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2_8.php

Instead, apply " good " coconut oil to your skin. See the coconut oil

articles; http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu3_3_2.php

Also these " good " oils and fats require other nutrients in order to

be properly utilized in the body (they are still absorbed easily even

if they cannot be utilized), i.e. omega-3, oil soluble vitamins, A,

D, & E, protein, minerals, etc. That's why my diet plus supplements

work together providing all of the nutrients the body requires in

order to build up your immune system.

Bee

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > I apologize for not being around for the past 10 days or so. I

have

> > been fighting my 3rd round of Pneumonia this year. I have been

> > hospitalize twice since December, and trying to avoid going back

in.

> > I would like to let all of you who requested prayers, that even

> > though I didn't post it, I prayed it for you. Welcome to all new

> > memebers, I think you will find a wonderful, caring and warm

group of

> > people here. I know I have, for I still owe so much to members

like

> > Beckie, Barb, Roseanne and everyone else for being there for me.

> >

> > Here's a short Bio- I was married for 22 years (my 1st husband

passed

> > away)and we raised two terrific Sons. They are both married and I

> > have a 2 year old Granddaughter, 1 year old Grandson, a 2nd new

> > Grandson due to be born in the next week and a 4th Grandchild due

> > Labor Day. I was raised in a big Irish, Catholic family with 3

> > brothers, 1 sister and 2 wonderful parents, who are still with

us. My

> > sister is my best friend, my Mother, who went through a Masectomy

and

> > Chemo this year is my Hero. As you can see I have so many

blessings

> > to be thankful for in my life, not to mention my new friends from

> > this group.

> >

> > But, life is life and we all have our problems to deal with,

which

> > leads me to where I am now with this Divorce. After, being single

for

> > 7 years, I married a man who I thought was kind, honest, caring

and

> > all the things I was looking for in a man. However, he has been

in

> > sales for over 40 years and I guess he's pretty good, because he

sold

> > me on being someone he's not. I won't go into negative details,

for

> > it's not healthly for any of us. I know God has a reason and

purpose

> > for what's happening in my life right now, and as I have given it

to

> > him and try not to get angry or take it back, somedays are hard,

> > especially, when I feel so much physical pain.

> >

> > Everyday is a blessing and as I start feeling healthier, I know I

> > will also feel stronger. I have the wonderful advice from Beckie,

> > (that was a God send) that I plan to pursue and I know Spring is

just

> > around the corner, which makes everyone feel better.

> >

> > Thank you all again for being there and I thank God for finding

you.

> > Everyone, please take care and my thoughts and prayers are with

us

> > all!

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > I apologize for not being around for the past 10 days or so. I

> have

> > > been fighting my 3rd round of Pneumonia this year. I have been

> > > hospitalize twice since December, and trying to avoid going

back

> in.

> > > I would like to let all of you who requested prayers, that even

> > > though I didn't post it, I prayed it for you. Welcome to all

new

> > > memebers, I think you will find a wonderful, caring and warm

> group of

> > > people here. I know I have, for I still owe so much to members

> like

> > > Beckie, Barb, Roseanne and everyone else for being there for

me.

> > >

> > > Here's a short Bio- I was married for 22 years (my 1st husband

> passed

> > > away)and we raised two terrific Sons. They are both married and

I

> > > have a 2 year old Granddaughter, 1 year old Grandson, a 2nd new

> > > Grandson due to be born in the next week and a 4th Grandchild

due

> > > Labor Day. I was raised in a big Irish, Catholic family with 3

> > > brothers, 1 sister and 2 wonderful parents, who are still with

> us. My

> > > sister is my best friend, my Mother, who went through a

Masectomy

> and

> > > Chemo this year is my Hero. As you can see I have so many

> blessings

> > > to be thankful for in my life, not to mention my new friends

from

> > > this group.

> > >

> > > But, life is life and we all have our problems to deal with,

> which

> > > leads me to where I am now with this Divorce. After, being

single

> for

> > > 7 years, I married a man who I thought was kind, honest, caring

> and

> > > all the things I was looking for in a man. However, he has been

> in

> > > sales for over 40 years and I guess he's pretty good, because

he

> sold

> > > me on being someone he's not. I won't go into negative details,

> for

> > > it's not healthly for any of us. I know God has a reason and

> purpose

> > > for what's happening in my life right now, and as I have given

it

> to

> > > him and try not to get angry or take it back, somedays are

hard,

> > > especially, when I feel so much physical pain.

> > >

> > > Everyday is a blessing and as I start feeling healthier, I know

I

> > > will also feel stronger. I have the wonderful advice from

Beckie,

> > > (that was a God send) that I plan to pursue and I know Spring

is

> just

> > > around the corner, which makes everyone feel better.

> > >

> > > Thank you all again for being there and I thank God for finding

> you.

> > > Everyone, please take care and my thoughts and prayers are with

> us

> > > all!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Support is the one thing I have plenty of--other than pain, LOL.

I hope the divorce process is not too miserable.

Barbara

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > I apologize for not being around for the past 10 days or so. I

> have

> > > been fighting my 3rd round of Pneumonia this year. I have been

> > > hospitalize twice since December, and trying to avoid going back

> in.

> > > I would like to let all of you who requested prayers, that even

> > > though I didn't post it, I prayed it for you. Welcome to all new

> > > memebers, I think you will find a wonderful, caring and warm

> group of

> > > people here. I know I have, for I still owe so much to members

> like

> > > Beckie, Barb, Roseanne and everyone else for being there for me.

> > >

> > > Here's a short Bio- I was married for 22 years (my 1st husband

> passed

> > > away)and we raised two terrific Sons. They are both married and I

> > > have a 2 year old Granddaughter, 1 year old Grandson, a 2nd new

> > > Grandson due to be born in the next week and a 4th Grandchild due

> > > Labor Day. I was raised in a big Irish, Catholic family with 3

> > > brothers, 1 sister and 2 wonderful parents, who are still with

> us. My

> > > sister is my best friend, my Mother, who went through a Masectomy

> and

> > > Chemo this year is my Hero. As you can see I have so many

> blessings

> > > to be thankful for in my life, not to mention my new friends from

> > > this group.

> > >

> > > But, life is life and we all have our problems to deal with,

> which

> > > leads me to where I am now with this Divorce. After, being single

> for

> > > 7 years, I married a man who I thought was kind, honest, caring

> and

> > > all the things I was looking for in a man. However, he has been

> in

> > > sales for over 40 years and I guess he's pretty good, because he

> sold

> > > me on being someone he's not. I won't go into negative details,

> for

> > > it's not healthly for any of us. I know God has a reason and

> purpose

> > > for what's happening in my life right now, and as I have given it

> to

> > > him and try not to get angry or take it back, somedays are hard,

> > > especially, when I feel so much physical pain.

> > >

> > > Everyday is a blessing and as I start feeling healthier, I know I

> > > will also feel stronger. I have the wonderful advice from Beckie,

> > > (that was a God send) that I plan to pursue and I know Spring is

> just

> > > around the corner, which makes everyone feel better.

> > >

> > > Thank you all again for being there and I thank God for finding

> you.

> > > Everyone, please take care and my thoughts and prayers are with

> us

> > > all!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-Hi Clair,

Welcome to the group. I hope you find some answers for Dylan soon.

This is a great group, full of very knowledgable folks so ask as many

questions as you need. You will get some great insight.

hugs Helen and (10,systemic)

-- In , " Clair " <clair.doyle@...> wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I just joined, and wanted to introduce myself.

>

> I'm Clair, 29 and in the UK (near London). I have a 4-year old son

> called Dylan, and after seeing our paediatrician, he's said he

thinks

> Dylan has JRA. His history is an extremely swollen left knee since

> January, which occured soon after his pre-school vaccinations.

>

> We have blood tests next week, and Dylan's also being referred to a

> rheumatologist, but I just wanted some support (and any advice you

all

> have) during this process. Just to add to the medical history,

> Dylan's also allergic to milk.

>

> Looking forward to meeting you all.

>

> Clair

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Clair,

Welcome to the group. This is such a careing group of people that

help so much I am glad you found the board. I hope Dylan starts

feeling better and that you get the answers you need.

Donna (Kailey, 9, Poly JRA)

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I just joined, and wanted to introduce myself.

>

> I'm Clair, 29 and in the UK (near London). I have a 4-year old son

> called Dylan, and after seeing our paediatrician, he's said he

thinks

> Dylan has JRA. His history is an extremely swollen left knee since

> January, which occured soon after his pre-school vaccinations.

>

> We have blood tests next week, and Dylan's also being referred to a

> rheumatologist, but I just wanted some support (and any advice you

all

> have) during this process. Just to add to the medical history,

> Dylan's also allergic to milk.

>

> Looking forward to meeting you all.

>

> Clair

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Clair, welcome to the board . So sorry to hear about your son

and I know the last few months haven't been easy. I hope the Ped

told you to give Dylan Ibuprofen in the meantime while you wait on

the Rheumy appt. (when the specialist can decide on the right

medication to control the swelling and pain).

Actually my daughter Isabelle also first had the JRA in her left. I

also believe that there is a coorelation with vaccinations for some

children with JRA. There is a lot of research particularly about the

Hep B vaccine. But I know that's probably not the entire reason for

the disease ---- seeems to be differnet " triggers " for all of our

kids here. Isabelle also had the Parvo 19 virus which has some

association, so it's still years away from knowing what really causes

JRA and related diseases. Hopefully a cure will be found though in

the meantime!

Anyway, welcome and settle right in here, you're amongst friends,

Hadley (Isabelle, 4 yrs. old, dx age 2 with JRA)

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I just joined, and wanted to introduce myself.

>

> I'm Clair, 29 and in the UK (near London). I have a 4-year old son

> called Dylan, and after seeing our paediatrician, he's said he

thinks

> Dylan has JRA. His history is an extremely swollen left knee since

> January, which occured soon after his pre-school vaccinations.

>

> We have blood tests next week, and Dylan's also being referred to a

> rheumatologist, but I just wanted some support (and any advice you

all

> have) during this process. Just to add to the medical history,

> Dylan's also allergic to milk.

>

> Looking forward to meeting you all.

>

> Clair

>

[Guest guest]

Hi clair.

Im new here as well, and I just wanted to let you know that you came to

the right place. I hope everything is ok with Dylan. Keep us posted.

Kellie, mom to Roan 9 mo, and Jae 2.5yr(systemic jra)

[Guest guest]

Hi Clair,

I am glad you found our group. I am sorry you are having to go through this with

Dylan and the waiting and not knowing for sure must be very difficult. I hope

that you feel comfortable here and we can offer you support.

Hugs,

(, 17, poly, cvid, migraines)

Clair <clair.doyle@...> wrote: Hi

everyone,

I just joined, and wanted to introduce myself.

I'm Clair, 29 and in the UK (near London). I have a 4-year old son

called Dylan, and after seeing our paediatrician, he's said he thinks

Dylan has JRA. His history is an extremely swollen left knee since

January, which occured soon after his pre-school vaccinations.

We have blood tests next week, and Dylan's also being referred to a

rheumatologist, but I just wanted some support (and any advice you all

have) during this process. Just to add to the medical history,

Dylan's also allergic to milk.

Looking forward to meeting you all.

Clair

---------------------------------

Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

[Guest guest]

You sure found a whole group of people that can relate!

They say it takes at least 4 weeks for the meds to kick in, so hopefully you

will notice something sooner than later.? If not, get back to your doc to talk

types and levels of meds.

Good luck!

New

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the group and newly diagnosed with Hashimoto's. I started

taking the meds 9 days ago but still feel like sh** (if you'll excuse

my bluntness). I have a number of the normal symptoms but am

struggling most with the cognitive ones.....brain fog, aggitation and

DEPRESSION. Oh my gosh, the depression is nasty. I kind of feel like

i'm having a mini-break down. Please tell me someone relates....

Thanks in advance and hugs to you all.

Narelle

[Guest guest]

hi Narelle

you sound undertreated and on a T4 only med.

look at http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

http://www.optimox.com

hang in there, you can get better

XO

Gracia

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the group and newly diagnosed with Hashimoto's. I started

taking the meds 9 days ago but still feel like sh** (if you'll excuse

my bluntness). I have a number of the normal symptoms but am

struggling most with the cognitive ones.....brain fog, aggitation and

DEPRESSION. Oh my gosh, the depression is nasty. I kind of feel like

i'm having a mini-break down. Please tell me someone relates....

Thanks in advance and hugs to you all.

Narelle

[Guest guest]

We hear that story so often here. Unfortunately it takes a while to get

things back in balance. Often the dose of Synthroid [or whatever] is

started off at a rather low level and then titrated upwards after blood

work every 6 weeks or so. If you don't have heart problems you might

ask your doctor to take another look at your medication level after 4

weeks instead of 6.

You might give us your blood tests results [include ranges] as well as

the dosage and name of your medication for more suggestions.

You might also read up on hypothyroidism; there's a ton of info on the

internet. Some of it is even accurate; and some of it might harm or

kill you so be careful.

Luck,

>

> New

>

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jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDNDAyMTkEc2V\

jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIxNjk4Mzc2NA-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " narellebitunjac " narellebitunjac@...

> <mailto:narellebitunjac@...?Subject=%20Re%3ANew>

> narellebitunjac <narellebitunjac>

>

>

> Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:27 am (PDT)

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm new to the group and newly diagnosed with Hashimoto's. I started

> taking the meds 9 days ago but still feel like sh** (if you'll excuse

> my bluntness). I have a number of the normal symptoms but am

> struggling most with the cognitive ones.....brain fog, aggitation and

> DEPRESSION. Oh my gosh, the depression is nasty. I kind of feel like

> i'm having a mini-break down. Please tell me someone relates....

>

> Thanks in advance and hugs to you all.

>

> Narelle

[Guest guest]

Some of us can definitely relate. Hang in there and tell us what meds you

are on and post labs. It may take a few weeks to get the full effect unless

you have something else going on.

CW

-- New

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the group and newly diagnosed with Hashimoto's. I started

taking the meds 9 days ago but still feel like sh** (if you'll excuse

my bluntness). I have a number of the normal symptoms but am

struggling most with the cognitive ones.....brain fog, aggitation and

DEPRESSION. Oh my gosh, the depression is nasty. I kind of feel like

i'm having a mini-break down. Please tell me someone relates....

Thanks in advance and hugs to you all.

Narelle

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for your kind words of support. Just knowing i'm not

alone and that i'm not actually losing my mind has made me feel heaps

better.

Hugs again.

Narelle

>

> Some of us can definitely relate. Hang in there and tell us what

meds you

> are on and post labs. It may take a few weeks to get the full

effect unless

> you have something else going on.

> CW

>

> -- New

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm new to the group and newly diagnosed with Hashimoto's. I

started

> taking the meds 9 days ago but still feel like sh** (if you'll

excuse

> my bluntness). I have a number of the normal symptoms but am

> struggling most with the cognitive ones.....brain fog, aggitation

and

> DEPRESSION. Oh my gosh, the depression is nasty. I kind of feel

like

> i'm having a mini-break down. Please tell me someone relates....

>

> Thanks in advance and hugs to you all.

>

> Narelle

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jenn,

You wrote:

>

> They say it takes at least 4 weeks for the meds to kick in, so hopefully

> you will notice something sooner than later.?...

Who is " they? " I have never heard anyone say that. The more usual story

is that it takes 4-6 weeks for blood levels to " stabilize, " but even

that description is not strictly correct.

Most people feel an improvement immediately at the start of titration

and after each increase in dosage. How long the improvement lasts is a

function of how close each dose is to the proper replacement dose. If

you are just starting the titration procedure, the improvement may last

less than a week, and you could end up feeling even worse before the

next increase.

I know this is counterintuitive based on the explanation that the

hormones take time to build up in the system. However, our bodies hoard

the hormones when we are hypoT. The biological half lives of T4 and T3

roughly double when we are hypoT, so the initial dose(s) seems much more

potent than would otherwise be expected from a " maintenance " dose. You

can also get a reverse paradoxical effect, an " oscillation, " if you

suddenly decrease the dose.

The most recent recommendation on titration is that, unless there is an

underlying cardiac condition, the doctor should estimate the full

replacement dose based on body weight and then adjust later. Most docs

still use the old six week waiting period before testing, but you might

find an excuse to go in a little early. The sooner you get the full

dosage, the sooner you will feel well.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> I just joined at the recommendation of a cyber friend. I have a

> flaming case of candida from my head to my toes.

>

> I was on a sugar binge and the candida got really bad.

>

> I am looking for natural solutions.

Hi . Welcome to our group. You will definitely get natural

solutions here. The first place to start is by reading and learning;

there is so much you need to understand about foods, the diet and why

it is the way it is, and what toxins to get rid of, the foods that feed

candida, and why supplements are necessary. So please read the article

emailed to you when you joined this group. If you don't have it you

can read " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " here:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

Second, read " Curing Candida, How to Get Started " ;

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

And start one step at a time, allowing time for your body to adjust to

this program. It takes 1 month of natural healing for every year

you've been unwell, which for most people nowadays is since before they

were born. The timing starts once you are completely on the diet and

taking all of the supplements.

We are here to help and support you so you can get healthy too, so

please get back to us after you've read. Onward & upward!

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> I was reading the information on this list about what to eat and

what not to eat and dairy was mentioned as something to avoid. I

would like to know why exactly. The reason I would like to know if

that my health support person is a lecturer for the Weston Price

Foundation and he says that dairy is ok because of the

probiotics..that's it is different from regular sugar. Dairy is a

> main source of protein for me so I am hoping there is a good reason

to keep it in my diet.

+++, you haven't had a chance to read my article I suggested

eh? Why dairy products, other than butter, are not allowed is

explained in my article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2_8.php

+++All dairy contains sugar, called lactose (except butter), which

feeds candida like any other sugars.

+++The rule IS the higher the butterfat content the lower the

lactose. Even kefir and yogurt, where the lactose is lowered during

fermentation, has lactose changed into another sugar called galatose,

so they will still feed candida. Also because of that probiotic

supplements must be non-dairy.

>

> I have given up sugar and most carbs as of yesterday and lost 4 lbs

> overnight! I guess that I was bloated from all the sugar I was

on. I could feel the intense craving for sugar last night but feel a

bit calmer today. Is this what most people doing detox experience?

+++It is not wise to change your diet too quickly. You need to go

slower and allow your body time to adjust - see " Curing Candida, How

to Get Started " :

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2_8.php

Cheers, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi, , The hip pain and scoliosis go hand in hand, because it's difficult to

walk.  All I could do for it, until my surgery at age 53, was to take lots of

advil and tylenol. There is nothing that can be done for it except to have

surgery to straighten the spine.  I'm sorry to give you this news.

 

Lana

From: princessbuttercup12 <princessbuttercup12@...>

Subject: new

Scoliosis Treatment

Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 11:14 PM

Hello!

My name is . I am 22 years old and found out when I was 6 years

old that I have congenital scoliosis. I live near Philadelphia, PA. I

have not had surgery and my curve is at 51 degrees.

The reason I have joined this group is because I've been having a lot

of pain in my hips. I've had chronic pain in my lower back for my

entire life and only within the last year my hips have been starting

to hurt a lot. I get a tingly numbness in my hips that sometimes goes

down into my knees and my hips also pop a lot. The pops don't hurt,

but are more frequent in my right hip than in my left hip. My right

hip is actually slightly higher than my left hip because of the way

my spine is. My curve is in the middle of my spine and curves to the

left.

I'll have to put up some pics of myself eventually so you all will

know what I look like and what my back/hips look like.

Anyhow, I was just wondering if anyone else has had these symptoms or

something similar and what has done about them.

Just let me know!

thanks

[Guest guest]

Phyl,

Welcome to the club...sorry you have to be here.

If you can get treated aggressively right now with antibiotics (8-24 months),

you have a good chance of Lyme being eradicated...perhaps.

I was first bit in 1999 near Lyme, CT and was under treated...

Do you know of a Lyme Literate Dr. (LLMD) you can see?

Stay hopeful...

 

From: singer@... <singer@...>

Subject: [ ] New

Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 6:17 PM

Hi Guys,

My name is Phyl. I'm 59 and got a Lyme

diagnosis yesterday. I got bitten about 8

weeks ago. I have other physical

problems so except for the red arm I'd

never have known about the Lyme thing.

I sort of want to know what this disease

does. I need to know what happens if it is

left untreated. I have a really bad

reaction to antibiotics and therefore need

to judge which will make me more sick,

drug or disease. As you can imagine I've

done tons of reading already. I'm finding

a lot of conflicting information and a lot of

stuff that's too complicated for me to

understand. Anyway, any information

that is simple would be appreciated.

Hope y'all have a good holiday weekend.

Phyl

[Guest guest]

Hello alrightguy123,

I am just now suspecting I have a case of Lyme plus possible

coinfections and am about to see a LLMD. Did you get better on

antibiotics?

I will see the movie Under Our Skin when it comes to my community on

Sept 14.

By the way, for you and anyone else knowledgeable, I am wondering if any

others have Lyme in the same circumstances as I may: I was diagnosed

with Lyme in 2003 and treated quickly (antibiotics for 4 weeks starting

about 10 days after I took the tick off my leg and about 4 days after

symptoms started...luckily my Western blot was positive). I have been

fine--completely fine--for 5 years, but last May after starting steroid

eye drops for dry eyes, I started getting loads of symptoms that I

initially thought were autoimmune. After many, many doctors and no

diagnosis I am finally getting around to considering Lyme.... I know

steroids are counterindicated for Lyme sufferers, but I thought I was

completely clear of Lyme and also was told that the eye drops weren't

systemic. Now I am wondering if my eyes themselves were due to Lyme or

related illness as they are very, very bad even with treatment (along

with loads of other Lyme-like symptoms).

Has anyone else had Lyme occur some years after a successful treatment?

Maureen

[Guest guest]

Phyl and Maureen:

I was bit in 99 and waited 5 months to get treatment. By that

time the Lyme had gotten a good hold on my. My duc gave me 24 days

of Cipro and the pain went away in about 5 days. But started to

relapse after about 9 months and didn't know WHAT it was as he said

that everyone is cured after 21 days of abx. And he had gotten Lyme

twice and abx got rid of it both times. BUT he didn't wait 5 months

I am sure.

So he wouldn't do anything and by fall of 2005 I felt I was near

death. Pain, brain fog, terrible vision, etc.. And went to him

again and he wouldn't do anything. (He follows CDC guidelines).

So took my life into my own hands and read the " Healing Lyme " book by

Harrod Buhner and ordered some of his recommended herbs and

also got a hold of some abx and took them for two months, but they

just made my already touchy stomach very painful, so I had to quit

them and went on herbs exclusively. I went on Buhner's recommended

core protocol, PLUS several other of his recommended herbs, for close

to his maximum dosages for 5.5 months instead of the two he

recommended, as when I cut down I was getting symptoms back. THen I

GRADUALLY cut down so that now, almost three years later I am down to

about 1/3 the herbs, but feeling pretty good.

I was up to 93 pills a day and am now down to about 30 a day. I was

at about 30 to 40% of my life potential back in 2005. NOW I am up to

about 98 to 99% of it. And I have age against me too as I am 67

years old. With a history of arthritis and asthma in my family.

Which I had both of before getting Lyme.

Herbs work totally different than abx. They do not kill

indiscriminately like abx do. AND MOST of them are not hard on the

stomach and the rest of your digestive tract. To the contrary, they

usually will HELP most folks by strengthening your immune system to

fight off invaders.

I never took herbs before Buhner's book, but am sure glad I did, and

do now. Get the book, it is cheap, only about $14 at Amazon.com and

it has a world of information on Lyme and what helps and HOW to go

about getting onto a GOOD regimen. Don't wait, do it right away.

THen follow it. You can go to Planet Thrive also to learn more

about Buhner and his answers to many questions.

Hope this helps. IF you want to find out more, pm me.

Jim.

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> My name is Phyl. I'm 59 and got a Lyme

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jim for your history and the recommendation. I am scared to try

anything except antibiotics (which I assume the LLMD will give me when I

see him), but I will get the book and become more informed. I appreciate

the information.

Maureen

[Guest guest]

Hi,

From your last post, it sounds like it is your LLMD who has recommended

the herbal treatments....is that the case? If so, very interesting.

Maureen

[Guest guest]

I'm not afraid of alternatives, at least not all of them, but the ones I

have tried have not worked as well for me as antibiotics. I do think

people who self-treat are more at risk for making bad decisions -

whatever you choose, work with a healthcare professional, don't treat

yourself.

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