Introduction

[Guest guest]

--- Carol Bilz <CBilz@...> wrote:

> From: Carol Bilz <CBilz@...>

>

> ((snipped))>

> Cancer, in general, should be fought nutritionally. You need

> to build up

> the body's own natural immume system by creating healthy cells

> through

> nutrition, especially if you've had chemo and radiation.

((snipped))

I couldn't agree more.

Chet Day was kind enough to put my regimen on his website at

www.chetday.com/irenestory.html. A little different slant from

Carol's, but with the same goal ... letting the body heal itself

of cancer.

===

Irene K.

Very funny, y. Now beam down my clothes. vegasrenie@...

[Guest guest]

Although I think that diet is very, very important, finding out why you got

the cancer is important. My husband is fighting melanoma. We started

juicing last September, as well as watching our diet. As his cancer got

worse, our diet became more and more strict. We became vegetarians for five

months, removing all sugars, salt, box, frozen, canned, and process food.

We haven't consumed any milk products for over a half a year, his cancer

continued to get worse. Through our research, we have found than a high

percentage of cancer patients have high heavy metal levels in their body.

My husband was checked and his mercury and copper levels were off the chart.

He has all of his silver fillings removed and started chelation. Root

canals can be another reason why cancer patients don't get better. My

husband had 2 root canals done 6 months before his cancer popped up. He has

since had his root canals removed. Low and behold, his root canals were

very infected. He would have never healed!!! Now, he's getting better.

His energy level is increasing, and I believe he is on his way to recovery.

He is currently being tested for fungal infections as well as hormone level.

His Testosterone level was in the toilet, and now he's taking testosterone.

Remember cancer is a symptom. Something else is going on in your body for

you to get cancer. Your immune system has failed you somehow. You need to

find out why your immune system has failed.

Good luck to everyone. My prayers are with you all. Cancer is a terrible

disease, and for some reason our government is not interested in a cure.

That reason is simple, greed. I read a statement from the president of the

FDA stating that if the cure for cancer was found, hospitals all over our

country would suffer, because cancer is the #1 revenue for hospitals. Sad,

very sad. God must be very angry with us and the greed that some

individuals have.

Margie

RE: [ ] Introduction

From: " I. King " <vegasrenie@...>

--- Carol Bilz <CBilz@...> wrote:

> From: Carol Bilz <CBilz@...>

>

> ((snipped))>

> Cancer, in general, should be fought nutritionally. You need

> to build up

> the body's own natural immume system by creating healthy cells

> through

> nutrition, especially if you've had chemo and radiation.

((snipped))

I couldn't agree more.

Chet Day was kind enough to put my regimen on his website at

www.chetday.com/irenestory.html. A little different slant from

Carol's, but with the same goal ... letting the body heal itself

of cancer.

===

Irene K.

Very funny, y. Now beam down my clothes. vegasrenie@...

---------------------------

[Guest guest]

" BANDER, MARGIE F " wrote:

> From: " BANDER, MARGIE F " <MARGIE.F.BANDER@...>

>

> Although I think that diet is very, very important, finding out why you got

> the cancer is important. My husband is fighting melanoma.

Dear Margie;

What type of melanoma does your husband have? When I hear melanoma, I always

think of skin cancer for some reason. I seem to remember though, that this is

not

always

the case. Could you elaborate for me?

Dick

[Guest guest]

Melanoma is skin cancer. But it gets into the blood and lymph system and

spreads through the body. It's a very aggressive and nasty cancer. His

started from a mole that he had at birth.

Margie

Re: [ ] Introduction

From: bjs1779 <bjs1779@...>

" BANDER, MARGIE F " wrote:

> From: " BANDER, MARGIE F " <MARGIE.F.BANDER@...>

>

> Although I think that diet is very, very important, finding out why you

got

> the cancer is important. My husband is fighting melanoma.

Dear Margie;

What type of melanoma does your husband have? When I hear melanoma, I always

think of skin cancer for some reason. I seem to remember though, that this

is not

always

the case. Could you elaborate for me?

Dick

---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Margie:

Glad you mentinoned the root canals ....My husband has 3--that have been

there for about 8 years and many silver fillings.

I'm going to have his blood checked for the metals. So far a cat scan

indicated no recurrence, in the pancreas area, but its only been 3 mos since

surgery.

I consistently hear and have read much about the suppression of natural,

inexpensive cures from varied sources. Even if only 30% of it were

true...Just look at the abysmal cure rate....That speaks volumes.

At first, I was skeptical. But personal contact with surgeons, oncologists,

radiologists and consistently hearing phrases like " scientically proven " and

" standard procedures " has an unsettling effect. Combined with listening to

well-rehearsed and vague replies.........for very " scientifically proven "

explanations I became more than a little wary.

Interestingly our surgeon told me I read too much......I'll only become

confused. I told him a little knowledge may be dangerous, but none is

DEADLY. Did he only want to treat illiterate patients and their

families???? ...... He made no reply.

The radiology nurse at our local hospital reinforced my wariness further

when she advised us (quite cheerily) that said hospital (which enjoys a

VERY RESPECTED REPUTATION) is building an ONCOLOGY CENTER on a local MAJOR

HIGHWAY complete with therapeutic exercise room and aromatherapy. A very

costly venture, but undoubtedly the return on the investment (ROI) will more

than justify the capital outlay since the industry continues to grow at such

a fast pace.

Now I wonder who the investors might be. It wouldn't be the same people who

invest in the MRI centers would it????? Do you think the average investor

might stand a chance?????

Sorry for the sarcasm, this is not my usual stance, I usually turn my

energies to researching and sharing information with others, which I'll

continue to do.

You may be interested in checking out the website

www.best.com/~handpen/Cancel.nathan.htm. I personally spoke with one of the

people who willing gave a testimonial. It was a very inspiring conversation.

RE: [ ] Introduction

From: " I. King " <vegasrenie@...>

--- Carol Bilz <CBilz@...> wrote:

> From: Carol Bilz <CBilz@...>

>

> ((snipped))>

> Cancer, in general, should be fought nutritionally. You need

> to build up

> the body's own natural immume system by creating healthy cells

> through

> nutrition, especially if you've had chemo and radiation.

((snipped))

I couldn't agree more.

Chet Day was kind enough to put my regimen on his website at

www.chetday.com/irenestory.html. A little different slant from

Carol's, but with the same goal ... letting the body heal itself

of cancer.

===

Irene K.

Very funny, y. Now beam down my clothes. vegasrenie@...

---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Carol Bilz wrote:

> From: Carol Bilz <CBilz@...>

> You may be interested in checking out the website

>

> www.best.com/~handpen/Cancel.nathan.htm.

Could you copy the address window and paste it in? That

eliminates mistakes.

Dick

[Guest guest]

Try typing:

www.best.com/~handpen

instead of:

www.best.com/~handpen/Cancel.nathan.htm.

Then select the links

Tom

RE: [ ] Introduction

From: " I. King " <vegasrenie@...>

--- Carol Bilz <CBilz@...> wrote:

> From: Carol Bilz <CBilz@...>

>

> ((snipped))>

> Cancer, in general, should be fought nutritionally. You need

> to build up

> the body's own natural immume system by creating healthy cells

> through

> nutrition, especially if you've had chemo and radiation.

((snipped))

I couldn't agree more.

Chet Day was kind enough to put my regimen on his website at

www.chetday.com/irenestory.html. A little different slant from

Carol's, but with the same goal ... letting the body heal itself

of cancer.

===

Irene K.

Very funny, y. Now beam down my clothes. vegasrenie@...

---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Re: [ ] Introduction

From: bjs1779 <bjs1779@...>

Carol Bilz wrote:

> From: Carol Bilz <CBilz@...>

> You may be interested in checking out the websites

>http://www.best.com/~handpen/Cancell/cancell.htm> and

www.best.com/~handpen/Cancel.nathan.htm.

Could you copy the address window and paste it in? That

eliminates mistakes.

Dick

---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Carol Bilz wrote:

> From: Carol Bilz <CBilz@...>

>

> Re: [ ] Introduction

>

> From: bjs1779 <bjs1779@...>

>

> Carol Bilz wrote:

>

> > From: Carol Bilz <CBilz@...>

> > You may be interested in checking out the websites

> >http://www.best.com/~handpen/Cancell/cancell.htm> and

> www.best.com/~handpen/Cancel.nathan.htm.

http://www.best.com/~handpen/Cancell/nathan.htm

>

>

> Could you copy the address window and paste it in? That

> eliminates mistakes.

> Dick

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Margie,

Sorry your husband is going through so much. I wish him great luck and good

health.You stated that his melanoma started from a birthmole. Do you have

any sources/info/data on moles, warts and skin flags, and their removal by

alternative ways? Thanks, Mike Cinelli

=================================

At 08:07 AM 7/16/99 -0500, you wrote:

>From: " BANDER, MARGIE F " <MARGIE.F.BANDER@...>

>

>Melanoma is skin cancer. But it gets into the blood and lymph system and

>spreads through the body. It's a very aggressive and nasty cancer. His

>started from a mole that he had at birth.

>

>Margie

>

> Re: [ ] Introduction

>

>

>From: bjs1779 <bjs1779@...>

>

>

>

> " BANDER, MARGIE F " wrote:

>

>> From: " BANDER, MARGIE F " <MARGIE.F.BANDER@...>

>>

>> Although I think that diet is very, very important, finding out why you

>got

>> the cancer is important. My husband is fighting melanoma.

>

>Dear Margie;

>What type of melanoma does your husband have? When I hear melanoma, I always

>think of skin cancer for some reason. I seem to remember though, that this

>is not

>always

>the case. Could you elaborate for me?

>Dick

>

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Mike,

If there is skin cancer, there's a product called cansema(black salve) from

Alpha Omega labs that you can apply to the cancer, and it kills the cancer

right away. It takes about 40 days for the whole process. What happens is

that in 24-48 hours the cansema will kill the cancer, but it takes the rest

of the time for the tumor to fall off, and the skin to heal. Do a search

for the lab and you can order it from them.

Margie

Re: [ ] Introduction

>

>

>From: bjs1779 <bjs1779@...>

>

>

>

> " BANDER, MARGIE F " wrote:

>

>> From: " BANDER, MARGIE F " <MARGIE.F.BANDER@...>

>>

>> Although I think that diet is very, very important, finding out why you

>got

>> the cancer is important. My husband is fighting melanoma.

>

>Dear Margie;

>What type of melanoma does your husband have? When I hear melanoma, I

always

>think of skin cancer for some reason. I seem to remember though, that this

>is not

>always

>the case. Could you elaborate for me?

>Dick

>

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Thanks Margie. Mike

===================

At 03:53 PM 7/23/99 -0500, you wrote:

>From: " BANDER, MARGIE F " <MARGIE.F.BANDER@...>

>

>Mike,

>

>If there is skin cancer, there's a product called cansema(black salve) from

>Alpha Omega labs that you can apply to the cancer, and it kills the cancer

>right away. It takes about 40 days for the whole process. What happens is

>that in 24-48 hours the cansema will kill the cancer, but it takes the rest

>of the time for the tumor to fall off, and the skin to heal. Do a search

>for the lab and you can order it from them.

>

>Margie

>

> Re: [ ] Introduction

>>

>>

>>From: bjs1779 <bjs1779@...>

>>

>>

>>

>> " BANDER, MARGIE F " wrote:

>>

>>> From: " BANDER, MARGIE F " <MARGIE.F.BANDER@...>

>>>

>>> Although I think that diet is very, very important, finding out why you

>>got

>>> the cancer is important. My husband is fighting melanoma.

>>

>>Dear Margie;

>>What type of melanoma does your husband have? When I hear melanoma, I

>always

>>think of skin cancer for some reason. I seem to remember though, that this

>>is not

>>always

>>the case. Could you elaborate for me?

>>Dick

>>

>>

>>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

>From: " Kay " <b10g7@...>

>

>welcome christie!

Thank you! Since I've posted a couple of messages, it is past time to

introduce myself! I live in Michigan and am glad to see that there is a MI

contingency here!

My medical history is pretty complex. I have had strange signs and

symptoms since late 70's when I suddenly was weakened one day with chest

pain, muscle weakness, inability to stand, and also had crusty red rings on

my arms. I was told at the Uof MI to see a psychiatrist and my doc

thought it was a virus. It took a year to start feeling normal. ly,

I thought it might be chemical contamination -as a fire retardant called

PPB was mixed into cattle food. As a result anyone in MI eating meat and

dairy products had PPB in their fat. Many farmers were very ill, and

cattle died. Well, that is one theory.

Later in 80's I had a retinal infarct and was watched for autoimmune

disease, but I felt well enough to work, raise small children, work and do

volunteer work. I have been both a teacher and social worker, and got my

Masters degree at U of MI after having 1st baby and had a 120 mile commute.

My point is that I am not a malingerer!!

In 1991, I was infected via endoscopy with a parasitical infection. I lost

weight repidly, was in severe pain, had to stop working. However, except

for my Internist who thought it was the scope, I was dismissed as having

" hysteria " from Gastro and Mayo clinic. Meanwhile I was having muscle

wasting. I got to a doc who did testing through the Great Smokies Lab in

NC, and the parasite, blastocystis hominis, was properly diagnosed and

treated. Mayo never tested for this saying it did not exist in USA. Now it

is known that infection is spread by scopes. This parasite can cause long

term autoimmune problems - so that is another theory to throw into the

diagnostic pot!

I began to get better, but then collasped a year later with fatigue that

was more like a coma - I could NOT stay awake. My ANA titer was over 5000

with <1:40 being normal.

Well, I tried again to rally, but wasn't much better. A friend referred me

to a doctor who treated lyme and unusual diseases and I remembered my round

rashes. I had an antibotic challange test and was positive on 3 out of 4

of the tests. I was elated - something was found! I took antibotics for

over 6 months and then had another retinal infarct, sigh!! I was referred

to my present RHEUM who Dx'ed possible lupus, CFIDS and FMS. ANd I was

told that Lyme titers were false, and I stopped lyme treatment, and now

sorry I did!

I have gone on to have horrible fatigue, pain - muscle and joint, chronic

respirtory infection, cognitive dysfunction, lung,

cardiovascular,intestinal, and some kidney involvement. In other words, I'm

sick! I am disabled, unable to work now, health is decling, and have been

in battle with SSA for over 6 years. I finally was approved, but at

expense of giving up back benefits. This illness has also cost my

marriage, and no treatment has relieved or improved health.

I have been on a lupus list for a year and was referred here by CHeryl - hi

Cheryl! I also moderate a CFS Experiemental Treatment list, where several

people were finally diagnosed with tick born disease after being thrown

into the Chronic Fagigue wastebasket. Again, I remember my rashes wish to

try again to rule out lyme since I was positive during the extensive

testing done with lyme doctor.

Well, that is my medical story, and it is so strange that many doctors do

not want to deal with me! However, after a couple of years of severe

depression, I have decided to be procative again. When marital problems and

health became unbearable, I shut down. Now I am learning as best I can,

working on my attitude, and am open to anything that might help.

I am to start an experimental treatment with low-dose oral interferon which

is in Phase III trials for sjogrens and FMS, and I have both. However, now

I want to either rule out the lyme or be treated for it. I have thrown out

a lot here and realize that my health could be due to a number of factors.

But I must try this avenue for my peace of mind.

The signs and symptoms I have read about here are identical to those I see

on the CFSFM lists. The crossover is amazing! It seems that there is an

epidemic of difficult to diagnose diseases in past 20 years or so. Tests

don't aren't specific enough and doctors tend to blame the patient for the

illness if they cannot *see* something concrete, and nothing could be more

wrong. I feel that the most important diagnostic tool is the patient's

word as that is the starting place to figuring out the puzzle of these

illnesses.

For those who have written, thank you so much! I know this list offers

information and support. I think the internet is a godsend to us because we

can learn and share information faster now. With such information, we have

a better chance of treatment and better quality of life.

End of life story!

Christie Tabacchi - in MI

tab@...

ICQ# 24506195

CFSEXperimentalonelist

[Guest guest]

>>>several

people were finally diagnosed with tick born disease after being thrown

into the Chronic Fatigue wastebasket. <<<

i love this! what a great quote! i will use it. it is so perfectly

descriptive!

lol,

kay

[Guest guest]

chronic fatigue toilet feels more like it .......i don't usually feel like

garbage but feel likeS**T.....LOL

Reid

[Guest guest]

For asthma , try killing Ascaris parasites in the lungs with 3000mg Coenzyme

Q10 as outlined at

http://www..net Click on The Tapeworm and Ascaris Program. Also the

cold shock treatment has worked for many. Have a hot shower in the morning

,turn the hot water off and have a cold shower for 3 minutes. The colder the

better. The shock makes one cough phlegm up and the cold water close the

pores in the skin so allergens can't affect you. Avoid allergens such as

dust mites, moulds, cat's saliva and cat's fur where possible. Vitamins A ,

C and E have helped some people. according to " Give Asthma the Big A " by

n Shepherd Slee.

Ken

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Hi Mo

Welcome to the club!

Yes medical knowledge on PA is somewhat spare, but there again so far we

only number 200, so we are mysteries. Cannot speak for the rest of the

members, but I for one had an aversion for hospitals, especially being

admitted. The send the invite, you arrive and they then label you the

enigma, because they have never seen anything like this before!

Well this is the place to get support, so any questions you may have, please

post.

First thing Mo you are NOT alone, so please come out of the corner! As you

would not sit patients in the corner of the day room alone, neither do we,

so come out and come out fighting. If you need boxing gloves they can be

supplied, honest.

Can you please tell me your other auto immune complications, because I am

looking for a clinical sister, have not located one yet.

Love and God Bless

Gillian

[ ] introduction

>From: Mike Berry <mjberry@...>

>

>hi, i'm mo.i'm 44yrs old and was diagnosed officially with psoriasis in my

>twenties. it flared after the birth of of each of my children. i believe it

>actually started on my scalp in college. the PA was oficially dx'd about 2

>yrs. ago. i take indocin sr every 12 hrs. and though it makes me fuzzy for

>a fewhrs' it seems to help.i've only recently starte the second one, and

>can't take it on work days due to the fog it creates. my p is plaque and

>guttate,mild though almost everywhere is affected except palms and soles.

>new is the heavy ache running down my left leg from buttock to ankle and a

>heavy ache on right elbow. left shoulder and low back have been very stiff

>for a long time. boy woud i love a hot tub, though getting in and out would

>probably be a nightmare some days. my fingernails are the latest to get

>involved. 6 are lifting and curling, funny yellow color with red margins

>toward the cuticle. i have to cut them quite short to keep them from

>snagging things.i have some sausage like fingers but no redness or swelling

>just stiffness and arthritic changes changes in first and some of the

>second joints. i have not seen my doctor about the nails.i enjoy reading

>your letters from my spot here in the corner,as i know no one with PA. i've

>been a nurse for many yrs. and have never even come across a pt. with PA.

>meeting you all brings a kind of validation because i can only learn from

>you all as literature is so brief and we sure do not fit into any tight

>package. i have a few other auto immune problems as i assume some some of

>you may also. thanks for listening. i appreciate the support. mo berry

>

>>Please visit our new web page at:

>http://www.wpunj.edu/icip/pa

>

[Guest guest]

I have heard of IV vancomycin, but not vibramycin.

[Guest guest]

I have heard of IV vancomycin, but not vibramycin.

[Guest guest]

Hi liz,

I am sorry to hear of your surgery. I would first recommend a good

oncologist who will study the tumor. his web site is breastlinkcare.com--Dr

Link. in fountain valley california. his recent book is the breast

cancer survival manual. i had a masectomy two years ago.

Toni

[Guest guest]

Liz

What part of the country are you in? I would go see Dr. Cowden in Texas. In

fact I do see him following a lump removed. If this is viable, call Rita at

972-562-9303 and try to get appt. If this is not good location,she may be

able to guide you to someone in your area.

Meanwhile, cleanse your body, drink pure water, juice carrot (all veggies and

fruit you can find).

Sincerely,

ann

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I was dx with Ovarian Cancer Stage 1V over a year ago (mets to Liver

and stomach). I had 3 cycles 0f (Taxol/Carbo) chemo, then surgery

followed with 6 cycles of chemo. After the 2nd chemo I started zapping and

had no severe reaction to chemo throughout. I've been zapping at least 5

times a week and truly believe it has helped me a lot. I have been in

remission for 7 months and enjoying every day.

With a 80% chance of recurrance, I decided to do all could possibly

do to prevent the cancer recurring. A friend sent me the 2 Johanna

Budwig books so have been doing the cottage cheese and flax oil combo for

about one month. Hmmm ... A delicious way to prevent cancer?

I believe the zapper has helped me a lot during chemo as I felt it was a

none invasive way of helping myself without conflicting with chemo. I do

know that since I started zapping, I no longer have migraines, sore throats,

earaches or flu and no more Tylenol. I'm a real zapper fan.

I would be interested to hear of others who believe the zapper has helped

them, or your experinces with the flaxoil / protein protocol.

Bye for now...

Sandy.

[Guest guest]

Whose zapper were you using and how

much? Thanks, JR (I would like to zap my

mother-in-law).....God, I'm only kidding.

Really..what zapper and how much?

Hi Everyone,

I was dx with Ovarian Cancer Stage 1V over a year ago (mets to Liver

and stomach). I had 3 cycles 0f (Taxol/Carbo) chemo, then surgery

followed with 6 cycles of chemo. After the 2nd chemo I started zapping and

had no severe reaction to chemo throughout. I've been zapping at least 5

times a week and truly believe it has helped me a lot. I have been in

remission for 7 months and enjoying every day.

With a 80% chance of recurrance, I decided to do all could possibly

do to prevent the cancer recurring. A friend sent me the 2 Johanna

Budwig books so have been doing the cottage cheese and flax oil combo for

about one month. Hmmm ... A delicious way to prevent cancer?

I believe the zapper has helped me a lot during chemo as I felt it was a

none invasive way of helping myself without conflicting with chemo. I do

know that since I started zapping, I no longer have migraines, sore throats,

earaches or flu and no more Tylenol. I'm a real zapper fan.

I would be interested to hear of others who believe the zapper has helped

them, or your experinces with the flaxoil / protein protocol.

Bye for now...

Sandy.

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JR

You can order a zapper from Rita at 972-562-9303, she is Dr. Cowden's asst.

It is little over $100 as I remember.

ja

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Sandy,

Where did you get your zapper and how much did you pay?.....Belinda

In a message dated 06/04/2000 11:47:44 PM Central Daylight Time,

spp@... writes:

<< Hi Everyone,

I was dx with Ovarian Cancer Stage 1V over a year ago (mets to Liver

and stomach). I had 3 cycles 0f (Taxol/Carbo) chemo, then surgery

followed with 6 cycles of chemo. After the 2nd chemo I started zapping and

had no severe reaction to chemo throughout. I've been zapping at least 5

times a week and truly believe it has helped me a lot. I have been in

remission for 7 months and enjoying every day.

With a 80% chance of recurrance, I decided to do all could possibly

do to prevent the cancer recurring. A friend sent me the 2 Johanna

Budwig books so have been doing the cottage cheese and flax oil combo for

about one month. Hmmm ... A delicious way to prevent cancer?

I believe the zapper has helped me a lot during chemo as I felt it was a

none invasive way of helping myself without conflicting with chemo. I do

know that since I started zapping, I no longer have migraines, sore throats,

earaches or flu and no more Tylenol. I'm a real zapper fan.

I would be interested to hear of others who believe the zapper has helped

them, or your experinces with the flaxoil / protein protocol.

Bye for now...

Sandy.

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