Re: Thinking of trying for baby # 3 - What to do to prepare?

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>

> Carla,

> I have 9 amalgams and two neurotypical daughters and one 4 year

old

> son who was born typical and developed well until he had 7 vaccines

> in one day while ill with a terrible cold and then regressed into

> autism (PDD-NOS). I did not breastfeed any of them but I fed them

> all commercial formula which probably has more metals in it than

any

> breastmilk ever would. I wish I had breastfed them even with the

> amalgams. Vicki

>

Totally speaking for myself, I rather wish " they " had never invented

formula. (big sigh)...

In response to Carla's questions...

In hindsite, I can see an " ebb & flow " of add/autism spectrum

characteristics in my older children...and can often link these

directly to vaccinations, outstanding toxic exposures, and other such

fun things.

My older girl, with whom I scraped lead paint while pregnant, was the

only one with more outstanding & worrisome symptoms, as

infant/toddler. Such as rather extreme jaundice, diag. asthma within

her first month, had the cutest " accent " from her first " jabbering "

moments, that never went away & speech therapy only made worse,

an " easy " baby....But the autistic tendencies - those came

later...the year after her K vaccinations, and, then again, in

fourth grade, only this time they " back " with a vengeance - enough

so, that these traits would have gotten her a diag - had she not

acquired these at an " older " age.

Feels like my relatively NT older kids, kept " getting better, " just

to be knocked down again...Felt like they " coped, " if you may, with

my toxic issues. Until they ran into their own amalgams & shots &

malathion & mold & lead - well, these things feel like some of

the " things " that took them from NT land, and led them into some

permanent & semi-permanent forays into ADD/Autism land......

My migraine girl has alot of the concurrent belly issues & physical

health problems that I see here...and I do believe things that " could

have been, " without the knowledge I have gotten here, most certainly

could have included symptoms of " autism. " Fish oil & epsom

salts....these were the first two things that I did, and these got us

some really big results, that I do think helped her thrive (And the

other four, to boot!) - waaay back in the beginning. and the rest is

history.

....really cannot convey how truly blessed I feel at moments like

this - and end up sooo wishing blessing upon blessing to all the

people here, yk?

So, yes. My short answer is, I definitely think it is more than

possible....fwiw, elizabeth

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Hi ...my apologies if my response felt like any sort

of " stomping. " Not at all my intention, ever. " If you only knew... "

just resonates with me - so many stories, so very many hard stories

going on...that is the heartbreak of it all....yk? wishing you good

answers, elizabeth

>

> I agree with removing fluoride as being very important. Avoiding

fluoride is one way we have gotten our daughter to not have uveitis

flares for seven months. Getting a whole house reverse osmosis system

to remove fluoride is a goal of mine. Currently we have reverse

osmosis for the drinking water only. I don't like the thought of it

in the bath water. Fluoride is a trigger for autoimmune disease.

>

> I nursed all of my children. I meant to say for me, as a very

toxic person, I wonder if I did more harm to my children than good

with my specific breastmilk, not that breastfeeding is bad. I believe

formula would have been way worse than my breastmilk. I just

question whether or not I poisoned my children with chemicals in my

breastmilk. If you only knew my family background with the mercury

and radiation from fallout from nuclear disasters, I have to ask

myself the question, is there ever a point where the amount of

chemicals in a woman's breastmilk outweigh the benefits of

breastfeeding? I hope that my girls breastfeed and I plan on

chelating all of them to put them on the best footing for that.

>

>

>

>

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I having my breast milk tested now so I can make decision on breastfeeding

Natalia

eli8591 <eli8591@...> wrote:

Hi ...my apologies if my response felt like any sort

of " stomping. " Not at all my intention, ever. " If you only knew... "

just resonates with me - so many stories, so very many hard stories

going on...that is the heartbreak of it all....yk? wishing you good

answers, elizabeth

>

> I agree with removing fluoride as being very important. Avoiding

fluoride is one way we have gotten our daughter to not have uveitis

flares for seven months. Getting a whole house reverse osmosis system

to remove fluoride is a goal of mine. Currently we have reverse

osmosis for the drinking water only. I don't like the thought of it

in the bath water. Fluoride is a trigger for autoimmune disease.

>

> I nursed all of my children. I meant to say for me, as a very

toxic person, I wonder if I did more harm to my children than good

with my specific breastmilk, not that breastfeeding is bad. I believe

formula would have been way worse than my breastmilk. I just

question whether or not I poisoned my children with chemicals in my

breastmilk. If you only knew my family background with the mercury

and radiation from fallout from nuclear disasters, I have to ask

myself the question, is there ever a point where the amount of

chemicals in a woman's breastmilk outweigh the benefits of

breastfeeding? I hope that my girls breastfeed and I plan on

chelating all of them to put them on the best footing for that.

>

>

>

>

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> P.S. I find it interesting you mention your son needed folate to do well

> with MB12... B12 is supposed to be methylated by 5-MTHF but MB12

bypasses

> that (at least until it has been used once, then it becomes plain

B12). Did

> your son also have issues with TMG when he was folate deficient?

When I gave mB12 without folic acid, my son developed SEVERE symptoms

of folic deficiency.

At first, he did not tolerate TMG [major problems], but after

chelation he tolerated it for a few weeks, but not longer. He was

folic deficient after chelation. A little later on, once I

supplemented folic and carnitine, he tolerated it again for about 2

weeks. Not sure if this pattern means anything.

Dana

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I had just delivered my second set of twins when my son (only one

who isn't a twin) was diagnosed autistic. However, I can tell you

he didn't start out autistic either. He was so NORMAL until 18

months and then it was like something had just hit him one day. Now

I know what it was.....vaccines. My last 2 have not been

vaccinated. I have 4 boys and 1 girl (2 twin boys now 7, my 5.5

year old autistic son, and a boy and girl twins age 2). All are

neurotypical except for my middle child. I think he just got the

bad combo of autoimmune genes and vaccines. To think back, I'm

often struck by the fact that I COULD have ended up with 3 autistic

sons (the oldest 3) since they all had vaccines. I just think that

if he hadn't had those shots, he'd still be normal. I have amalgams

and breastfed all my kids. To be truthful, my son was the

healthiest and most normal during the time of breastfeeding. When

my last twins were born I decided to breast feed them as long as

they'd let me. My daughter quit at about 13 months, and my son

lasted till 15-16 months. If I were to have any more children, I'd

breastfeed as long as possible, not get any vaccines for the kids,

and be sure to feed them as organically as possible.

> > >

> > > Certainly not everyone has issues with folic acid, but even if

> > they don't,

> > > 5-MTHF is superior in terms of getting the methylation cycle

> going.

> > >

> > > Folic acid requires two recycles* and a methyl group+ to

become 5-

> > MTHF.

> > > Folinic acid requires one recycle* and a methyl group+ to

become

> 5-

> > MTHF.

> > > 5-MTHF doesn't require any recycling or methyl groups.

> > >

> > > * When I say " recycle " I mean it passes through the DHFR

enzyme.

> > There is a

> > > limited amount of this enzyme and it requires B3 to be used.

> > >

> > > +The methyl group comes from DMG (cofactor: B2), MMG

(cofactor:

> > B2), Glycine

> > > (cofactors: B3/B6) or Serine (cofactor: B6). This process

> > requires the

> > > folate pass through the MTHFR enzyme, so anyone with MTHFR

> > mutations will

> > > have decreased production of 5-MTHF. MTHFR itself requires B2

> and

> > B3.

> > >

> > > -Lana

> > >

> > > P.S. I find it interesting you mention your son needed folate

to

> > do well

> > > with MB12... B12 is supposed to be methylated by 5-MTHF but

MB12

> > bypasses

> > > that (at least until it has been used once, then it becomes

plain

> > B12). Did

> > > your son also have issues with TMG when he was folate

deficient?

> > >

> > > I gave my son boatloads of folic acid for several months. I

tried

> > > > folinic also, but either one was fine for my son. He was

> SEVERELY

> > > > folic deficient. Folic was very helpful for him for language

> and

> > also

> > > > tolerance of mB12.

> > > >

> > > > Not all kids need to avoid folic. For some, it is required.

> > > >

> > > > Dana

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I agree that commercial formula is worse than breastfeeding with amalgams, but

that is not the only choice. You can get breastmilk pumped from say, a mom who

has a clean hair test by joining your local Le Leche League to find someone, put

the breastmilk in bottles and bottlefeed breastmilk. You could make a goat milk

formula.

This doesn't stop the placental mercury dump you will do to your baby during

pregnancy. So, the baby of a toxic mom will need to be hair tested and chelated

if they need it, regardless of physical symptoms of the baby at the time.

Sometimes mercury does silent damage that you can't see, it is not always

obvious, like my child #5 with the autoimmune induced no symptom, vision

threatening eye disease. There is time for me to chelate my children before

they have children. That is the complete focus of my life until it's done. So

pardon my passionate nature (it's the mercury:)

I do not agree that if you do not vaccinate you will have normal children with

amalgams. First of all it probably depends on how many. I had now that I

remember, somewhere between eight and fourteen amalgams, some of the work I had

done was fillings only, had four children who were not vaccinated and we lived a

life without chemicals because my husband has chemical sensitivity.

Those four children are not normal (no offense to them) but for the sake of this

conversation. I am not normal, my husband is not normal, my mom and cousins

aren't normal. We are toxic. My grandma, her sisters, her cousins, half of them

died or are dying from alzheimers....at around seventy five years old. This is

me in thirty five years if I can't chelate. I already can't remember last week.

I just vistited a cousin of mine in the nursing home. Don't even get me started

on my teenager.....I have compassion on her because of the mercury....but we

just stand in awe of her thinking process that is putting herself in danger.

She has to chelate to save her life. I think she knows this too.

[Guest guest]

But our parents also had tons of amalgams; it was their only option.

My mom is in her late 60s and had a mouthful. She would have had

them placed in the 1940s and 1950s. The incidence of

ADD/allergies/arthritis, etc in children was much lower in my birth

generation despite moms with amalgams.

It's all cumulative, I assume.

That being said, I'll admit my sibs and yours truly are NOT

neurotypical! But, we were born in a time where nut allergies, ADHD

support groups and 1 in 5 kids qualifying for Special Education

Services was non-existent.

This makes me sad.

Pam

> > >

> > > Certainly not everyone has issues with folic acid, but even if

> > they don't,

> > > 5-MTHF is superior in terms of getting the methylation cycle

> going.

> > >

> > > Folic acid requires two recycles* and a methyl group+ to become

> 5-

> > MTHF.

> > > Folinic acid requires one recycle* and a methyl group+ to

become

> 5-

> > MTHF.

> > > 5-MTHF doesn't require any recycling or methyl groups.

> > >

> > > * When I say " recycle " I mean it passes through the DHFR

> enzyme.

> > There is a

> > > limited amount of this enzyme and it requires B3 to be used.

> > >

> > > +The methyl group comes from DMG (cofactor: B2), MMG (cofactor:

> > B2), Glycine

> > > (cofactors: B3/B6) or Serine (cofactor: B6). This process

> > requires the

> > > folate pass through the MTHFR enzyme, so anyone with MTHFR

> > mutations will

> > > have decreased production of 5-MTHF. MTHFR itself requires B2

> and

> > B3.

> > >

> > > -Lana

> > >

> > > P.S. I find it interesting you mention your son needed folate

to

> > do well

> > > with MB12... B12 is supposed to be methylated by 5-MTHF but

MB12

> > bypasses

> > > that (at least until it has been used once, then it becomes

> plain

> > B12). Did

> > > your son also have issues with TMG when he was folate deficient?

> > >

> > > I gave my son boatloads of folic acid for several months. I

tried

> > > > folinic also, but either one was fine for my son. He was

> SEVERELY

> > > > folic deficient. Folic was very helpful for him for language

> and

> > also

> > > > tolerance of mB12.

> > > >

> > > > Not all kids need to avoid folic. For some, it is required.

> > > >

> > > > Dana

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well, I did stop reading at ABMD for a reason; however, what this

doctor had to say seemed worth investigating. His comments seemed in

congruence with the agouti mouse study. These cancerous, diabetic,

obese, yellow mice were able to give birth to non-cancerous, non-

diabetic, slim, brown mice simply by providing a diet for the mother

high in methyl donors prior to conception and during the pregnancy.

This advice wouldn't, IMO, be dangerous or difficult to implement.

In fact, the kind of supplementation we're talking about would simply

make the diet of the parents resemble a more traditional diet rather

than the diet most of eat/are recommended today.

I don't know how truthful the doctor's statements regarding this

information were; however, in his other comments concerning recovery,

etc, he certainly hasn't made any grand claims. In fact, the

opposite. I wouldn't share the information if I thought he was

simply grandstanding.

Anita

>

> My experience with ABMD is that it is surreptitiously edited to

exclude real or useful

> infomation in favor of this kind of drivel

>

> > " I used to read at ABMD and a doctor there spoke of supplementing

moms

> > (maybe dads too, I can't remember) and in over 900 families

(higher

> > risk families, like ours) not one child with autism or downs (this

> > doctor deals with downs children too).

>

> Reasons I don't believe this:

>

> That would require a far larger practice than most alternative

doctors have;

>

> With 900 families certainly some would be lost to followup before

the doctor knew the

> status of the new babies.

>

> Andy

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if it's true that there were 900 families in this study or if any

of them developed Autism or Down's, but the most obvious cause of the lack of

any further developmental delays in subsequent children.....was probably a

reluctance to vaccinate among nutrition-minded families or families who had

previously had and ASD child.

I'm grateful to this dr as he helped me figure out the white patches on her

skin, which I thought were Vitiligo, but was really just skin yeast. Otherwise I

have read his posts saying there is NO cure for Autism, ever, which I never

responded to as he has a Down's child. And despite his comments about her skin

yeast a lot of what he had to say I found inaccurate.

The board is run like the Gestapo prison camp.

[ ] Re: Thinking of trying for baby # 3 - What to do to

prepare?

Well, I did stop reading at ABMD for a reason; however, what this

doctor had to say seemed worth investigating. His comments seemed in

congruence with the agouti mouse study. These cancerous, diabetic,

obese, yellow mice were able to give birth to non-cancerous, non-

diabetic, slim, brown mice simply by providing a diet for the mother

high in methyl donors prior to conception and during the pregnancy.

This advice wouldn't, IMO, be dangerous or difficult to implement.

In fact, the kind of supplementation we're talking about would simply

make the diet of the parents resemble a more traditional diet rather

than the diet most of eat/are recommended today.

I don't know how truthful the doctor's statements regarding this

information were; however, in his other comments concerning recovery,

etc, he certainly hasn't made any grand claims. In fact, the

opposite. I wouldn't share the information if I thought he was

simply grandstanding.

Anita

>

> My experience with ABMD is that it is surreptitiously edited to

exclude real or useful

> infomation in favor of this kind of drivel

>

> > " I used to read at ABMD and a doctor there spoke of supplementing

moms

> > (maybe dads too, I can't remember) and in over 900 families

(higher

> > risk families, like ours) not one child with autism or downs (this

> > doctor deals with downs children too).

>

> Reasons I don't believe this:

>

> That would require a far larger practice than most alternative

doctors have;

>

> With 900 families certainly some would be lost to followup before

the doctor knew the

> status of the new babies.

>

> Andy

>

[Guest guest]

Does anyone think their husband's amalgams or toxicity makes a

difference? My husband had 7 amalgams and just recently had 4

removed (not properly I might add) and he's got 3 left. As a child

he had epilepsy, asthma and food allergies. Worrying about myself

aside, should I be worried about his toxic influence as well?

BTW, all of the conversation and answers people are posting is

GREAT! Thanks everyone!

Carla

> >

> > My experience with ABMD is that it is surreptitiously edited

to

> exclude real or useful

> > infomation in favor of this kind of drivel

> >

> > > " I used to read at ABMD and a doctor there spoke of

supplementing

> moms

> > > (maybe dads too, I can't remember) and in over 900 families

> (higher

> > > risk families, like ours) not one child with autism or downs

(this

> > > doctor deals with downs children too).

> >

> > Reasons I don't believe this:

> >

> > That would require a far larger practice than most alternative

> doctors have;

> >

> > With 900 families certainly some would be lost to followup

before

> the doctor knew the

> > status of the new babies.

> >

> > Andy

> >

>

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