Re: Thinking of trying for baby # 3 - What to do to prepare?

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My second child's autism diagnosis put the plans my wife and I had for at

least three kids on potentially permanent hold. Three years later, we are the

proud parents of a beautiful baby girl, and we feel well-armed with the wisdom

of other parents and many doctors to prevent her from the same fate her

brother experienced.

What? We're planning to prevent her from developing autism? The notion of

being able to prevent autism is a highly controversial idea, and one sure to

make many sentences in this entry blogger-fodder. So be it.

It's probably worth taking a quick step back. The _Generation Rescue_

(http://generationrescue.org/) website spells out pretty accurately how we

feel

about the cause of autism:

We believe these neurological disorders ( " NDs " ) are environmental illnesses

caused by an overload of heavy metals, live viruses, and bacteria. Proper

treatment of our children, known as " biomedical intervention " We believe these

neurological disorders

The cause of this epidemic of NDs is extremely controversial. We believe the

primary causes include the tripling of vaccines given to children in the

last 15 years (mercury, aluminum and live viruses); maternal toxic load and

prenatal vaccines; heavy metals like mercury in our air, water, and food; and

the

overuse of antibiotics.

As we began to think about child number three, and armed with this general

point of view above, my wife and I began to network with other parents who

were in similar situations. Specifically, parents with an autistic child who

had

decided to have an additional child after becoming biomedical experts.

Through all of these conversations and time spent with many great doctors,

we began to develop a plan to prepare for life before and after birth that we

believed would reduce the chances for another autistic child. The complete

list of ideas, from which we chose the right plan for us, included:

Early Preparation for Mom (prior to conception):

- Switching to a gluten/casein free diet

- Eating organic foods and avoiding all artificial colors, flavors, and

preservatives

- Limiting sugar

- Focusing on gut health through a combination of anti-fungal treatment,

beneficial bacteria re-population, and digestive enzymes

- Detoxifying the body through a combination of chelation and natural

detoxification techniques like FIR sauna, NDF Plus, Zeolites, etc.

- Adding a pre-natal vitamin and B-12

During pregnancy:

- Maintaining all dietary approaches listed above

- Avoiding all vaccines

- Avoiding any environmental risks like lead paint, home construction,

cleaners and solvents, chemicals, etc.

- Avoiding antibiotics except in life-or-death situations

- Avoiding x-rays and sonograms, unless high-risk birth issues exist

- Continuing supplementation of pre-natal vitamins, probiotics, digestive

enzymes, and B-12

- Proper supplementation of mom's methylation cycle based on genetics

After birth:

- Maintaining all dietary approaches and supplements listed above while

breastfeeding

- Holding off on introducing solid-foods until at least 6 months

- Avoiding antibiotics for breastfeeding mom and baby except in

life-or-death situations

- Avoiding any environmental risks like lead paint, home construction,

cleaners and solvents, chemicals, etc.

- Supplementing baby with infant-safe probiotics

- Avoiding all vaccines for at least the first 2 years of life, and then

taking extraordinary caution

- At the right time (typically 6 months or older), adding proper methylation

cycle support

- At the right time, proper supplementation of Omega3-6-9

- Providing natural detoxification through things like Epsom salt baths

On the one hand, it's been " painful " to watch my daughter develop through

seven months now without the eczema, ear infections, severe bowel problems, or

sleepless nights her older brother experienced as his body slowly stopped

functioning properly. " Painful " because I feel like so much of his suffering

was

preventable. On the other hand, we are grateful every day for the wisdom our

son has given us about how to reduce the risks of autism for his new sister.

Are we out of the woods yet? Not remotely, we worry about autism for our

daughter every day. Part of me was too superstitious to put these words on

paper, but I hope other parents considering another child may benefit from the

insight we feel helped us.

One final word on vaccines. Some have wondered whether or not we would

consider vaccinating our daughter. Not anytime soon. Aside from the fact that

the

vaccine schedule has not been proven to be safe and that testing for it is

grossly inadequate, we also feel that for whatever reason we produce children

who react poorly to vaccines, based on the experience with both of our boys.

As free citizens, we are exercising our rights to decide which medical

procedures are safe for our children, and vaccines do not meet our standards.

Might

we change our minds as she gets older? Maybe, particularly for diseases like

Rubella that can cause real problems for girls.

Is autism preventable? We believe it is. A radical concept several years

ago, we feel it's a topic that deserves a lot more airtime today. Even

mainstream scientists are now acknowledging the role " the environment " is

playing in

autism. What if you could modify that " environment " to reduce the risks?

J.B. Handley is c-founder of Generation Rescue

[Guest guest]

Yes, that would kick up your mercury levels. I would either wait longer for a

baby or get the amalgams out later.

Barb

[ ] Thinking of trying for baby # 3 - What to do to

prepare?

Hi all! I have a 2 1/2 yr old son on the spectrum and a 4 month old

son who we obviously don't know about yet. My 2 1/2 yr old is fully

vaccinated including a flu shot while I was pregnant and I have 2

dental amalgams. My 4 month old has not been vaccinated and will

not be vaccinated at least until after he turns 2 however, I did

receive a flu shot while pregnant with him also and I still have my

amalgams. So far the baby is doing fine and exceeding all

developmental milestones - even has a tooth already! Naturally, I'm

worried sick about him everyday though - watching and waiting and

hoping and praying that he is " okay " .

My question to you all is, should I have my dental amalgams removed

before I try for baby #3 or will this " kick up my mercury levels "

and make me more toxic to a baby? Should I just leave them alone?

I definitley would not receive a flu shot this time around and would

not vaccinate. I'm just at a loss as to what to do about my

amalgams. I want them out but don't know if getting them out right

before I become pregnant is a good idea or not. Also, any other

advice about how best to prepare my body for a healthy baby would be

very welcomed.

Thanks so much!

Carla

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>

> Hi all! I have a 2 1/2 yr old son on the spectrum and a 4 month old

> son who we obviously don't know about yet. My 2 1/2 yr old is fully

> vaccinated including a flu shot while I was pregnant and I have 2

> dental amalgams. My 4 month old has not been vaccinated and will

> not be vaccinated at least until after he turns 2 however, I did

> receive a flu shot while pregnant with him also and I still have my

> amalgams. So far the baby is doing fine and exceeding all

> developmental milestones - even has a tooth already! Naturally, I'm

> worried sick about him everyday though - watching and waiting and

> hoping and praying that he is " okay " .

>

> My question to you all is, should I have my dental amalgams removed

> before I try for baby #3 or will this " kick up my mercury levels "

> and make me more toxic to a baby? Should I just leave them alone?

> I definitley would not receive a flu shot this time around and would

> not vaccinate. I'm just at a loss as to what to do about my

> amalgams. I want them out but don't know if getting them out right

> before I become pregnant is a good idea or not. Also, any other

> advice about how best to prepare my body for a healthy baby would be

> very welcomed.

>

> Thanks so much!

> Carla

>

Be sure you avoid eating all fish - tuna is the worst for mercury,

salmon has lots of PCBs and pestitides/flame retardants that

cause autistic behavior in animal studies too. I think it's what did

it to our #2 child.

[Guest guest]

While we're tossing around theories on autism, I'll add mine in:

Mandatory fortification of grain products with folic acid in the US started

in the mid 90s - around the same time autism levels started to rise. MTHFR

mutations seem to be common in autists, and I've seen several studies

linking at least some of the autism symptoms to a brain folate deficiency -

plenty of folate in the blood but not enough 5-MTHF in the CSF. The

synthetic folate: folic acid has to pass through the MTHFR enzyme to become

5-MTHF, whereas the natural form found in food is already 5-MTHF.

So, if it were me, I would avoid " folic acid " like the plague (including

fortified foods, which are mostly gluten containing so if you're already GF

there's not much to worry) and I'd suggest spending a bit extra to get a

better supplement that contains all of the folate as 5-MTHF.

-Lana

On 9/5/07, Mum231ASD@... <Mum231ASD@...> wrote:

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> Preventing Autism: An Emerging Hypothesis

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>

>

> - Adding a pre-natal vitamin and B-12

> During pregnancy:

> - Maintaining all dietary approaches listed above

> - Continuing supplementation of pre-natal vitamins, probiotics, digestive

> enzymes, and B-12

> - Proper supplementation of mom's methylation cycle based on genetics

> After birth:

> - Maintaining all dietary approaches and supplements listed above while

> breastfeeding

>

[Guest guest]

>>Also, any other

> advice about how best to prepare my body for a healthy baby would be

> very welcomed.

I have some info here

http://www.danasview.net/newbaby.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

> So, if it were me, I would avoid " folic acid " like the plague (including

> fortified foods, which are mostly gluten containing so if you're

already GF

> there's not much to worry) and I'd suggest spending a bit extra to get a

> better supplement that contains all of the folate as 5-MTHF.

I gave my son boatloads of folic acid for several months. I tried

folinic also, but either one was fine for my son. He was SEVERELY

folic deficient. Folic was very helpful for him for language and also

tolerance of mB12.

Not all kids need to avoid folic. For some, it is required.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thx so much for all the posts! I got some answers I did not expect

or even consider. I'm leaning towards leaving my amalgams in

because I'm not super young (36 in a week) and I don't have the

luxury of time to wait and get pregnant after removing amalgams and

chelating. My husband recently had 4 of his 7 amalgams removed -

still has 3 left. Could his amalgams play a role in the exposure to

the baby? I would like to do everything preventative that I can.

Someone mentioned not taking folic acid. Ever seen a prenatal that

didn't have folic acid? If you know of one please let me know.

Thanks again all!

Carla

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> > Preventing Autism: An Emerging Hypothesis

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> >

> >

> > - Adding a pre-natal vitamin and B-12

> > During pregnancy:

> > - Maintaining all dietary approaches listed above

> > - Continuing supplementation of pre-natal vitamins, probiotics,

digestive

> > enzymes, and B-12

> > - Proper supplementation of mom's methylation cycle based on

genetics

> > After birth:

> > - Maintaining all dietary approaches and supplements listed

above while

> > breastfeeding

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Certainly not everyone has issues with folic acid, but even if they don't,

5-MTHF is superior in terms of getting the methylation cycle going.

Folic acid requires two recycles* and a methyl group+ to become 5-MTHF.

Folinic acid requires one recycle* and a methyl group+ to become 5-MTHF.

5-MTHF doesn't require any recycling or methyl groups.

* When I say " recycle " I mean it passes through the DHFR enzyme. There is a

limited amount of this enzyme and it requires B3 to be used.

+The methyl group comes from DMG (cofactor: B2), MMG (cofactor: B2), Glycine

(cofactors: B3/B6) or Serine (cofactor: B6). This process requires the

folate pass through the MTHFR enzyme, so anyone with MTHFR mutations will

have decreased production of 5-MTHF. MTHFR itself requires B2 and B3.

-Lana

P.S. I find it interesting you mention your son needed folate to do well

with MB12... B12 is supposed to be methylated by 5-MTHF but MB12 bypasses

that (at least until it has been used once, then it becomes plain B12). Did

your son also have issues with TMG when he was folate deficient?

I gave my son boatloads of folic acid for several months. I tried

> folinic also, but either one was fine for my son. He was SEVERELY

> folic deficient. Folic was very helpful for him for language and also

> tolerance of mB12.

>

> Not all kids need to avoid folic. For some, it is required.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with removing fluoride as being very important. Avoiding fluoride is one

way we have gotten our daughter to not have uveitis flares for seven months.

Getting a whole house reverse osmosis system to remove fluoride is a goal of

mine. Currently we have reverse osmosis for the drinking water only. I don't

like the thought of it in the bath water. Fluoride is a trigger for autoimmune

disease.

I nursed all of my children. I meant to say for me, as a very toxic person, I

wonder if I did more harm to my children than good with my specific breastmilk,

not that breastfeeding is bad. I believe formula would have been way worse than

my breastmilk. I just question whether or not I poisoned my children with

chemicals in my breastmilk. If you only knew my family background with the

mercury and radiation from fallout from nuclear disasters, I have to ask myself

the question, is there ever a point where the amount of chemicals in a woman's

breastmilk outweigh the benefits of breastfeeding? I hope that my girls

breastfeed and I plan on chelating all of them to put them on the best footing

for that.

[Guest guest]

I've heard discussion of the problem with fortified foods before. It

is interesting, and does concern me. Another case of 'if a little is

good, A LOT must be better!'

But, MTHFR mutations are no more common in the Autism population than

the general population. I'm not saying I don't believe too much

folic can be problematic, but I wanted to point that out. Jill

, et al out of Arkansas has done work here.

Some folic acid is probably warranted, but better to get it from food

sources and not fortification. It will be nearly impossible to find

a multi without folic in some form.

Personally, if the amalgams are still in place while pregnant, I'd

avoid all things that cause disturbance or increased leaching of

mercury. Hot drinks, chewing gum, dental work are all possible

aggravators.

I love Omega 3 fatty acids. Follow a healthy diet. Some of this

will be luck of the genetic make-up of the little baby.

Only the best of luck to you! I wish you a healthy and safe

pregnancy, delivery and development!

Pam

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> > Preventing Autism: An Emerging Hypothesis

> >

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> > (http://www.rescuepost.com/rescue_post/2007/09/preventing-

auti.html)

> >

> >

> > - Adding a pre-natal vitamin and B-12

> > During pregnancy:

> > - Maintaining all dietary approaches listed above

> > - Continuing supplementation of pre-natal vitamins, probiotics,

digestive

> > enzymes, and B-12

> > - Proper supplementation of mom's methylation cycle based on

genetics

> > After birth:

> > - Maintaining all dietary approaches and supplements listed above

while

> > breastfeeding

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you are breastfeeding your 4 month old, you definitely should not

do anything with your amalgams. If you plan to have #2 and #3

relatively close together - and continue to breastfeed #2 right now -

you probably don't have time to do anything with your amalgams. If

your #2 is doing well - and continues to do well - that will be a

good indicator that your amalgams alone likely are not going to be a

big problem for #3 (as long as you don't vaccinate).

>

> Yes, that would kick up your mercury levels. I would either wait

longer for a baby or get the amalgams out later.

>

> Barb

> [ ] Thinking of trying for baby # 3 - What

to do to prepare?

>

>

> Hi all! I have a 2 1/2 yr old son on the spectrum and a 4 month

old

> son who we obviously don't know about yet. My 2 1/2 yr old is

fully

> vaccinated including a flu shot while I was pregnant and I have 2

> dental amalgams. My 4 month old has not been vaccinated and will

> not be vaccinated at least until after he turns 2 however, I did

> receive a flu shot while pregnant with him also and I still have

my

> amalgams. So far the baby is doing fine and exceeding all

> developmental milestones - even has a tooth already! Naturally,

I'm

> worried sick about him everyday though - watching and waiting and

> hoping and praying that he is " okay " .

>

> My question to you all is, should I have my dental amalgams

removed

> before I try for baby #3 or will this " kick up my mercury levels "

> and make me more toxic to a baby? Should I just leave them alone?

> I definitley would not receive a flu shot this time around and

would

> not vaccinate. I'm just at a loss as to what to do about my

> amalgams. I want them out but don't know if getting them out

right

> before I become pregnant is a good idea or not. Also, any other

> advice about how best to prepare my body for a healthy baby would

be

> very welcomed.

>

> Thanks so much!

> Carla

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Does anyone have dental amalgams (or had them while pregnant) and

NOT have an autistic child? Just curious if it's possible to have

amalgams, breastfeed and have the child turn out neurotypical.

Carla

>

> Certainly not everyone has issues with folic acid, but even if

they don't,

> 5-MTHF is superior in terms of getting the methylation cycle going.

>

> Folic acid requires two recycles* and a methyl group+ to become 5-

MTHF.

> Folinic acid requires one recycle* and a methyl group+ to become 5-

MTHF.

> 5-MTHF doesn't require any recycling or methyl groups.

>

> * When I say " recycle " I mean it passes through the DHFR enzyme.

There is a

> limited amount of this enzyme and it requires B3 to be used.

>

> +The methyl group comes from DMG (cofactor: B2), MMG (cofactor:

B2), Glycine

> (cofactors: B3/B6) or Serine (cofactor: B6). This process

requires the

> folate pass through the MTHFR enzyme, so anyone with MTHFR

mutations will

> have decreased production of 5-MTHF. MTHFR itself requires B2 and

B3.

>

> -Lana

>

> P.S. I find it interesting you mention your son needed folate to

do well

> with MB12... B12 is supposed to be methylated by 5-MTHF but MB12

bypasses

> that (at least until it has been used once, then it becomes plain

B12). Did

> your son also have issues with TMG when he was folate deficient?

>

> I gave my son boatloads of folic acid for several months. I tried

> > folinic also, but either one was fine for my son. He was SEVERELY

> > folic deficient. Folic was very helpful for him for language and

also

> > tolerance of mB12.

> >

> > Not all kids need to avoid folic. For some, it is required.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carla,

I'm sorry I've not followed this whole thread, but here's a copy of a

post I wrote to another mom on another list who wanted to get

pregnant.

" I used to read at ABMD and a doctor there spoke of supplementing moms

(maybe dads too, I can't remember) and in over 900 families (higher

risk families, like ours) not one child with autism or downs (this

doctor deals with downs children too). The supps (and I have them in

my notes somewhere, just can't track them down right now) were high

in methyl donors I believe.

I think I may have posted an article here some time back about the

researchers who were studying these agouti mice who have been

purposely bred to be fat, yellow, and prone to cancer and diabetes.

The researchers wanted to know if they could turn off the DNA that

makes these mice this way, instead of being slim, brown and not

disease prone as mice usually are.

They changed the diet of the mom mice before and during pregnancy.

They fed them a diet high in methyl donors. That was all. And every

last baby mouse was slim, brown and had a healthy full-term life.

Amazing! It was that simple.

Anyway, we all know how the methylation system is so crucial to our

kids' recoveries. I was just shocked that this knowledge could be

used to prevent problems in the first place. It also makes me think

about how our denatured, overprocessed, sugar and chemical-laden food

has contributed to all of the health problems our kids suffer,

including autism.

Sally Fallon spoke about this when I saw her, how Dr. Price saw

things like terrible tuberculosis rates in villages where the

traditional diet had been changed by missionaries, but in the next

village over, where the missionaries had been unsuccessful in their

influence, no tuberculosis. She gave quite a few examples.

I think lots of the answers are there for us if we want to have more

children. It seems much easier to prevent autism in the first place

rather than trying to undo the damage already done and that's very

encouraging for people who'd like to have more :-) "

Added on today: If you join the abmd group you would be able

to find that information about supplementation. If you can't find

it, just ask there and I'm sure someone would remember.

Best wishes,

Anita

>

> Thx so much for all the posts! I got some answers I did not expect

> or even consider. I'm leaning towards leaving my amalgams in

> because I'm not super young (36 in a week) and I don't have the

> luxury of time to wait and get pregnant after removing amalgams and

> chelating.

[Guest guest]

>

> I've heard discussion of the problem with fortified foods before. It

> is interesting, and does concern me. Another case of 'if a little is

> good, A LOT must be better!'

>

You nailed it with that one!, especially considering 400 mcg seems to be the

daily max that can be used. They are just now starting to discover that

megadoses of the folic form of folate can cause kidney damage.

But, MTHFR mutations are no more common in the Autism population than

> the general population. I'm not saying I don't believe too much

> folic can be problematic, but I wanted to point that out. Jill

> , et al out of Arkansas has done work here.

>

I guess it depends on who you ask. One study found that: " the compound

677CT/1298AC heterozygous mutations were more prevalent in the autistic

population, 25%, than in controls, 15% ( =0.01) " and " The data demonstrate

that 677C T polymorphisms, whether homozygous or heterozygous, are

significantly associated with ASD. The homozygous (TT) individuals are

reported to have an approximately 50% decrease in MTHFR enzyme activity, and

the heterozygous (CT) a 30% decrease in enzyme activity as measured in their

lymphocytes... The compound heterozygous state, 677CT/1298AC, which lowers

enzyme activity by 50-60%, was found to be significantly more prevalent in

the autistic group. Notably, only 2% of children with ASD in our study

presented without at least one polymorphism in the MTHFR gene. " (

http://www.jpands.org/vol9no4/boris.pdf)

-Lana

[Guest guest]

All my brothers and sisters have amalgams. They all have no signs of

autism in the 11 children scattered amongst them. I have four, only one

with symptoms, and mild enough that we've never had him diagnosed.

Actually, hidden enough. Once I joined this board, all his oddities

seemed so much more obvious since I was no longer relating them to just

his strange personality. He had a few obvious signs, but didn't affect

his life, we homeschool, so wasn't an issue. But, here, we are learning

so much more we see that at least an Asperger's diag would have been

made. Not anymore, now that we've used what we have learned here for

treatments though :-)

Anyway - yeah, I've seen parents with amalgams and no autism in

children. It would be good to know the incidence though.

Carla wrote:

>

> Does anyone have dental amalgams (or had them while pregnant) and

> NOT have an autistic child? Just curious if it's possible to have

> amalgams, breastfeed and have the child turn out neurotypical.

> Carla

>

>

[Guest guest]

The majority of the moms out there fall under this category. Many,

many, many parents of neurotypical children had amalgams in place

while pregnant. I think this is more accurate for us 'older' moms

(30s, 40s, 50s) who grew up in an age where amalgams were the only

option.

Two of my 3 children are NT. I had 11 amalgams. #3 has Autism, but

was NOT born with it. I believe all 3 kids would be 100% NT, despite

my amalgams, had I not vaccinated. That, however, cannot be proven

(can't go back and change it).

I suppose it depends on what NT really is!

Pam

> >

> > Certainly not everyone has issues with folic acid, but even if

> they don't,

> > 5-MTHF is superior in terms of getting the methylation cycle

going.

> >

> > Folic acid requires two recycles* and a methyl group+ to become 5-

> MTHF.

> > Folinic acid requires one recycle* and a methyl group+ to become

5-

> MTHF.

> > 5-MTHF doesn't require any recycling or methyl groups.

> >

> > * When I say " recycle " I mean it passes through the DHFR enzyme.

> There is a

> > limited amount of this enzyme and it requires B3 to be used.

> >

> > +The methyl group comes from DMG (cofactor: B2), MMG (cofactor:

> B2), Glycine

> > (cofactors: B3/B6) or Serine (cofactor: B6). This process

> requires the

> > folate pass through the MTHFR enzyme, so anyone with MTHFR

> mutations will

> > have decreased production of 5-MTHF. MTHFR itself requires B2

and

> B3.

> >

> > -Lana

> >

> > P.S. I find it interesting you mention your son needed folate to

> do well

> > with MB12... B12 is supposed to be methylated by 5-MTHF but MB12

> bypasses

> > that (at least until it has been used once, then it becomes plain

> B12). Did

> > your son also have issues with TMG when he was folate deficient?

> >

> > I gave my son boatloads of folic acid for several months. I tried

> > > folinic also, but either one was fine for my son. He was

SEVERELY

> > > folic deficient. Folic was very helpful for him for language

and

> also

> > > tolerance of mB12.

> > >

> > > Not all kids need to avoid folic. For some, it is required.

> > >

> > > Dana

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Amalgams were changed around the 1980s to make them less likely to leak Hg.

I wonder if there are specific versions of the amalgam filling that may have

caused these issues?

-Lana

On 9/6/07, noaholiviaian <phaselow@...> wrote:

>

> The majority of the moms out there fall under this category. Many,

> many, many parents of neurotypical children had amalgams in place

> while pregnant. I think this is more accurate for us 'older' moms

> (30s, 40s, 50s) who grew up in an age where amalgams were the only

> option.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes. My ASD son is my first son. My second son is very NT, without

any issues at all. I had amalgams in place during both pregnancies.

My NT son breastfed for 5 years and my ASD son for 4. The difference

between my two kids is their VACCINATIONS. My ASD son is fully

vaccinated on schedule, beginning at 12 hours old (Hep . My NT son

did not get Hep B but did get a few vaccinations, one at a time

spaced far apart. I DO think it was a mistake to give my NT son any

vaccinations at all.

Something to consider may be the quantity, size, and condition of

your amalgams.

> >

> > Certainly not everyone has issues with folic acid, but even if

> they don't,

> > 5-MTHF is superior in terms of getting the methylation cycle

going.

> >

> > Folic acid requires two recycles* and a methyl group+ to become 5-

> MTHF.

> > Folinic acid requires one recycle* and a methyl group+ to become

5-

> MTHF.

> > 5-MTHF doesn't require any recycling or methyl groups.

> >

> > * When I say " recycle " I mean it passes through the DHFR enzyme.

> There is a

> > limited amount of this enzyme and it requires B3 to be used.

> >

> > +The methyl group comes from DMG (cofactor: B2), MMG (cofactor:

> B2), Glycine

> > (cofactors: B3/B6) or Serine (cofactor: B6). This process

> requires the

> > folate pass through the MTHFR enzyme, so anyone with MTHFR

> mutations will

> > have decreased production of 5-MTHF. MTHFR itself requires B2

and

> B3.

> >

> > -Lana

> >

> > P.S. I find it interesting you mention your son needed folate to

> do well

> > with MB12... B12 is supposed to be methylated by 5-MTHF but MB12

> bypasses

> > that (at least until it has been used once, then it becomes plain

> B12). Did

> > your son also have issues with TMG when he was folate deficient?

> >

> > I gave my son boatloads of folic acid for several months. I tried

> > > folinic also, but either one was fine for my son. He was

SEVERELY

> > > folic deficient. Folic was very helpful for him for language

and

> also

> > > tolerance of mB12.

> > >

> > > Not all kids need to avoid folic. For some, it is required.

> > >

> > > Dana

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My experience with ABMD is that it is surreptitiously edited to exclude real or

useful

infomation in favor of this kind of drivel

> " I used to read at ABMD and a doctor there spoke of supplementing moms

> (maybe dads too, I can't remember) and in over 900 families (higher

> risk families, like ours) not one child with autism or downs (this

> doctor deals with downs children too).

Reasons I don't believe this:

That would require a far larger practice than most alternative doctors have;

With 900 families certainly some would be lost to followup before the doctor

knew the

status of the new babies.

Andy

[Guest guest]

Someone mentioned about amalgams after the 1980's not leaking as much.

My 14 amalgams were all pre 1985, so maybe that makes a difference.

I didn't have my amalgams removed until my youngest was two and we

quit nursing. We did use ro water for her for her first years. Only

the last 2 years before she got sick did we use non ro water, which

does correspond directly with her illness symptoms. We were also

remodeling with a lot of dust during those 2 years. No vaxes. No

chemicals in the house, except no voc paint and remodeling low toxic

products. We did have a flood and some mold. She ended up with still

a lot of chemicals in her hair test and an autoimmune disease. I think

that toxic mothers do a mercury dump during pregnancy and excrete

chemicals through their breastmilk. That's why I believe my daughter

is sick right now. Genetics can play a role to, and obviously, my

husband and myself genes leave something to be desired.

I would like to know more about how supplements can stop chemicals

from crossing the placenta to the baby or keep it from getting to the

breastmilk, because if that is true it is the first I have heard of it.

[Guest guest]

I disagree that you can see that the children seem OK and think it is ok to have

more. If you have amalgams, and you have maybe done your own hair test, and know

you are toxic, how can it not be a certainty that your body will dump chemicals

into your offspring?

We didn't see any signs of autism but we weren't looking for arthritis symptoms.

Looking back, even as a small child, #5 had the signs and symptoms of arthritis

but we missed them. Even the doctors missed the symptoms for a couple years.

We aren't just looking for autism, there are a list a mile long of diseases and

symptoms that mercury causes.

I would chelate the baby then, if having a child with amalgams, starting at the

earliest allowable age.

If the OP wasn't 37, she could wait until after she chelated, there would maybe

time to chelate and remove amalgams if she wasn't nursing still.

[Guest guest]

Carla,

I have 9 amalgams and two neurotypical daughters and one 4 year old

son who was born typical and developed well until he had 7 vaccines

in one day while ill with a terrible cold and then regressed into

autism (PDD-NOS). I did not breastfeed any of them but I fed them

all commercial formula which probably has more metals in it than any

breastmilk ever would. I wish I had breastfed them even with the

amalgams. Vicki

> >

> > Certainly not everyone has issues with folic acid, but even if

> they don't,

> > 5-MTHF is superior in terms of getting the methylation cycle

going.

> >

> > Folic acid requires two recycles* and a methyl group+ to become 5-

> MTHF.

> > Folinic acid requires one recycle* and a methyl group+ to become

5-

> MTHF.

> > 5-MTHF doesn't require any recycling or methyl groups.

> >

> > * When I say " recycle " I mean it passes through the DHFR enzyme.

> There is a

> > limited amount of this enzyme and it requires B3 to be used.

> >

> > +The methyl group comes from DMG (cofactor: B2), MMG (cofactor:

> B2), Glycine

> > (cofactors: B3/B6) or Serine (cofactor: B6). This process

> requires the

> > folate pass through the MTHFR enzyme, so anyone with MTHFR

> mutations will

> > have decreased production of 5-MTHF. MTHFR itself requires B2

and

> B3.

> >

> > -Lana

> >

> > P.S. I find it interesting you mention your son needed folate to

> do well

> > with MB12... B12 is supposed to be methylated by 5-MTHF but MB12

> bypasses

> > that (at least until it has been used once, then it becomes plain

> B12). Did

> > your son also have issues with TMG when he was folate deficient?

> >

> > I gave my son boatloads of folic acid for several months. I tried

> > > folinic also, but either one was fine for my son. He was

SEVERELY

> > > folic deficient. Folic was very helpful for him for language

and

> also

> > > tolerance of mB12.

> > >

> > > Not all kids need to avoid folic. For some, it is required.

> > >

> > > Dana

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

No, I said that amalgams leaked MORE mercury after that time frame,

when they began placing the high copper amalgam. I advise people who

wish to understand the amalgam issue to read " It's all in your Head "

by Hal Huggins. This book gives the low down on dentistry and

amalgams. The fact that you have 14 is a alot, whether high copper

version or not. It's a lot! I had this many but of the high copper

version. Either way it didn't help my infant to form a normal brain.

Mercury exposure in utero can cause a sensory integration problem or

miswiring of the brain.

If you had all those fillings while pregnant, that was a good

mercury source for your baby in utero.

Remodeling, if your home is older than 1979 can release a lot of

Lead dust, which will factor in during pregnancy and childhood.And

increase the metal burden for that child.

As far as I know, supplements won't stop the toxins from crossing

over. It will just buffer the damage that the toxins cause. But I

would also be interested if there were some truth to it preventing

damage.

>

> Someone mentioned about amalgams after the 1980's not leaking as

much.

> My 14 amalgams were all pre 1985, so maybe that makes a difference.

>

> I didn't have my amalgams removed until my youngest was two and we

> quit nursing. We did use ro water for her for her first years.

Only

> the last 2 years before she got sick did we use non ro water, which

> does correspond directly with her illness symptoms. We were also

> remodeling with a lot of dust during those 2 years. No vaxes. No

> chemicals in the house, except no voc paint and remodeling low

toxic

> products. We did have a flood and some mold. She ended up with

still

> a lot of chemicals in her hair test and an autoimmune disease. I

think

> that toxic mothers do a mercury dump during pregnancy and excrete

> chemicals through their breastmilk. That's why I believe my

daughter

> is sick right now. Genetics can play a role to, and obviously, my

> husband and myself genes leave something to be desired.

>

> I would like to know more about how supplements can stop chemicals

> from crossing the placenta to the baby or keep it from getting to

the

> breastmilk, because if that is true it is the first I have heard

of it.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know lots of mom's with amalgams whose kids are not autistic, they

are however, allergy kids, ADD kids, Learning disability kids,

behavioral problem kids, ADHD kids....moody kids...Mercury does not

cause autism in everyone, but it does a lot of other things.

I have read in more than one place that mercury exposure in utero

causes the baby's brain to wire differently than what it is

genetically supposed to be. this causes a number of problems in

childhood and adulthood. Mostly behavioral, and developmental. My

daughter is neurotypical, I carried her with 14 amalgams in my

mouth. She does however suffer from mood swings, and is mercury

toxic on hair testing. She is antisocial, over sensitive and hyper.

Impulsive and prone to explosions. She is not a " happy child " .

So she did become autistic but she got poisoned and will suffer a

life of SSR pills if I don't finish chelating her. They

scientifically have proven that mercury causes this in fetal brains.

It does change the pattern of wiring. In essence, every child

exposed to mercury in utero has some form of brain damage. I know,

harsh to say and sad, I cried when I read it, but from a scientific

point of veiw, that is how they stated it. So my kids are brain

damaged. So the baby might appear NT, and develop ok on some

fronts...it may have problems, that are not normal. Such as bipolar

disorder, ADD, etc.

Anyone notice the teens running around these days? The black

everything, the holes in their faces, the morbidity, the violence,

the lack of caring and ambition? Not all mind you, but a lot more

than when I was a teen and that was not too long ago. Most of these

kids were vaccinated in the 90's and have mercury poisoning. They

are NT kids...not autistic...

I am not saying someone should not have a child, that is not my

decision to make, just know that there is a risk. And it might not

be apparent right away. I chose not to have anymore, because by the

time I finish my chelation I will be 37 or 38 and not risking having

any at that age. But I chose not to have another that would be

toxic. I had two, and both have problems. One on spectrum, one on

the road to crazy. Not risking it.

If that mom tests her hair and is normal, then precautions such as

no vaccines, no fish, optimal nutrition like Nourishing traditions

to make a good baby brain, maybe. But in essence, breastfeeding with

amalgams would give that baby mercury too.

No one can make this decision for anyone else. We just give the

facts, and our experiences.

> >

> > Certainly not everyone has issues with folic acid, but even if

> they don't,

> > 5-MTHF is superior in terms of getting the methylation cycle

going.

> >

> > Folic acid requires two recycles* and a methyl group+ to become

5-

> MTHF.

> > Folinic acid requires one recycle* and a methyl group+ to become

5-

> MTHF.

> > 5-MTHF doesn't require any recycling or methyl groups.

> >

> > * When I say " recycle " I mean it passes through the DHFR

enzyme.

> There is a

> > limited amount of this enzyme and it requires B3 to be used.

> >

> > +The methyl group comes from DMG (cofactor: B2), MMG (cofactor:

> B2), Glycine

> > (cofactors: B3/B6) or Serine (cofactor: B6). This process

> requires the

> > folate pass through the MTHFR enzyme, so anyone with MTHFR

> mutations will

> > have decreased production of 5-MTHF. MTHFR itself requires B2

and

> B3.

> >

> > -Lana

> >

> > P.S. I find it interesting you mention your son needed folate to

> do well

> > with MB12... B12 is supposed to be methylated by 5-MTHF but MB12

> bypasses

> > that (at least until it has been used once, then it becomes

plain

> B12). Did

> > your son also have issues with TMG when he was folate deficient?

> >

> > I gave my son boatloads of folic acid for several months. I tried

> > > folinic also, but either one was fine for my son. He was

SEVERELY

> > > folic deficient. Folic was very helpful for him for language

and

> also

> > > tolerance of mB12.

> > >

> > > Not all kids need to avoid folic. For some, it is required.

> > >

> > > Dana

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I do agree with Vicki that the vaccines are the biggest problem.

More so than the amalgams. As states in some articles, babies born

to mom's with amalgams already have high mercury levels, the

vaccines push it over the edge of what a body can handle. Giving

large doses of Hg that cause profound damage.

Canned commercial formula is high in aluminum. Make your own if you

choose to formula feed. See Nourishing Traditions for how to do it.

> > >

> > > Certainly not everyone has issues with folic acid, but even if

> > they don't,

> > > 5-MTHF is superior in terms of getting the methylation cycle

> going.

> > >

> > > Folic acid requires two recycles* and a methyl group+ to

become 5-

> > MTHF.

> > > Folinic acid requires one recycle* and a methyl group+ to

become

> 5-

> > MTHF.

> > > 5-MTHF doesn't require any recycling or methyl groups.

> > >

> > > * When I say " recycle " I mean it passes through the DHFR

enzyme.

> > There is a

> > > limited amount of this enzyme and it requires B3 to be used.

> > >

> > > +The methyl group comes from DMG (cofactor: B2), MMG

(cofactor:

> > B2), Glycine

> > > (cofactors: B3/B6) or Serine (cofactor: B6). This process

> > requires the

> > > folate pass through the MTHFR enzyme, so anyone with MTHFR

> > mutations will

> > > have decreased production of 5-MTHF. MTHFR itself requires B2

> and

> > B3.

> > >

> > > -Lana

> > >

> > > P.S. I find it interesting you mention your son needed folate

to

> > do well

> > > with MB12... B12 is supposed to be methylated by 5-MTHF but

MB12

> > bypasses

> > > that (at least until it has been used once, then it becomes

plain

> > B12). Did

> > > your son also have issues with TMG when he was folate

deficient?

> > >

> > > I gave my son boatloads of folic acid for several months. I

tried

> > > > folinic also, but either one was fine for my son. He was

> SEVERELY

> > > > folic deficient. Folic was very helpful for him for language

> and

> > also

> > > > tolerance of mB12.

> > > >

> > > > Not all kids need to avoid folic. For some, it is required.

> > > >

> > > > Dana

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >