Guest guest Posted December 24, 2000 Report Share Posted December 24, 2000 Hello Vince,This is . Thank you for responding to my request for the zapper. I made me one from dr.'s book. I have it finnished and the led light is on, but I don't feel anything through my hands!Am I supposed to feel anything through my hands, with it being such low voltage?I'll have to wait till after the holidays to put a oscillascope on it. I am using it for my prostate. Her book says that it works bacteria of the prostate!Can you enlighten me on this? Thank you and Happy Holidays to everyone out there. . Re: Digest Number 397 > >Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 03:05:22 -0000 > > > >I would suggest all true people on this list join the list at > >http://www.quackwatch.com/00AboutQuackwatch/discuss.html > >Here you get first hand insight into just how enlightened these folks > >are, and hold them accountable to their own professed aims. > >Leo. > >---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > all trash working for the drug companies, get lost. > > > > > > LOL. Are you for real, or are you a troll who has come on the list > > > to make alternative medicine people look bad? A " quackpot " couldn't > > > do a better job of it than you are doing with your paranoia about > > > anyone who dares to question anything about Hulda or even > >about > > > anything at all on alternative medicine. Of course we should all > > > know that all alternative medicine and anything written about it on > > > the internet is true and good and anyone who dares to question this > > > is evil. I'm still ROFL from Fogg's highly amusing accusations of > >me > > > and the conclusions she has jumped to about me. > > > > > > But cheer up, jp, Joanie, and anyone else with critical > >thinking > > > skills, because there's now an e-groups list just for us called > > > Quackbusters of the Illuminati. See: > > > > > > QuackbustersOfTheIlluminati > > > > > > Description: > > > " This is a meeting place for the anti-alternative-medicine committee > > > of the Illuminati, where we can meet and consider our attack on > > > health freedom within the broader agenda of world domination. " > > > > > > Just give them the secret code that you got when you joined the > > > Illuminati and you'll be in. Gotta go now and get back to work on > > > that chip so we can achieve our target date for world domination! > > > > > > Pignotti > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > Learn more from: > http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > http://home.online.no/~huldakli/ > http://www..net/ > http://home.online.no/~dusan/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2000 Report Share Posted December 24, 2000 Hi , You might or might not feel the current in your hands. But one way to test the current is to check the voltage across the handholds when the machine is turned on. It should read between 4 and 4.5 volts dc. If you get a reading of 4.5 volts, you have built a very efficient zapper with very little internal loss. You start out with a 9 volt battery and the circuitry cuts the wave by half, yielding under optimum conditions, 4.5 volts. Sam Re: Digest Number 397 > > >Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 03:05:22 -0000 > > > > > >I would suggest all true people on this list join the list at > > >http://www.quackwatch.com/00AboutQuackwatch/discuss.html > > >Here you get first hand insight into just how enlightened these folks > > >are, and hold them accountable to their own professed aims. > > >Leo. > > >---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > all trash working for the drug companies, get lost. > > > > > > > > LOL. Are you for real, or are you a troll who has come on the list > > > > to make alternative medicine people look bad? A " quackpot " couldn't > > > > do a better job of it than you are doing with your paranoia about > > > > anyone who dares to question anything about Hulda or even > > >about > > > > anything at all on alternative medicine. Of course we should all > > > > know that all alternative medicine and anything written about it on > > > > the internet is true and good and anyone who dares to question this > > > > is evil. I'm still ROFL from Fogg's highly amusing accusations of > > >me > > > > and the conclusions she has jumped to about me. > > > > > > > > But cheer up, jp, Joanie, and anyone else with critical > > >thinking > > > > skills, because there's now an e-groups list just for us called > > > > Quackbusters of the Illuminati. See: > > > > > > > > QuackbustersOfTheIlluminati > > > > > > > > Description: > > > > " This is a meeting place for the anti-alternative-medicine committee > > > > of the Illuminati, where we can meet and consider our attack on > > > > health freedom within the broader agenda of world domination. " > > > > > > > > Just give them the secret code that you got when you joined the > > > > Illuminati and you'll be in. Gotta go now and get back to work on > > > > that chip so we can achieve our target date for world domination! > > > > > > > > Pignotti > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > Learn more from: > > http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > > http://home.online.no/~huldakli/ > > http://www..net/ > > http://home.online.no/~dusan/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2000 Report Share Posted December 24, 2000 Hello , I'm kind of new to the zapping, but can share what I've experienced... I personally want to feel something when I zap. You can increase the current so you can feel it and you'll increase the effectiveness of the zapping. Please, any one else with more experience chime right in. This is a refreshing break in the action of " he said, she said " that's been going on lately on the list. An aside for all the free thinkers with " critical thinking skills " who don't accept anecdotal evidence: Question: When a child is told a stove is hot, and he/she doesn't belive it and has to experience it for themselves, does the child still need to wait for a scientific study, ten or so years of time to pass, and billions of dollars to be spent before it is acceptable for them to believe that the stove is hot? Answer: Whether anyone else in the world believes the stove is hot or not is irrelevant to that child. The rest of the opinions don't really matter to that child - they know it's hot. That's why I won't personally join the HF list. We can't agree on the value of anecdotal information, so there's no possibility or reason for me to try and come to agreement on anything else. I whole heartedly support the right of everyone to discuss their views and have their own lists. My tolerance is very low for those who come to this list and haven't asked one question or made one comment about Hulda's protocols. They've just siezed every opportunity to criticize the ones who accept anecdotal evidence for the way they say things or question their critical thinking skills, etc. Conversely, I have no complaint against anyone who doesn't see things my way as long as they are totally honest about where they are coming from and show common courtesy toward the DRCLARK list members. Back to the subject at hand. , I don't know what kind of contact surface you have between the zapper leads and your body. The contact surface has an amount of electrical resistance which impedes the current flow. The less the resistance, the greater the current flow. The greater the current flow, the more you feel the zapping. If you are using a dry connection you have a high resistance connection and have minimum current going through you. If you're using a nine volt battery, you can't overdo it. Some zappers I understand have gone to 12 volts. What I will say next doesn't apply if you are using a higher voltage than this. There is a limit of course to how much current you want going through your body. Even my mainstream dentist uses a small DC current contraption connected to my mouth instead of novacain (by request), so there is no dissagreement whether DC current is safe in small amounts or not. Now, I use cheap grocery store sponges cut the full length of the sponge (about 4 " long or so) to about an inch wide strip. I use a short lenth of elecric fence wire and wrap a sponge strip section around part of each wrist. Coat hanger wire would work or anything that would hold the sponges to your wrists without being so tight that circulation is affected. It doesn't matter if the sponge goes all the way around the wrist or not. Clip the alligator clips on the end of the zapper leads to the sponge or the wire. Soak some water into the sponge. Start the zapper. If you can't feel the current use some salt water on the sponges. The more salt in the water, the more current you'll get and the more you'll feel the current. I use this same method to zap by attaching the leads to my ankles also. Personally, I'd definately try this if I was targeting my Prostate. Current channels some through the body. I can't say exactly how much, but it doesn't matter if it does or not if you make sure to cover all the areas of concern. That's why I connect the zapper to both my Wrists and my ankles. Can't comment on the Prostate bacteria specifically. I don't see why it wouldn't. You'll know if you feel better after the zapping. I do. Half way through the cold and flu season, I've already nipped in the bud a few beginnings of the colds, flu, and sinus problems that have plauged me in years past. Wish you the best. Let us know how things go. >From: " lin " <fwmill@...> >Reply-Dregroups ><Dregroups> >Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 397 >Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 10:47:35 -0600 > >Hello Vince,This is . Thank you for responding to my request for the >zapper. I made me one from dr.'s book. I have it finnished and the led >light is on, but I don't feel anything through my hands!Am I supposed to >feel anything through my hands, with it being such low voltage?I'll have to >wait till after the holidays to put a oscillascope on it. I am using it for >my prostate. Her book says that it works bacteria of the prostate!Can you >enlighten me on this? Thank you and Happy Holidays to everyone out there. >. Re: Re: Digest Number 397 > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2000 Report Share Posted December 25, 2000 hey LEO ,,if you call this house and don't ask for bear you don't get anybody ,,,us ol hippies have the names our friends gave us 35 years and none other ,,hope you all have a great day and a peaceful one before you resume your bickering ,,just through in a little information for us new folks from time to time thanks ,,,,,bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2000 Report Share Posted December 25, 2000 We are waiting for Lee to get on this list and criticize this fellow for not using his real name, true identity, etc. Leo -------------------------------------- > hi i'm new to the list ,,have been studying alchemy,, herbs and hands on > healing also boi fields etc,,,bla bla ,,,i'm using colloidal silver ,,and > the clark remedies ,,which are in direct conflict i know i'm building a > zapper Tues. ,,i also read what Tesla had to say abought radio waves ,,,i > have been messing with these things for 30 years or so but have not put them > into any organized study ,,i also use light an color ,,,all folks are > diffrent and we must find what works for each one through trial an error self > exploration ,,,i look forward to hearing of your experiences ,,,bear > barrett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2000 Report Share Posted December 26, 2000 Hi Bear, Glad you joined the list. I got here from the Colloidal Silver list where I first heard about zapping and other protocols. After I learned more about Hulda's methods I realized that it was what one of my brothers has been learning about for years. He recently sent me a box full of tapes and books about Hulda's methods with which to learn more. So far I've zapped several times and feel better after each one. Seems like the discovery that Hulda made about the first 7 minute Zapping killing parasites and releasing bacteria is noticable. After the first 7 minute zapping I got very tired and could have taken a nap. Instead, I followed the protocol and twenty minutes after the first zapping I zapped again. After the second zapping my fatigue was gone. Twenty minutes later I followed it up with a third zapping. Both my wife and I have zapped every weekend for three weeks now and definately feel better than we have in a long time. We weren't " sick " . That's why we haven't stuck to the recommendation we got with our zapper - " Once a day for thirty days and then as needed " . I realize that Hulda's opinion about colloidal silver places it in the category of any other toxin/metal pollution. From what I have learned about modern methods to properly produce colloidal silver, it has such small particles that it won't accumulate in the body like other metals. will. Anyone have comments about Colloidal silver good or bad? Vince Richter >From: BEARAIRS@... >Reply-Dregroups >Dregroups >Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 397 >Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 13:08:45 EST > >hi i'm new to the list ,,have been studying alchemy,, herbs and hands on >healing also boi fields etc,,,bla bla ,,,i'm using colloidal silver ,,and >the clark remedies ,,which are in direct conflict i know i'm building a >zapper Tues. ,,i also read what Tesla had to say abought radio waves ,,,i >have been messing with these things for 30 years or so but have not put >them >into any organized study ,,i also use light an color ,,,all folks are >diffrent and we must find what works for each one through trial an error >self > exploration ,,,i look forward to hearing of your experiences ,,,bear >barrett _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2001 Report Share Posted January 4, 2001 Hi Sam, here. My zapper has 4.30 volts , measured by digital.You said between 4 and 4.50 is good.I wet two pieces of salty paper towels and put the hand holds on each side of my testicals and do my zapping for my prostate.even between my legs, idon't feel anything.!should I?I will get it on a oscillascope soon.what is a safe voltage to upgrade to? Dr says in her book that all prostate problems goes away when you zap and do the kidney cleanse.I'm looking at the kidney cleanse now. But should the zapping kill the burning from the build up of the prostate?I have an appointment with the urologist the 17th.I have been fighting this for several months.I keep control of it with herbs.It's become chronic and the M.D.s want to TURP (cut) me.I have tried all the herbs and still on them.You don't know how bad I would like to tell them that I solved the problem!!!!Any help is appreciated.Thank you. --- Original Message ----- From: sam girouard <samgir@...> <Dregroups> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 397 > Hi , > > You might or might not feel the current in your hands. But one way to test > the current is to check the voltage across the handholds when the machine is > turned on. It should read between 4 and 4.5 volts dc. > If you get a reading of 4.5 volts, you have built a very efficient zapper > with very little internal loss. You start out with a 9 volt battery and the > circuitry cuts the wave by half, yielding under optimum conditions, 4.5 > volts. > > Sam > > > > Re: Digest Number 397 > > > >Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 03:05:22 -0000 > > > > > > > >I would suggest all true people on this list join the list at > > > >http://www.quackwatch.com/00AboutQuackwatch/discuss.html > > > >Here you get first hand insight into just how enlightened these folks > > > >are, and hold them accountable to their own professed aims. > > > >Leo. > > > >---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all trash working for the drug companies, get lost. > > > > > > > > > > LOL. Are you for real, or are you a troll who has come on the list > > > > > to make alternative medicine people look bad? A " quackpot " couldn't > > > > > do a better job of it than you are doing with your paranoia about > > > > > anyone who dares to question anything about Hulda or even > > > >about > > > > > anything at all on alternative medicine. Of course we should all > > > > > know that all alternative medicine and anything written about it on > > > > > the internet is true and good and anyone who dares to question this > > > > > is evil. I'm still ROFL from Fogg's highly amusing accusations of > > > >me > > > > > and the conclusions she has jumped to about me. > > > > > > > > > > But cheer up, jp, Joanie, and anyone else with critical > > > >thinking > > > > > skills, because there's now an e-groups list just for us called > > > > > Quackbusters of the Illuminati. See: > > > > > > > > > > QuackbustersOfTheIlluminati > > > > > > > > > > Description: > > > > > " This is a meeting place for the anti-alternative-medicine committee > > > > > of the Illuminati, where we can meet and consider our attack on > > > > > health freedom within the broader agenda of world domination. " > > > > > > > > > > Just give them the secret code that you got when you joined the > > > > > Illuminati and you'll be in. Gotta go now and get back to work on > > > > > that chip so we can achieve our target date for world domination! > > > > > > > > > > Pignotti > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Learn more from: > > > http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > > > http://home.online.no/~huldakli/ > > > http://www..net/ > > > http://home.online.no/~dusan/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2001 Report Share Posted January 4, 2001 Hi , You've posed some heavy questions to which I have no answer. Sorry. Sam Re: Re: Digest Number 397 > > > > Hi , > > > > You might or might not feel the current in your hands. But one way to test > > the current is to check the voltage across the handholds when the machine > is > > turned on. It should read between 4 and 4.5 volts dc. > > If you get a reading of 4.5 volts, you have built a very efficient zapper > > with very little internal loss. You start out with a 9 volt battery and > the > > circuitry cuts the wave by half, yielding under optimum conditions, 4.5 > > volts. > > > > Sam > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2001 Report Share Posted September 12, 2001 Dear Colleagues This is a note to inform you of the meeting of the Gloucestershire branch of the CPHVA held today, to which all local MPs were invited. The topic on the agenda was the draft NMC order and the omission of health visiting. We had an unprecedented attendance by members, reflecting the degree of concern felt at grass roots level. 2 MPs were able to attend our presentation and participated fully in the discussion. They gave us much helpful advice, which they suggested we pass on to colleagues up and down the country: orders usually go through Parliament as a matter of routine because they are simple and without any controversy given the huge controversy over this order each centre should write as soon as possible to all the MPs whose constituencies cover the centre area, asking for a delay to this secondary legislation, outlining the reasons why and stressing the fact that there is controversy. I attach our letter as an example. each centre should contact its regional MSF rep and inform them of the situation because it appears that there is some irregularity in the way the CPHVA has behaved One further piece of advice from the members was that if the open forum goes ahead on Oct 6th each delgate should come with a mandate to vote for the calling of a special general meeting of the CPHVA and to vote for/against the motions proposed by N.Humberside centre. At the moment it seems that the meeting will be a discussion but we cannot rule out the possibility that a vote may be called and we don't want to be caught unprepared. I do realise that putting this information out so openly may adversely affect all of us in Glos but we decided that it was worth taking the risk - this is how important the issue is to us. Please support us. Gill Newell Digest Number 397 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2001 Report Share Posted September 12, 2001 Dear Gill, I think you may have attached a file that you computer was working on or was open. I cannot open your letter. Can you try sending it again? Thanks, Digest Number 397 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2001 Report Share Posted September 13, 2001 Dear Gill I received your message but not your letter. obviously some blip in the system Please will you try again Thanks Pat Digest Number 397 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 Hello-- As we can see in yesterday's post, if we just click over another post and reply, without deleting everything else, we end up sending the entire newsletter, over, and over, and over. Thanks, Gene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Andy, My parents were also told by my ortho when I was a teen that there was nothing to be done about my condition. Both curves were over 50 degrees & get worse with my lungs & heart already being affected. My mother (God love her) was persistent & wanted a 2nd opinion - this back in the 60's when you never questioned a doctor! He told her I could see his partner who had just returned from Vietnam. I did & he told us about a new procedure he had read about in JAMA with a new device called Harrington Rods. Needless to say I was his 1st. Now as a nurse I would never be the 1st patient but he did a great job & it lasted me over 30 years before I really had problems again. Joyce T, RN Atlanta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Hi Joyce, Wow – our stories are very similar. I hadn’t realized that the Harrington rod procedure was such a recent advance when it was used on me – in 1973. Thanks for that info. I agree with you that I feel grateful that something was available for curvatures – even if it was far from imperfect. I was able to have a relatively normal life until my late 40s when everything started to break down. We’ve all been through so much, haven’t we. Best, Andy Re: [ ] Digest Number 397 Andy, My parents were also told by my ortho when I was a teen that there was nothing to be done about my condition. Both curves were over 50 degrees & get worse with my lungs & heart already being affected. My mother (God love her) was persistent & wanted a 2nd opinion - this back in the 60's when you never questioned a doctor! He told her I could see his partner who had just returned from Vietnam. I did & he told us about a new procedure he had read about in JAMA with a new device called Harrington Rods. Needless to say I was his 1st. Now as a nurse I would never be the 1st patient but he did a great job & it lasted me over 30 years before I really had problems again. Joyce T, RN Atlanta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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