Guest guest Posted November 3, 1999 Report Share Posted November 3, 1999 Depression....I see no reason why any of you can not take Paxil or one of those for depression. Many of us with liver disease...and other chronic diseases have depression. A good portion of PBCers take Paxil .....and their doctors do not say oh now you can't get a transplant. Also....some who take the Paxil also take Prednisone for rheumatoid arthritis. so check this out!!! Joanne C. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Description Paroxetine (pa-ROX-uh-teen) is used to treat mental depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and panic disorder. Paroxetine belongs to a group of medicines known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). These medicines are thought to work by increasing the activity of the chemical serotonin in the brain. This medicine is available only with your doctor's prescription, in the following dosage forms: Oral Oral Suspension (U.S.) Tablets (U.S. and Canada) Before Using This Medicine In deciding to use a medicine, the risks of taking the medicine must be weighed against the good it will do. This is a decision you and your doctor will make. For paroxetine, the following should be considered: Allergies—Tell your doctor if you have ever had any unusual or allergic reaction to paroxetine. Also tell your health care professional if you are allergic to any other substances, such as foods, preservatives, or dyes. Pregnancy—One study looked at the babies of 97 women who took paroxetine either at the beginning of pregnancy or through .......etc....site URL +++++++++ http://onhealth.com/ch1/resource/pharmacy/Drug/item,31954.asp +++{ Plus, there are many more to try if this one bothers you.... }+++++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 1999 Report Share Posted November 3, 1999 Kathy, ROLF ....I can totally relate to your not remembering sending that post..and I do wonder why your's didn't go right in..as it is done by computer....guess it was just one of those " gliches " Plus....gee, if I can get the wrong week of time change you are surely allowed to forget a posting from the week before. Sometimes I forget what I have written the day before..so *Smile* Joanne C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 1999 Report Share Posted November 3, 1999 Debbie and ..and all on Lactulose. I agree .....I only take it when I find I am not sleeping normal...meaning that I can't stay asleep and keep waking every two hours or even worse can't sleep at all and roam house all night. For THIS i\I take the nasty Lactulose. Actually that is the reason my transplant doctor prescribed it to me..not for fuzzy brain. And, as for me it does not help the fuzzy's either. Metamucil should keep you from constipation..but takes a few days after starting to get working....also, I suggest fruit, apples, or applesauce, peaches. etc. or oatmeal.or both. I have noticed that many of us tend to get diareah off and on..seems to go with the liver disease. Just keep some Charmin in the house.it is much " nicer " to you then others. A hint I got couple of years ago from Kandy. Kandysfl of Medical Meandering. Good luck. Joanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 1999 Report Share Posted November 3, 1999 ..The mucus could also be from hemmoroids....which are aggravated by our bm's yes..many spend a good half hour in the morning in the bathroom. It is so normal for me now..I do not care....I do not have green bile in mine but know of some who do.....to me it seems as if we all should....after all it is our bile ducts affected...so why we all do not have green bile I do not know....Joanne C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 1999 Report Share Posted November 3, 1999 Dear Joanne: Thanks for understanding about my belated post. I'm still chuckling over those brief moments of confusion I had while staring at that post from myself that I couldn't remember sending. I'm sure I had a classic 'DUH' expression on my face to go along with it! Have a good day! Kathy (AIH) Seattle area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 1999 Report Share Posted December 13, 1999 Re: Message 4- Light---I bought a small " Light Shaker " at a health fair several years ago. Have tryed it on some external stuff. Haven't really seen any significant difference in the healing time. Does that little thing really work? It seems so small and only requires a 9 volt battery. It wasn't cheap either! So, maybe I am not using it correctly. Can this help internal problems, like kidney irritations? Thanks, QiGIrl4U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2000 Report Share Posted February 2, 2000 In a message dated 2/2/00 5:45:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, onelist writes: << Why is it that there isn't one agency she can call - just one - where responsibility lies? It saddens me that after twenty plus years of research and information gathering, after numerous teachers leaving their profession from illness and disease and, after numerous articles written by school administrators, teachers and IAQ professionals - it is still the same old story. There is still no clean, clear-cut procedure to follow when IAQ problems surface in a school. >> barbara, what about lobbying congress to form such an agency? i'd help, even to the extent of visiting washington. i'd bet that many other victims and researchers would, too. just a thought. joanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2000 Report Share Posted February 2, 2000 In a message dated 2/2/00 5:45:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, onelist writes: << We probably need to start a list of companies to boycott (or maybe one of companies to give our money to--it would be shorter) Loreal stopped animal testing because of the boycott on their products. The only thing industry understands is money >> i agree that we need such a list. we need to form some sort of proactive coalition. joanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2000 Report Share Posted February 2, 2000 Barbara, Your comments on the frustrations one experiences when addresses a " potential " IAQ concern were so exact and put all of what I have been facing in a concise format. I feel I have been put down, laughed at and accused of being over-reactive. Add that to a night of listening to your 8 year old daughter cough, there are days when it becomes very difficult to keep marching forward when all you really want to do is grab your precious child and run. We learned today, quite by accident, that a member of the teaching staff submitted a request to the Dept. of Labor to investigate. The DOL apparently was meeting with the Supt. today; he, however, claims they have done everything within reason to prove the building is safe and will not comment on the fact that the parents feel the testing was inadequate. He told a local reporter that he would have no comment until the board meeting on Monday, the 7th. I am challenged with how to get parents informed of the inadequacy of the testing and get them to the meeting. I am considering door-to-door flyers, encouraging them to come and get informed. In the meantime, your article gave me some strength and so I will keep marching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2000 Report Share Posted August 1, 2000 Hi everyone, Gwen, if you are still on, does yourlittle toe just sit higher than he rest? mine does not go on the floor when I stand. On the bottom of my foot by the small toe is wherei have so much pain. It just radiates up my leg & into the lower back & hip. On both legs. I went to a podiatrist end of last year for callouses removal. he took x-rays. I have a pressure place on bottom of feet by small toe, but x-rays revealed no ulcer. I guess they are just from the callouses. Walking on hard surfaces causes the calouses, such asmy dining room & kitchen floors. I also want to know if AFOS cause hurting if a strap or whatever goes under the foot? Does everyone else have very widefeet? My medical Doc Gave me a shot by my spine on the side where i was having so much pain in my hip & leg 2 years ago. it was great. i moved like I was a lot younger!! LOL But Everything has its drawbacks, as I had leg cramps every night until the shot wore off, which was 6 weeks. I asked Doc what shot was. He said it wasn't cortizone. I would have to look for the paper that had the name of it. He was going to give me one on the other side, but I didn't want it because of the cramps. I also had those cramps when i was pregnant!! Terrible!! My foot would lock up & i couldn't get the cramp out. God Bless, Patsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2000 Report Share Posted August 1, 2000 Patsy, Lamar here, The AFO itself goes under your foot and is molded like the rest of it to fit. Some go the full length of the foot and some stop short of the toes. Visualize a big " L " wrapped around your leg. One or two straps attach to the upright, but your shoe holds the bottom part. ----- Original Message ----- From: patsy1128@... egroups Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 397 Hi everyone, Gwen, if you are still on, does yourlittle toe just sit higher than he rest? mine does not go on the floor when I stand. On the bottom of my foot by the small toe is wherei have so much pain. It just radiates up my leg & into the lower back & hip. On both legs. I went to a podiatrist end of last year for callouses removal. he took x-rays. I have a pressure place on bottom of feet by small toe, but x-rays revealed no ulcer. I guess they are just from the callouses. Walking on hard surfaces causes the calouses, such asmy dining room & kitchen floors. I also want to know if AFOS cause hurting if a strap or whatever goes under the foot? Does everyone else have very widefeet? My medical Doc Gave me a shot by my spine on the side where i was having so much pain in my hip & leg 2 years ago. it was great. i moved like I was a lot younger!! LOL But Everything has its drawbacks, as I had leg cramps every night until the shot wore off, which was 6 weeks. I asked Doc what shot was. He said it wasn't cortizone. I would have to look for the paper that had the name of it. He was going to give me one on the other side, but I didn't want it because of the cramps. I also had those cramps when i was pregnant!! Terrible!! My foot would lock up & i couldn't get the cramp out. God Bless, Patsy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2000 Report Share Posted August 2, 2000 Patsy-Hi! Yes, I have very wide feet but small only a size 8. I have a terrible time trying to find dress shoes that are wide enough for my toes. Jane >From: patsy1128@... >Reply-egroups >egroups >Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 397 >Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:26:53 -0500 (CDT) > >Hi everyone, Gwen, if you are still on, does yourlittle toe just sit >higher than he rest? mine does not go on the floor when I stand. On the >bottom of my foot by the small toe is wherei have so much pain. It just >radiates up my leg & into the lower back & hip. On both legs. I went to >a podiatrist end of last year for callouses removal. he took x-rays. I >have a pressure place on bottom of feet by small toe, but x-rays >revealed no ulcer. I guess they are just from the callouses. Walking on >hard surfaces causes the calouses, such asmy dining room & kitchen >floors. I also want to know if AFOS cause hurting if a strap or whatever >goes under the foot? Does everyone else have very widefeet? My medical >Doc Gave me a shot by my spine on the side where i was having so much >pain in my hip & leg 2 years ago. it was great. i moved like I was a lot >younger!! LOL But Everything has its drawbacks, as I had leg cramps >every night until the shot wore off, which was 6 weeks. I asked Doc what >shot was. He said it wasn't cortizone. I would have to look for the >paper that had the name of it. He was going to give me one on the other >side, but I didn't want it because of the cramps. I also had those >cramps when i was pregnant!! Terrible!! My foot would lock up & i >couldn't get the cramp out. >God Bless, Patsy > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2000 Report Share Posted September 7, 2000 Hi - I'm also new, and didn't get to see the response to another grateful newcomer who was having problems with crumbly bath bombs. Could I request that information be posted again? I would like to make beautiful perfect bath bombs, too! Thanks, sorry for requesting repeat information. Lu in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 Hi there Tara, I think that I am going to try the castor oil when I do the swishing. I haven't made it to the health food store yet to get the oil. I just bought The Juiceman's Power of Juicing (recommended by a lister). I've been absorbed in that right now. I started juicing today and started LL right when I got back and I already feel great. My upper abs were so bloated and my ankle was swollen (which neither has happened to me before) it kinda freaked me out! After reading some of the book I really think it had to do with the foods and food combinations I was eating on my trip. Of course, I ate things I don't normally eat like fried foods and lots of cheese. Any way, if you haven't checked out this book I recommend it! I've juiced before and I know the great benefits it has. I'll keep you posted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 Michele, are you doing the Atkins diet? I'm curious about this oil swishing thing...what exactly is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 TARA, THANKS FOR THE tips. also, I may be also doing them wrong. when you say we work the daiphram and not take air into the lungs during the inhale, can you pelase tell me how I can tell if it is the diaphram and not lungs. I think I am doing the lungs? Basically is it concentrating on making sure the waist area goes out..maybe that is why I am not loosing much on the waist. My legs are sore after doing ll , video 2, Mon night and the walking video by lesie samsone last night. It is fun and the mile goes fast. ttyl everyone, we will get there! Ellen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2000 Report Share Posted December 18, 2000 Hi Pia, I for one am glad you are posting here. It may be uncomfortable for the list, but I would hope people here would have the largess to give you a forum to air your anger and grief. And, I think your raise important questions. It seems many people on this list want to believe in Dr. without question. I for one think that Dr. 's use of the word cure is more a turn-off than a turn-on. I believe she would have much more of a following if she didn't make statements that sound like promises of a cure. She may be a humble person, but her statements appear to lack humility and consequently credibility. I have no doubt that her intentions are the best, but I think you are right to ask her and her followers to reevaluate how Dr. 's work is presented. JP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2000 Report Share Posted December 23, 2000 all trash working for the drug companies, get lost. >From: jp <jeannep@...> >Reply-Dregroups > " 'Dregroups' " <Dregroups> >Subject: RE: Digest Number 397 >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:44:12 -0500 > >Hi Pia, > >I for one am glad you are posting here. It may be uncomfortable for the >list, but I would hope people here would have the largess to give you a >forum to air your anger and grief. And, I think your raise important >questions. It seems many people on this list want to believe in Dr. >without question. I for one think that Dr. 's use of the word cure is >more a turn-off than a turn-on. I believe she would have much more of a >following if she didn't make statements that sound like promises of a cure. >She may be a humble person, but her statements appear to lack humility and >consequently credibility. I have no doubt that her intentions are the best, >but I think you are right to ask her and her followers to reevaluate how >Dr. 's work is presented. > >JP > > > >Learn more from: >http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ >http://home.online.no/~huldakli/ >http://www..net/ >http://home.online.no/~dusan/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2000 Report Share Posted December 23, 2000 > all trash working for the drug companies, get lost. LOL. Are you for real, or are you a troll who has come on the list to make alternative medicine people look bad? A " quackpot " couldn't do a better job of it than you are doing with your paranoia about anyone who dares to question anything about Hulda or even about anything at all on alternative medicine. Of course we should all know that all alternative medicine and anything written about it on the internet is true and good and anyone who dares to question this is evil. I'm still ROFL from Fogg's highly amusing accusations of me and the conclusions she has jumped to about me. But cheer up, jp, Joanie, and anyone else with critical thinking skills, because there's now an e-groups list just for us called Quackbusters of the Illuminati. See: QuackbustersOfTheIlluminati Description: " This is a meeting place for the anti-alternative-medicine committee of the Illuminati, where we can meet and consider our attack on health freedom within the broader agenda of world domination. " Just give them the secret code that you got when you joined the Illuminati and you'll be in. Gotta go now and get back to work on that chip so we can achieve our target date for world domination! Pignotti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2000 Report Share Posted December 24, 2000 , your post below implies anyone with critical thinking skills now has the opportunity to join the Quackbusters of Illuminati. Surely you understand there are people with critical thinking skills who may choose to avoid the egroup mentioned and further that there are people with critical thinking skills who may choose to remain a part of the Hulda group and yet further whose bias is to remain a follower of Dr. methodologies. C. Bond Re: Digest Number 397 > <snip> > But cheer up, jp, Joanie, and anyone else with critical thinking > skills, because there's now an e-groups list just for us called > Quackbusters of the Illuminati. See: > > QuackbustersOfTheIlluminati > > Description: > " This is a meeting place for the anti-alternative-medicine committee > of the Illuminati, where we can meet and consider our attack on > health freedom within the broader agenda of world domination. " > > Just give them the secret code that you got when you joined the > Illuminati and you'll be in. Gotta go now and get back to work on > that chip so we can achieve our target date for world domination! > > Pignotti > > > > > Learn more from: > http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > http://home.online.no/~huldakli/ > http://www..net/ > http://home.online.no/~dusan/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2000 Report Share Posted December 24, 2000 >, your post below implies anyone with critical thinking skills >now has the opportunity to join the Quackbusters of Illuminati. Did I? I'm so sorry I gave you the wrong impression. The Illuminati is a very select group of people, and Quackbusters of the Illuminati is even more exclusive. There are only a very few openings. Not just anyone can get in, critical thinking skills or not. Pignotti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2000 Report Share Posted December 24, 2000 yeah, apparently you have to have also the right bloodlines, infinite patience to stand in cashregisterlines, and a taste for dirt..perhaps entomological skills too..Joanie >Did I? I'm so sorry I gave you the wrong impression. The Illuminati >is a very select group of people, and Quackbusters of the Illuminati >is even more exclusive. There are only a very few openings. Not >just anyone can get in, critical thinking skills or not. > > Pignotti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2000 Report Share Posted December 24, 2000 I would suggest all true people on this list join the list at http://www.quackwatch.com/00AboutQuackwatch/discuss.html Here you get first hand insight into just how enlightened these folks are, and hold them accountable to their own professed aims. Leo. ---------------------------------------------------- > > > all trash working for the drug companies, get lost. > > LOL. Are you for real, or are you a troll who has come on the list > to make alternative medicine people look bad? A " quackpot " couldn't > do a better job of it than you are doing with your paranoia about > anyone who dares to question anything about Hulda or even about > anything at all on alternative medicine. Of course we should all > know that all alternative medicine and anything written about it on > the internet is true and good and anyone who dares to question this > is evil. I'm still ROFL from Fogg's highly amusing accusations of me > and the conclusions she has jumped to about me. > > But cheer up, jp, Joanie, and anyone else with critical thinking > skills, because there's now an e-groups list just for us called > Quackbusters of the Illuminati. See: > > QuackbustersOfTheIlluminati > > Description: > " This is a meeting place for the anti-alternative-medicine committee > of the Illuminati, where we can meet and consider our attack on > health freedom within the broader agenda of world domination. " > > Just give them the secret code that you got when you joined the > Illuminati and you'll be in. Gotta go now and get back to work on > that chip so we can achieve our target date for world domination! > > Pignotti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2000 Report Share Posted December 24, 2000 If we were to follow like with like, (which I don't advocate and wouldn't do myself) the folks would go join the quackers list pretending to want to learn all they could about the superiority of drug company sponsored studies. Then they would ask questions which exposed the inconsistencies and inadequacies of the conventional medical establishment. If anyone jumped down their throat about not bowing to the superiority of profit motivated marketing of the " health " practices, someone else could act offended and stick up for the downtrodden poor downtrodden. This would keep the list stirred up and fool some of the more naive people on it. That's exactly what's happened here in reverse. Vince Richter >From: leoelfie@... >Reply-Dregroups >Dregroups >Subject: Re: Digest Number 397 >Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 03:05:22 -0000 > >I would suggest all true people on this list join the list at >http://www.quackwatch.com/00AboutQuackwatch/discuss.html >Here you get first hand insight into just how enlightened these folks >are, and hold them accountable to their own professed aims. >Leo. >---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > all trash working for the drug companies, get lost. > > > > LOL. Are you for real, or are you a troll who has come on the list > > to make alternative medicine people look bad? A " quackpot " couldn't > > do a better job of it than you are doing with your paranoia about > > anyone who dares to question anything about Hulda or even >about > > anything at all on alternative medicine. Of course we should all > > know that all alternative medicine and anything written about it on > > the internet is true and good and anyone who dares to question this > > is evil. I'm still ROFL from Fogg's highly amusing accusations of >me > > and the conclusions she has jumped to about me. > > > > But cheer up, jp, Joanie, and anyone else with critical >thinking > > skills, because there's now an e-groups list just for us called > > Quackbusters of the Illuminati. See: > > > > QuackbustersOfTheIlluminati > > > > Description: > > " This is a meeting place for the anti-alternative-medicine committee > > of the Illuminati, where we can meet and consider our attack on > > health freedom within the broader agenda of world domination. " > > > > Just give them the secret code that you got when you joined the > > Illuminati and you'll be in. Gotta go now and get back to work on > > that chip so we can achieve our target date for world domination! > > > > Pignotti > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2000 Report Share Posted December 24, 2000 hi i'm new to the list ,,have been studying alchemy,, herbs and hands on healing also boi fields etc,,,bla bla ,,,i'm using colloidal silver ,,and the clark remedies ,,which are in direct conflict i know i'm building a zapper Tues. ,,i also read what Tesla had to say abought radio waves ,,,i have been messing with these things for 30 years or so but have not put them into any organized study ,,i also use light an color ,,,all folks are diffrent and we must find what works for each one through trial an error self exploration ,,,i look forward to hearing of your experiences ,,,bear barrett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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