Re: To Roxanna re Reece's costume

[Guest guest]

LOL- my son wanted to be Link from the Legend of Zelda... and then there was

the year he wanted to be Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz... hehe. This year,

he wants to be a Phillies ball player... unfortunately, I had to veto

carrying a BAT through the neighborhood, since he's in a little trouble with

the law right now as it is for throwing a screwdriver at his sister.

Anyone got any suggestions for dealing with puberty aggression issues?

( ) To Roxanna re Reece's costume

Dear Roxanna,

At least he wants to dress up as something recognizable. Owen always

wanted

to be something like a character in a computer game, so I had to explain

to

everyone that he was Yeet from " Boppin " or Azurblast from " Mystic Towers. "

I guess I should be glad he didn't pick something macabre, like the girl

who, when I asked what she was supposed to be, said " Dead " !

Jill

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/22/2005 8:38:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

Anyone got any suggestions for dealing with puberty aggression issues?

Go away on a long vacation...like two or three years. LOL Pam

[Guest guest]

Hello,

We didn't get to the puberty stage yet, But, why do you blame the aggressive

behavior on puberty and not just as it is, aggressive behavior? Like in ABA

they ask: What happened just before the behavior, to cause the aggressive

behavior, and what happened after that behavior?. I know a person that from

when their child was very young, always had a very good " excuse " for their

child's aggressive, verbally abusive behavior, and lying. Like, " excuses are " :,

its close to the child's bed time, another child caused the behavior, that was

the number #1 excuse for a long time. the child was hungry, as that same child

got older, the parents still have a reason for the child's behavior. many

reasons, but that child still has that same aggressive behavior, now, the excuse

for that same parent, same child is::PUBERTY. When I go to school to pick up my

child, I also hear parents say to the teacher, (that complained about their

child's aggressive behavior, in school.) say, its the beginning of

the school year, it will straighten out, or, I'm not comfortable with the

teacher, she didn't see what the " other child did first " . This may not be your

situation at all, but, did your child NEVER have aggressive behavior before?

" at all " , and it just started NOW with puberty? My child had aggressive

behavior, I worked real hard with correcting this problem because I saw what

happened with other families. I didn't have any excuses for his behavior, but

corrected it immediately as it happened. Either with his behavior and how he

should work with that, or I taught him what to do if someone was annoying him

and he had the behavior. (like, what to say to the person, to stop annoying

him). Now, if it happens once a month, that's alot. I still correct the

behavior, which is corrected. I still see the other parents, with excuses, and

the child's behavior worse... To me, it looks like a " drama story " . If this is

not your situation, I'm sorry, I just can''t believe all the stories I

hear from parents, instead of just working with the behavior.

ppanda65@... wrote:

In a message dated 10/22/2005 8:38:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

Anyone got any suggestions for dealing with puberty aggression issues?

Go away on a long vacation...like two or three years. LOL Pam

[Guest guest]

Seriously considering it Pam... hehe. It's no picnic here... but somehow,

I'll get through it. Don't we deserve the congressional medal of honor or

something? Yeah, I know, we love them... but jeez... it's hard enough

keeping typical sibs from killing each other, but some of us have kids who

are not only aggressive enough, but intelligent and creative enough to DO

it.

Re: ( ) To Roxanna re Reece's costume

In a message dated 10/22/2005 8:38:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

Anyone got any suggestions for dealing with puberty aggression issues?

Go away on a long vacation...like two or three years. LOL Pam

[Guest guest]

don't know who you think you are lady, but you don;t know me OR my kid. His

doctor and I agree that the testosterone surges of PUBERTY are causing

situations that would normally just make him annoyed to make him blow a

gasket. I DO correct the behavior when I'm here to see it, but I am in

college, and trying to make a better life for BOTH my kids. NO ONE has the

right to judge me

Re: ( ) To Roxanna re Reece's costume

Hello,

We didn't get to the puberty stage yet, But, why do you blame the

aggressive behavior on puberty and not just as it is, aggressive behavior?

Like in ABA they ask: What happened just before the behavior, to cause the

aggressive behavior, and what happened after that behavior?. I know a

person that from when their child was very young, always had a very good

" excuse " for their child's aggressive, verbally abusive behavior, and lying.

Like, " excuses are " :, its close to the child's bed time, another child

caused the behavior, that was the number #1 excuse for a long time. the

child was hungry, as that same child got older, the parents still have a

reason for the child's behavior. many reasons, but that child still has that

same aggressive behavior, now, the excuse for that same parent, same child

is::PUBERTY. When I go to school to pick up my child, I also hear parents

say to the teacher, (that complained about their child's aggressive be the

school year, it will straighten out, or, I'm not comfortable with the

teacher, she didn't see what the " other child did first " . This may not be

your situation at all, but, did your child NEVER have aggressive behavior

before? " at all " , and it just started NOW with puberty? My child had

aggressive behavior, I worked real hard with correcting this problem because

I saw what happened with other families. I didn't have any excuses for his

behavior, but corrected it immediately as it happened. Either with his

behavior and how he should work with that, or I taught him what to do if

someone was annoying him and he had the behavior. (like, what to say to the

person, to stop annoying him). Now, if it happens once a month, that's

alot. I still correct the behavior, which is corrected. I still see the

other parents, with excuses, and the child's behavior worse... To me, it

looks like a " drama story " . If thi hear from parents, instead of just

working with the behavior.

ppanda65@... wrote:

In a message dated 10/22/2005 8:38:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

Anyone got any suggestions for dealing with puberty aggression issues?

Go away on a long vacation...like two or three years. LOL Pam

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/23/2005 11:50:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

Hello,

We didn't get to the puberty stage yet, But, why do you blame the

aggressive behavior on puberty and not just as it is, aggressive behavior?

Like in ABA they ask: What happened just before the behavior, to cause the

aggressive behavior, and what happened after that behavior?.

<snip> for brevity

Good Lord!!

Since you readily admit that you aren't at that stage yet, WTH do you get

off?

It's a WELL KNOWN fact that kids with neurological issues can suffer EXTREME

distress during puberty. Far and away more severe that those of any typical

teenager.

And you havent' even dealt with an NT kid's puberty issues yet!!

I can assure you, my child, now almost 18, had to be hospitalized THREE

times during puberty for his emotional crashes. He was aggressive, which is

completely against his nature, as both Roxanna and Tammy will coraborate (sp?

the

damn word isn't in my spell check LOL)

He was totally and completely out of control, even attempting suicide.

My now 14 yr old has demonstrated an extreme escalation is HIS

aggressiveness as well over the last year. Not coincidentally, he is also going

thru

puberty.

Honest to God....

PS-- I;m sorry, but this crap REALLY pees me off. Please wait until you have

some kind of clue before judging anyone ELSE'S methods. TIA

Connie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/23/2005 11:46:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

Seriously considering it Pam... hehe. It's no picnic here... but somehow,

I'll get through it. Don't we deserve the congressional medal of honor or

something? Yeah, I know, we love them... but jeez... it's hard enough

keeping typical sibs from killing each other, but some of us have kids who

are not only aggressive enough, but intelligent and creative enough to DO

it.

Aint' it the TRUTH???

Can you imagine the public outcry when you appear on the 11:00 news, being

interviewed after one of your ASD kids injures or kills a sibling?? And you get

accused of being an unfit parent??

My own child has injured ME during one of his outbursts. I can tell you from

personal experience, it's mortally wounding to have to press criminal felony

charges on your own child.

Connie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/22/2005 8:38:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

and then there was

the year he wanted to be Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz...

I can't IMAGINE which of his " uncles " he got THAT one from. ROFLMAO

(sorry, I couldn't resist)

Connie

[Guest guest]

my son who is now almost 15, has really calmed down since puberty. I don't

know if it was maturity, puberty or what but the middle school years he was

volatile. We struggled with him at home, he was getting in trouble for

physical aggressiveness at school, the whole nine yards. He has been much

better

over the past few months though. Hope it lasts.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/23/2005 7:17:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

sara61145@... writes:

A co-worker said to me - I would beat

my child if they did that to me! I just let the comment go.....didn't

need the additional stress! -

@@ Oh, PLEASE!! I had a co worker like that. Anytime she heard anything that

did, she'd tell me. " Beat him. Just beat him. He needs it. " But

she'd have a freaking cow if anyone ever said a word about hurting an ANIMAL.

In

fact, she refused to allow our company to use ANY kind of trap to catch a

couple mice that got into our office, or to use any insecticide on the bugs

that

got it.

Some people, it's GOOD that they choose not to procreate. LOL

Connie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/23/2005 9:22:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

now if we can just get Nick and

Danny straightened out.

From your lips (dingers?) to God's ears/eyes, Tammy!!

Connie

[Guest guest]

I was not Judging you, I just explained what I've seen with a lot of parents. I

am sorry this made you very very angry, I was not directing this towards you,

but just what I've seen.

evilpenguin <evilpenguin@...> wrote:don't know who you think you are

lady, but you don;t know me OR my kid. His

doctor and I agree that the testosterone surges of PUBERTY are causing

situations that would normally just make him annoyed to make him blow a

gasket. I DO correct the behavior when I'm here to see it, but I am in

college, and trying to make a better life for BOTH my kids. NO ONE has the

right to judge me

Re: ( ) To Roxanna re Reece's costume

Hello,

We didn't get to the puberty stage yet, But, why do you blame the

aggressive behavior on puberty and not just as it is, aggressive behavior?

Like in ABA they ask: What happened just before the behavior, to cause the

aggressive behavior, and what happened after that behavior?. I know a

person that from when their child was very young, always had a very good

" excuse " for their child's aggressive, verbally abusive behavior, and lying.

Like, " excuses are " :, its close to the child's bed time, another child

caused the behavior, that was the number #1 excuse for a long time. the

child was hungry, as that same child got older, the parents still have a

reason for the child's behavior. many reasons, but that child still has that

same aggressive behavior, now, the excuse for that same parent, same child

is::PUBERTY. When I go to school to pick up my child, I also hear parents

say to the teacher, (that complained about their child's aggressive be the

school year, it will straighten out, or, I'm not comfortable with the

teacher, she didn't see what the " other child did first " . This may not be

your situation at all, but, did your child NEVER have aggressive behavior

before? " at all " , and it just started NOW with puberty? My child had

aggressive behavior, I worked real hard with correcting this problem because

I saw what happened with other families. I didn't have any excuses for his

behavior, but corrected it immediately as it happened. Either with his

behavior and how he should work with that, or I taught him what to do if

someone was annoying him and he had the behavior. (like, what to say to the

person, to stop annoying him). Now, if it happens once a month, that's

alot. I still correct the behavior, which is corrected. I still see the

other parents, with excuses, and the child's behavior worse... To me, it

looks like a " drama story " . If thi hear from parents, instead of just

working with the behavior.

ppanda65@... wrote:

In a message dated 10/22/2005 8:38:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

Anyone got any suggestions for dealing with puberty aggression issues?

Go away on a long vacation...like two or three years. LOL Pam

[Guest guest]

>

>

> In a message dated 10/23/2005 11:50:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> evilpenguin@w... writes:

>

>

> Hello,

> We didn't get to the puberty stage yet, But, why do you blame the

> aggressive behavior on puberty and not just as it is, aggressive

behavior?

> Like in ABA they ask: What happened just before the behavior, to

cause the

> aggressive behavior, and what happened after that behavior?.

>

>

> <snip> for brevity

>

> Good Lord!!

>

> Since you readily admit that you aren't at that stage yet, WTH do

you get

> off?

>

> It's a WELL KNOWN fact that kids with neurological issues can suffer

EXTREME

> distress during puberty. Far and away more severe that those of any

typical

> teenager.

>

> And you havent' even dealt with an NT kid's puberty issues yet!!

>

> I can assure you, my child, now almost 18, had to be hospitalized

THREE

> times during puberty for his emotional crashes. He was aggressive,

which is

> completely against his nature, as both Roxanna and Tammy will

coraborate (sp? the

> damn word isn't in my spell check LOL)

>

> He was totally and completely out of control, even attempting suicide.

>

> My now 14 yr old has demonstrated an extreme escalation is HIS

> aggressiveness as well over the last year. Not coincidentally, he is

also going thru

> puberty.

>

> Honest to God....

>

> PS-- I;m sorry, but this crap REALLY pees me off. Please wait until

you have

> some kind of clue before judging anyone ELSE'S methods. TIA

>

> Connie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/23/2005 10:38:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

littleweatherman@... writes:

Now these two people (my ds and my mother) could go round and round

in arguing, but they became extremely close. In fact, I believe she

came to love him more than she loved me.

((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))

As for things getting worse as puberty hits -- oh no! My ds will

turn 12 next month. At least with homeschooling him I'll be able to

control some of these adolescent things. Right? Right?

Um, one would hope, but don't hold your breath. <g>

Connie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/23/2005 11:00:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

Thanks Sara- that's what it's like for me. I leave to go to school, and he

tears things up, and ends up fighting with his sister, or melting down, and

I have to leave school to come home. I just quit a part time job because I

was afraid to leave him any more, I don't know what I would do if my husband

couldn't support us without me working...

YOU don't know?? I know you know me, Tammy. It's been HELL. I CAN " T work

because of him. I've tried. I keep looking, but I fear what will happen to us if

I don't find something, and I fear what will happen if I DO find something.

I'm lost. Completely.

Connie

[Guest guest]

I can assure you, my child, now almost 18, had to be hospitalized THREE

times during puberty for his emotional crashes. He was aggressive, which is

completely against his nature, as both Roxanna and Tammy will corroborate<<

LOUDLY agreeing... is one of the gentlest people I know, and is

horrified at violence. I was very worried when he was going through all

that, and I'm glad he's doing better... now if we can just get Nick and

Danny straightened out.

Re: ( ) To Roxanna re Reece's costume

In a message dated 10/23/2005 11:50:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

Hello,

We didn't get to the puberty stage yet, But, why do you blame the

aggressive behavior on puberty and not just as it is, aggressive

behavior?

Like in ABA they ask: What happened just before the behavior, to cause

the

aggressive behavior, and what happened after that behavior?.

<snip> for brevity

Good Lord!!

Since you readily admit that you aren't at that stage yet, WTH do you get

off?

It's a WELL KNOWN fact that kids with neurological issues can suffer

EXTREME

distress during puberty. Far and away more severe that those of any

typical

teenager.

And you havent' even dealt with an NT kid's puberty issues yet!!

I can assure you, my child, now almost 18, had to be hospitalized THREE

times during puberty for his emotional crashes. He was aggressive, which

is

completely against his nature, as both Roxanna and Tammy will coraborate

(sp? the

damn word isn't in my spell check LOL)

He was totally and completely out of control, even attempting suicide.

My now 14 yr old has demonstrated an extreme escalation is HIS

aggressiveness as well over the last year. Not coincidentally, he is also

going thru

puberty.

Honest to God....

PS-- I;m sorry, but this crap REALLY pees me off. Please wait until you

have

some kind of clue before judging anyone ELSE'S methods. TIA

Connie

[Guest guest]

Preachin' to the choir Sister... that's exactly what I'm afraid of.

Re: ( ) To Roxanna re Reece's costume

In a message dated 10/23/2005 11:46:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

Seriously considering it Pam... hehe. It's no picnic here... but somehow,

I'll get through it. Don't we deserve the congressional medal of honor or

something? Yeah, I know, we love them... but jeez... it's hard enough

keeping typical sibs from killing each other, but some of us have kids

who

are not only aggressive enough, but intelligent and creative enough to DO

it.

Aint' it the TRUTH???

Can you imagine the public outcry when you appear on the 11:00 news, being

interviewed after one of your ASD kids injures or kills a sibling?? And

you get

accused of being an unfit parent??

My own child has injured ME during one of his outbursts. I can tell you

from

personal experience, it's mortally wounding to have to press criminal

felony

charges on your own child.

Connie

[Guest guest]

> @@ Oh, PLEASE!! I had a co worker like that. Anytime she heard

anything that

> did, she'd tell me. " Beat him. Just beat him. He needs

it. " But

> she'd have a freaking cow if anyone ever said a word about hurting

an ANIMAL. In

> fact, she refused to allow our company to use ANY kind of trap to

catch a

> couple mice that got into our office, or to use any insecticide on

the bugs that

> got it.

>

> Some people, it's GOOD that they choose not to procreate. LOL

>

> Connie

>

>

I just had to chime in (boy I am so talkative this weekend!). My

mother was like that -- just give the boy a good beating, that's all

he needs. She lived down the hill from us and saw him every day but

just for short periods at a time.

Then we all moved to another state and pooled our money to buy a

house together. After several years of living together, she pulled

me to the side one day and apologized. After picking up my jaw off

the floor (this woman never apologized for anything before), I asked

her why she was apologizing. She said that she never realized until

she saw our ds day in and day out (24/7) what he was like. She said

she had raised two kids and thought she knew about parenting, until

she met our ds.

Now these two people (my ds and my mother) could go round and round

in arguing, but they became extremely close. In fact, I believe she

came to love him more than she loved me.

She died last year and it has been very hard without her here. But

my ds did cry and still misses her and still talks about her. This

is great as it shows that he can have empathy and can bond with

someone other than Mom and Dad.

So the people out there -- they just pop off because they don't know

any better. And what do they matter anyway? You know the truth.

As for things getting worse as puberty hits -- oh no! My ds will

turn 12 next month. At least with homeschooling him I'll be able to

control some of these adolescent things. Right? Right?

Getting off now as the house is getting too quiet.

P.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sara- that's what it's like for me. I leave to go to school, and he

tears things up, and ends up fighting with his sister, or melting down, and

I have to leave school to come home. I just quit a part time job because I

was afraid to leave him any more, I don't know what I would do if my husband

couldn't support us without me working...

Re: ( ) To Roxanna re Reece's costume

>

>

> In a message dated 10/23/2005 11:50:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> evilpenguin@w... writes:

>

>

> Hello,

> We didn't get to the puberty stage yet, But, why do you blame the

> aggressive behavior on puberty and not just as it is, aggressive

behavior?

> Like in ABA they ask: What happened just before the behavior, to

cause the

> aggressive behavior, and what happened after that behavior?.

>

>

> <snip> for brevity

>

> Good Lord!!

>

> Since you readily admit that you aren't at that stage yet, WTH do

you get

> off?

>

> It's a WELL KNOWN fact that kids with neurological issues can suffer

EXTREME

> distress during puberty. Far and away more severe that those of any

typical

> teenager.

>

> And you havent' even dealt with an NT kid's puberty issues yet!!

>

> I can assure you, my child, now almost 18, had to be hospitalized

THREE

> times during puberty for his emotional crashes. He was aggressive,

which is

> completely against his nature, as both Roxanna and Tammy will

coraborate (sp? the

> damn word isn't in my spell check LOL)

>

> He was totally and completely out of control, even attempting suicide.

>

> My now 14 yr old has demonstrated an extreme escalation is HIS

> aggressiveness as well over the last year. Not coincidentally, he is

also going thru

> puberty.

>

> Honest to God....

>

> PS-- I;m sorry, but this crap REALLY pees me off. Please wait until

you have

> some kind of clue before judging anyone ELSE'S methods. TIA

>

> Connie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At least with homeschooling him I'll be able to

control some of these adolescent things. Right? Right?

<<

Well if nothing else you'll be able to control WHERE he melts down, and who

is present...

And LOL about you getting off the computer because the house is too quiet- I

KNOW what that means... LMAO

Re: ( ) To Roxanna re Reece's costume

> @@ Oh, PLEASE!! I had a co worker like that. Anytime she heard

anything that

> did, she'd tell me. " Beat him. Just beat him. He needs

it. " But

> she'd have a freaking cow if anyone ever said a word about hurting

an ANIMAL. In

> fact, she refused to allow our company to use ANY kind of trap to

catch a

> couple mice that got into our office, or to use any insecticide on

the bugs that

> got it.

>

> Some people, it's GOOD that they choose not to procreate. LOL

>

> Connie

>

>

I just had to chime in (boy I am so talkative this weekend!). My

mother was like that -- just give the boy a good beating, that's all

he needs. She lived down the hill from us and saw him every day but

just for short periods at a time.

Then we all moved to another state and pooled our money to buy a

house together. After several years of living together, she pulled

me to the side one day and apologized. After picking up my jaw off

the floor (this woman never apologized for anything before), I asked

her why she was apologizing. She said that she never realized until

she saw our ds day in and day out (24/7) what he was like. She said

she had raised two kids and thought she knew about parenting, until

she met our ds.

Now these two people (my ds and my mother) could go round and round

in arguing, but they became extremely close. In fact, I believe she

came to love him more than she loved me.

She died last year and it has been very hard without her here. But

my ds did cry and still misses her and still talks about her. This

is great as it shows that he can have empathy and can bond with

someone other than Mom and Dad.

So the people out there -- they just pop off because they don't know

any better. And what do they matter anyway? You know the truth.

As for things getting worse as puberty hits -- oh no! My ds will

turn 12 next month. At least with homeschooling him I'll be able to

control some of these adolescent things. Right? Right?

Getting off now as the house is getting too quiet.

P.

[Guest guest]

I'm lost. Completely.

Connie

<< Not completely... I'm here... and I care... somehow we'll keep this house

of cards from blowing over.

Re: ( ) To Roxanna re Reece's costume

In a message dated 10/23/2005 11:00:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

Thanks Sara- that's what it's like for me. I leave to go to school, and

he

tears things up, and ends up fighting with his sister, or melting down,

and

I have to leave school to come home. I just quit a part time job because

I

was afraid to leave him any more, I don't know what I would do if my

husband

couldn't support us without me working...

YOU don't know?? I know you know me, Tammy. It's been HELL. I CAN " T work

because of him. I've tried. I keep looking, but I fear what will happen to

us if

I don't find something, and I fear what will happen if I DO find

something.

I'm lost. Completely.

Connie

[Guest guest]

--- Dawahooz@... wrote:

I CAN " T work

> because of him. I've tried. I keep looking, but I

> fear what will happen to us if

> I don't find something, and I fear what will happen

> if I DO find something.

>

> I'm lost. Completely.

>

> Connie

And what gets me are the people who think that the

answer to the financial stress is to just " get a job " .

I couldn't think while I was at a job anyhow-fearing

that the phone would ring and I'd have to go get

or he'd have forgotten something for the day

and need it. And, who could keep a job if they are

having to leave all the time for issues at

school-school calling because 's in the clinic

for the 10th time this year, etc. (Which we haven't

had in a long time-he's doing well, but you just never

know.)

Anything can trigger a panic attack or anxiety level

beyond his ability to cope. Get a job? I have one-a

full-time-even in my sleep-job. Easy for them to say

when they haven't a clue of what it's like. I carry my

cell everywhere in case I get a phone call. I even

keep it on in places that says no cell use because I

never know.....

Tom is possibly facing rotator cuff surgery and I am

freaking out about it because we can't afford to have

no income at the moment.

But I am so tired of hearing, " just get a job. " I

already have one. It's called being a mom!

In a perfect world.......(sigh).

Melinda

__________________________________

- PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

http://mail.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/23/2005 11:28:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

evilpenguin@... writes:

I'm lost. Completely.

Connie

<< Not completely... I'm here... and I care... somehow we'll keep this house

of cards from blowing over.

((((((((((((((((Tammy)))))))))))))))))

Many times, I don't know WHAT I'd have done without you. And . Esp.

during 's worst times. You really don't know how much it meant to him

that

weekend that and I visited while he was in the hospital, and every

one of your and 's kids WANTED to talk to him and give him support. It will

never be forgotten!

Connie

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In a message dated 10/24/2005 7:29:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

mlndhall@... writes:

And what gets me are the people who think that the

answer to the financial stress is to just " get a job " .

I couldn't think while I was at a job anyhow-fearing

that the phone would ring and I'd have to go get

or he'd have forgotten something for the day

and need it. And, who could keep a job if they are

having to leave all the time for issues at

school-school calling because 's in the clinic

for the 10th time this year, etc. (Which we haven't

had in a long time-he's doing well, but you just never

know.)

Anything can trigger a panic attack or anxiety level

beyond his ability to cope. Get a job? I have one-a

full-time-even in my sleep-job. Easy for them to say

when they haven't a clue of what it's like. I carry my

cell everywhere in case I get a phone call. I even

keep it on in places that says no cell use because I

never know.....

Tom is possibly facing rotator cuff surgery and I am

freaking out about it because we can't afford to have

no income at the moment.

But I am so tired of hearing, " just get a job. " I

already have one. It's called being a mom!

Ah, you haven't lived until you've been told you're " using your kids as an

excuse to be lazy " by living off their SSI. And called a welfare ho for getting

food stamps. The only thing that puts food on the table.Yeah, it's something

about YOU that keeps you from working.

Yep, it is. It's my CHILD. Personally, better to give assistance to families

like ours, than to put the kids in a home. God forbid we take money from the

Armed Forces, wasting billions a day for some useless (IMO) cause, but don't

let those welfare hoes be lazy.

Can you tell it's REALLY wearing on me?

Connie

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In a message dated 10/24/2005 8:59:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

johnvel@... writes:

The point is, it so easy for others to judge without walking the

miles.

The ones bitching the loudest are the ones with the least knowledge of what

they're bitching ABOUT.

Connie