Guest guest Posted July 21, 1999 Report Share Posted July 21, 1999 What is lactulose? I have heard of lactose and galactose, but not lactulose. I am lactose intolerant and need to take lactase. susan J >From: " Debbie " <debbie1m@...> >Reply- onelist > " Liver Support " < onelist> >Subject: [ ] Lactulose >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:34:52 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From errors-165537-3974-shireen42 Wed Jul 21 17:38:34 1999 >Received: from [209.207.164.227] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id >MHotMailB95FB309003AD82197ADD1CFA4E309550; Wed Jul 21 17:38:34 1999 >Received: (qmail 15665 invoked by alias); 22 Jul 1999 00:39:09 -0000 >Received: (qmail 15622 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 00:39:09 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mailhost.det.ameritech.net) (206.141.239.206) >by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 00:39:09 -0000 >Received: from oemcomputer ([199.179.191.179]) by >mailhost.det.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id ><19990722003829.FEEC16694.mailhost.det.ameritech.net@oemcomputer> for >< onelist>; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:38:29 -0400 >Message-ID: <001101bed3da$03c00640$0201a8c0@oemcomputer> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Mailing-List: list onelist; contact > -owneronelist >Delivered-mailing list onelist >Precedence: bulk >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto: -unsubscribeONElist> > >Hi All: > >I was just wondering how many of you are currently or have taken Lactulose? > If so, have you found that it does improve the quality of memory? Side >effects that you've had while on it? I had another appt. today at U of M. >My GI decided it was time to " improve my quality of life " . He has put me >on Lactulose although my ammonia level is normal. He said he doesn't care >what my labs are ... he is basing his decision on my inability to >concentrate as well as the brain fog that I have had for a few years now, >and the fact that I can't remember simple things anymore. Also, he has >decided that it is time to re-list me. A good thing? I am having >difficulties with this one emotionally. Yes, I would love to improve my >quality of life, but the thought of transplant really does scare me to a >degree. > >Thanks for anyone's input as far as the Lactulose. > >Debbie >AIH >Michigan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 1999 Report Share Posted July 22, 1999 , lactulose is a syrupy prescription that they give to liver disease patients. It is someone like Karo syrup, but not quite as thick. My hepatologist told me that this binds with the ammonia and the toxins in your system to help with the encephalopathy. Lori C. Liver tx 3~11~97 [ ] Lactulose >>Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:34:52 -0400 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>From errors-165537-3974-shireen42 Wed Jul 21 17:38:34 1999 >>Received: from [209.207.164.227] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id >>MHotMailB95FB309003AD82197ADD1CFA4E309550; Wed Jul 21 17:38:34 1999 >>Received: (qmail 15665 invoked by alias); 22 Jul 1999 00:39:09 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 15622 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 00:39:09 -0000 >>Received: from unknown (HELO mailhost.det.ameritech.net) (206.141.239.206) >>by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 00:39:09 -0000 >>Received: from oemcomputer ([199.179.191.179]) by >>mailhost.det.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id >><19990722003829.FEEC16694.mailhost.det.ameritech.net@oemcomputer> for >>< onelist>; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:38:29 -0400 >>Message-ID: <001101bed3da$03c00640$0201a8c0@oemcomputer> >>X-Priority: 3 >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >>Mailing-List: list onelist; contact >> -owneronelist >>Delivered-mailing list onelist >>Precedence: bulk >>List-Unsubscribe: <mailto: -unsubscribeONElist> >> >>Hi All: >> >>I was just wondering how many of you are currently or have taken Lactulose? >> If so, have you found that it does improve the quality of memory? Side >>effects that you've had while on it? I had another appt. today at U of M. >>My GI decided it was time to " improve my quality of life " . He has put me >>on Lactulose although my ammonia level is normal. He said he doesn't care >>what my labs are ... he is basing his decision on my inability to >>concentrate as well as the brain fog that I have had for a few years now, >>and the fact that I can't remember simple things anymore. Also, he has >>decided that it is time to re-list me. A good thing? I am having >>difficulties with this one emotionally. Yes, I would love to improve my >>quality of life, but the thought of transplant really does scare me to a >>degree. >> >>Thanks for anyone's input as far as the Lactulose. >> >>Debbie >>AIH >>Michigan >> > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 1999 Report Share Posted July 22, 1999 I didn't know that Lactulose is for memory loss and other effects of AIH until I read it here. My GI doctor who was treating me before I started seeing Hepatologists prescribed it but I thought it was for constipation so I didn't take it. I still have a huge bottle of the stuff but it probably isn't any good anymore since it's dated November, 1997. Does anyone know how long the stuff stays stable? Geri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 1999 Report Share Posted July 22, 1999 Debbie, Your doctor sounds caring and concerned in a very positive way. I wouldn't worry about being re-listed. It's kind of like a security blanket. He's protecting you in case something starts to go seriously wrong. Hope you're feeling okay except for the memory loss. Take care, Geri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 1999 Report Share Posted July 22, 1999 HI..the bottle should also show an expiration date.. === ISO B-family DOB 5-23-61 b-name: Compton *VOTE TO RE-ESTABLISH ADOPTEES RIGHTS TO KNOW THEIR FAMILIES** ---Geri Spang <spangs@...> wrote: > > From: Geri Spang <spangs@...> > > I didn't know that Lactulose is for memory loss and other effects of AIH > until I read it here. My GI doctor who was treating me before I started > seeing Hepatologists prescribed it but I thought it was for constipation so > I didn't take it. I still have a huge bottle of the stuff but it probably > isn't any good anymore since it's dated November, 1997. Does anyone know > how long the stuff stays stable? > Geri > > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 1999 Report Share Posted July 22, 1999 HI..the bottle should also show an expiration date.. === ISO B-family DOB 5-23-61 b-name: Compton *VOTE TO RE-ESTABLISH ADOPTEES RIGHTS TO KNOW THEIR FAMILIES** ---Geri Spang <spangs@...> wrote: > > From: Geri Spang <spangs@...> > > I didn't know that Lactulose is for memory loss and other effects of AIH > until I read it here. My GI doctor who was treating me before I started > seeing Hepatologists prescribed it but I thought it was for constipation so > I didn't take it. I still have a huge bottle of the stuff but it probably > isn't any good anymore since it's dated November, 1997. Does anyone know > how long the stuff stays stable? > Geri > > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 1999 Report Share Posted July 23, 1999 Hi Lori - Have you ever had to take lactulose? My GI prescribed it for me yesterday. So far it's not agreeing with me too well .. but I will stick with it. Could you tell me if you had any side effects from taking it .. if in fact you had to take it? And if you did take it, for how long did you? Thanks for any input. Debbie AIH Michigan [ ] Lactulose >>>Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:34:52 -0400 >>>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>From errors-165537-3974-shireen42 Wed Jul 21 17:38:34 1999 >>>Received: from [209.207.164.227] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id >>>MHotMailB95FB309003AD82197ADD1CFA4E309550; Wed Jul 21 17:38:34 1999 >>>Received: (qmail 15665 invoked by alias); 22 Jul 1999 00:39:09 -0000 >>>Received: (qmail 15622 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 00:39:09 -0000 >>>Received: from unknown (HELO mailhost.det.ameritech.net) (206.141.239.206) >>>by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 00:39:09 -0000 >>>Received: from oemcomputer ([199.179.191.179]) by >>>mailhost.det.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP >id >>><19990722003829.FEEC16694.mailhost.det.ameritech.net@oemcomputer> for >>>< onelist>; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:38:29 -0400 >>>Message-ID: <001101bed3da$03c00640$0201a8c0@oemcomputer> >>>X-Priority: 3 >>>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 >>>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >>>Mailing-List: list onelist; contact >>> -owneronelist >>>Delivered-mailing list onelist >>>Precedence: bulk >>>List-Unsubscribe: <mailto: -unsubscribeONElist> >>> >>>Hi All: >>> >>>I was just wondering how many of you are currently or have taken >Lactulose? >>> If so, have you found that it does improve the quality of memory? Side >>>effects that you've had while on it? I had another appt. today at U of M. >>>My GI decided it was time to " improve my quality of life " . He has put me >>>on Lactulose although my ammonia level is normal. He said he doesn't care >>>what my labs are ... he is basing his decision on my inability to >>>concentrate as well as the brain fog that I have had for a few years now, >>>and the fact that I can't remember simple things anymore. Also, he has >>>decided that it is time to re-list me. A good thing? I am having >>>difficulties with this one emotionally. Yes, I would love to improve my >>>quality of life, but the thought of transplant really does scare me to a >>>degree. >>> >>>Thanks for anyone's input as far as the Lactulose. >>> >>>Debbie >>>AIH >>>Michigan >>> >> >> >>--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 1999 Report Share Posted July 23, 1999 Hi Debbie, I took lactulose for 4 months, I really did not have any side effects that I can remember, if anything maybe a little upset stomach, but it helped if I took it right after a meal.Actually It does help quite a bit. Good luck!!!! Lori C. AIH Liver transplant [ ] Lactulose >>>>Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:34:52 -0400 >>>>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>>From errors-165537-3974-shireen42 Wed Jul 21 17:38:34 1999 >>>>Received: from [209.207.164.227] by hotmail.com (2.1) with ESMTP id >>>>MHotMailB95FB309003AD82197ADD1CFA4E309550; Wed Jul 21 17:38:34 1999 >>>>Received: (qmail 15665 invoked by alias); 22 Jul 1999 00:39:09 -0000 >>>>Received: (qmail 15622 invoked from network); 22 Jul 1999 00:39:09 -0000 >>>>Received: from unknown (HELO mailhost.det.ameritech.net) >(206.141.239.206) >>>>by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 00:39:09 -0000 >>>>Received: from oemcomputer ([199.179.191.179]) by >>>>mailhost.det.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP >>id >>>><19990722003829.FEEC16694.mailhost.det.ameritech.net@oemcomputer> for >>>>< onelist>; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:38:29 -0400 >>>>Message-ID: <001101bed3da$03c00640$0201a8c0@oemcomputer> >>>>X-Priority: 3 >>>>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>>>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 >>>>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >>>>Mailing-List: list onelist; contact >>>> -owneronelist >>>>Delivered-mailing list onelist >>>>Precedence: bulk >>>>List-Unsubscribe: <mailto: -unsubscribeONElist> >>>> >>>>Hi All: >>>> >>>>I was just wondering how many of you are currently or have taken >>Lactulose? >>>> If so, have you found that it does improve the quality of memory? Side >>>>effects that you've had while on it? I had another appt. today at U of >M. >>>>My GI decided it was time to " improve my quality of life " . He has put me >>>>on Lactulose although my ammonia level is normal. He said he doesn't >care >>>>what my labs are ... he is basing his decision on my inability to >>>>concentrate as well as the brain fog that I have had for a few years now, >>>>and the fact that I can't remember simple things anymore. Also, he has >>>>decided that it is time to re-list me. A good thing? I am having >>>>difficulties with this one emotionally. Yes, I would love to improve my >>>>quality of life, but the thought of transplant really does scare me to a >>>>degree. >>>> >>>>Thanks for anyone's input as far as the Lactulose. >>>> >>>>Debbie >>>>AIH >>>>Michigan >>>> >>> >>> >>>--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 1999 Report Share Posted July 23, 1999 Thanks Jody. I checked the date as I should have in the first place and it expired in December 1998. Guess this means I toss the bottle. Take care, Geri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2000 Report Share Posted October 14, 2000 Sheila, Lactulose is used to keep the ammonia levels in your brain down. I found out that this stuff causes diaherea because toxins only way to leave the body is through the sewer department. gayle/trans.6-99 galye@... ^0^ ` Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2000 Report Share Posted October 14, 2000 Sheila.... I`m not sure either .... my expeience was as treatment for portal systemic hepatic encephalopathy... I took it 2-3 times a day for the better part of a year... it set up a chemistry in my intestines whereby ammonia was retained in my bowels and even leached from my blood and eliminated helped by the laxitive action of the lactulose.. actually I believe I was off and on it as it is a very powerful laxitive....it`s been over 5yrs. years and my memory is fuzzy.... I do remember having to use baby wipes as my tush was sore from going so often.. It was not one of my favorite rememberances jerry Anyone have experience with using lactulose when you are 1) not confused 2) not constipated My doc just prescribed and I'm not sure why. Thanks, Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Jerry, I agree with you. I am on Lactulose and it causes horrible stomach pain and diarrhea. I took it an hour ago and have already been in the bathroom twice. My dr. has also put me on Neomycin (which I believe works hand in hand with the Lactulose). My stomach has been a mess! I have lost three pounds in the last week. Now if I could only lose the pregnant look, I would be happy! AIH in MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Joanne.... are you sure you are talking about lactulose? I took lactulose 2-3 times a day for a year as treatment for hepatic encephalopathy which I developed in end stage cirrhosis. Lactulosis a powerful laxitive which should be taken only under a doctors care and it is a prescribed medication. It is a sugar based solution that is contraindicated for diabetics. It works by drawing water into the digestive system , mainly the colon, the water leaches ammonia out of your bloodstream before it can reach your brain. Ammonia toxicity causes severe confusion, motor skill debilitation. slurred speech and eventually coma and death as your brain is oxygen deprived. I`ve had encephalopathy and it is a lot different than the brain fog that most of us are complaining about. Lactulose begins it`s work in less than 24 hours..believe me. When on lactulose one spends a GREAT deal of time on the toilet and diarrhea is normal. My tush was very tender and i used baby wipes to clean my self. It is a nasty drug. I never heard of it being a sleep aid. Actually when one has severe liver damage (end stage cirrhosis or close,) one tends to sleep quite a lot and if anything suffers from sleep reversal. I may be wrong but I don`t think a doctor would prescribe it for the type of brain fog we suffer which I think is related to the prednisone. There are tests that can be given to assess the severity of ones hepatic encephalopathy and this condition usually shows up in severely cirrhosed livers when the liver is no longer able to metabolize protiens and eliminate the resulting toxins (i.e. ammonia) By this time one usually shows other complications such as ascites,variceal bleeding, edema, intestinal infection and so on. It is a precursor to transplant. Even with the lactulose there is still a fair amount of confusion and clumbsiness.I would suggest from experience that one wouldn`t want to take lactulose if he/she didn`t absolutely need it. Long term use can lead to digestive tract problems along with chronic diarrhea. It is used as a life saving measure.(at least in my case) In all humbleness love and serenity Jerry Not only does the lactulose help reduce brain fog (by cleaning out the toxins to some degree) but it will also make it easier to sleep and stay alseep.it relieves the restlessness you can have at night. It should kick in within two (2) weeks. Call you doc. For myself, I take my anti-itch med Atarax at bed time.and it not only stops my itching but helps me sleep.without it I toss and turn. Joanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Boy, learning all this jerry, I am wondering why my doctor never prescribed any of these meds for me, when the papers said I have Hepatic Encephalopathy.Its been a yr. and a half. Im just taking my vitamins. Boy, do I have ALOT of questions for this guy. Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 Jerry, I knew I could depend on you to get to the bottom of things Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 Amy......rotflmao good one love jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2003 Report Share Posted June 7, 2003 Marty, Ah Lactulose, Jerry & I can speak volumes on this. First Marty, when you see the Dr. next week have him change you from Lactulose to Kristalose. It will be like moving from cherry cough syrup to a fine blush chablis. You will actually look forward to taking it. Kristalose comes in a power, I empty the pouch into a glass, pour in I/2 cranberry juice, mix well then add water. delicious! The color you won't have much control over, if you have to take lactulose, they are probably light. What you do want is big, fat, semi-firm and fluffy. My dose is twice yours, 30 cc's 4 times a day. Over a week should be long enough, maybe you need a bit longer, sorry, I don't know if you are taking too much or too little. I hope there are answers from somewhere else. I urge you to have him change your prescription! Kristalose is new & improved! Patty -----Original Message-----From: msaire [mailto:msaire@...] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: [ ] Lactulose O.K. Now, I have been on Lactulose for over a week. All it has done is make me extremely gassy, crampy, and decreased my appetite. My GI said the goal was two bowel movements per day, but all I am getting is a little bit here and there. No major stools that I can remember. Also the stools are thin, light tan to yellow. I am taking 30 cc twice daily. Does this mean it isn't working, should I increase the dose or what? Of course I will ask the doctor next week, but I wondered what others have experienced? Marty Re: [ ] Digest Number 3143 Regarding Tums, here's a passage I extracted from the New York Times article by Jane Brody: I sent the entire article to Jan."The least expensive source of supplemental calcium is calcium carbonate (products like Tums) but the best absorbed (and less constipating) is likely to be calcium citrate, for example, Citracal with D. Be sure to read the ingredients and directions carefully before buying it."Harper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2003 Report Share Posted June 7, 2003 Hi Marty.....Lactulose didnt work for me because after a week or so it was clear I was blocked somewhere. Youve got my sympathy. Because of my experience I would advise you to seek your doctor's opinion especially if you suffer bad crampy pain or more severe 'pain'. Sorry I cant be of more help. Others may have a solution. Love Jan Re: [ ] Digest Number 3143 Regarding Tums, here's a passage I extracted from the New York Times article by Jane Brody: I sent the entire article to Jan."The least expensive source of supplemental calcium is calcium carbonate (products like Tums) but the best absorbed (and less constipating) is likely to be calcium citrate, for example, Citracal with D. Be sure to read the ingredients and directions carefully before buying it."Harper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Jan: I think enough is coming through that I am not completely blocked somewhere, but I know there is a lot more being held back. I will call the doc tomorrow. Patty: Thanks for the advice re: the Kristalose. I will ask about that as well. The Lactulose really gags me. I hate sweet beverages, especially sweet and syrupy! I have been diluting it with water and slugging it down..... Happy Sunday everyone! Marty Re: [ ] Digest Number 3143 Regarding Tums, here's a passage I extracted from the New York Times article by Jane Brody: I sent the entire article to Jan."The least expensive source of supplemental calcium is calcium carbonate (products like Tums) but the best absorbed (and less constipating) is likely to be calcium citrate, for example, Citracal with D. Be sure to read the ingredients and directions carefully before buying it."Harper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Patty, I'm worried about you. You must be feeling poorly if you think the switch is like having a fine Chablis. (Ha Ha) I can talk to you about the Lactulose but if the new stuff is like a Chablis I'm sure I'll switch. You really have me sold. Hang in there Marty, when it starts working you will definitely not have to ask. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Bozena: I think it's pitiful that one of my big concerns is the color, size and consistency of my stools. Who would have thought??? Until you have been constipated, though, how would you know? I am not jaundiced, but my stools have been this light color for some time. I am still awaiting results of the liver biopsy I had one week ago today. I called Friday and the results were not available yet so I am still waiting. In the meantime, it is a beautiful sunny and cool day here in Northern Michigan and I am going to muster the energy to take my two Airedales for a walk. Thanks for your input. Marty Lactulose>> O.K. Now, I have been on Lactulose for over a week. All it has done ismake me extremely gassy, crampy, and decreased my appetite. My GI said thegoal was two bowel movements per day, but all I am getting is a little bithere and there. No major stools that I can remember. Also the stools arethin, light tan to yellow. I am taking 30 cc twice daily. Does this meanit isn't working, should I increase the dose or what? Of course I will askthe doctor next week, but I wondered what others have experienced?> Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Now , Are you suggesting the use of 'fine and Chablis together is an oxymoron... like jumbo shrimp or fiery ice? I used to think of Chablis as the stuff that came in a California jug however I found I was very wrong during a wine tour of France (too many years ago when I could enjoy wine tastings without volunteering to be the designated driver). There are some really good Chablis wines, what I didn't know until later is that it is a single vineyard young chardonnay... If I misunderstood your comment sorry... Kristalose really is better. Patty Patty -----Original Message-----From: MKANTZLE@... [mailto:MKANTZLE@...] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [ ] LactulosePatty,I'm worried about you. You must be feeling poorly if you think the switch is like having a fine Chablis. (Ha Ha) I can talk to you about the Lactulose but if the new stuff is like a Chablis I'm sure I'll switch. You really have me sold. Hang in there Marty, when it starts working you will definitely not have to ask. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Patty..I was barred from all wine tastings as I just couldn't grasp the concept exactly... love jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Jerry, is that because you wouldn't ungrasp the glass? Patty RE: [ ] Lactulose Patty..I was barred from all wine tastings as I just couldn't grasp the concept exactly... love jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Well that too.....but it was that " tasting " thing that got me....apparently tasting doesn't mean guzzling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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