Re: extreme articulation problems-cross posted

[Guest guest]

His BMs have always been good. I haven't seen any good results with

the supplementation, in fact I have seen him get more hyper and less

focused. The reasons the Dr. gave me to not start are ridiculous.

I took him to his regular pediatrician, told her what the guy had

said (high blood sugar...she tested it, it was ok, low iron...she

tested it, it was ok, I told her the liver enzyme he said that was

elevated and she said it was high in all growing children). He

already prescribed the TD-DMPS so I have it and could start if I

wanted to. I just wouldn't be able to monitor his levels and know

if he was deficient in anything. He hasn't been tested for virals

at all which I do wonder about!

> > > > >

> > > > > <tt>

> > > > > Hi,<BR>

> > > > > My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds like

a

> > vowel

> > > > <BR>

> > > > > sound. He has been getting speech since he was 2, didn't

say

> > any

> > > > <BR>

> > > > > words at all until almost 3, had some D, N and T sounds

> > > (sometimes

> > > > M <BR>

> > > > > and and has lost all of those sounds. He attempts to

> speak

> > > > anytime <BR>

> > > > > you ask him (like we'll say " say popsicle " and he'll say

uh

> ih

> > uh

> > > > with <BR>

> > > > > the correct rhythm). It's like his mouth won't work or he

> > can't

> > > > make <BR>

> > > > > it move. I've been told he doesn't have apraxia because

he

> > > > doesn't <BR>

> > > > > grope for the words. Does anyone have a child with this

> > extreme

> > > > <BR>

> > > > > articulation problem? If so, have you done anything that

has

> > > > worked? <BR>

> > > > > Is this something that will get better after chelation? I

> > never

> > > > hear <BR>

> > > > > anyone talk about this...they talk about nonverbal but not

> > severe

> > > > <BR>

> > > > > articulation problems. I just need to know there is hope

for

> > my

> > > > son! <BR>

> > > > > Thanks,<BR>

> > > > > Dannene<BR>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > _______________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Now that I've read your post and explanations I realize that I did

try the nordic naturals in the past, when my son was non-verbal. It

didn't work then but it may work now that he is trying to talk. I

think I " ll try it and see again! Thanks!

>

> Nordic Naturals does make a cod liver oil, but also fish oil in

> varying concentrations/formulations.

>

> Cod liver oil really doesn't have much of the Omega 3s compared to

> fish oil. Fish oils (oils not from the liver) will have much

higher

> levels of EPA/DHA for the brain and added borage oil (or other

omega

> 6) for the GLA. CLO has the vitamins A and D.

>

> Kirkmans markets fish oils, too, I assume. The reason I tout the

NN

> ProEFA is because so many parents of kids with Apraxia and other

> language disorders report progress with the ProEFA. I can tell

you

> my story: within 48 hours of switching from another fish oil to

> ProEFA my son started repeating words. He went from near silence

to

> wanting to label everything. It was very unclear, but that

> articulation came slowly over the next year. His SLP of 18 months

> was floored!

>

> We still deal with articulation issues, but progress is being made

> daily. My son also has Autism and a receptive language delay, so

> that greatly complicates things. I am seeing an increased rate of

> improvement since starting chelation with ALA.

>

> I wish you luck. There is a book out there by

[Guest guest]

Valentina...what are those, where can I find them and how much

should I give him?

>

> My son's speech became more clear and he started learning more

words when I

> gave him Piracetam and Lecithin.

>

>

> Valentina

>

>

> > My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds like a vowel

> > sound. He has been getting speech since he was 2, didn't say any

> > words at all until almost 3, had some D, N and T sounds

(sometimes M

> > and and has lost all of those sounds. He attempts to speak

anytime

> > you ask him (like we'll say " say popsicle " and he'll say uh ih

uh with

> > the correct rhythm).

>

[Guest guest]

Beti..the problem is he can't make any consonant sounds to even try

blending. On his IEP the goals indicate something similar to what

you are saying but I don't think they are intensive about it. I'll

have to ask!

> > > >

> > > > <tt>

> > > > Hi,<BR>

> > > > My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds like a

> vowel

> > > <BR>

> > > > sound. He has been getting speech since he was 2, didn't

say

> any

> > > <BR>

> > > > words at all until almost 3, had some D, N and T sounds

> > (sometimes

> > > M <BR>

> > > > and and has lost all of those sounds. He attempts to

speak

> > > anytime <BR>

> > > > you ask him (like we'll say " say popsicle " and he'll say uh

ih

> uh

> > > with <BR>

> > > > the correct rhythm). It's like his mouth won't work or he

> can't

> > > make <BR>

> > > > it move. I've been told he doesn't have apraxia because he

> > > doesn't <BR>

> > > > grope for the words. Does anyone have a child with this

> extreme

> > > <BR>

> > > > articulation problem? If so, have you done anything that

has

> > > worked? <BR>

> > > > Is this something that will get better after chelation? I

> never

> > > hear <BR>

> > > > anyone talk about this...they talk about nonverbal but not

> severe

> > > <BR>

> > > > articulation problems. I just need to know there is hope

for

> my

> > > son! <BR>

> > > > Thanks,<BR>

> > > > Dannene<BR>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _______________________________________________

> > > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

> > > > The most personalized portal on the Web!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

[Guest guest]

My son's speech became more clear and he started learning more words when I

gave him Piracetam and Lecithin.

Valentina

> My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds like a vowel

> sound. He has been getting speech since he was 2, didn't say any

> words at all until almost 3, had some D, N and T sounds (sometimes M

> and and has lost all of those sounds. He attempts to speak anytime

> you ask him (like we'll say " say popsicle " and he'll say uh ih uh with

> the correct rhythm).

[Guest guest]

If I were you, I would probably start chelating, low and slow and

proper protocol, and find another doctor. Why did you choose TD-DMPS

over an oral chelators?

Anne

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <tt>

> > > > > > Hi,<BR>

> > > > > > My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds like

> a

> > > vowel

> > > > > <BR>

> > > > > > sound. He has been getting speech since he was 2, didn't

> say

> > > any

> > > > > <BR>

> > > > > > words at all until almost 3, had some D, N and T sounds

> > > > (sometimes

> > > > > M <BR>

> > > > > > and and has lost all of those sounds. He attempts to

> > speak

> > > > > anytime <BR>

> > > > > > you ask him (like we'll say " say popsicle " and he'll say

> uh

> > ih

> > > uh

> > > > > with <BR>

> > > > > > the correct rhythm). It's like his mouth won't work or

he

> > > can't

> > > > > make <BR>

> > > > > > it move. I've been told he doesn't have apraxia because

> he

> > > > > doesn't <BR>

> > > > > > grope for the words. Does anyone have a child with this

> > > extreme

> > > > > <BR>

> > > > > > articulation problem? If so, have you done anything that

> has

> > > > > worked? <BR>

> > > > > > Is this something that will get better after chelation?

I

> > > never

> > > > > hear <BR>

> > > > > > anyone talk about this...they talk about nonverbal but

not

> > > severe

> > > > > <BR>

> > > > > > articulation problems. I just need to know there is hope

> for

> > > my

> > > > > son! <BR>

> > > > > > Thanks,<BR>

> > > > > > Dannene<BR>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > _______________________________________________

> > > > > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

> > > > > > The most personalized portal on the Web!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > =======================================================

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I'll chime-in here with the dose of Piracetam that my son is taking, if that

helps at all. My son is 9-3/4 years old and 57 lbs. He is taking a total of

3200 mg per day of Piracetam, divided into 4 doses of 800 mg each, across the

day. We use the Unique Nutrition brand capsules.

As Valentina stated, begin slowly and build up the dose. When we started, it

was just with one 800 mg capsule per day for the 1st week. Then we added

another 800 mg in Week 2, another 800 mg in Week 3, and finally reaching the

maintenance dose of 3200 mg per day from Week 4 onward.

We also use Vinpocetine, dosing anywhere between 5 - 10 mg per day of this.

Not sure what affect each of these supplements is having on my son cognitively

because he's always been a pretty smart kiddo, with a photographic-like memory,

from a very early age on. However, my 15 year old NT daughter told me the other

day that he has reached the highest level of play on his Nintendo games and she

was no where near able to help him the other day when he requested it with the

one game. When I asked her, " so, were you able to help him? " (he knows better

than to ask ME - LOL!! LOL!!), she told me that he was WAY advanced beyond her

level of play and she couldn't help. A short time later, he had figured it out

by himself. So, who knows . . . maybe these " smart drugs " DO work!!

Best Regards,

Re: [ ] Re: extreme articulation problems-cross posted

They are supplements...

Piracetam is one of those so called " smart drugs " . It is suggested to try it

with Lecithin (or choline) to work better.

I also tried Vinpocetine with my son (another " smart drug " ) and I've seen some

really nice improvements. Not necessarily in articulation, because he could

talk clearly already when I tried it, but improved speech, definitely. I tried

Vinpocetine myself and gave me really bad headaches, so watch him with this

one if you decide to try it.

Try really small doses at first and increase, like for any supplement. I am

sorry I don't remember the exact dose of Piracetam I gave my son. It was

almost 5 years ago...

Valentina

> Valentina...what are those, where can I find them and how much

> should I give him?

>

> > My son's speech became more clear and he started learning more

> words when I

> > gave him Piracetam and Lecithin.

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

They are supplements...

Piracetam is one of those so called " smart drugs " . It is suggested to try it

with Lecithin (or choline) to work better.

I also tried Vinpocetine with my son (another " smart drug " ) and I've seen some

really nice improvements. Not necessarily in articulation, because he could

talk clearly already when I tried it, but improved speech, definitely. I tried

Vinpocetine myself and gave me really bad headaches, so watch him with this

one if you decide to try it.

Try really small doses at first and increase, like for any supplement. I am

sorry I don't remember the exact dose of Piracetam I gave my son. It was

almost 5 years ago...

Valentina

> Valentina...what are those, where can I find them and how much

> should I give him?

>

> > My son's speech became more clear and he started learning more

> words when I

> > gave him Piracetam and Lecithin.

[Guest guest]

Sounds like the pediatrician could/would/will do testing (monitoring) for you?

S S

--- On Wed 02/01, dannenedrummond < dannenedrummond@... >

<tt>

His BMs have always been good.  I haven't seen any good results with <BR>

the supplementation, in fact I have seen him get more hyper and less <BR>

focused.  The reasons the Dr. gave me to not start are ridiculous.  <BR>

I took him to his regular pediatrician, told her what the guy had <BR>

said (high blood sugar...she tested it, it was ok, low iron...she <BR>

tested it, it was ok, I told her the liver enzyme he said that was <BR>

elevated and she said it was high in all growing children).  He <BR>

already prescribed the TD-DMPS so I have it and could start if I <BR>

wanted to.  I just wouldn't be able to monitor his levels and know <BR>

if he was deficient in anything.  He hasn't been tested for virals <BR>

at all which I do wonder about!<BR>

_______________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

I wouldn't say that is an indicator of being tongue tied, but of oral motor

control for sure. Can you play games with him in the mirror with his tongue

to see what kind of movement/control he has? Can he stick it alllllllll the

way out? Where does it seem to rest when he is not making sounds? My son's

tongue was resting behind his lower bottom teeth and real 'fat' in his

mouth. He did not develop a mature rotary chew until this was corrected.

Will he eat different kinds of texture? My son couldn't and he was more of

a tongue masher than a chewer with his teeth.

Here is a link to read more and if your SLP hasn't looked at that, I would

ask her to.

http://parenting.ivillage.com/newborn/nbreastfeed/0,,91wd,00.html

When I would flip my son upside down, gravity would take control and I could

see that is was restricted in his mouth. This was something that they don't

automatically check for. I requested that my SLP check it for me. She

agreed with me and then I made the referral to the ENT.

I am sure you have had his hearing evaluated too? And I am assuming this

was determined to be okay. I have two worksheets that you can cut apart to

make flash cards of the phonemes. They are a great visual prompt for making

each individual sounds. Let me know if you want me to send you a copy. I

could scan them and then e-mail it to you.... but you would have to let me

know how they print out. Remember, long vowel sounds are the easiest ones

to learn first. Then begin with p, b, m, d sounds. Keep in touch!

Jackie---

----- Original Message -----

From: " dannenedrummond " <dannenedrummond@...>

>I gave him a popsicle today to see if he would lick it and he would

> stick his tongue out but not move it in a licking motion. He would

> move his head up and down instead. Would that be an indicator of

> tongue-tiedness?

[Guest guest]

I am inthe same boat as you. My son is 5 years old and speechless. He recently

DID gain some speech after starting fish oil. I will increase the amount of

fish oil soon.

I am next starting Hyperbaric Oxygenation. Have you heard about this? Some

people theorize that brain damage is the cause of speechlessness. Hyperbaric

Oxygenation can and has helped autistic kids to speak. Here is an article to

read:

http://www.hypertc.com/testimonials/2005_September_Newsletter_email.pdf

Good Luck.

dannenedrummond <dannenedrummond@...> wrote:

Now that I've read your post and explanations I realize that I did

try the nordic naturals in the past, when my son was non-verbal. It

didn't work then but it may work now that he is trying to talk. I

think I " ll try it and see again! Thanks!

>

> Nordic Naturals does make a cod liver oil, but also fish oil in

> varying concentrations/formulations.

>

> Cod liver oil really doesn't have much of the Omega 3s compared to

> fish oil. Fish oils (oils not from the liver) will have much

higher

> levels of EPA/DHA for the brain and added borage oil (or other

omega

> 6) for the GLA. CLO has the vitamins A and D.

>

> Kirkmans markets fish oils, too, I assume. The reason I tout the

NN

> ProEFA is because so many parents of kids with Apraxia and other

> language disorders report progress with the ProEFA. I can tell

you

> my story: within 48 hours of switching from another fish oil to

> ProEFA my son started repeating words. He went from near silence

to

> wanting to label everything. It was very unclear, but that

> articulation came slowly over the next year. His SLP of 18 months

> was floored!

>

> We still deal with articulation issues, but progress is being made

> daily. My son also has Autism and a receptive language delay, so

> that greatly complicates things. I am seeing an increased rate of

> improvement since starting chelation with ALA.

>

> I wish you luck. There is a book out there by

[Guest guest]

I chose TD because I didn't want him to have the stomach side

effects. The only live person I know who has chelated is a

neurologist in town's daughter and the mother said it really upset

her stomach a lot (DMSA) and that she would go with TD next time.

Of course, she did have great results! Also, the only doctor in GA

that I've found who is chelating only uses the TD-DMPS and I wanted

to do it under dr. supervision. Of course that is all shot to

hell. I gave him his first dose tonight! I hope it goes OK. I

gavae him the amount the dr. had put on the prescription (27 drops).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <tt>

> > > > > > > Hi,<BR>

> > > > > > > My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds

like

> > a

> > > > vowel

> > > > > > <BR>

> > > > > > > sound. He has been getting speech since he was 2,

didn't

> > say

> > > > any

> > > > > > <BR>

> > > > > > > words at all until almost 3, had some D, N and T

sounds

> > > > > (sometimes

> > > > > > M <BR>

> > > > > > > and and has lost all of those sounds. He attempts

to

> > > speak

> > > > > > anytime <BR>

> > > > > > > you ask him (like we'll say " say popsicle " and he'll

say

> > uh

> > > ih

> > > > uh

> > > > > > with <BR>

> > > > > > > the correct rhythm). It's like his mouth won't work

or

> he

> > > > can't

> > > > > > make <BR>

> > > > > > > it move. I've been told he doesn't have apraxia

because

> > he

> > > > > > doesn't <BR>

> > > > > > > grope for the words. Does anyone have a child with

this

> > > > extreme

> > > > > > <BR>

> > > > > > > articulation problem? If so, have you done anything

that

> > has

> > > > > > worked? <BR>

> > > > > > > Is this something that will get better after

chelation?

> I

> > > > never

> > > > > > hear <BR>

> > > > > > > anyone talk about this...they talk about nonverbal but

> not

> > > > severe

> > > > > > <BR>

> > > > > > > articulation problems. I just need to know there is

hope

> > for

> > > > my

> > > > > > son! <BR>

> > > > > > > Thanks,<BR>

> > > > > > > Dannene<BR>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > _______________________________________________

> > > > > > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

> > > > > > > The most personalized portal on the Web!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > =======================================================

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

He sounds like a smart kid!

>

> I'll chime-in here with the dose of Piracetam that my son is

taking, if that helps at all. My son is 9-3/4 years old and 57

lbs. He is taking a total of 3200 mg per day of Piracetam, divided

into 4 doses of 800 mg each, across the day. We use the Unique

Nutrition brand capsules.

>

> As Valentina stated, begin slowly and build up the dose. When we

started, it was just with one 800 mg capsule per day for the 1st

week. Then we added another 800 mg in Week 2, another 800 mg in

Week 3, and finally reaching the maintenance dose of 3200 mg per day

from Week 4 onward.

>

> We also use Vinpocetine, dosing anywhere between 5 - 10 mg per day

of this.

>

> Not sure what affect each of these supplements is having on my son

cognitively because he's always been a pretty smart kiddo, with a

photographic-like memory, from a very early age on. However, my 15

year old NT daughter told me the other day that he has reached the

highest level of play on his Nintendo games and she was no where

near able to help him the other day when he requested it with the

one game. When I asked her, " so, were you able to help him? " (he

knows better than to ask ME - LOL!! LOL!!), she told me that he was

WAY advanced beyond her level of play and she couldn't help. A

short time later, he had figured it out by himself. So, who

knows . . . maybe these " smart drugs " DO work!!

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Re: [ ] Re: extreme articulation problems-

cross posted

>

>

> They are supplements...

> Piracetam is one of those so called " smart drugs " . It is

suggested to try it

> with Lecithin (or choline) to work better.

> I also tried Vinpocetine with my son (another " smart drug " ) and

I've seen some

> really nice improvements. Not necessarily in articulation,

because he could

> talk clearly already when I tried it, but improved speech,

definitely. I tried

> Vinpocetine myself and gave me really bad headaches, so watch

him with this

> one if you decide to try it.

> Try really small doses at first and increase, like for any

supplement. I am

> sorry I don't remember the exact dose of Piracetam I gave my

son. It was

> almost 5 years ago...

>

>

> Valentina

>

>

>

>

> > Valentina...what are those, where can I find them and how much

> > should I give him?

> >

>

> > > My son's speech became more clear and he started learning

more

> > words when I

> > > gave him Piracetam and Lecithin.

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks! I may be getting the kauffman praxis cards because it seems

like they may be a good way to teach Zach sounds. I gave Zach his

first dose of TD-DMPS tonight. I have no idea what to expect and

when to expect it. I am praying for the best!

>

> I wouldn't say that is an indicator of being tongue tied, but of

oral motor

> control for sure. Can you play games with him in the mirror with

his tongue

> to see what kind of movement/control he has? Can he stick it

alllllllll the

> way out? Where does it seem to rest when he is not making

sounds? My son's

> tongue was resting behind his lower bottom teeth and real 'fat' in

his

> mouth. He did not develop a mature rotary chew until this was

corrected.

> Will he eat different kinds of texture? My son couldn't and he

was more of

> a tongue masher than a chewer with his teeth.

>

> Here is a link to read more and if your SLP hasn't looked at that,

I would

> ask her to.

> http://parenting.ivillage.com/newborn/nbreastfeed/0,,91wd,00.html

> When I would flip my son upside down, gravity would take control

and I could

> see that is was restricted in his mouth. This was something that

they don't

> automatically check for. I requested that my SLP check it for

me. She

> agreed with me and then I made the referral to the ENT.

>

> I am sure you have had his hearing evaluated too? And I am

assuming this

> was determined to be okay. I have two worksheets that you can cut

apart to

> make flash cards of the phonemes. They are a great visual prompt

for making

> each individual sounds. Let me know if you want me to send you a

copy. I

> could scan them and then e-mail it to you.... but you would have

to let me

> know how they print out. Remember, long vowel sounds are the

easiest ones

> to learn first. Then begin with p, b, m, d sounds. Keep in touch!

> Jackie---

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " dannenedrummond " <dannenedrummond@...>

> >I gave him a popsicle today to see if he would lick it and he

would

> > stick his tongue out but not move it in a licking motion. He

would

> > move his head up and down instead. Would that be an indicator of

> > tongue-tiedness?

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if any of this is a " repeat " :

Have you taken him to an orthodontist? My youngest son has an overbite that

is so bad he cannot close his lips without real effort. The ratio of lower

jaw to upper jaw varies as children grow. Some years were worse than others

for his speach problems. He had MANY pronunciation problems, most of which

cleared up without a speach therapist. He still cannot really say TH

because of his overbite. I quit bothering to correct him because the cause

is physical in origin and would have to be corrected with braces, not speach

therapy. He doesn't want braces and I am not going to push it. (He is 16.)

Also, this same child has a shortened frenum (the piece of skin which

anchors the tongue to the bottom of the mouth). That makes it impossible

for him to swallow pills and also contributes to his history of speach

problems.

My other son had LOTS of ear infections when he was little. He talked like

he heard everything under water -- it was all distorted. Once when he was

put on antibiotics, I could tell when they began working because his speach

suddenly became clearer. This child likely has hearing damage from his many

ear infections but it doesn't show up on normal hearing tests. I suspect he

has CAPD (central auditory processing disorder). He mis-hears things if he

is not looking directly at me when I talk to him. So I think it gets

garbled between ear and brain and/or isn't heard exactly right. I think he

supplements his hearing with lip-reading and contextual clues without

realizing it. He talked late -- I put him in preschool at age 3 to force

him to speak because he mimed things and grunted and pointed and used two

word phrases with me a whole year after he was supposed to be using

sentences. He and I still communicate a lot in non-verbal ways but we are

both glad that I forced him to learn to really talk (even though he was 15

before he forgave me for MAKING him learn to talk, lol).

Both my kids saw orthondontists prior to the age of 10, both spent some time

in speach, etc. They each had different types of problems. Some of it was

" mechanical " in origin, something you don't usually hear from people.

HTH/Good luck

--

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>

> Hi,

> My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds like a vowel

> sound.

Lots of things helped my son with this, especially B vitamins, EFAs,

and anti-virals.

Dana

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PECS (Picture Exchange Communication System), sign language, or a communication

device like Dynavox are certainly communication options to consider while

continuing to work on speech and sometimes help speech along.

S S

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Neil,<BR>

I tried adding the cod liver oil, he is on the GFCF diet (plus some <BR>

other things), we just started B-12 shots every 3 days, I have tried <BR>

different oral motor exercises but not faithfully, he is in a verbal <BR>

ABA program at school 30 hours a week with 4X a week with a speech <BR>

therapist, he gets speech from a private person, he meets 8 hours <BR>

with 2 girls I hired to work with his mouth and a few other things.  <BR>

I guess I am losing hope because I just keep trying so many things <BR>

and nothing is helping at all.  He is worse off than he was a year <BR>

ago in speech.  We started supplements, that didn't help either.  We <BR>

have spent so much money and nothing works!!  I haven't heard many <BR>

stories with children who had bad articulation starting to speak <BR>

clearly after chelation and I was hoping I'd hear some from this <BR>

post!  I almost wish he didn't speak at all because then it would <BR>

seem more possible.  Right now he just seems like his mouth doesn't <BR>

want to move.  Sorry so long!!<BR>

Dannene<BR>

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> We also use Vinpocetine, dosing anywhere between 5 - 10 mg per day of this.

>

> Not sure what affect each of these supplements is having on my son cognitively

because he's always been a pretty smart kiddo, with a photographic-like memory,

from a very early age on.

Interesting... my son has an unusually good photographic memory too. And he has

an incredible understanding of location in space. He can memorize maps just by

looking at them and he can " build " maps in his mind just by driving around (we

come home and he draws maps of an incredible accuracy).

I wonder if there is any connection with the smart drugs (he took Piracetam and

Vinpocetine and did well with both).

My son was not always like this. Before we started supplements, he was actually

in a pretty bad shape.

> However, my 15 year old NT daughter told me the other day that he has reached

the highest level of play on his Nintendo games and she was no where near able

to help him

) This makes me smile... My son is very advanced too in his Nintendo game

My husband, who used to play this years ago, told me that my son reached levels

he didn't even know existed.

> So, who knows . . . maybe these " smart drugs " DO work!!

I have no doubt they do. Maybe not for everybody, but considering that they are

low side-effects, I think more people should try them. For me it was very easy

to see the effects, because my son was in a really bad shape some years ago.

There was no doubt.

Valentina

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Is this safe to take?

Thanks

Jeanne

Valentina Scharpf <val999@...> wrote:

> We also use Vinpocetine, dosing anywhere between 5 - 10 mg per day of this.

>

> Not sure what affect each of these supplements is having on my son cognitively

because he's always been a pretty smart kiddo, with a photographic-like memory,

from a very early age on.

Interesting... my son has an unusually good photographic memory too. And he has

an incredible understanding of location in space. He can memorize maps just by

looking at them and he can " build " maps in his mind just by driving around (we

come home and he draws maps of an incredible accuracy).

I wonder if there is any connection with the smart drugs (he took Piracetam and

Vinpocetine and did well with both).

My son was not always like this. Before we started supplements, he was actually

in a pretty bad shape.

> However, my 15 year old NT daughter told me the other day that he has reached

the highest level of play on his Nintendo games and she was no where near able

to help him

) This makes me smile... My son is very advanced too in his Nintendo game

My husband, who used to play this years ago, told me that my son reached levels

he didn't even know existed.

> So, who knows . . . maybe these " smart drugs " DO work!!

I have no doubt they do. Maybe not for everybody, but considering that they are

low side-effects, I think more people should try them. For me it was very easy

to see the effects, because my son was in a really bad shape some years ago.

There was no doubt.

Valentina

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Are you asking about Piracetam and Vinpocetine?

I think they are both pretty safe. You might like to read more about them though

before you give them. There is lots of information... you could just do a search

on Google.

Valentina

> Is this safe to take?

> Thanks

> Jeanne

>

> Valentina Scharpf <val999@...> wrote:

> > We also use Vinpocetine, dosing anywhere between 5 - 10 mg per day of

this.

> >

> > Not sure what affect each of these supplements is having on my son

cognitively because he's always been a pretty smart kiddo, with a

photographic-like memory, from a very early age on.

>

> Interesting... my son has an unusually good photographic memory too. And he

has an incredible understanding of location in space. He can memorize maps just

by looking at them and he can " build " maps in his mind just by driving around

(we come home and he draws maps of an incredible accuracy).

> I wonder if there is any connection with the smart drugs (he took Piracetam

and Vinpocetine and did well with both).

> My son was not always like this. Before we started supplements, he was

actually in a pretty bad shape.

>

> > However, my 15 year old NT daughter told me the other day that he has

reached the highest level of play on his Nintendo games and she was no where

near able to help him

>

> ) This makes me smile... My son is very advanced too in his Nintendo game

My husband, who used to play this years ago, told me that my son reached levels

he didn't even know existed.

>

> > So, who knows . . . maybe these " smart drugs " DO work!!

>

> I have no doubt they do. Maybe not for everybody, but considering that they

are low side-effects, I think more people should try them. For me it was very

easy to see the effects, because my son was in a really bad shape some years

ago. There was no doubt.

>

> Valentina