Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 His BMs have always been good. I haven't seen any good results with the supplementation, in fact I have seen him get more hyper and less focused. The reasons the Dr. gave me to not start are ridiculous. I took him to his regular pediatrician, told her what the guy had said (high blood sugar...she tested it, it was ok, low iron...she tested it, it was ok, I told her the liver enzyme he said that was elevated and she said it was high in all growing children). He already prescribed the TD-DMPS so I have it and could start if I wanted to. I just wouldn't be able to monitor his levels and know if he was deficient in anything. He hasn't been tested for virals at all which I do wonder about! > > > > > > > > > > <tt> > > > > > Hi,<BR> > > > > > My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds like a > > vowel > > > > <BR> > > > > > sound. He has been getting speech since he was 2, didn't say > > any > > > > <BR> > > > > > words at all until almost 3, had some D, N and T sounds > > > (sometimes > > > > M <BR> > > > > > and and has lost all of those sounds. He attempts to > speak > > > > anytime <BR> > > > > > you ask him (like we'll say " say popsicle " and he'll say uh > ih > > uh > > > > with <BR> > > > > > the correct rhythm). It's like his mouth won't work or he > > can't > > > > make <BR> > > > > > it move. I've been told he doesn't have apraxia because he > > > > doesn't <BR> > > > > > grope for the words. Does anyone have a child with this > > extreme > > > > <BR> > > > > > articulation problem? If so, have you done anything that has > > > > worked? <BR> > > > > > Is this something that will get better after chelation? I > > never > > > > hear <BR> > > > > > anyone talk about this...they talk about nonverbal but not > > severe > > > > <BR> > > > > > articulation problems. I just need to know there is hope for > > my > > > > son! <BR> > > > > > Thanks,<BR> > > > > > Dannene<BR> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > > > > > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Now that I've read your post and explanations I realize that I did try the nordic naturals in the past, when my son was non-verbal. It didn't work then but it may work now that he is trying to talk. I think I " ll try it and see again! Thanks! > > Nordic Naturals does make a cod liver oil, but also fish oil in > varying concentrations/formulations. > > Cod liver oil really doesn't have much of the Omega 3s compared to > fish oil. Fish oils (oils not from the liver) will have much higher > levels of EPA/DHA for the brain and added borage oil (or other omega > 6) for the GLA. CLO has the vitamins A and D. > > Kirkmans markets fish oils, too, I assume. The reason I tout the NN > ProEFA is because so many parents of kids with Apraxia and other > language disorders report progress with the ProEFA. I can tell you > my story: within 48 hours of switching from another fish oil to > ProEFA my son started repeating words. He went from near silence to > wanting to label everything. It was very unclear, but that > articulation came slowly over the next year. His SLP of 18 months > was floored! > > We still deal with articulation issues, but progress is being made > daily. My son also has Autism and a receptive language delay, so > that greatly complicates things. I am seeing an increased rate of > improvement since starting chelation with ALA. > > I wish you luck. There is a book out there by Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Valentina...what are those, where can I find them and how much should I give him? > > My son's speech became more clear and he started learning more words when I > gave him Piracetam and Lecithin. > > > Valentina > > > > My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds like a vowel > > sound. He has been getting speech since he was 2, didn't say any > > words at all until almost 3, had some D, N and T sounds (sometimes M > > and and has lost all of those sounds. He attempts to speak anytime > > you ask him (like we'll say " say popsicle " and he'll say uh ih uh with > > the correct rhythm). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Beti..the problem is he can't make any consonant sounds to even try blending. On his IEP the goals indicate something similar to what you are saying but I don't think they are intensive about it. I'll have to ask! > > > > > > > > <tt> > > > > Hi,<BR> > > > > My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds like a > vowel > > > <BR> > > > > sound. He has been getting speech since he was 2, didn't say > any > > > <BR> > > > > words at all until almost 3, had some D, N and T sounds > > (sometimes > > > M <BR> > > > > and and has lost all of those sounds. He attempts to speak > > > anytime <BR> > > > > you ask him (like we'll say " say popsicle " and he'll say uh ih > uh > > > with <BR> > > > > the correct rhythm). It's like his mouth won't work or he > can't > > > make <BR> > > > > it move. I've been told he doesn't have apraxia because he > > > doesn't <BR> > > > > grope for the words. Does anyone have a child with this > extreme > > > <BR> > > > > articulation problem? If so, have you done anything that has > > > worked? <BR> > > > > Is this something that will get better after chelation? I > never > > > hear <BR> > > > > anyone talk about this...they talk about nonverbal but not > severe > > > <BR> > > > > articulation problems. I just need to know there is hope for > my > > > son! <BR> > > > > Thanks,<BR> > > > > Dannene<BR> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > > > > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 My son's speech became more clear and he started learning more words when I gave him Piracetam and Lecithin. Valentina > My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds like a vowel > sound. He has been getting speech since he was 2, didn't say any > words at all until almost 3, had some D, N and T sounds (sometimes M > and and has lost all of those sounds. He attempts to speak anytime > you ask him (like we'll say " say popsicle " and he'll say uh ih uh with > the correct rhythm). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 If I were you, I would probably start chelating, low and slow and proper protocol, and find another doctor. Why did you choose TD-DMPS over an oral chelators? Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > <tt> > > > > > > Hi,<BR> > > > > > > My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds like > a > > > vowel > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > sound. He has been getting speech since he was 2, didn't > say > > > any > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > words at all until almost 3, had some D, N and T sounds > > > > (sometimes > > > > > M <BR> > > > > > > and and has lost all of those sounds. He attempts to > > speak > > > > > anytime <BR> > > > > > > you ask him (like we'll say " say popsicle " and he'll say > uh > > ih > > > uh > > > > > with <BR> > > > > > > the correct rhythm). It's like his mouth won't work or he > > > can't > > > > > make <BR> > > > > > > it move. I've been told he doesn't have apraxia because > he > > > > > doesn't <BR> > > > > > > grope for the words. Does anyone have a child with this > > > extreme > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > articulation problem? If so, have you done anything that > has > > > > > worked? <BR> > > > > > > Is this something that will get better after chelation? I > > > never > > > > > hear <BR> > > > > > > anyone talk about this...they talk about nonverbal but not > > > severe > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > articulation problems. I just need to know there is hope > for > > > my > > > > > son! <BR> > > > > > > Thanks,<BR> > > > > > > Dannene<BR> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > > > > > > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I'll chime-in here with the dose of Piracetam that my son is taking, if that helps at all. My son is 9-3/4 years old and 57 lbs. He is taking a total of 3200 mg per day of Piracetam, divided into 4 doses of 800 mg each, across the day. We use the Unique Nutrition brand capsules. As Valentina stated, begin slowly and build up the dose. When we started, it was just with one 800 mg capsule per day for the 1st week. Then we added another 800 mg in Week 2, another 800 mg in Week 3, and finally reaching the maintenance dose of 3200 mg per day from Week 4 onward. We also use Vinpocetine, dosing anywhere between 5 - 10 mg per day of this. Not sure what affect each of these supplements is having on my son cognitively because he's always been a pretty smart kiddo, with a photographic-like memory, from a very early age on. However, my 15 year old NT daughter told me the other day that he has reached the highest level of play on his Nintendo games and she was no where near able to help him the other day when he requested it with the one game. When I asked her, " so, were you able to help him? " (he knows better than to ask ME - LOL!! LOL!!), she told me that he was WAY advanced beyond her level of play and she couldn't help. A short time later, he had figured it out by himself. So, who knows . . . maybe these " smart drugs " DO work!! Best Regards, Re: [ ] Re: extreme articulation problems-cross posted They are supplements... Piracetam is one of those so called " smart drugs " . It is suggested to try it with Lecithin (or choline) to work better. I also tried Vinpocetine with my son (another " smart drug " ) and I've seen some really nice improvements. Not necessarily in articulation, because he could talk clearly already when I tried it, but improved speech, definitely. I tried Vinpocetine myself and gave me really bad headaches, so watch him with this one if you decide to try it. Try really small doses at first and increase, like for any supplement. I am sorry I don't remember the exact dose of Piracetam I gave my son. It was almost 5 years ago... Valentina > Valentina...what are those, where can I find them and how much > should I give him? > > > My son's speech became more clear and he started learning more > words when I > > gave him Piracetam and Lecithin. ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 They are supplements... Piracetam is one of those so called " smart drugs " . It is suggested to try it with Lecithin (or choline) to work better. I also tried Vinpocetine with my son (another " smart drug " ) and I've seen some really nice improvements. Not necessarily in articulation, because he could talk clearly already when I tried it, but improved speech, definitely. I tried Vinpocetine myself and gave me really bad headaches, so watch him with this one if you decide to try it. Try really small doses at first and increase, like for any supplement. I am sorry I don't remember the exact dose of Piracetam I gave my son. It was almost 5 years ago... Valentina > Valentina...what are those, where can I find them and how much > should I give him? > > > My son's speech became more clear and he started learning more > words when I > > gave him Piracetam and Lecithin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Sounds like the pediatrician could/would/will do testing (monitoring) for you? S S --- On Wed 02/01, dannenedrummond < dannenedrummond@... > <tt> His BMs have always been good. I haven't seen any good results with <BR> the supplementation, in fact I have seen him get more hyper and less <BR> focused. The reasons the Dr. gave me to not start are ridiculous. <BR> I took him to his regular pediatrician, told her what the guy had <BR> said (high blood sugar...she tested it, it was ok, low iron...she <BR> tested it, it was ok, I told her the liver enzyme he said that was <BR> elevated and she said it was high in all growing children). He <BR> already prescribed the TD-DMPS so I have it and could start if I <BR> wanted to. I just wouldn't be able to monitor his levels and know <BR> if he was deficient in anything. He hasn't been tested for virals <BR> at all which I do wonder about!<BR> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I wouldn't say that is an indicator of being tongue tied, but of oral motor control for sure. Can you play games with him in the mirror with his tongue to see what kind of movement/control he has? Can he stick it alllllllll the way out? Where does it seem to rest when he is not making sounds? My son's tongue was resting behind his lower bottom teeth and real 'fat' in his mouth. He did not develop a mature rotary chew until this was corrected. Will he eat different kinds of texture? My son couldn't and he was more of a tongue masher than a chewer with his teeth. Here is a link to read more and if your SLP hasn't looked at that, I would ask her to. http://parenting.ivillage.com/newborn/nbreastfeed/0,,91wd,00.html When I would flip my son upside down, gravity would take control and I could see that is was restricted in his mouth. This was something that they don't automatically check for. I requested that my SLP check it for me. She agreed with me and then I made the referral to the ENT. I am sure you have had his hearing evaluated too? And I am assuming this was determined to be okay. I have two worksheets that you can cut apart to make flash cards of the phonemes. They are a great visual prompt for making each individual sounds. Let me know if you want me to send you a copy. I could scan them and then e-mail it to you.... but you would have to let me know how they print out. Remember, long vowel sounds are the easiest ones to learn first. Then begin with p, b, m, d sounds. Keep in touch! Jackie--- ----- Original Message ----- From: " dannenedrummond " <dannenedrummond@...> >I gave him a popsicle today to see if he would lick it and he would > stick his tongue out but not move it in a licking motion. He would > move his head up and down instead. Would that be an indicator of > tongue-tiedness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I am inthe same boat as you. My son is 5 years old and speechless. He recently DID gain some speech after starting fish oil. I will increase the amount of fish oil soon. I am next starting Hyperbaric Oxygenation. Have you heard about this? Some people theorize that brain damage is the cause of speechlessness. Hyperbaric Oxygenation can and has helped autistic kids to speak. Here is an article to read: http://www.hypertc.com/testimonials/2005_September_Newsletter_email.pdf Good Luck. dannenedrummond <dannenedrummond@...> wrote: Now that I've read your post and explanations I realize that I did try the nordic naturals in the past, when my son was non-verbal. It didn't work then but it may work now that he is trying to talk. I think I " ll try it and see again! Thanks! > > Nordic Naturals does make a cod liver oil, but also fish oil in > varying concentrations/formulations. > > Cod liver oil really doesn't have much of the Omega 3s compared to > fish oil. Fish oils (oils not from the liver) will have much higher > levels of EPA/DHA for the brain and added borage oil (or other omega > 6) for the GLA. CLO has the vitamins A and D. > > Kirkmans markets fish oils, too, I assume. The reason I tout the NN > ProEFA is because so many parents of kids with Apraxia and other > language disorders report progress with the ProEFA. I can tell you > my story: within 48 hours of switching from another fish oil to > ProEFA my son started repeating words. He went from near silence to > wanting to label everything. It was very unclear, but that > articulation came slowly over the next year. His SLP of 18 months > was floored! > > We still deal with articulation issues, but progress is being made > daily. My son also has Autism and a receptive language delay, so > that greatly complicates things. I am seeing an increased rate of > improvement since starting chelation with ALA. > > I wish you luck. There is a book out there by Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I chose TD because I didn't want him to have the stomach side effects. The only live person I know who has chelated is a neurologist in town's daughter and the mother said it really upset her stomach a lot (DMSA) and that she would go with TD next time. Of course, she did have great results! Also, the only doctor in GA that I've found who is chelating only uses the TD-DMPS and I wanted to do it under dr. supervision. Of course that is all shot to hell. I gave him his first dose tonight! I hope it goes OK. I gavae him the amount the dr. had put on the prescription (27 drops). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <tt> > > > > > > > Hi,<BR> > > > > > > > My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds like > > a > > > > vowel > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > > sound. He has been getting speech since he was 2, didn't > > say > > > > any > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > > words at all until almost 3, had some D, N and T sounds > > > > > (sometimes > > > > > > M <BR> > > > > > > > and and has lost all of those sounds. He attempts to > > > speak > > > > > > anytime <BR> > > > > > > > you ask him (like we'll say " say popsicle " and he'll say > > uh > > > ih > > > > uh > > > > > > with <BR> > > > > > > > the correct rhythm). It's like his mouth won't work or > he > > > > can't > > > > > > make <BR> > > > > > > > it move. I've been told he doesn't have apraxia because > > he > > > > > > doesn't <BR> > > > > > > > grope for the words. Does anyone have a child with this > > > > extreme > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > > articulation problem? If so, have you done anything that > > has > > > > > > worked? <BR> > > > > > > > Is this something that will get better after chelation? > I > > > > never > > > > > > hear <BR> > > > > > > > anyone talk about this...they talk about nonverbal but > not > > > > severe > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > > articulation problems. I just need to know there is hope > > for > > > > my > > > > > > son! <BR> > > > > > > > Thanks,<BR> > > > > > > > Dannene<BR> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > > > > > > > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 He sounds like a smart kid! > > I'll chime-in here with the dose of Piracetam that my son is taking, if that helps at all. My son is 9-3/4 years old and 57 lbs. He is taking a total of 3200 mg per day of Piracetam, divided into 4 doses of 800 mg each, across the day. We use the Unique Nutrition brand capsules. > > As Valentina stated, begin slowly and build up the dose. When we started, it was just with one 800 mg capsule per day for the 1st week. Then we added another 800 mg in Week 2, another 800 mg in Week 3, and finally reaching the maintenance dose of 3200 mg per day from Week 4 onward. > > We also use Vinpocetine, dosing anywhere between 5 - 10 mg per day of this. > > Not sure what affect each of these supplements is having on my son cognitively because he's always been a pretty smart kiddo, with a photographic-like memory, from a very early age on. However, my 15 year old NT daughter told me the other day that he has reached the highest level of play on his Nintendo games and she was no where near able to help him the other day when he requested it with the one game. When I asked her, " so, were you able to help him? " (he knows better than to ask ME - LOL!! LOL!!), she told me that he was WAY advanced beyond her level of play and she couldn't help. A short time later, he had figured it out by himself. So, who knows . . . maybe these " smart drugs " DO work!! > > Best Regards, > > Re: [ ] Re: extreme articulation problems- cross posted > > > They are supplements... > Piracetam is one of those so called " smart drugs " . It is suggested to try it > with Lecithin (or choline) to work better. > I also tried Vinpocetine with my son (another " smart drug " ) and I've seen some > really nice improvements. Not necessarily in articulation, because he could > talk clearly already when I tried it, but improved speech, definitely. I tried > Vinpocetine myself and gave me really bad headaches, so watch him with this > one if you decide to try it. > Try really small doses at first and increase, like for any supplement. I am > sorry I don't remember the exact dose of Piracetam I gave my son. It was > almost 5 years ago... > > > Valentina > > > > > > Valentina...what are those, where can I find them and how much > > should I give him? > > > > > > My son's speech became more clear and he started learning more > > words when I > > > gave him Piracetam and Lecithin. > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Thanks! I may be getting the kauffman praxis cards because it seems like they may be a good way to teach Zach sounds. I gave Zach his first dose of TD-DMPS tonight. I have no idea what to expect and when to expect it. I am praying for the best! > > I wouldn't say that is an indicator of being tongue tied, but of oral motor > control for sure. Can you play games with him in the mirror with his tongue > to see what kind of movement/control he has? Can he stick it alllllllll the > way out? Where does it seem to rest when he is not making sounds? My son's > tongue was resting behind his lower bottom teeth and real 'fat' in his > mouth. He did not develop a mature rotary chew until this was corrected. > Will he eat different kinds of texture? My son couldn't and he was more of > a tongue masher than a chewer with his teeth. > > Here is a link to read more and if your SLP hasn't looked at that, I would > ask her to. > http://parenting.ivillage.com/newborn/nbreastfeed/0,,91wd,00.html > When I would flip my son upside down, gravity would take control and I could > see that is was restricted in his mouth. This was something that they don't > automatically check for. I requested that my SLP check it for me. She > agreed with me and then I made the referral to the ENT. > > I am sure you have had his hearing evaluated too? And I am assuming this > was determined to be okay. I have two worksheets that you can cut apart to > make flash cards of the phonemes. They are a great visual prompt for making > each individual sounds. Let me know if you want me to send you a copy. I > could scan them and then e-mail it to you.... but you would have to let me > know how they print out. Remember, long vowel sounds are the easiest ones > to learn first. Then begin with p, b, m, d sounds. Keep in touch! > Jackie--- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " dannenedrummond " <dannenedrummond@...> > >I gave him a popsicle today to see if he would lick it and he would > > stick his tongue out but not move it in a licking motion. He would > > move his head up and down instead. Would that be an indicator of > > tongue-tiedness? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if any of this is a " repeat " : Have you taken him to an orthodontist? My youngest son has an overbite that is so bad he cannot close his lips without real effort. The ratio of lower jaw to upper jaw varies as children grow. Some years were worse than others for his speach problems. He had MANY pronunciation problems, most of which cleared up without a speach therapist. He still cannot really say TH because of his overbite. I quit bothering to correct him because the cause is physical in origin and would have to be corrected with braces, not speach therapy. He doesn't want braces and I am not going to push it. (He is 16.) Also, this same child has a shortened frenum (the piece of skin which anchors the tongue to the bottom of the mouth). That makes it impossible for him to swallow pills and also contributes to his history of speach problems. My other son had LOTS of ear infections when he was little. He talked like he heard everything under water -- it was all distorted. Once when he was put on antibiotics, I could tell when they began working because his speach suddenly became clearer. This child likely has hearing damage from his many ear infections but it doesn't show up on normal hearing tests. I suspect he has CAPD (central auditory processing disorder). He mis-hears things if he is not looking directly at me when I talk to him. So I think it gets garbled between ear and brain and/or isn't heard exactly right. I think he supplements his hearing with lip-reading and contextual clues without realizing it. He talked late -- I put him in preschool at age 3 to force him to speak because he mimed things and grunted and pointed and used two word phrases with me a whole year after he was supposed to be using sentences. He and I still communicate a lot in non-verbal ways but we are both glad that I forced him to learn to really talk (even though he was 15 before he forgave me for MAKING him learn to talk, lol). Both my kids saw orthondontists prior to the age of 10, both spent some time in speach, etc. They each had different types of problems. Some of it was " mechanical " in origin, something you don't usually hear from people. HTH/Good luck -- Michele in Limbo (formerly in California) talithamichele@... Visit Michele's World! http://www.califmichele.com " Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding. " -- Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 > > Hi, > My son just turned 4 and every sound he makes sounds like a vowel > sound. Lots of things helped my son with this, especially B vitamins, EFAs, and anti-virals. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 PECS (Picture Exchange Communication System), sign language, or a communication device like Dynavox are certainly communication options to consider while continuing to work on speech and sometimes help speech along. S S <tt> Neil,<BR> I tried adding the cod liver oil, he is on the GFCF diet (plus some <BR> other things), we just started B-12 shots every 3 days, I have tried <BR> different oral motor exercises but not faithfully, he is in a verbal <BR> ABA program at school 30 hours a week with 4X a week with a speech <BR> therapist, he gets speech from a private person, he meets 8 hours <BR> with 2 girls I hired to work with his mouth and a few other things. <BR> I guess I am losing hope because I just keep trying so many things <BR> and nothing is helping at all. He is worse off than he was a year <BR> ago in speech. We started supplements, that didn't help either. We <BR> have spent so much money and nothing works!! I haven't heard many <BR> stories with children who had bad articulation starting to speak <BR> clearly after chelation and I was hoping I'd hear some from this <BR> post! I almost wish he didn't speak at all because then it would <BR> seem more possible. Right now he just seems like his mouth doesn't <BR> want to move. Sorry so long!!<BR> Dannene<BR> <BR> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 > We also use Vinpocetine, dosing anywhere between 5 - 10 mg per day of this. > > Not sure what affect each of these supplements is having on my son cognitively because he's always been a pretty smart kiddo, with a photographic-like memory, from a very early age on. Interesting... my son has an unusually good photographic memory too. And he has an incredible understanding of location in space. He can memorize maps just by looking at them and he can " build " maps in his mind just by driving around (we come home and he draws maps of an incredible accuracy). I wonder if there is any connection with the smart drugs (he took Piracetam and Vinpocetine and did well with both). My son was not always like this. Before we started supplements, he was actually in a pretty bad shape. > However, my 15 year old NT daughter told me the other day that he has reached the highest level of play on his Nintendo games and she was no where near able to help him ) This makes me smile... My son is very advanced too in his Nintendo game My husband, who used to play this years ago, told me that my son reached levels he didn't even know existed. > So, who knows . . . maybe these " smart drugs " DO work!! I have no doubt they do. Maybe not for everybody, but considering that they are low side-effects, I think more people should try them. For me it was very easy to see the effects, because my son was in a really bad shape some years ago. There was no doubt. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Is this safe to take? Thanks Jeanne Valentina Scharpf <val999@...> wrote: > We also use Vinpocetine, dosing anywhere between 5 - 10 mg per day of this. > > Not sure what affect each of these supplements is having on my son cognitively because he's always been a pretty smart kiddo, with a photographic-like memory, from a very early age on. Interesting... my son has an unusually good photographic memory too. And he has an incredible understanding of location in space. He can memorize maps just by looking at them and he can " build " maps in his mind just by driving around (we come home and he draws maps of an incredible accuracy). I wonder if there is any connection with the smart drugs (he took Piracetam and Vinpocetine and did well with both). My son was not always like this. Before we started supplements, he was actually in a pretty bad shape. > However, my 15 year old NT daughter told me the other day that he has reached the highest level of play on his Nintendo games and she was no where near able to help him ) This makes me smile... My son is very advanced too in his Nintendo game My husband, who used to play this years ago, told me that my son reached levels he didn't even know existed. > So, who knows . . . maybe these " smart drugs " DO work!! I have no doubt they do. Maybe not for everybody, but considering that they are low side-effects, I think more people should try them. For me it was very easy to see the effects, because my son was in a really bad shape some years ago. There was no doubt. Valentina ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Are you asking about Piracetam and Vinpocetine? I think they are both pretty safe. You might like to read more about them though before you give them. There is lots of information... you could just do a search on Google. Valentina > Is this safe to take? > Thanks > Jeanne > > Valentina Scharpf <val999@...> wrote: > > We also use Vinpocetine, dosing anywhere between 5 - 10 mg per day of this. > > > > Not sure what affect each of these supplements is having on my son cognitively because he's always been a pretty smart kiddo, with a photographic-like memory, from a very early age on. > > Interesting... my son has an unusually good photographic memory too. And he has an incredible understanding of location in space. He can memorize maps just by looking at them and he can " build " maps in his mind just by driving around (we come home and he draws maps of an incredible accuracy). > I wonder if there is any connection with the smart drugs (he took Piracetam and Vinpocetine and did well with both). > My son was not always like this. Before we started supplements, he was actually in a pretty bad shape. > > > However, my 15 year old NT daughter told me the other day that he has reached the highest level of play on his Nintendo games and she was no where near able to help him > > ) This makes me smile... My son is very advanced too in his Nintendo game My husband, who used to play this years ago, told me that my son reached levels he didn't even know existed. > > > So, who knows . . . maybe these " smart drugs " DO work!! > > I have no doubt they do. Maybe not for everybody, but considering that they are low side-effects, I think more people should try them. For me it was very easy to see the effects, because my son was in a really bad shape some years ago. There was no doubt. > > Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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