new to this

[Guest guest]

CBT is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. It is pretty much getting rid of the

distorted/negative/irrational thoughts and replacing them with positive and

rational ones. There are different exercises to kind of ‘re-train’ your mind

not to automatically go to the anxiety provoking thoughts which in turn

becomes actual physiological responses felt in your body. There is a great

book that helps with this called The Anxiety and Phobia Workbook.

Rayne

http://spaces.msn.com/members/CheersRayne/

Re: Re: New to this

Hi : I just read your e-mail and would like to know what CET

Techniques are and how you use them for anxiety. Thank you, Andi

RE: Re: New to this

>

>Thank you so much for all of your responses!! I would love to hear anything

>you have to offer.

>

>

>

>My biggest 2 worries are:

>

>

>

>I cannot have ANYthing that is remotely stimulating (like caffeine, red

>bull, decongestants) due to a tachycardia problem for which I take a beta

>blocker and because I am prone to anxiety. So I need to make sure this will

>NOT create a stimulant effect.

>

>

>

>Also, I do NOT want to gain EXTRA weight!!

>

>

>

>Anyway, thanks and keep the responses coming if youd like I want to hear

>it all!!!

>

>

>

> Rayne

>

>

>

>http://spaces. <http://spaces. <http://spaces.msn.com/members/CheersRayne/>

msn.com/members/CheersRayne/>

msn.com/members/CheersRayne/

[Guest guest]

:

It's quite likely that the VCO will give you more energy but I don't think it's

stimulating, like making you nervous. I too am prone to heartbeat

irregularities but NEVER have them while I'm taking VCO. But do at other times,

when I'm not. I think that's a great bonus not to have that anymore.

I also cannot take Decongestants for fear of a racing heart that keeps me awake.

As long as I watch my Carb intake, I can lose a pound a day without being hungry

and not exercising.

Bonnie

Re: New to this

>

Hi, ,

I started taking the coconut oil just over two weeks ago and had a

lovely suprise when i stepped on the scales this morning. I've lost

several pounds already and had 10lbs to lose that i haven't been

able to shift over the last couple of years even eating really

sensibly, with no junk food. I have a sluggish thyroid but taking

my temperture this morning in was up to nearly normal.

Don't be scared of it but i suggest start with a teaspoon 3 times a

day with meals and build up to 3 1/2 tbsp and see how you tolerate

it. It can give you the runs or affect you the other way to start

with and has a detox affect on the body. I got a sore throat and

cough that co-incided with taking it and felt fatigued to start

with. Today my energy is up and apart from this break in my chores

I'm whizzing around doing lots of housework and i'm buzzing. I

suggest you read Bruce Fife's books that you can get on Amazon or

various websites that promote vco, to learn all the marvellous

benefits you can get from this oil. I was dubious at first, is this

just another fad that will let me down in my search for more energy

to do the things i want to do? I think this is for real even though

part of me still can't believe it.

Hope you get all the benefits you wish for yourself

Sally

ps the coconut milk(bought in 14oz cans from most supermarkets) is

good as well.

> Hi there! My name is . I am 32. I was just told about

Virgin

> Coconut Oil this past week. It was suggested to lose weight. When

I

> went to the health food store to buy it I was astonished at the

> calories and sat fat content. I gained about 70lbs when I was

> pregnant (had baby 2 years ago). I have about 20 more to lose. I

> have been really trying to eat right for the most part and

exercise

> as much as I can (tho I do HATE it). But these last 20 lbs are

> impossible and ALL in my lower abs.

>

> Anyway...since getting home from the store I have been reading a

lot

> on it and there is SOOOO much conflicting info. I read an article

by

> Dr Weil which says NOT to take it. And another on WebMD that has

bad

> opinions in there as well.

>

> I just dont know what to think.

>

> I would LOVE some advice from you experts Should I take this?

> Does it interact with medications? Have any side effects? How to

> take it? How much? Anything you can think to tell me would be SO

> appreciated!!

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hurraye for . You can do it girl.

I like it much better using Coconut Milk and making it into a Smoothie.

1 cup Coconut Milk is equal to 2 tbsp. of the Oil according to Dr. Bruce.

Bonnie

Re: New to this

I have a question, I'm a newbie too, do you add it to water or hot

tea? also where can you buy coconut oil?

I need to lose weight, and heard it helps

thanks

Jenn

> >

> > Hi there! My name is . I am 32. I was just told about

> Virgin

> > Coconut Oil this past week. It was suggested to lose weight.

When

> I

> > went to the health food store to buy it I was astonished at the

> > calories and sat fat content. I gained about 70lbs when I was

> > pregnant (had baby 2 years ago). I have about 20 more to lose. I

> > have been really trying to eat right for the most part and

> exercise

> > as much as I can (tho I do HATE it). But these last 20 lbs are

> > impossible and ALL in my lower abs.

> >

> > Anyway...since getting home from the store I have been reading a

> lot

> > on it and there is SOOOO much conflicting info. I read an

article

> by

> > Dr Weil which says NOT to take it. And another on WebMD that has

> bad

> > opinions in there as well.

> >

> > I just dont know what to think.

> >

> > I would LOVE some advice from you experts Should I take this?

> > Does it interact with medications? Have any side effects? How to

> > take it? How much? Anything you can think to tell me would be SO

> > appreciated!!

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

When you guys mention coconut milk, are you usually referring to the canned

stuff in grocery stores? I agree that it makes a delicious smoothie, but

since it's pasteurized, the sugars in it are refined. And I guess I always

figured the oil content in it wasn't that significant, or wasn't good for

you once it was processed. Are you guys suggesting that I should start

using it for my smoothies again?! I LOVED it when I did! Where can I find

info on this?

-

On 10/13/06, Bonnie Cole <bonnieview@...> wrote:

>

> Hurraye for . You can do it girl.

>

> I like it much better using Coconut Milk and making it into a Smoothie.

>

> 1 cup Coconut Milk is equal to 2 tbsp. of the Oil according to Dr. Bruce.

>

> Bonnie

> Re: New to this

>

> I have a question, I'm a newbie too, do you add it to water or hot

> tea? also where can you buy coconut oil?

> I need to lose weight, and heard it helps

> thanks

> Jenn

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi there! My name is . I am 32. I was just told about

> > Virgin

> > > Coconut Oil this past week. It was suggested to lose weight.

> When

> > I

> > > went to the health food store to buy it I was astonished at the

> > > calories and sat fat content. I gained about 70lbs when I was

> > > pregnant (had baby 2 years ago). I have about 20 more to lose. I

> > > have been really trying to eat right for the most part and

> > exercise

> > > as much as I can (tho I do HATE it). But these last 20 lbs are

> > > impossible and ALL in my lower abs.

> > >

> > > Anyway...since getting home from the store I have been reading a

> > lot

> > > on it and there is SOOOO much conflicting info. I read an

> article

> > by

> > > Dr Weil which says NOT to take it. And another on WebMD that has

> > bad

> > > opinions in there as well.

> > >

> > > I just dont know what to think.

> > >

> > > I would LOVE some advice from you experts Should I take this?

> > > Does it interact with medications? Have any side effects? How to

> > > take it? How much? Anything you can think to tell me would be SO

> > > appreciated!!

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cool. I will try that when I finish this jar of oil. Thanks!! Is it just

called coconut milk or are there special kinds?

Rayne

http://spaces.msn.com/members/CheersRayne/

Re: Re: New to this

Hurraye for . You can do it girl.

I like it much better using Coconut Milk and making it into a Smoothie.

1 cup Coconut Milk is equal to 2 tbsp. of the Oil according to Dr. Bruce.

Bonnie

Re: New to this

I have a question, I'm a newbie too, do you add it to water or hot

tea? also where can you buy coconut oil?

I need to lose weight, and heard it helps

thanks

Jenn

> >

> > Hi there! My name is . I am 32. I was just told about

> Virgin

> > Coconut Oil this past week. It was suggested to lose weight.

When

> I

> > went to the health food store to buy it I was astonished at the

> > calories and sat fat content. I gained about 70lbs when I was

> > pregnant (had baby 2 years ago). I have about 20 more to lose. I

> > have been really trying to eat right for the most part and

> exercise

> > as much as I can (tho I do HATE it). But these last 20 lbs are

> > impossible and ALL in my lower abs.

> >

> > Anyway...since getting home from the store I have been reading a

> lot

> > on it and there is SOOOO much conflicting info. I read an

article

> by

> > Dr Weil which says NOT to take it. And another on WebMD that has

> bad

> > opinions in there as well.

> >

> > I just dont know what to think.

> >

> > I would LOVE some advice from you experts Should I take this?

> > Does it interact with medications? Have any side effects? How to

> > take it? How much? Anything you can think to tell me would be SO

> > appreciated!!

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I didn't know the coconut milk (canned) was pasteurized, how naive of me.

Dr. Bruce has many recipes using the canned milk and I thought that meant it was

okay. I sure have a lot to learn.

His books say that 1 cup equals 2 tbsp. of the VCO and you can get your oil that

way as well.

Bonnie

Re: New to this

>

> I have a question, I'm a newbie too, do you add it to water or hot

> tea? also where can you buy coconut oil?

> I need to lose weight, and heard it helps

> thanks

> Jenn

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi there! My name is . I am 32. I was just told about

> > Virgin

> > > Coconut Oil this past week. It was suggested to lose weight.

> When

> > I

> > > went to the health food store to buy it I was astonished at the

> > > calories and sat fat content. I gained about 70lbs when I was

> > > pregnant (had baby 2 years ago). I have about 20 more to lose. I

> > > have been really trying to eat right for the most part and

> > exercise

> > > as much as I can (tho I do HATE it). But these last 20 lbs are

> > > impossible and ALL in my lower abs.

> > >

> > > Anyway...since getting home from the store I have been reading a

> > lot

> > > on it and there is SOOOO much conflicting info. I read an

> article

> > by

> > > Dr Weil which says NOT to take it. And another on WebMD that has

> > bad

> > > opinions in there as well.

> > >

> > > I just dont know what to think.

> > >

> > > I would LOVE some advice from you experts Should I take this?

> > > Does it interact with medications? Have any side effects? How to

> > > take it? How much? Anything you can think to tell me would be SO

> > > appreciated!!

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

I buy the Organic Coconut Milk, so there is no Sodium Bisulphite or Meta

Bisulphite in it. There is also the LITE Coconut Milk but it has much less of

the Oil and you wouldn't want that. I'm in Canada and I buy the Premium Organic

Coconut Oil.

Bonnie

Re: New to this

I have a question, I'm a newbie too, do you add it to water or hot

tea? also where can you buy coconut oil?

I need to lose weight, and heard it helps

thanks

Jenn

> >

> > Hi there! My name is . I am 32. I was just told about

> Virgin

> > Coconut Oil this past week. It was suggested to lose weight.

When

> I

> > went to the health food store to buy it I was astonished at the

> > calories and sat fat content. I gained about 70lbs when I was

> > pregnant (had baby 2 years ago). I have about 20 more to lose. I

> > have been really trying to eat right for the most part and

> exercise

> > as much as I can (tho I do HATE it). But these last 20 lbs are

> > impossible and ALL in my lower abs.

> >

> > Anyway...since getting home from the store I have been reading a

> lot

> > on it and there is SOOOO much conflicting info. I read an

article

> by

> > Dr Weil which says NOT to take it. And another on WebMD that has

> bad

> > opinions in there as well.

> >

> > I just dont know what to think.

> >

> > I would LOVE some advice from you experts Should I take this?

> > Does it interact with medications? Have any side effects? How to

> > take it? How much? Anything you can think to tell me would be SO

> > appreciated!!

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yea, it tastes a little like coconut, but a lot like wax too lol. I LOVE the

taste of coconut and it doesn’t taste like straight up coconut

unfortunately.

Rayne

http://spaces.msn.com/members/CheersRayne/

Re: New to this

Was this the coconut-flavored VCO? I find it quite yummy and use it

like butter. Smashed potatoes get really creamy and have such a

nice flavor. anything hot, I put it in - try it in cocoa or hot

chocolate, whatever you want to call it. Yeah it floats on the top

a bit, but a quick stir, and it disappears.

Carolsea

> > >

> > > Hi there! My name is . I am 32. I was just told about

> > Virgin

> > > Coconut Oil this past week. It was suggested to lose weight.

> When

> > I

> > > went to the health food store to buy it I was astonished at

the

> > > calories and sat fat content. I gained about 70lbs when I was

> > > pregnant (had baby 2 years ago). I have about 20 more to lose.

I

> > > have been really trying to eat right for the most part and

> > exercise

> > > as much as I can (tho I do HATE it). But these last 20 lbs are

> > > impossible and ALL in my lower abs.

> > >

> > > Anyway...since getting home from the store I have been reading

a

> > lot

> > > on it and there is SOOOO much conflicting info. I read an

> article

> > by

> > > Dr Weil which says NOT to take it. And another on WebMD that

has

> > bad

> > > opinions in there as well.

> > >

> > > I just dont know what to think.

> > >

> > > I would LOVE some advice from you experts Should I take

this?

> > > Does it interact with medications? Have any side effects? How

to

> > > take it? How much? Anything you can think to tell me would be

SO

> > > appreciated!!

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bonnie,

Thank you!! May I ask what type of heart irregularities you have? I was

disgnosed with SVT (superventricular tachy) but it may just be IST

(inappropriate sinus tachy). I also get PVCs (skipped beats) – but not so

much now that I am on medicine. Energy would be good. My meds keep me in a

pretty good slump most of the time. But I certainly do not need any

nervousness, jitteryness, anxiety, ya know??

Thank you very much for the response!!!

Rayne

http://spaces.msn.com/members/CheersRayne/

Re: Re: New to this

:

It's quite likely that the VCO will give you more energy but I don't think

it's stimulating, like making you nervous. I too am prone to heartbeat

irregularities but NEVER have them while I'm taking VCO. But do at other

times, when I'm not. I think that's a great bonus not to have that anymore.

I also cannot take Decongestants for fear of a racing heart that keeps me

awake.

As long as I watch my Carb intake, I can lose a pound a day without being

hungry and not exercising.

Bonnie

Re: New to this

>

Hi, ,

I started taking the coconut oil just over two weeks ago and had a

lovely suprise when i stepped on the scales this morning. I've lost

several pounds already and had 10lbs to lose that i haven't been

able to shift over the last couple of years even eating really

sensibly, with no junk food. I have a sluggish thyroid but taking

my temperture this morning in was up to nearly normal.

Don't be scared of it but i suggest start with a teaspoon 3 times a

day with meals and build up to 3 1/2 tbsp and see how you tolerate

it. It can give you the runs or affect you the other way to start

with and has a detox affect on the body. I got a sore throat and

cough that co-incided with taking it and felt fatigued to start

with. Today my energy is up and apart from this break in my chores

I'm whizzing around doing lots of housework and i'm buzzing. I

suggest you read Bruce Fife's books that you can get on Amazon or

various websites that promote vco, to learn all the marvellous

benefits you can get from this oil. I was dubious at first, is this

just another fad that will let me down in my search for more energy

to do the things i want to do? I think this is for real even though

part of me still can't believe it.

Hope you get all the benefits you wish for yourself

Sally

ps the coconut milk(bought in 14oz cans from most supermarkets) is

good as well.

> Hi there! My name is . I am 32. I was just told about

Virgin

> Coconut Oil this past week. It was suggested to lose weight. When

I

> went to the health food store to buy it I was astonished at the

> calories and sat fat content. I gained about 70lbs when I was

> pregnant (had baby 2 years ago). I have about 20 more to lose. I

> have been really trying to eat right for the most part and

exercise

> as much as I can (tho I do HATE it). But these last 20 lbs are

> impossible and ALL in my lower abs.

>

> Anyway...since getting home from the store I have been reading a

lot

> on it and there is SOOOO much conflicting info. I read an article

by

> Dr Weil which says NOT to take it. And another on WebMD that has

bad

> opinions in there as well.

>

> I just dont know what to think.

>

> I would LOVE some advice from you experts Should I take this?

> Does it interact with medications? Have any side effects? How to

> take it? How much? Anything you can think to tell me would be SO

> appreciated!!

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

I've never had symptoms when I've been at my doctor's office to actually have

him tell me what it's called. It's probably PVC's. A few months ago, I was

taking Baking Soda to try and help with this Acidosis and it caused my heart to

speed up to 160 bpm. Scarey.

Bonnie

Re: New to this

>

Hi, ,

I started taking the coconut oil just over two weeks ago and had a

lovely suprise when i stepped on the scales this morning. I've lost

several pounds already and had 10lbs to lose that i haven't been

able to shift over the last couple of years even eating really

sensibly, with no junk food. I have a sluggish thyroid but taking

my temperture this morning in was up to nearly normal.

Don't be scared of it but i suggest start with a teaspoon 3 times a

day with meals and build up to 3 1/2 tbsp and see how you tolerate

it. It can give you the runs or affect you the other way to start

with and has a detox affect on the body. I got a sore throat and

cough that co-incided with taking it and felt fatigued to start

with. Today my energy is up and apart from this break in my chores

I'm whizzing around doing lots of housework and i'm buzzing. I

suggest you read Bruce Fife's books that you can get on Amazon or

various websites that promote vco, to learn all the marvellous

benefits you can get from this oil. I was dubious at first, is this

just another fad that will let me down in my search for more energy

to do the things i want to do? I think this is for real even though

part of me still can't believe it.

Hope you get all the benefits you wish for yourself

Sally

ps the coconut milk(bought in 14oz cans from most supermarkets) is

good as well.

> Hi there! My name is . I am 32. I was just told about

Virgin

> Coconut Oil this past week. It was suggested to lose weight. When

I

> went to the health food store to buy it I was astonished at the

> calories and sat fat content. I gained about 70lbs when I was

> pregnant (had baby 2 years ago). I have about 20 more to lose. I

> have been really trying to eat right for the most part and

exercise

> as much as I can (tho I do HATE it). But these last 20 lbs are

> impossible and ALL in my lower abs.

>

> Anyway...since getting home from the store I have been reading a

lot

> on it and there is SOOOO much conflicting info. I read an article

by

> Dr Weil which says NOT to take it. And another on WebMD that has

bad

> opinions in there as well.

>

> I just dont know what to think.

>

> I would LOVE some advice from you experts Should I take this?

> Does it interact with medications? Have any side effects? How to

> take it? How much? Anything you can think to tell me would be SO

> appreciated!!

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Baking soda??? Weird!!! Did you ever find out why baking soda would do

that?? Yea, when I was diagnosed I was in the ER with a rate of 150-170 for

over hours sustained. I never EVER want to feel that again. My BP dropped to

50/30. Very scary. But they STILL tell me it isn’t life threatening. Sure

heck feels like it tho!!!

Rayne

http://spaces.msn.com/members/CheersRayne/

Re: Re: New to this

:

I've never had symptoms when I've been at my doctor's office to actually

have him tell me what it's called. It's probably PVC's. A few months ago, I

was taking Baking Soda to try and help with this Acidosis and it caused my

heart to speed up to 160 bpm. Scarey.

Bonnie

Re: New to this

>

Hi, ,

I started taking the coconut oil just over two weeks ago and had a

lovely suprise when i stepped on the scales this morning. I've lost

several pounds already and had 10lbs to lose that i haven't been

able to shift over the last couple of years even eating really

sensibly, with no junk food. I have a sluggish thyroid but taking

my temperture this morning in was up to nearly normal.

Don't be scared of it but i suggest start with a teaspoon 3 times a

day with meals and build up to 3 1/2 tbsp and see how you tolerate

it. It can give you the runs or affect you the other way to start

with and has a detox affect on the body. I got a sore throat and

cough that co-incided with taking it and felt fatigued to start

with. Today my energy is up and apart from this break in my chores

I'm whizzing around doing lots of housework and i'm buzzing. I

suggest you read Bruce Fife's books that you can get on Amazon or

various websites that promote vco, to learn all the marvellous

benefits you can get from this oil. I was dubious at first, is this

just another fad that will let me down in my search for more energy

to do the things i want to do? I think this is for real even though

part of me still can't believe it.

Hope you get all the benefits you wish for yourself

Sally

ps the coconut milk(bought in 14oz cans from most supermarkets) is

good as well.

> Hi there! My name is . I am 32. I was just told about

Virgin

> Coconut Oil this past week. It was suggested to lose weight. When

I

> went to the health food store to buy it I was astonished at the

> calories and sat fat content. I gained about 70lbs when I was

> pregnant (had baby 2 years ago). I have about 20 more to lose. I

> have been really trying to eat right for the most part and

exercise

> as much as I can (tho I do HATE it). But these last 20 lbs are

> impossible and ALL in my lower abs.

>

> Anyway...since getting home from the store I have been reading a

lot

> on it and there is SOOOO much conflicting info. I read an article

by

> Dr Weil which says NOT to take it. And another on WebMD that has

bad

> opinions in there as well.

>

> I just dont know what to think.

>

> I would LOVE some advice from you experts Should I take this?

> Does it interact with medications? Have any side effects? How to

> take it? How much? Anything you can think to tell me would be SO

> appreciated!!

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/13/2006 9:00:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

yoganina@... writes:

Also, I do NOT want to gain EXTRA weight!!

I am not sure who the original poster of this was since I have been gone for

the weekend and have quite a few messages to go thru! But...I did want to

mention that I just started on VCO after losing 35 lbs on a 1000 calories a

day low in fat...diet...I have been a bit terrified of gaining it back. Using

VCO just seems like a lot of oil to use since I am not a big oil user in

general...I have gone thru about 4 jars now using it in popcorn which tends to

upset my stomach but mostly just in my steel cut oats in the morning with

ground

flax seed...I have actually gained weight with it...probably about 5

lbs....I was just up this morning re-thinking how or if to use it. I want the

health

benefits but I still have at least another 20lbs well now 25 lbs to lose and

I just have not experienced the *speeding up my metabolism effect* others

have talked about...I would so have loved it if that has worked for me! I have

really been reading on eating whole foods and have changed over to making my

own bread and grounding my own flour even....so will just keep implementing

good choices and hope my body catches up with all the good stuff!! Beth in

Idaho

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/15/2006 9:15:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

yoganina@... writes:

Beth, eventually your 1000-calorie, low-fat diet will catch up with you,

because your body needs fat and energy. Perhaps you have gained weight

because your body is seizing upon the opportunity to catch up on something

that it has been missing. I'd like to recommend eliminating ground flour

products, even hand-ground, and observing the effects. The particles of the

grains should be large and whole, and then well-cooked. Do you eat brown

rice, buckwheat, barley and so forth? Eliminating flour products can go a

long way towards stabilizing your weight.

I used to be 50 pounds heavier than I am, so I feel your pain.

Hi Nina...

I had actually been off the 1000 calorie low fat diet for about 2 months

when I began adding in the vco. I had started losing my hair in handfuls and

decided that 1000 calories just was not enough to substain me! So I started

eating a pretty normal diet trying to eat healthy but not counting every

calorie....then I read on the vco...and thought that this would be a great

answer...and maybe it is....I have started baking bread and actually found this

really

helps with having more fiber...I do believe if I eat too much it could really

not be good....is popcorn considered a grain? In the book Eat Fat Lose

Fat...by Sally Fallon...they have a recipe in there for sesame oil, coconut oil,

and olive oil...to use when making popcorn...I was going to make that up today

and use it instead of the straight vco.

I rarely eat rice never buckwheat. So could I still eat steel cut oats and

eliminate the flour too? I just do not know what to eat!! Would love an

outline of a daily food journal!

Thanks for your input....Beth

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/15/2006 10:16:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

sally.hoffman@... writes:

I'm not supprised you gained weight to start with if you have been

on such a low calorie diet. Your body goes into starvation mode and

soon as you eat a bit more the body starts storing it. I've heard

some people's weight does increase initially on the oil and then

they start to lose it. 4 tubs you say, you need to look at the type

of food you eat. Bruce Fife's book 'Eat fat, look thin'is

interesting reading.

Sally

Hi Sally....yes I do agree with the info on the body going into the

starvation mode and then just gaining when adding extra calories...I just

responded

to Nina's email and mentioned that I had been off that a couple months before

adding the vco because I wanted my body to be able to maintain on a normal

amt of calories a day and I was trying to stop my hair from falling out. I

have used the 4 jars of vco over the last several weeks and some has been used

for baking so I have a the small container of the vco and taking out say a cup

for something I was baking uses a lot of it up quickly!

I have the Coconut Miracle book by Bruce Fife and find it interesting a lot

of his recipes use sugar...which I am trying to get off of....

I just ordered Cherie the juiceladys book on The coconut diet as well....I

have juiced in the past but do not think I could do her diet totally....I am

just looking for balance with no weight gain and some more loss!! But I don't

want my hair to fall out either! Beth

[Guest guest]

I hear ya. I JUST posted about this. And now after reading what you said…I

really really am unsure.

Rayne

http://spaces.msn.com/members/CheersRayne/

Re: Re: New to this

In a message dated 10/13/2006 9:00:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

yoganinaalum (DOT) <mailto:yoganina%40alum.barnard.edu> barnard.edu writes:

Also, I do NOT want to gain EXTRA weight!!

I am not sure who the original poster of this was since I have been gone for

the weekend and have quite a few messages to go thru! But...I did want to

mention that I just started on VCO after losing 35 lbs on a 1000 calories a

day low in fat...diet...I have been a bit terrified of gaining it back.

Using

VCO just seems like a lot of oil to use since I am not a big oil user in

general...I have gone thru about 4 jars now using it in popcorn which tends

to

upset my stomach but mostly just in my steel cut oats in the morning with

ground

flax seed...I have actually gained weight with it...probably about 5

lbs....I was just up this morning re-thinking how or if to use it. I want

the health

benefits but I still have at least another 20lbs well now 25 lbs to lose and

I just have not experienced the *speeding up my metabolism effect* others

have talked about...I would so have loved it if that has worked for me! I

have

really been reading on eating whole foods and have changed over to making my

own bread and grounding my own flour even....so will just keep implementing

good choices and hope my body catches up with all the good stuff!! Beth in

Idaho

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/15/2006 12:35:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

sally.hoffman@... writes:

o

processed foods and have started to make my own bread because

supermarket bread has soya in and vegetable fats

That is great you have lost some weight on it! That is always encouraging to

hear!

Would you mind sharing your bread recipe? I was reading on soaking your

grains and since I do not have my own mill I am not sure how to do that or if I

even can. I have been going down to a supermarket that has a mill and doing it

that way. I just got back a bit ago from grinding some flour and have some

whole wheat bread in process as I type! I do try to stay away from store bought

bread and even our co-op uses canola oil in theirs so try to stay away from

that as well.

I hate to totally give up healthy carbs..I eat steel cut oats in the morning

with vco and flax seed and was adding a bit of walnuts....but wondering if I

should give up the walnuts....I do not drink milk very often at all...I do

buy organic for my daughter but now reading raw is better...so confusing!

Beth

[Guest guest]

Beth, eventually your 1000-calorie, low-fat diet will catch up with you,

because your body needs fat and energy. Perhaps you have gained weight

because your body is seizing upon the opportunity to catch up on something

that it has been missing. I'd like to recommend eliminating ground flour

products, even hand-ground, and observing the effects. The particles of the

grains should be large and whole, and then well-cooked. Do you eat brown

rice, buckwheat, barley and so forth? Eliminating flour products can go a

long way towards stabilizing your weight.

I used to be 50 pounds heavier than I am, so I feel your pain.

Hope this helps.

Nina

Re: Re: New to this

In a message dated 10/13/2006 9:00:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

yoganina@... writes:

Also, I do NOT want to gain EXTRA weight!!

I am not sure who the original poster of this was since I have been gone

for

the weekend and have quite a few messages to go thru! But...I did want to

mention that I just started on VCO after losing 35 lbs on a 1000 calories a

day low in fat...diet...I have been a bit terrified of gaining it back.

Using

VCO just seems like a lot of oil to use since I am not a big oil user in

general...I have gone thru about 4 jars now using it in popcorn which tends

to

upset my stomach but mostly just in my steel cut oats in the morning with

ground

flax seed...I have actually gained weight with it...probably about 5

lbs....I was just up this morning re-thinking how or if to use it. I want

the health

benefits but I still have at least another 20lbs well now 25 lbs to lose

and

I just have not experienced the *speeding up my metabolism effect* others

have talked about...I would so have loved it if that has worked for me! I

have

really been reading on eating whole foods and have changed over to making my

own bread and grounding my own flour even....so will just keep implementing

good choices and hope my body catches up with all the good stuff!! Beth in

Idaho

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-Beth

I'm not supprised you gained weight to start with if you have been

on such a low calorie diet. Your body goes into starvation mode and

soon as you eat a bit more the body starts storing it. I've heard

some people's weight does increase initially on the oil and then

they start to lose it. 4 tubs you say, you need to look at the type

of food you eat. Bruce Fife's book 'Eat fat, look thin'is

interesting reading.

Sally

Coconut Oil , jun1488@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/13/2006 9:00:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> yoganina@... writes:

>

> Also, I do NOT want to gain EXTRA weight!!

>

>

>

> I am not sure who the original poster of this was since I have

been gone for

> the weekend and have quite a few messages to go thru! But...I

did want to

> mention that I just started on VCO after losing 35 lbs on a 1000

calories a

> day low in fat...diet...I have been a bit terrified of gaining it

back. Using

> VCO just seems like a lot of oil to use since I am not a big oil

user in

> general...I have gone thru about 4 jars now using it in popcorn

which tends to

> upset my stomach but mostly just in my steel cut oats in the

morning with ground

> flax seed...I have actually gained weight with it...probably about

5

> lbs....I was just up this morning re-thinking how or if to use it.

I want the health

> benefits but I still have at least another 20lbs well now 25 lbs

to lose and

> I just have not experienced the *speeding up my metabolism effect*

others

> have talked about...I would so have loved it if that has worked

for me! I have

> really been reading on eating whole foods and have changed over to

making my

> own bread and grounding my own flour even....so will just keep

implementing

> good choices and hope my body catches up with all the good

stuff!! Beth in

> Idaho

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Beth,

Yes, it's a difficult one isn't it, knowing how to approach losing

weight. Some go on the low carb with taking vco, personally I just

eat simply. Fruit, veggies, meat, fish, eggs, nuts and seeds,

cereals, grains. no milk,chesse or marg. I use oat milk, vco,

butter and olive oil and the coconut milk. I keep it simple. No

processed foods and have started to make my own bread because

supermarket bread has soya in and vegetable fats. I been taking the

vco for a couple of weeks and have gone down a few pounds. I'm

mainly taking it for thyroid problems and the jury's still out on

that one. I want to give it a fair trial so will continue, it

doesn't do any harm i'm sure and must be better than eating

margerine.

I don't know what to suggest really but so many people have lost

weight using it i would persevere and give it time to prove itself

one way or another. You could always adapt receipes, omitting the

sugar.

Sally

-- In Coconut Oil , jun1488@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 10/15/2006 10:16:36 A.M. Pacific Standard

Time,

> sally.hoffman@... writes:

>

> I'm not supprised you gained weight to start with if you have

been

> on such a low calorie diet. Your body goes into starvation mode

and

> soon as you eat a bit more the body starts storing it. I've heard

> some people's weight does increase initially on the oil and then

> they start to lose it. 4 tubs you say, you need to look at the

type

> of food you eat. Bruce Fife's book 'Eat fat, look thin'is

> interesting reading.

> Sally

>

>

> Hi Sally....yes I do agree with the info on the body going into

the

> starvation mode and then just gaining when adding extra

calories...I just responded

> to Nina's email and mentioned that I had been off that a couple

months before

> adding the vco because I wanted my body to be able to maintain on

a normal

> amt of calories a day and I was trying to stop my hair from

falling out. I

> have used the 4 jars of vco over the last several weeks and some

has been used

> for baking so I have a the small container of the vco and taking

out say a cup

> for something I was baking uses a lot of it up quickly!

>

> I have the Coconut Miracle book by Bruce Fife and find it

interesting a lot

> of his recipes use sugar...which I am trying to get off of....

>

> I just ordered Cherie the juiceladys book on The coconut diet as

well....I

> have juiced in the past but do not think I could do her diet

totally....I am

> just looking for balance with no weight gain and some more loss!!

But I don't

> want my hair to fall out either! Beth

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> In a message dated 10/15/2006 12:35:15 P.M. Pacific Standard

Time,

> sally.hoffman@... writes:

>

> o

> processed foods and have started to make my own bread because

> supermarket bread has soya in and vegetable fats

> Beth,

I just use strong wholemeal bread flour i buy from the supermarket.

There was a receipe on the packet and on the yeast packet. I've

just bought a bread making machine and am using receipe from the

book that came with it. I've had to adapt it because they use

sunflower oil and skimmed milk powder. You can you vco or butter

instead of the oil. It seems a bit unnecessary to grind your own

flour and seems a right hassle. Is there any particular reason that

you are doing it from scratch. Why do you have to soak the grains?

I'm not that bothered about avoiding carbs myself, just don't eat to

many, and everything in moderation. I just want to avoid the bad

oils and soya which is not good for your thyroid. If you make things

to difficult and complicated for yourself you will just stress

yourself out. Keep it simple, and be aware of portion size. Use

smaller dinner plate if that helps and eat slowly and be aware of

every mouthful. And chew every mouthful lots of times.(got that from

Mckenna's book.)

Goodnight

Sally.

>

> That is great you have lost some weight on it! That is always

encouraging to

> hear!

>

> Would you mind sharing your bread recipe? I was reading on

soaking your

> grains and since I do not have my own mill I am not sure how to do

that or if I

> even can. I have been going down to a supermarket that has a mill

and doing it

> that way. I just got back a bit ago from grinding some flour and

have some

> whole wheat bread in process as I type! I do try to stay away from

store bought

> bread and even our co-op uses canola oil in theirs so try to stay

away from

> that as well.

>

> I hate to totally give up healthy carbs..I eat steel cut oats in

the morning

> with vco and flax seed and was adding a bit of walnuts....but

wondering if I

> should give up the walnuts....I do not drink milk very often at

all...I do

> buy organic for my daughter but now reading raw is better...so

confusing!

>

> Beth

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Beth,

Steel cut oats are a fine start. It sounds like you are doing wonderfully

already. You are really on the road. I would check into brown rice (there

are many kinds of whole rice), buckwheat, and unrefined barley, quinoa,

amarinth - go gradually until you get a bit more familiar. If you are

eliminating flour, you will need to replace it with whole grains. I

recommend whole grains, beans of all kinds, brightly colored vegetables of

all colors, raw pickles (e.g., sauerkraut), sea vegetables, fermented soy

products from abroad (NOT American soy), nuts and seeds as much as you like.

Some people like to sprout their grains and beans, although I don't do that.

Fish is fine about once a week or so. Treat fruit as a luxury not a

staple - it is a simple sugar. And, of course, healthy fats and oils,

starting with VCO.

These are my opinions, of course others will disagree, which is fine - there

are many ways to skin a cat, and everybody needs to discover their own way

of eating. If you would like books or cookbooks to help with my

suggestions, start in the macrobiotic section of a bookstore, or get a book

on vegan cooking. Of course you don't need to be vegan yourself, I am just

saying that this is where you will find good plant-based cookbooks.

You might also try books by T. Colin and Robbins. Robbins has

a new book out: Healthy at 100. He looks at a number of traditional

societies with outstanding records for health and longevity, and shows the

similarities in their diets. They are as I have described above. Bruce

Fife, in his book on Saturated Fat, also talks about traditional diets, and

in the back of the book he recommends a grain-bean-vegetable diet for

healing almost every condition in the list. Around the world, that's the

way people generally do it, with exceptions for people such as the Eskimo

and the Masai. They are also healthy. None of these people eat refined

sugar or refined flour.

I hope this helps.

Nina

<<I rarely eat rice never buckwheat. So could I still eat steel cut oats

and

eliminate the flour too? I just do not know what to eat!! Would love an

outline of a daily food journal!

Thanks for your input....Beth>>

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I should have added - the Eskimos, Masai et al. used to be healthy. Today

they too eat Western junk and have lost their good health. It's happened to

just about every population in the world.

Nina

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I want to share my personal experience, as it might help someone else out there.

IT IS BEST TO PROCEED SLOW WHILE TRYING A NEW DIET REGIME. We tend to try all

those things that are suppose to be healthy. There are certain group of people

who have problem eliminating estrogen very efficiently out of body. People who

took alpha blockers, anti-histamines, prilosac, flu medication etc in the past

suffer from this problem, it takes some time to recover from this problem. For

such people soy products are the worst food to be consumed, so and so the

fermented soy contains many folds of plant estrogen. In fighting the estrogenic

effect of the soy, our body overworks and makes certain hormones that causes

inflammation and weight gain, constant feeling of panic.

Coconut oil still goes well for such people. but one need to start right from

drinking purified water, containing no fluoride, then ovoiding soy products and

commercial bread. choosing buckwheat and millet at times instead of wheat. and

the list goes on. I always tried to introduce only one new food at a time and

tried for a week, doing so helps to point out any particular effect of the new

food.

if some one needs more info, can e-mail me directly.

Nina Moliver <yoganina@...> wrote:

Beth,

Steel cut oats are a fine start. It sounds like you are doing wonderfully

already. You are really on the road. I would check into brown rice (there

are many kinds of whole rice), buckwheat, and unrefined barley, quinoa,

amarinth - go gradually until you get a bit more familiar. If you are

eliminating flour, you will need to replace it with whole grains. I

recommend whole grains, beans of all kinds, brightly colored vegetables of

all colors, raw pickles (e.g., sauerkraut), sea vegetables, fermented soy

products from abroad (NOT American soy), nuts and seeds as much as you like.

Some people like to sprout their grains and beans, although I don't do that.

Fish is fine about once a week or so. Treat fruit as a luxury not a

staple - it is a simple sugar. And, of course, healthy fats and oils,

starting with VCO.

These are my opinions, of course others will disagree, which is fine - there

are many ways to skin a cat, and everybody needs to discover their own way

of eating. If you would like books or cookbooks to help with my

suggestions, start in the macrobiotic section of a bookstore, or get a book

on vegan cooking. Of course you don't need to be vegan yourself, I am just

saying that this is where you will find good plant-based cookbooks.

You might also try books by T. Colin and Robbins. Robbins has

a new book out: Healthy at 100. He looks at a number of traditional

societies with outstanding records for health and longevity, and shows the

similarities in their diets. They are as I have described above. Bruce

Fife, in his book on Saturated Fat, also talks about traditional diets, and

in the back of the book he recommends a grain-bean-vegetable diet for

healing almost every condition in the list. Around the world, that's the

way people generally do it, with exceptions for people such as the Eskimo

and the Masai. They are also healthy. None of these people eat refined

sugar or refined flour.

I hope this helps.

Nina

<and

eliminate the flour too? I just do not know what to eat!! Would love an

outline of a daily food journal!

Thanks for your input....Beth>>

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IMO, dieting primarily for the sake of losing weight almost never results in

healthy choices. Just because you're thin doesn't mean you're healthy!

Choosing a truly healthy, largely raw-food diet and sticking to it without

depriving yourself of calories will eventually result in healthy weight

loss, and you'll feel so good! Remember how many years it took you to put

on the weight - it's not going to come off in a snap. As your body detoxes

and becomes more alkaline, the weight will come off, though (and with a good

exercise regimen, of course, especially light weight-bearing exercises). I

recommend the book, " Alkalize or Die " by Theodore A. Baroody. He asserts

that basically all health problems stem from the body's being too acidic,

and says that every extra pound we carry could be eliminated by a more

alkaline diet. I've talked to so many people who have cured tons of

ailments simply by become more alkaline.

Also, my #1 favorite book on healthy eating is Alissa Cohen's, " Living on

Live Food. " I'm gathering more info before I decide how much I agree with a

100% raw diet, but this book has some very motivating and helpful

information for anyone who wants to incorporate more raw food into their

diet.

-

On 10/15/06, Natish Goad <natish_super@...> wrote:

>

> I want to share my personal experience, as it might help someone else

> out there.

>

> IT IS BEST TO PROCEED SLOW WHILE TRYING A NEW DIET REGIME. We tend to try

> all those things that are suppose to be healthy. There are certain group of

> people who have problem eliminating estrogen very efficiently out of body.

> People who took alpha blockers, anti-histamines, prilosac, flu medication

> etc in the past suffer from this problem, it takes some time to recover from

> this problem. For such people soy products are the worst food to be

> consumed, so and so the fermented soy contains many folds of plant estrogen.

> In fighting the estrogenic effect of the soy, our body overworks and makes

> certain hormones that causes inflammation and weight gain, constant feeling

> of panic.

> Coconut oil still goes well for such people. but one need to start right

> from drinking purified water, containing no fluoride, then ovoiding soy

> products and commercial bread. choosing buckwheat and millet at times

> instead of wheat. and the list goes on. I always tried to introduce only one

> new food at a time and tried for a week, doing so helps to point out any

> particular effect of the new food.

> if some one needs more info, can e-mail me directly.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nina Moliver <yoganina@... <yoganina%40alum.barnard.edu>>

> wrote:

> Beth,

>

> Steel cut oats are a fine start. It sounds like you are doing wonderfully

> already. You are really on the road. I would check into brown rice (there

> are many kinds of whole rice), buckwheat, and unrefined barley, quinoa,

> amarinth - go gradually until you get a bit more familiar. If you are

> eliminating flour, you will need to replace it with whole grains. I

> recommend whole grains, beans of all kinds, brightly colored vegetables of

> all colors, raw pickles (e.g., sauerkraut), sea vegetables, fermented soy

> products from abroad (NOT American soy), nuts and seeds as much as you

> like.

> Some people like to sprout their grains and beans, although I don't do

> that.

> Fish is fine about once a week or so. Treat fruit as a luxury not a

> staple - it is a simple sugar. And, of course, healthy fats and oils,

> starting with VCO.

>

> These are my opinions, of course others will disagree, which is fine -

> there

> are many ways to skin a cat, and everybody needs to discover their own way

> of eating. If you would like books or cookbooks to help with my

> suggestions, start in the macrobiotic section of a bookstore, or get a

> book

> on vegan cooking. Of course you don't need to be vegan yourself, I am just

> saying that this is where you will find good plant-based cookbooks.

>

> You might also try books by T. Colin and Robbins. Robbins

> has

> a new book out: Healthy at 100. He looks at a number of traditional

> societies with outstanding records for health and longevity, and shows the

> similarities in their diets. They are as I have described above. Bruce

> Fife, in his book on Saturated Fat, also talks about traditional diets,

> and

> in the back of the book he recommends a grain-bean-vegetable diet for

> healing almost every condition in the list. Around the world, that's the

> way people generally do it, with exceptions for people such as the Eskimo

> and the Masai. They are also healthy. None of these people eat refined

> sugar or refined flour.

>

> I hope this helps.

>

> Nina

>

> <and

> eliminate the flour too? I just do not know what to eat!! Would love an

> outline of a daily food journal!

>

> Thanks for your input....Beth>>

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Beth:

If you want VCO to help you lose weight, I believe you really need to cut down

on the Carbs, less bread for instance. I don't know about popcorn. I find it

very easy to gain, even just having a Creamsicle which isn't very big so I just

stick to meat and vegetables, fish and salad but little fruit.

Hope this helps.

Bonnie

Re: Re: New to this

In a message dated 10/13/2006 9:00:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

yoganina@... writes:

Also, I do NOT want to gain EXTRA weight!!

I am not sure who the original poster of this was since I have been gone for

the weekend and have quite a few messages to go thru! But...I did want to

mention that I just started on VCO after losing 35 lbs on a 1000 calories a

day low in fat...diet...I have been a bit terrified of gaining it back. Using

VCO just seems like a lot of oil to use since I am not a big oil user in

general...I have gone thru about 4 jars now using it in popcorn which tends to

upset my stomach but mostly just in my steel cut oats in the morning with

ground

flax seed...I have actually gained weight with it...probably about 5

lbs....I was just up this morning re-thinking how or if to use it. I want the

health

benefits but I still have at least another 20lbs well now 25 lbs to lose and

I just have not experienced the *speeding up my metabolism effect* others

have talked about...I would so have loved it if that has worked for me! I have

really been reading on eating whole foods and have changed over to making my

own bread and grounding my own flour even....so will just keep implementing

good choices and hope my body catches up with all the good stuff!! Beth in

Idaho