The battle cry is out

[Guest guest]

Sonya,

I agree with ya. Your physician should support you regardless of his views

on WLS. So.... if that physician doesnt fit... try on another one. (just

like trying on shoes) I am glad that you found one that will support you.

Good luck on your journey!!

Gwen in Durham

In a message dated 12/6/2000 11:37:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

sdaniel592@... writes:

<< Pat,

Yesterday was the worst day for me, and I know there will be more. I just

started my journey to the dance. I saw my PCP yesterday and like you he did

not support this, NOR would he even listen to me. He said he would do the

letter for me but not support it.

I fired him and I hired another PCP today. I have to have support from both

my local physician and my family for this to be a success for me.

Let me know if EVERYBODY out there agrees!

Pre-Op

Sonya >>

[Guest guest]

Sonya,

I agree with ya. Your physician should support you regardless of his views

on WLS. So.... if that physician doesnt fit... try on another one. (just

like trying on shoes) I am glad that you found one that will support you.

Good luck on your journey!!

Gwen in Durham

In a message dated 12/6/2000 11:37:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

sdaniel592@... writes:

<< Pat,

Yesterday was the worst day for me, and I know there will be more. I just

started my journey to the dance. I saw my PCP yesterday and like you he did

not support this, NOR would he even listen to me. He said he would do the

letter for me but not support it.

I fired him and I hired another PCP today. I have to have support from both

my local physician and my family for this to be a success for me.

Let me know if EVERYBODY out there agrees!

Pre-Op

Sonya >>

[Guest guest]

I think that maybe it is time to find a new doctor. You need a doctor

who will listen to you and understand what you're going through. There

are lots of doctors out there that will listen and want to help.

OBESITY IS NOT A MENTAL ILLNESS. I think he needs a revised class in

psychology. Good luck and don't be afraid to change doctors. You still

have your history, just not with that doc.

Best wishes,

from Mich

MGB 12/21/00

[Guest guest]

I think that maybe it is time to find a new doctor. You need a doctor

who will listen to you and understand what you're going through. There

are lots of doctors out there that will listen and want to help.

OBESITY IS NOT A MENTAL ILLNESS. I think he needs a revised class in

psychology. Good luck and don't be afraid to change doctors. You still

have your history, just not with that doc.

Best wishes,

from Mich

MGB 12/21/00

[Guest guest]

Pat,

As a former mental health professional, I have a suggestion, Get the psy.

eval from a Dr. who can evaluate your " eating disorder " and rule it out.

The " rhymes with stick " Dr. will have a hard time arguing with that, and

if he tries, call the Ins. office and file a complaint against this Dr.

based on his bias against " fat " and tell them it sounds like

discrimination to you. The " D " word is often followed by litagation and

tends to scare the companies. Just a suggestion. I am NOT suggesting

litigation or even that you threaten it (if you start thinking that may

be a recourse for you, consult an attorney), just some language to use.

Anytime a health professional tries to superimpose their bias on you, try

upiing them with another Dr. who has EXPERTISE in the area they are

trying to stick you on!!

I worked with severly mentally and behaviorally disordered foster

children, I really had to be creative to get past roadblocks to get them

care and services. This is just a suggestion and I hope it has been of

some help to you.

Good Luck,

On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 03:55:07 -0000 " Pat Iurato "

writes:

> Well my insurance doctor who does the approvals is a " D--K " (sounds

> like stick). He does not believe in gastric surgery for obesity and

> is now making me jump thru hoops. I went thru this two years ago

> trying to get approved for surgery, I got so disgusted and fed up

> and

> I gave up. Not this time, he will have a battle on his hands.

> Now I have to get a MORE thorough nutritional assesment and he wants

>

> the doctor to tell him what kind of EATING DISORDER I have. Why is

> it

> then when you are obese some idiots think you have an eating

> disorder. I know this is a trick question and if I answer wrong, he

> will say that the so called eating disorder will not be helped by

> surgery. I need help Doc.........

> Please tell me what to tell these people. Any one have any ideas.

> Pat Iurato

> Nevada pre op

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pat,

As a former mental health professional, I have a suggestion, Get the psy.

eval from a Dr. who can evaluate your " eating disorder " and rule it out.

The " rhymes with stick " Dr. will have a hard time arguing with that, and

if he tries, call the Ins. office and file a complaint against this Dr.

based on his bias against " fat " and tell them it sounds like

discrimination to you. The " D " word is often followed by litagation and

tends to scare the companies. Just a suggestion. I am NOT suggesting

litigation or even that you threaten it (if you start thinking that may

be a recourse for you, consult an attorney), just some language to use.

Anytime a health professional tries to superimpose their bias on you, try

upiing them with another Dr. who has EXPERTISE in the area they are

trying to stick you on!!

I worked with severly mentally and behaviorally disordered foster

children, I really had to be creative to get past roadblocks to get them

care and services. This is just a suggestion and I hope it has been of

some help to you.

Good Luck,

On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 03:55:07 -0000 " Pat Iurato "

writes:

> Well my insurance doctor who does the approvals is a " D--K " (sounds

> like stick). He does not believe in gastric surgery for obesity and

> is now making me jump thru hoops. I went thru this two years ago

> trying to get approved for surgery, I got so disgusted and fed up

> and

> I gave up. Not this time, he will have a battle on his hands.

> Now I have to get a MORE thorough nutritional assesment and he wants

>

> the doctor to tell him what kind of EATING DISORDER I have. Why is

> it

> then when you are obese some idiots think you have an eating

> disorder. I know this is a trick question and if I answer wrong, he

> will say that the so called eating disorder will not be helped by

> surgery. I need help Doc.........

> Please tell me what to tell these people. Any one have any ideas.

> Pat Iurato

> Nevada pre op

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pat,

No problemo WTBW (want to be widdle) chick!! We have to stick

together!!! I am sure that your Dr. and you will be able to come up with

a strategy to show this guy that there is a surgery for fat but none we

know of for STUPID and IGNORANT!! He needs a psy eval, I bet his eval

would be pretty interesting and scary!!!

Good Luck, you are in my prayers!!

another WTBW chick

On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:35:52 EST iseeu25232@... writes:

> Thanks ,

> I had a psych eval done already but fortunately it is by a doctor I

> know

> personally. I will just have her do that. Its a great idea that I

> hadnt

> thought about yet.

> Thanks again

> Pat Iurato

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pat,

No problemo WTBW (want to be widdle) chick!! We have to stick

together!!! I am sure that your Dr. and you will be able to come up with

a strategy to show this guy that there is a surgery for fat but none we

know of for STUPID and IGNORANT!! He needs a psy eval, I bet his eval

would be pretty interesting and scary!!!

Good Luck, you are in my prayers!!

another WTBW chick

On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:35:52 EST iseeu25232@... writes:

> Thanks ,

> I had a psych eval done already but fortunately it is by a doctor I

> know

> personally. I will just have her do that. Its a great idea that I

> hadnt

> thought about yet.

> Thanks again

> Pat Iurato

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pat,

So sorry you have to deal with a super d*ck for a doc! I'm not in any position

to help you, tho. I was a self-pay because I didn't want to wait for a year or

two to fight an insurance idiot,like you're gonna have to do..

Best wishes, my friend. You're in my prayers.

Trudy

The battle cry is out

Well my insurance doctor who does the approvals is a " D--K " (sounds

like stick). He does not believe in gastric surgery for obesity and

is now making me jump thru hoops. I went thru this two years ago

trying to get approved for surgery, I got so disgusted and fed up and

I gave up. Not this time, he will have a battle on his hands.

Now I have to get a MORE thorough nutritional assesment and he wants

the doctor to tell him what kind of EATING DISORDER I have. Why is it

then when you are obese some idiots think you have an eating

disorder. I know this is a trick question and if I answer wrong, he

will say that the so called eating disorder will not be helped by

surgery. I need help Doc.........

Please tell me what to tell these people. Any one have any ideas.

Pat Iurato

Nevada pre op

[Guest guest]

Pat,

So sorry you have to deal with a super d*ck for a doc! I'm not in any position

to help you, tho. I was a self-pay because I didn't want to wait for a year or

two to fight an insurance idiot,like you're gonna have to do..

Best wishes, my friend. You're in my prayers.

Trudy

The battle cry is out

Well my insurance doctor who does the approvals is a " D--K " (sounds

like stick). He does not believe in gastric surgery for obesity and

is now making me jump thru hoops. I went thru this two years ago

trying to get approved for surgery, I got so disgusted and fed up and

I gave up. Not this time, he will have a battle on his hands.

Now I have to get a MORE thorough nutritional assesment and he wants

the doctor to tell him what kind of EATING DISORDER I have. Why is it

then when you are obese some idiots think you have an eating

disorder. I know this is a trick question and if I answer wrong, he

will say that the so called eating disorder will not be helped by

surgery. I need help Doc.........

Please tell me what to tell these people. Any one have any ideas.

Pat Iurato

Nevada pre op

[Guest guest]

Sonya,

And the new pcp will support you?

I was one of those lucky ones that had a pcp who seeemed excited about the

prospect of me having WLS, and also amazed at the procedure (Mgb) that Dr.

Rutledge uses..

He cares about my health, and he knows all the years I have battled obesity in

some way or the other, and how I have lost the battle every time.

He knows my determination, and he knows my health.

It's such a shame when you have to do what you did just because you're doctor

don't want to take the time to investigate what you're asking for..

I feel you did the right thing.

Good luck with the new PCP, and with your battle for the MGB.

Trudy,Indiana

Post-op 11-3-00

339/309

Re: The battle cry is out

Pat,

Yesterday was the worst day for me, and I know there will be more. I just

started my journey to the dance. I saw my PCP yesterday and like you he did

not support this, NOR would he even listen to me. He said he would do the

letter for me but not support it.

I fired him and I hired another PCP today. I have to have support from both

my local physician and my family for this to be a success for me.

Let me know if EVERYBODY out there agrees!

Pre-Op

Sonya

[Guest guest]

Sonya,

And the new pcp will support you?

I was one of those lucky ones that had a pcp who seeemed excited about the

prospect of me having WLS, and also amazed at the procedure (Mgb) that Dr.

Rutledge uses..

He cares about my health, and he knows all the years I have battled obesity in

some way or the other, and how I have lost the battle every time.

He knows my determination, and he knows my health.

It's such a shame when you have to do what you did just because you're doctor

don't want to take the time to investigate what you're asking for..

I feel you did the right thing.

Good luck with the new PCP, and with your battle for the MGB.

Trudy,Indiana

Post-op 11-3-00

339/309

Re: The battle cry is out

Pat,

Yesterday was the worst day for me, and I know there will be more. I just

started my journey to the dance. I saw my PCP yesterday and like you he did

not support this, NOR would he even listen to me. He said he would do the

letter for me but not support it.

I fired him and I hired another PCP today. I have to have support from both

my local physician and my family for this to be a success for me.

Let me know if EVERYBODY out there agrees!

Pre-Op

Sonya

[Guest guest]

LOL @ Jude,

I have a BB gun, will that help?

Trudy

Re: The battle cry is out

Is Dynamite out of the question? How about Arsenic? OK OK . Just trying to

resolve this problem!!! PhillyJude

[Guest guest]

LOL @ Jude,

I have a BB gun, will that help?

Trudy

Re: The battle cry is out

Is Dynamite out of the question? How about Arsenic? OK OK . Just trying to

resolve this problem!!! PhillyJude

[Guest guest]

Shucks! So much for vengeance

Love,

Sperb

>>> iseeu25232@... 12/06/00 08:22PM >>>

LOL Sperb I wish I could but he is the one who does the approvals for the

insurance doctor, hes not my doctor I wouldnt have him.

Pat Iurato

[Guest guest]

Shucks! So much for vengeance

Love,

Sperb

>>> iseeu25232@... 12/06/00 08:22PM >>>

LOL Sperb I wish I could but he is the one who does the approvals for the

insurance doctor, hes not my doctor I wouldnt have him.

Pat Iurato

[Guest guest]

Good work, Sonya.

Love,

Sperb

>>> sdaniel592@... 12/06/00 08:31PM >>>

Pat,

Yesterday was the worst day for me, and I know there will be more. I just

started my journey to the dance. I saw my PCP yesterday and like you he did

not support this, NOR would he even listen to me. He said he would do the

letter for me but not support it.

I fired him and I hired another PCP today. I have to have support from both

my local physician and my family for this to be a success for me.

Let me know if EVERYBODY out there agrees!

Pre-Op

Sonya

[Guest guest]

Good work, Sonya.

Love,

Sperb

>>> sdaniel592@... 12/06/00 08:31PM >>>

Pat,

Yesterday was the worst day for me, and I know there will be more. I just

started my journey to the dance. I saw my PCP yesterday and like you he did

not support this, NOR would he even listen to me. He said he would do the

letter for me but not support it.

I fired him and I hired another PCP today. I have to have support from both

my local physician and my family for this to be a success for me.

Let me know if EVERYBODY out there agrees!

Pre-Op

Sonya

[Guest guest]

It is 3:30 and I am still here. I am going home and put a ham on for supper. I

will

meet you atthe Surprise store at 4:30 Love deb

Sperber wrote:

> Good work, Sonya.

>

> Love,

> Sperb

>

> >>> sdaniel592@... 12/06/00 08:31PM >>>

> Pat,

> Yesterday was the worst day for me, and I know there will be more. I just

> started my journey to the dance. I saw my PCP yesterday and like you he did

> not support this, NOR would he even listen to me. He said he would do the

> letter for me but not support it.

> I fired him and I hired another PCP today. I have to have support from both

> my local physician and my family for this to be a success for me.

> Let me know if EVERYBODY out there agrees!

> Pre-Op

> Sonya

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is 3:30 and I am still here. I am going home and put a ham on for supper. I

will

meet you atthe Surprise store at 4:30 Love deb

Sperber wrote:

> Good work, Sonya.

>

> Love,

> Sperb

>

> >>> sdaniel592@... 12/06/00 08:31PM >>>

> Pat,

> Yesterday was the worst day for me, and I know there will be more. I just

> started my journey to the dance. I saw my PCP yesterday and like you he did

> not support this, NOR would he even listen to me. He said he would do the

> letter for me but not support it.

> I fired him and I hired another PCP today. I have to have support from both

> my local physician and my family for this to be a success for me.

> Let me know if EVERYBODY out there agrees!

> Pre-Op

> Sonya

>

>

[Guest guest]

Trudy,

Thanks for the kind words about my ordeal with my PCP....but he's history and

although I cried all the way home. It only made me even more determined to

find a PCP that would help me. And I did, she assured me she will help and

this shouldn't be a problem for me. Well, we will see about that...I think

there will be lots of hill and valleys till I get to the dance.

But what a wonderful bunch of people here ..... giving support and

encouragement. Thank you each and every one. Stay tuned...I've only just

begun!

Sonya

[Guest guest]

Trudy,

Thanks for the kind words about my ordeal with my PCP....but he's history and

although I cried all the way home. It only made me even more determined to

find a PCP that would help me. And I did, she assured me she will help and

this shouldn't be a problem for me. Well, we will see about that...I think

there will be lots of hill and valleys till I get to the dance.

But what a wonderful bunch of people here ..... giving support and

encouragement. Thank you each and every one. Stay tuned...I've only just

begun!

Sonya

[Guest guest]

Sonya,

You go girl, start a revolution!! Callus and biased PCPs are not good

for patients. If they have a problem with obesity, they need to go into

some business where they do not have to deal with it. People, If your

PCP has a problem with overweight people, then you are not receiving

quality care. How could they care for you with the same compassion and

skill as they do average sized people if they are biased? I had a

OB/GYN Dr. who the general consensus was that he did not like women at

all. He was cold and sarcastic. Why do these people get into these

fields? Dr.s need to think of the patient's health and be willing to

explore all avenues with the patient to come to the right decision for

that patient. Rejection of a procedure out of hand is unprofessional and

narrow minded. At least they need to read the materials and research it.

I guess I should be quiet now!! But you have my vote girl!!

On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:50:02 EST ncbrnsugah@... writes:

> Sonya,

>

> I agree with ya. Your physician should support you regardless of

> his views

> on WLS. So.... if that physician doesnt fit... try on another one.

> (just

> like trying on shoes) I am glad that you found one that will

> support you.

> Good luck on your journey!!

>

> Gwen in Durham

>

> In a message dated 12/6/2000 11:37:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> sdaniel592@... writes:

>

> << Pat,

> Yesterday was the worst day for me, and I know there will be more.

> I just

> started my journey to the dance. I saw my PCP yesterday and like

> you he did

> not support this, NOR would he even listen to me. He said he would

> do the

> letter for me but not support it.

> I fired him and I hired another PCP today. I have to have support

> from both

> my local physician and my family for this to be a success for me.

> Let me know if EVERYBODY out there agrees!

> Pre-Op

> Sonya >>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sonya,

You go girl, start a revolution!! Callus and biased PCPs are not good

for patients. If they have a problem with obesity, they need to go into

some business where they do not have to deal with it. People, If your

PCP has a problem with overweight people, then you are not receiving

quality care. How could they care for you with the same compassion and

skill as they do average sized people if they are biased? I had a

OB/GYN Dr. who the general consensus was that he did not like women at

all. He was cold and sarcastic. Why do these people get into these

fields? Dr.s need to think of the patient's health and be willing to

explore all avenues with the patient to come to the right decision for

that patient. Rejection of a procedure out of hand is unprofessional and

narrow minded. At least they need to read the materials and research it.

I guess I should be quiet now!! But you have my vote girl!!

On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:50:02 EST ncbrnsugah@... writes:

> Sonya,

>

> I agree with ya. Your physician should support you regardless of

> his views

> on WLS. So.... if that physician doesnt fit... try on another one.

> (just

> like trying on shoes) I am glad that you found one that will

> support you.

> Good luck on your journey!!

>

> Gwen in Durham

>

> In a message dated 12/6/2000 11:37:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> sdaniel592@... writes:

>

> << Pat,

> Yesterday was the worst day for me, and I know there will be more.

> I just

> started my journey to the dance. I saw my PCP yesterday and like

> you he did

> not support this, NOR would he even listen to me. He said he would

> do the

> letter for me but not support it.

> I fired him and I hired another PCP today. I have to have support

> from both

> my local physician and my family for this to be a success for me.

> Let me know if EVERYBODY out there agrees!

> Pre-Op

> Sonya >>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just want to say thanks to , , Larice and all the others who

offered there advise and support. I am gathering more info for that jerky

insurance doctor (and I am being kind with those words) I will keep you all

informed.

Thanks again

Love

Pat Iurato