circumcision

[Guest guest]

I had to sign separate consents for everything that they did to Liam in April.

in Illinois

sahm to 13, Chase 10 & cd'd, co-sleeping nursling, Liam 4/3/03

You have to sign a blanket consent form giving them the right

to " treat " when you enter the hospital. That gives the hospital the

right to do pretty much anything that the treating physician

deems " medically necessary " which boils down to the hospital's

standard procedure

[Guest guest]

> You have to sign a blanket consent form giving them the right

> to " treat " when you enter the hospital. That gives the hospital the

> right to do pretty much anything that the treating physician

> deems " medically necessary " which boils down to the hospital's

> standard procedure.

On the rare occasion that we see MDs I always change the general

consent form you have to sign whether being treated as an inpatient

or oupatient to include the following words:

" any and all medical procedures to be performed with my expressed

(written) consent only " .

This way the general consent form cannot be interpreted as a blanket

consent for my children or myself to have any given procedure

performed without prior consent.

Lilian

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I am in the US and have 3 boys. You have to sign a consent for circumcision, it

is a surgery and consent must be signed for anything like that! I could not

imagine them doing it without asking, that would set them up for law suits out

of the ying yang!

Bambi

Re: circumcision

My sister had her second son in Germany and he was not circumcised. He has

never had a bit of trouble with infection or overtightness, so I realized

before I ever had kids myself that it wasn't really necessary. I remember

when I had my first baby When I arrived at the hospital they asked if I

would want circumcision if I had a boy, we didn't know it was a girl. When I

had my son nobody even asked and it was done while I was asleep. I have

heard that here in the US to prevent circumcision you must write NO

CIRCUMCISION on your hospital papers before your baby is born and if your

boy ever has to have surgery because doctors have been known to do it when a

boy is out having surgery for something else later on.

My husband is circumcised and I showed the NORM site, but he is not really

interested in trying a safe painless at home foreskin restoration. It

doesn't really look like he has any foreskin to grow and restore, but I

guess there really doesn't have to be much? When my son becomes an adult I

will show him a site like NORM and give him whatever information and support

I can if he would be intersted in foreskin restoration.

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[Guest guest]

Around here you have to Ask to have your baby boy circ'd, and most

insurances don't cover it. It certainly is not an automatic thing that's

done.

Jan G.

El Paso, TX

[Guest guest]

Where are you ? I live in Bristol, Tn. Both my sons are intact,

although one was born in Ca, and the other in Michigan.

> I live in Southwestern Virginia, in the U.S., and I think I have

one of the very few intact male babies in the area. The only other

boys that I have heard of who are not circ are doctors sons. I had

to fight long and hard to save my son's foreskin from being mutilated

off of his perfect body. I belong to various Mom's groups, etc. and

my son is the only one I have ever seen not circed. I am all alone

it seems in this area of the world supporting intact male babies. I

don't know why they all have it done, but without a doubt all of them

get it done. Right or wrong. When I delivered my son the ped came

in to examine him and supported my opinion. He said that his boys

were intact. Yet all of these parents around here still get it

done. I think that it is because of fear of talk in their teenage

boys locker rooms. So many years away from when they are born. When

my son gets older if he chooses to have a part of his body mutilated

he can do that, but I do not have a right just because I am his Mom.

It is not my body. My husband and I still have arguments over this

and shots to this day, but at my son has his own original body.

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[Guest guest]

I wish insurances would stop covering it, especially since the AAP

announced it is not necessary. They won't cover other unnecessary

procedures, why are they still covering this?

> Around here you have to Ask to have your baby boy circ'd, and most

> insurances don't cover it. It certainly is not an automatic thing

that's

> done.

>

> Jan G.

> El Paso, TX

[Guest guest]

My son is intact. From what I understand, circum. was a sign between

God and the Jews. After Jesus, circum. was no longer required.

I think docs. like the money they make off of it. My husband isn't

circum either.

Lynda

[Guest guest]

www.nocirc.org

I can't believe it either.

in AZ

mom of 2 beautiful intact boys

> http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/

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> Extremely graphic. I CAN NOT believe this is still being

> done.

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[Guest guest]

Not to start a flame war, but I thought this list was about vaccines not about

circumcisions.

~`~Holly~`~

iel (5/96) & Jenavieve (5/02)

" It is not how fast we learn that counts. It is learning that counts. "

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know how long it routinely takes to circ a child?

Circumcision

http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/

Extremely graphic. I CAN NOT believe this is still being

done.

[Guest guest]

>>Does anyone know how long it routinely takes to circ a child?>>

About 5 minutes. It doesn't take long.

Donna

Homeschooling mom to 3

Hunter (6), (5), and Abigail (born still 6/12/04, waiting on us to return

HOME)

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truth. " n G. Romney

[Guest guest]

Holly, This is not about vaccines but I guess in a way it tends to be accepted

because it is a unecessary prodedure that has health consequences. Not to

mention the other aspects of the procedure.

I really dont like to dwell on the subject myself and kinda hate to see it

brought up in large amounts. It makes me feel guilty for allowing that to be

done to my son. I thought it was for his benefit as he grew into a man.

I wont go into the details of the lies bought into because this really is not

the place to go into this full force. Besides it makes me a little sad to dwell

on the subject.

I know of other lists that health issues are acceptable to talk about even if

they are not related to vaccines. I dont mind this subject be touched upon

myself as long as it does not overtake the group.

This subject usually doesnt last long from what I have seen but you never know

about these things.

Holly, Just be a little patient and this will probably not even be discussed for

awhile. I hope.

April

Circumcision

Not to start a flame war, but I thought this list was about vaccines not about

circumcisions.

~`~Holly~`~

iel (5/96) & Jenavieve (5/02)

" It is not how fast we learn that counts. It is learning that counts. "

[Guest guest]

I agree Holly. It's an incredibly personal issue and not one for open

discussion, imnsho. I got into trouble a few months ago on my own list for

permitting someone to get this thread going. Like abortion, it's a topic

best left alone.

Sue

> Re: Circumcision

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>

> Not to start a flame war, but I thought this list was about

> vaccines not about circumcisions.

> ~`~Holly~`~

> iel (5/96) & Jenavieve (5/02)

> " It is not how fast we learn that counts. It is learning that counts. "

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[Guest guest]

UGH! That looks so abusive! I am so glad that I knew better than to amputate

my boys' foreskins!

So, I always wonder, why is it ok to circumcise a male, but not a female????

Sara

Circumcision

http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/

Extremely graphic. I CAN NOT believe this is still being

done.

[Guest guest]

Generally 10-15 minutes.

Kay

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Does anyone know how long it routinely takes to circ a child?

[Guest guest]

Some cultures do circ the females, however from what I read years ago, they take

everything and then stitch her up so small that she even has problems

menstruating. And this is done with a sharp rock and no doctors or pain

medication around the age of 10-13 or so. The don't believe that the female has

any need to feel pleasure during intercourse.

-

Angelina due: 10/26/04

Circumcision

http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/

Extremely graphic. I CAN NOT believe this is still being

done.

[Guest guest]

That almost made me throw up....how incredibly cruel!!!

> http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/

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> Extremely graphic. I CAN NOT believe this is still being

> done.

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I know this is off topic but I am struggling to find anyone amongst my friends

to help. As this and and other of my groups is so big, i thought the likelyhood

of someone being able to share an experience was higher.

My son may need a circumcision for medical reasons. I am getting a second

opinion from a doctor but as he is 8 I am want to know more about what happens

after the operation. People keeps saying " oh it will be fine! " but most of their

experiences are with little babies. I'm not so worried about the operation but

about the de-sensitising after. I want to know how long it takes.

I'd also appreciate any help in how to make my son less concerned. It's not easy

when they are good communicators - even harder when they have apraxia and are

deaf. When i did broach the subject he thought i was joking and then looked

shocked! I only know of fathers with circumcisions. i wish I knew a boy so he

could show him! He's also quite shy about such matters.

I don't want any comments on circumcision - this is not a decision i will be

making lightly and i don't need any more guilt thank-you.

Hope you can help and sorry it's off topic, hope you don't mind.

UK Mummy to 8 and Rory 6 - both deaf with Cochlear implants.

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[Guest guest]

I'm afraid I don't have any advice about any of it since we have a

girl and although we had decided not to circumsize a boy, I've never

even seen a man uncircumsized. I'm on another group called

" slightly Crunchy AP " that has a lot of people who don't circumcize.

Although they probably couldn't help much with the communication

aspect, they would probably have some info for you on the medical

aspect. There are some die hard well researched anti-circ people

there!! Good luck, I hope he doesn't need it after all!

Crystal

>

> Hi,

>

> I know this is off topic but I am struggling to find anyone amongst

my friends to help. As this and and other of my groups is so big, i

thought the likelyhood of someone being able to share an experience

was higher.

>

> My son may need a circumcision for medical reasons. I am getting a

second opinion from a doctor but as he is 8 I am want to know more

about what happens after the operation. People keeps saying " oh it

will be fine! " but most of their experiences are with little babies.

I'm not so worried about the operation but about the de-sensitising

after. I want to know how long it takes.

>

> I'd also appreciate any help in how to make my son less concerned.

It's not easy when they are good communicators - even harder when they

have apraxia and are deaf. When i did broach the subject he thought i

was joking and then looked shocked! I only know of fathers with

circumcisions. i wish I knew a boy so he could show him! He's also

quite shy about such matters.

>

> I don't want any comments on circumcision - this is not a decision i

will be making lightly and i don't need any more guilt thank-you.

>

> Hope you can help and sorry it's off topic, hope you don't mind.

>

>

>

> UK Mummy to 8 and Rory 6 - both deaf with Cochlear implants.

>

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[Guest guest]

I did not circumsize my son, because it is completely unnecessary.

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I am planning on having my son circumcised what are the thoughts of the

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www.cirp.org( Circumcision Information and Resources Pages)

You asked for opinion in the community, so here's mine! My heart

sinks when I hear of parents considering this. It's COMPLETELY

unnecessary and painful, cruel, barbaric.. In the US is remains to

be quite common, but in some other countries, it's almost unheard

of. My son is intact with not a problem whatsoever. Why REMOVE a

part of your son's body, " Just in case " ...Just in case what?? An

infection occurs? If this happens, treat the infection, don't remove

a very important part of his body because of it. This would be like

removing a baby's fingernails b/c of the threat of a nail infection;

do you see where I'm going with this? )

Love,

Connie

>

> I agree with Maracuja - all you have to do is witness one and there

is no way you would have

> that done to your son!

>

> There are a TON of website online about it - www.nocirc.org for

one. There are so many old

> wives tales and misinformation floating around. There really is NO

reason to have it done.

>

> You're doing the right thing by seeking opinions and researching -

it is a very touchy subject

> for a lot of families, but my thinking was that I didn't mutilate

my daughter's genitals when

> she was born, so why on earth would I do it to my son?

>

> please, please, please reconsider.

>