Re: (unknown)

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In a message dated 2/15/2003 12:19:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lee_27932@... writes:

> very seldom hear about the possible complication that can happen and

> i

> personnally think everyone should hear about these stories including

> my own,

This is a true tragedy to my way of thinking. I don't know what people are,

or are not doing, that they are going blindly into ANY surgical procedure

without researching and understanding the risks, both legitimate and

malpractice. When I had my surgery in 2000, there was tons of information on

possible complications and some unfortunate outcomes. I didn't go digging,

it was easily available. I think we all expect a certain level of competency

from our surgeons, but does anybody in this day and age believe that

malpractice cannot happen, whether it's intentional or negligent?

Gads - they are slicing our bodies in 20 different ways and fouling up much

of what nature intended. The list of things that *could* go wrong is

staggering, and no one should make an uninformed decision. Now, is it up to

your surgeon to educate you? Nope, I don't think it is - it's our bodies,

our responsibilities.

Kate

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/15/2003 12:19:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lee_27932@... writes:

> very seldom hear about the possible complication that can happen and

> i

> personnally think everyone should hear about these stories including

> my own,

This is a true tragedy to my way of thinking. I don't know what people are,

or are not doing, that they are going blindly into ANY surgical procedure

without researching and understanding the risks, both legitimate and

malpractice. When I had my surgery in 2000, there was tons of information on

possible complications and some unfortunate outcomes. I didn't go digging,

it was easily available. I think we all expect a certain level of competency

from our surgeons, but does anybody in this day and age believe that

malpractice cannot happen, whether it's intentional or negligent?

Gads - they are slicing our bodies in 20 different ways and fouling up much

of what nature intended. The list of things that *could* go wrong is

staggering, and no one should make an uninformed decision. Now, is it up to

your surgeon to educate you? Nope, I don't think it is - it's our bodies,

our responsibilities.

Kate

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/15/2003 10:31:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kateseidel@... writes:

> very seldom hear about the possible complication that can happen and

>

> >i

> >personnally think everyone should hear about these stories including

>

> >my own,

I said this on the AMOS board, even though I had a very easy surgery, and got

some nasty e-mails. I decided it was that I don't write well. Do you post

to obesityhelp.com. They need to know.

Fay Bayuk

300/175

10/23/01

Dr

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/15/2003 10:31:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kateseidel@... writes:

> very seldom hear about the possible complication that can happen and

>

> >i

> >personnally think everyone should hear about these stories including

>

> >my own,

I said this on the AMOS board, even though I had a very easy surgery, and got

some nasty e-mails. I decided it was that I don't write well. Do you post

to obesityhelp.com. They need to know.

Fay Bayuk

300/175

10/23/01

Dr

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/2003 3:22:57 AM Central Standard Time, fbayuk@...

writes:

> I said this on the AMOS board, even though I had a very easy surgery, and

> got

> some nasty e-mails.

---------------------------------------

Fay,

You're not the only one I've seen this happen to. Some people just don't want

to hear both sides of the story, and they somehow think that objective

presentation of fact is attacking a procedure that they view as having saved

their lives. I get the same flak whenever I say ANYthing that could even be

remotely construed as negative in the hospital support group meetings. You

know the old saying " you can lead a horse to water.............. " I just

figure I will say what I know, and those who can't bear to hear objective

fact are on their own to find out the hard way. I long ago stopped feeling

like it's up to me to save the (post-op WLS) world.

Carol A

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/2003 3:22:57 AM Central Standard Time, fbayuk@...

writes:

> I said this on the AMOS board, even though I had a very easy surgery, and

> got

> some nasty e-mails.

---------------------------------------

Fay,

You're not the only one I've seen this happen to. Some people just don't want

to hear both sides of the story, and they somehow think that objective

presentation of fact is attacking a procedure that they view as having saved

their lives. I get the same flak whenever I say ANYthing that could even be

remotely construed as negative in the hospital support group meetings. You

know the old saying " you can lead a horse to water.............. " I just

figure I will say what I know, and those who can't bear to hear objective

fact are on their own to find out the hard way. I long ago stopped feeling

like it's up to me to save the (post-op WLS) world.

Carol A

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/2003 1:23:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, fbayuk@...

writes:

> I said this on the AMOS board, even though I had a very easy surgery, and

> got

> some nasty e-mails. I decided it was that I don't write well. Do you post

>

> to obesityhelp.com. They need to know.

>

>

I used to do it regularly, and send out copies of my own collection of horror

stories to anyone who was interested. The sad truth? Most people don't want

to know, the same way they don't want to hear that they may have to modify

their eating habits for the rest of their life.

Lately I don't go to AMOS much - like many post-ops, I can't bear to see

people asking the same things over and over wanting someone else to just tell

them what to do, rather than do a little bit of research to find it

themselves.

Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week ago???

Kate

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/2003 1:23:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, fbayuk@...

writes:

> I said this on the AMOS board, even though I had a very easy surgery, and

> got

> some nasty e-mails. I decided it was that I don't write well. Do you post

>

> to obesityhelp.com. They need to know.

>

>

I used to do it regularly, and send out copies of my own collection of horror

stories to anyone who was interested. The sad truth? Most people don't want

to know, the same way they don't want to hear that they may have to modify

their eating habits for the rest of their life.

Lately I don't go to AMOS much - like many post-ops, I can't bear to see

people asking the same things over and over wanting someone else to just tell

them what to do, rather than do a little bit of research to find it

themselves.

Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week ago???

Kate

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/2003 12:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kateseidel@... writes:

> Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week ago???

>

> Kate

>

Why?????

Fay Bayuk -

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/2003 12:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kateseidel@... writes:

> Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week ago???

>

> Kate

>

Why?????

Fay Bayuk -

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/2003 12:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kateseidel@... writes:

> Lately I don't go to AMOS much - like many post-ops, I can't bear to see

> people asking the same things over and over wanting someone else to just

> tell

> them what to do, rather than do a little bit of research to find it

> themselves.

>

I still go and hope I will for some time to come. I remember my first post.

I asked someone to tell me about rny surgery. I received no answer but after

a time, I realized that I had to research for myself. I was always grateful

to the grads that would post from time to time. I do skim through the posts

until I see something that may benefit from my experience or someone so down,

that I feel that I want to reassure them. I sometimes even get a post

telling me how they appreciate my input. But, basically I must remember my

past in order to not repeat it in my future.

Love to all.

Fay Bayuk

300/175

10/23/01

Dr

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/2003 12:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kateseidel@... writes:

> Lately I don't go to AMOS much - like many post-ops, I can't bear to see

> people asking the same things over and over wanting someone else to just

> tell

> them what to do, rather than do a little bit of research to find it

> themselves.

>

I still go and hope I will for some time to come. I remember my first post.

I asked someone to tell me about rny surgery. I received no answer but after

a time, I realized that I had to research for myself. I was always grateful

to the grads that would post from time to time. I do skim through the posts

until I see something that may benefit from my experience or someone so down,

that I feel that I want to reassure them. I sometimes even get a post

telling me how they appreciate my input. But, basically I must remember my

past in order to not repeat it in my future.

Love to all.

Fay Bayuk

300/175

10/23/01

Dr

[Guest guest]

I just have *issues* with taking anti-depressants as a long-term part of my

life. I have a recurring belief that medication of this sort is not

something I want to commit to for my lifetime. I prefer to use it as a

situational aid, and my situation seems to have stablilized.

Kate

In a message dated 2/16/2003 9:48:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, fbayuk@...

writes:

> >Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week ago???

> >

> >Kate

> >

>

> Why?????

>

>

> Fay Bayuk -

>

[Guest guest]

I just have *issues* with taking anti-depressants as a long-term part of my

life. I have a recurring belief that medication of this sort is not

something I want to commit to for my lifetime. I prefer to use it as a

situational aid, and my situation seems to have stablilized.

Kate

In a message dated 2/16/2003 9:48:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, fbayuk@...

writes:

> >Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week ago???

> >

> >Kate

> >

>

> Why?????

>

>

> Fay Bayuk -

>

[Guest guest]

And as you see, when they start to mature a bit, I herd them over here. If

we can help just ONE not do the stupids we have done, then I hope they think

it's worth it to sit thru all the chatter and stuff that is not of interest.

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

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If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

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Re: (unknown)

> In a message dated 2/16/2003 12:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> kateseidel@... writes:

>

> > Lately I don't go to AMOS much - like many post-ops, I can't bear to see

> > people asking the same things over and over wanting someone else to just

> > tell

> > them what to do, rather than do a little bit of research to find it

> > themselves.

> >

>

> I still go and hope I will for some time to come. I remember my first

post.

> I asked someone to tell me about rny surgery. I received no answer but

after

> a time, I realized that I had to research for myself. I was always

grateful

> to the grads that would post from time to time. I do skim through the

posts

> until I see something that may benefit from my experience or someone so

down,

> that I feel that I want to reassure them. I sometimes even get a post

> telling me how they appreciate my input. But, basically I must remember

my

> past in order to not repeat it in my future.

>

> Love to all.

>

>

> Fay Bayuk

> 300/175

> 10/23/01

> Dr

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And as you see, when they start to mature a bit, I herd them over here. If

we can help just ONE not do the stupids we have done, then I hope they think

it's worth it to sit thru all the chatter and stuff that is not of interest.

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com

Re: (unknown)

> In a message dated 2/16/2003 12:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> kateseidel@... writes:

>

> > Lately I don't go to AMOS much - like many post-ops, I can't bear to see

> > people asking the same things over and over wanting someone else to just

> > tell

> > them what to do, rather than do a little bit of research to find it

> > themselves.

> >

>

> I still go and hope I will for some time to come. I remember my first

post.

> I asked someone to tell me about rny surgery. I received no answer but

after

> a time, I realized that I had to research for myself. I was always

grateful

> to the grads that would post from time to time. I do skim through the

posts

> until I see something that may benefit from my experience or someone so

down,

> that I feel that I want to reassure them. I sometimes even get a post

> telling me how they appreciate my input. But, basically I must remember

my

> past in order to not repeat it in my future.

>

> Love to all.

>

>

> Fay Bayuk

> 300/175

> 10/23/01

> Dr

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<I hope they think

it's worth it to sit thru all the chatter and stuff that is not of

interest.>>

Not of interest THERE (I've never been THERE), or not of interest HERE?

EVERYTHING is of interest, at least to someone (usually ME) HERE.

Jac

mailto:jholdaway@...

http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/

http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints

[Guest guest]

<I hope they think

it's worth it to sit thru all the chatter and stuff that is not of

interest.>>

Not of interest THERE (I've never been THERE), or not of interest HERE?

EVERYTHING is of interest, at least to someone (usually ME) HERE.

Jac

mailto:jholdaway@...

http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/

http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/2003 11:53:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kateseidel@... writes:

> I have a recurring belief that medication of this sort is not

> something I want to commit to for my lifetime.

I look at antidepressants at life saving. I have a long time major

depressive disorder. I see taking antidepressants as similar to taking

vitamin supplements.

Fay Bayuk

300/175

10/23/01

Dr

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/2003 11:53:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kateseidel@... writes:

> I have a recurring belief that medication of this sort is not

> something I want to commit to for my lifetime.

I look at antidepressants at life saving. I have a long time major

depressive disorder. I see taking antidepressants as similar to taking

vitamin supplements.

Fay Bayuk

300/175

10/23/01

Dr

[Guest guest]

,

The CF road is bumpy, but you will find that CFers think often that is pretty

smooth. The power of a good CF brain~!!!

I have been diabetic for 14 years.... I think that is how long. Mine was

brought on by steriods. CF diabetes is really so different than the typical

diabetes. There are many new products out there to help control it. The

insulin pump I think is great for active, young CFers. I have been doing

insulin shots for about 6 or 7 years now and it is very well controlled. I do

count my carbohydrates so I can dose myself correctly ( I do not have the

pump).

As to whether it is temporary, I guess time will tell. Many times during

prednisone doses it does show up, but then goes away.

good luck and take care

Joanne

[Guest guest]

Kate, I'm certainly not going to tell you if you should or should not take

antidepressants, or whether you have valid issues with them or not. I will

tell you that stopping and starting without a doctor's supervision can be

dangerous. Most (I can's say ALL, I haven't taken ALL of them) have a

cumulative effect in your system, and abruptly stopping them can have

serious effects. I only hope you're not " self-medicating, " and you're

getting your physician's input in making your decision. Good luck, and good

mental health!

Jac

mailto:jholdaway@...

http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/

http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints

[Guest guest]

Kate, I'm certainly not going to tell you if you should or should not take

antidepressants, or whether you have valid issues with them or not. I will

tell you that stopping and starting without a doctor's supervision can be

dangerous. Most (I can's say ALL, I haven't taken ALL of them) have a

cumulative effect in your system, and abruptly stopping them can have

serious effects. I only hope you're not " self-medicating, " and you're

getting your physician's input in making your decision. Good luck, and good

mental health!

Jac

mailto:jholdaway@...

http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/

http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints

[Guest guest]

Kate,

I understand this preference. God only knows I have pushed this

theory to the limit. However, would you tell a diabetic not to take

insulin? I know if I am honest with myself, antidepressants are just as

necessary to me as insulin is to a diabetic.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:51:47 EST kateseidel@... writes:

> I just have *issues* with taking anti-depressants as a long-term part

> of my

> life. I have a recurring belief that medication of this sort is not

>

> something I want to commit to for my lifetime. I prefer to use it

> as a

> situational aid, and my situation seems to have stablilized.

>

> Kate

>

> In a message dated 2/16/2003 9:48:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> fbayuk@...

> writes:

>

> > >Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week

> ago???

> > >

> > >Kate

> > >

> >

> > Why?????

> >

> >

> > Fay Bayuk -

[Guest guest]

Kate,

I understand this preference. God only knows I have pushed this

theory to the limit. However, would you tell a diabetic not to take

insulin? I know if I am honest with myself, antidepressants are just as

necessary to me as insulin is to a diabetic.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs.

SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs.

Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:51:47 EST kateseidel@... writes:

> I just have *issues* with taking anti-depressants as a long-term part

> of my

> life. I have a recurring belief that medication of this sort is not

>

> something I want to commit to for my lifetime. I prefer to use it

> as a

> situational aid, and my situation seems to have stablilized.

>

> Kate

>

> In a message dated 2/16/2003 9:48:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> fbayuk@...

> writes:

>

> > >Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week

> ago???

> > >

> > >Kate

> > >

> >

> > Why?????

> >

> >

> > Fay Bayuk -