Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 In a message dated 2/15/2003 12:19:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, lee_27932@... writes: > very seldom hear about the possible complication that can happen and > i > personnally think everyone should hear about these stories including > my own, This is a true tragedy to my way of thinking. I don't know what people are, or are not doing, that they are going blindly into ANY surgical procedure without researching and understanding the risks, both legitimate and malpractice. When I had my surgery in 2000, there was tons of information on possible complications and some unfortunate outcomes. I didn't go digging, it was easily available. I think we all expect a certain level of competency from our surgeons, but does anybody in this day and age believe that malpractice cannot happen, whether it's intentional or negligent? Gads - they are slicing our bodies in 20 different ways and fouling up much of what nature intended. The list of things that *could* go wrong is staggering, and no one should make an uninformed decision. Now, is it up to your surgeon to educate you? Nope, I don't think it is - it's our bodies, our responsibilities. Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 In a message dated 2/15/2003 12:19:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, lee_27932@... writes: > very seldom hear about the possible complication that can happen and > i > personnally think everyone should hear about these stories including > my own, This is a true tragedy to my way of thinking. I don't know what people are, or are not doing, that they are going blindly into ANY surgical procedure without researching and understanding the risks, both legitimate and malpractice. When I had my surgery in 2000, there was tons of information on possible complications and some unfortunate outcomes. I didn't go digging, it was easily available. I think we all expect a certain level of competency from our surgeons, but does anybody in this day and age believe that malpractice cannot happen, whether it's intentional or negligent? Gads - they are slicing our bodies in 20 different ways and fouling up much of what nature intended. The list of things that *could* go wrong is staggering, and no one should make an uninformed decision. Now, is it up to your surgeon to educate you? Nope, I don't think it is - it's our bodies, our responsibilities. Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 In a message dated 2/15/2003 10:31:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, kateseidel@... writes: > very seldom hear about the possible complication that can happen and > > >i > >personnally think everyone should hear about these stories including > > >my own, I said this on the AMOS board, even though I had a very easy surgery, and got some nasty e-mails. I decided it was that I don't write well. Do you post to obesityhelp.com. They need to know. Fay Bayuk 300/175 10/23/01 Dr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 In a message dated 2/15/2003 10:31:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, kateseidel@... writes: > very seldom hear about the possible complication that can happen and > > >i > >personnally think everyone should hear about these stories including > > >my own, I said this on the AMOS board, even though I had a very easy surgery, and got some nasty e-mails. I decided it was that I don't write well. Do you post to obesityhelp.com. They need to know. Fay Bayuk 300/175 10/23/01 Dr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 In a message dated 2/16/2003 3:22:57 AM Central Standard Time, fbayuk@... writes: > I said this on the AMOS board, even though I had a very easy surgery, and > got > some nasty e-mails. --------------------------------------- Fay, You're not the only one I've seen this happen to. Some people just don't want to hear both sides of the story, and they somehow think that objective presentation of fact is attacking a procedure that they view as having saved their lives. I get the same flak whenever I say ANYthing that could even be remotely construed as negative in the hospital support group meetings. You know the old saying " you can lead a horse to water.............. " I just figure I will say what I know, and those who can't bear to hear objective fact are on their own to find out the hard way. I long ago stopped feeling like it's up to me to save the (post-op WLS) world. Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 In a message dated 2/16/2003 3:22:57 AM Central Standard Time, fbayuk@... writes: > I said this on the AMOS board, even though I had a very easy surgery, and > got > some nasty e-mails. --------------------------------------- Fay, You're not the only one I've seen this happen to. Some people just don't want to hear both sides of the story, and they somehow think that objective presentation of fact is attacking a procedure that they view as having saved their lives. I get the same flak whenever I say ANYthing that could even be remotely construed as negative in the hospital support group meetings. You know the old saying " you can lead a horse to water.............. " I just figure I will say what I know, and those who can't bear to hear objective fact are on their own to find out the hard way. I long ago stopped feeling like it's up to me to save the (post-op WLS) world. Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 In a message dated 2/16/2003 1:23:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, fbayuk@... writes: > I said this on the AMOS board, even though I had a very easy surgery, and > got > some nasty e-mails. I decided it was that I don't write well. Do you post > > to obesityhelp.com. They need to know. > > I used to do it regularly, and send out copies of my own collection of horror stories to anyone who was interested. The sad truth? Most people don't want to know, the same way they don't want to hear that they may have to modify their eating habits for the rest of their life. Lately I don't go to AMOS much - like many post-ops, I can't bear to see people asking the same things over and over wanting someone else to just tell them what to do, rather than do a little bit of research to find it themselves. Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week ago??? Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 In a message dated 2/16/2003 1:23:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, fbayuk@... writes: > I said this on the AMOS board, even though I had a very easy surgery, and > got > some nasty e-mails. I decided it was that I don't write well. Do you post > > to obesityhelp.com. They need to know. > > I used to do it regularly, and send out copies of my own collection of horror stories to anyone who was interested. The sad truth? Most people don't want to know, the same way they don't want to hear that they may have to modify their eating habits for the rest of their life. Lately I don't go to AMOS much - like many post-ops, I can't bear to see people asking the same things over and over wanting someone else to just tell them what to do, rather than do a little bit of research to find it themselves. Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week ago??? Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 In a message dated 2/16/2003 12:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, kateseidel@... writes: > Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week ago??? > > Kate > Why????? Fay Bayuk - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 In a message dated 2/16/2003 12:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, kateseidel@... writes: > Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week ago??? > > Kate > Why????? Fay Bayuk - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 In a message dated 2/16/2003 12:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, kateseidel@... writes: > Lately I don't go to AMOS much - like many post-ops, I can't bear to see > people asking the same things over and over wanting someone else to just > tell > them what to do, rather than do a little bit of research to find it > themselves. > I still go and hope I will for some time to come. I remember my first post. I asked someone to tell me about rny surgery. I received no answer but after a time, I realized that I had to research for myself. I was always grateful to the grads that would post from time to time. I do skim through the posts until I see something that may benefit from my experience or someone so down, that I feel that I want to reassure them. I sometimes even get a post telling me how they appreciate my input. But, basically I must remember my past in order to not repeat it in my future. Love to all. Fay Bayuk 300/175 10/23/01 Dr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 In a message dated 2/16/2003 12:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, kateseidel@... writes: > Lately I don't go to AMOS much - like many post-ops, I can't bear to see > people asking the same things over and over wanting someone else to just > tell > them what to do, rather than do a little bit of research to find it > themselves. > I still go and hope I will for some time to come. I remember my first post. I asked someone to tell me about rny surgery. I received no answer but after a time, I realized that I had to research for myself. I was always grateful to the grads that would post from time to time. I do skim through the posts until I see something that may benefit from my experience or someone so down, that I feel that I want to reassure them. I sometimes even get a post telling me how they appreciate my input. But, basically I must remember my past in order to not repeat it in my future. Love to all. Fay Bayuk 300/175 10/23/01 Dr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 I just have *issues* with taking anti-depressants as a long-term part of my life. I have a recurring belief that medication of this sort is not something I want to commit to for my lifetime. I prefer to use it as a situational aid, and my situation seems to have stablilized. Kate In a message dated 2/16/2003 9:48:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, fbayuk@... writes: > >Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week ago??? > > > >Kate > > > > Why????? > > > Fay Bayuk - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 I just have *issues* with taking anti-depressants as a long-term part of my life. I have a recurring belief that medication of this sort is not something I want to commit to for my lifetime. I prefer to use it as a situational aid, and my situation seems to have stablilized. Kate In a message dated 2/16/2003 9:48:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, fbayuk@... writes: > >Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week ago??? > > > >Kate > > > > Why????? > > > Fay Bayuk - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 And as you see, when they start to mature a bit, I herd them over here. If we can help just ONE not do the stupids we have done, then I hope they think it's worth it to sit thru all the chatter and stuff that is not of interest. Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com Re: (unknown) > In a message dated 2/16/2003 12:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, > kateseidel@... writes: > > > Lately I don't go to AMOS much - like many post-ops, I can't bear to see > > people asking the same things over and over wanting someone else to just > > tell > > them what to do, rather than do a little bit of research to find it > > themselves. > > > > I still go and hope I will for some time to come. I remember my first post. > I asked someone to tell me about rny surgery. I received no answer but after > a time, I realized that I had to research for myself. I was always grateful > to the grads that would post from time to time. I do skim through the posts > until I see something that may benefit from my experience or someone so down, > that I feel that I want to reassure them. I sometimes even get a post > telling me how they appreciate my input. But, basically I must remember my > past in order to not repeat it in my future. > > Love to all. > > > Fay Bayuk > 300/175 > 10/23/01 > Dr > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 And as you see, when they start to mature a bit, I herd them over here. If we can help just ONE not do the stupids we have done, then I hope they think it's worth it to sit thru all the chatter and stuff that is not of interest. Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://secure.paypal.com/affil/pal=vitalady%40bigfoot.com Re: (unknown) > In a message dated 2/16/2003 12:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, > kateseidel@... writes: > > > Lately I don't go to AMOS much - like many post-ops, I can't bear to see > > people asking the same things over and over wanting someone else to just > > tell > > them what to do, rather than do a little bit of research to find it > > themselves. > > > > I still go and hope I will for some time to come. I remember my first post. > I asked someone to tell me about rny surgery. I received no answer but after > a time, I realized that I had to research for myself. I was always grateful > to the grads that would post from time to time. I do skim through the posts > until I see something that may benefit from my experience or someone so down, > that I feel that I want to reassure them. I sometimes even get a post > telling me how they appreciate my input. But, basically I must remember my > past in order to not repeat it in my future. > > Love to all. > > > Fay Bayuk > 300/175 > 10/23/01 > Dr > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 <I hope they think it's worth it to sit thru all the chatter and stuff that is not of interest.>> Not of interest THERE (I've never been THERE), or not of interest HERE? EVERYTHING is of interest, at least to someone (usually ME) HERE. Jac mailto:jholdaway@... http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 <I hope they think it's worth it to sit thru all the chatter and stuff that is not of interest.>> Not of interest THERE (I've never been THERE), or not of interest HERE? EVERYTHING is of interest, at least to someone (usually ME) HERE. Jac mailto:jholdaway@... http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 In a message dated 2/16/2003 11:53:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, kateseidel@... writes: > I have a recurring belief that medication of this sort is not > something I want to commit to for my lifetime. I look at antidepressants at life saving. I have a long time major depressive disorder. I see taking antidepressants as similar to taking vitamin supplements. Fay Bayuk 300/175 10/23/01 Dr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 In a message dated 2/16/2003 11:53:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, kateseidel@... writes: > I have a recurring belief that medication of this sort is not > something I want to commit to for my lifetime. I look at antidepressants at life saving. I have a long time major depressive disorder. I see taking antidepressants as similar to taking vitamin supplements. Fay Bayuk 300/175 10/23/01 Dr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2003 Report Share Posted February 16, 2003 , The CF road is bumpy, but you will find that CFers think often that is pretty smooth. The power of a good CF brain~!!! I have been diabetic for 14 years.... I think that is how long. Mine was brought on by steriods. CF diabetes is really so different than the typical diabetes. There are many new products out there to help control it. The insulin pump I think is great for active, young CFers. I have been doing insulin shots for about 6 or 7 years now and it is very well controlled. I do count my carbohydrates so I can dose myself correctly ( I do not have the pump). As to whether it is temporary, I guess time will tell. Many times during prednisone doses it does show up, but then goes away. good luck and take care Joanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Kate, I'm certainly not going to tell you if you should or should not take antidepressants, or whether you have valid issues with them or not. I will tell you that stopping and starting without a doctor's supervision can be dangerous. Most (I can's say ALL, I haven't taken ALL of them) have a cumulative effect in your system, and abruptly stopping them can have serious effects. I only hope you're not " self-medicating, " and you're getting your physician's input in making your decision. Good luck, and good mental health! Jac mailto:jholdaway@... http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Kate, I'm certainly not going to tell you if you should or should not take antidepressants, or whether you have valid issues with them or not. I will tell you that stopping and starting without a doctor's supervision can be dangerous. Most (I can's say ALL, I haven't taken ALL of them) have a cumulative effect in your system, and abruptly stopping them can have serious effects. I only hope you're not " self-medicating, " and you're getting your physician's input in making your decision. Good luck, and good mental health! Jac mailto:jholdaway@... http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Kate, I understand this preference. God only knows I have pushed this theory to the limit. However, would you tell a diabetic not to take insulin? I know if I am honest with myself, antidepressants are just as necessary to me as insulin is to a diabetic. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:51:47 EST kateseidel@... writes: > I just have *issues* with taking anti-depressants as a long-term part > of my > life. I have a recurring belief that medication of this sort is not > > something I want to commit to for my lifetime. I prefer to use it > as a > situational aid, and my situation seems to have stablilized. > > Kate > > In a message dated 2/16/2003 9:48:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, > fbayuk@... > writes: > > > >Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week > ago??? > > > > > >Kate > > > > > > > Why????? > > > > > > Fay Bayuk - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Kate, I understand this preference. God only knows I have pushed this theory to the limit. However, would you tell a diabetic not to take insulin? I know if I am honest with myself, antidepressants are just as necessary to me as insulin is to a diabetic. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 339.5 lbs. and loosing again Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:51:47 EST kateseidel@... writes: > I just have *issues* with taking anti-depressants as a long-term part > of my > life. I have a recurring belief that medication of this sort is not > > something I want to commit to for my lifetime. I prefer to use it > as a > situational aid, and my situation seems to have stablilized. > > Kate > > In a message dated 2/16/2003 9:48:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, > fbayuk@... > writes: > > > >Uh oh - can you guys tell I stopped the anti-depressants a week > ago??? > > > > > >Kate > > > > > > > Why????? > > > > > > Fay Bayuk - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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