Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Vit C may interfere with the dental anesthesia so don't give it the morning of removal. S S <tt> Hi, I posted once before regarding the removal of amalgams but didnt <BR> get any replys. It was suggested I post again so here it goes. My son <BR> is older and autistic. He is going to have 2 amalgams removed starting <BR> on May 18 and it was suggested I give him 100mcg of selenium, which I <BR> have already started without any problems. He is taking 1700mg of <BR> Vitamin C already and it was suggested to add an additional 1000mg for <BR> the removal process. When I tried to increase he got very aggressive <BR> so I stopped and the aggression stopped. It was also suggested to use <BR> Glut Cream prior and after removal. I just received from Kirkmans and <BR> applied yesterday with no problems, he actually had a great day. Today <BR> a different story. He came home and had a major meltdown. Now I have <BR> to assume it is from the cream as nothing else has changed. Can anyone <BR> help with this. I want to make sure all precautions are taken for the <BR> amalgam removal process and he will have them removed by a DAMS dentist <BR> with the Dam and Oxygen being used. Regarding the selenium, I have had <BR> several different opinions on how much to give so I started with the <BR> least amount. Thank you Eileen<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <br><br> <tt> =======================================================<BR> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 This is a common superstition but I haven't found any real support for it, especially since nobody I know of who took thier vitamin C, or even had a vitamin C iv, before removal had any problems with anesthesia. > Vit C may interfere with the dental anesthesia so don't give it the morning of removal. > S S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 > This is a common superstition but I haven't found any real support for > it, especially since nobody I know of who took thier vitamin C, or even > had a vitamin C iv, before removal had any problems with anesthesia. > > > Vit C may interfere with the dental anesthesia so don't give it the morning of removal. > > S S My 4-yr-old daughter recently had a very bad experience with vitamin c and dental anestheia. The anesthesia didn't take at all, she was in a tremendous amount of pain. The dentist insisted that she was just " not in the mood " for a filling that day. This child had five previous fillings and never let out a peep. She had actually been looking forward to the appointment because she knew she would get to watch cartoons on the tv on the ceiling... She screamed through the entire procedure. It was horrible. I found out that night through a google search, that vitamin c has the potential to interfere with anesthesia. My daughter had been taking vitamin c 3x daily for a couple of weeks prior to the appointment and had approx 1000mg about half an hour before the appointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 I am sorry your dentist was so dumb not to know this. Poor baby! Vitamin C effects my anesthesia so much that I can't even drink a glass of orange juice for breakfast the morning before my visit. Please look up other foods that contain C also. Liz D. > My 4-yr-old daughter recently had a very bad experience with vitamin > c and dental anestheia. The anesthesia didn't take at all, she was > in a tremendous amount of pain. The dentist insisted that she was > just " not in the mood " for a filling that day. This child had five > previous fillings and never let out a peep. She had actually been > looking forward to the appointment because she knew she would get to > watch cartoons on the tv on the ceiling... > > She screamed through the entire procedure. It was horrible. I > found out that night through a google search, that vitamin c has the > potential to interfere with anesthesia. My daughter had been taking > vitamin c 3x daily for a couple of weeks prior to the appointment > and had approx 1000mg about half an hour before the appointment. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 My dentist had me on IV-C the whole time he was doing the work. He told me that it could make the anesthesia wear off more quickly than normal, but we had zero problems. ~Inga on 5/4/05 9:52 AM, andrewhallcutler at AndyCutler@... wrote: This is a common superstition but I haven't found any real support for it, especially since nobody I know of who took thier vitamin C, or even had a vitamin C iv, before removal had any problems with anesthesia. > Vit C may interfere with the dental anesthesia so don't give it the morning of removal. > S S ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 My personal experience was that vitamin C does indeed inactivate local anesthetic. OUCH. Perhaps it depends on the type of anesthetic used? I have to have an anesthetic without any vasopressors (epinephrine), which hold the anesthetic in the area of the tooth. Regardless, according to Hal Huggins, DDS, you should avoid oral vitamin C the day of any dental requiring a local anesthetic because it can cause the anes. to wear-off in 5-10 minutes and cause a great deal of unnecessary pain. He also comments that IV vitamin C does not cause this to happen and that he has no explaination for why this is so. G. > > This is a common superstition but I haven't found any real support > for > > it, especially since nobody I know of who took thier vitamin C, or > even > > had a vitamin C iv, before removal had any problems with > anesthesia. > > > > > Vit C may interfere with the dental anesthesia so don't give it > the morning of removal. > > > S S > > > My 4-yr-old daughter recently had a very bad experience with vitamin > c and dental anestheia. The anesthesia didn't take at all, she was > in a tremendous amount of pain. The dentist insisted that she was > just " not in the mood " for a filling that day. This child had five > previous fillings and never let out a peep. She had actually been > looking forward to the appointment because she knew she would get to > watch cartoons on the tv on the ceiling... > > She screamed through the entire procedure. It was horrible. I > found out that night through a google search, that vitamin c has the > potential to interfere with anesthesia. My daughter had been taking > vitamin c 3x daily for a couple of weeks prior to the appointment > and had approx 1000mg about half an hour before the appointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 > My personal experience was that vitamin C does indeed inactivate > local anesthetic. I have just finished removing eighteen amalgam fillings over a period of 10 months. I didnt experience any problem with vitamin C. The anesthetic I got last time lasted for almost 2 hours. My dentist recommends taking lots of vit C an hour ahead and she has given this advice for many years apparently without complications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 I believe IV Vitamin C is the culprit/concern here. Some dentists advocate IV C before and after amalgam removal. How much is " lots " of Vitamin C? EIGHTEEN amalgams? Yikes. Pam > > My personal experience was that vitamin C does indeed inactivate > > local anesthetic. > > I have just finished removing eighteen amalgam fillings over a period > of 10 months. I didnt experience any problem with vitamin C. The > anesthetic I got last time lasted for almost 2 hours. My dentist > recommends taking lots of vit C an hour ahead and she has given this > advice for many years apparently without complications. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Barbara, I would get estimates from many different dentists. Some of them really price gouge you. I had a good bit of work done and it cost me 5,000.00. It included 3 crowns each was 1 thousand each. The rest was fillings. If you start getting them out you should have one quadrant done each visit. This equals 4 visits. But unless one side isn't allot of work you can do this in less time. Ask if some take credit card. Or if they take payments. Some places will. Liz D. > [Original Message] > From: Barbara Soffer <barbsoffer@...> > < > > Date: 5/13/2005 4:12:23 PM > Subject: [ ] Amalgam Removal > > Dear Andy & Others - > > I have 16 amalgams in my mouth and am wondering if you can recommend a specialized dentist in the Southern NJ or Philadelphia, PA area. > > Also, I hear that some dentists use oxygen masks, and other specialized equipment and others believe that oxygen is dangerous because it somehow makes the mercury enter the brain more freely? What are your thoughts on this? I was hoping that the files section would have some info on this but I didn't find anything. > > I can't afford the $20,000 it will cost to remove all of these at once. If I do 2 or 3 a year, will that be harmful to me? If I can't chelate because of the amalgams, is there anything I can do to get any mercury out now or do I have to wait until the job is done? > > At the present time I am healthy and well (as far as I know) and I am chelating three children (two with autism, one with learning issues). > > Thanks for any info you might be able to provide. > > Barbara > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 I have several amalgams remaining. Had one out on Monday. I take oral GSH in hopes it will bind to amalgam I swallow. I've been using TD-GSH as a way to boost GSH internally. In the very least, good placebo effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 It would be unsafe to try to have them all removed at once. Don't let them do more than a quadrant (upper left, lower left, upper right, lower right) at a time. While you're waiting to get your fillings out a chelate, you may want to have a hair test done to see if you have other metal issues going on. One can also clean up environment, diet, etc as much as possible while awaiting but it's dangerous to try to get rid of any mercury until the fillings are out. S S <tt> Dear Andy & Others -<BR> <BR> I have 16 amalgams in my mouth and am wondering if you can recommend a specialized dentist in the Southern NJ or Philadelphia, PA area.<BR> <BR> Also, I hear that some dentists use oxygen masks, and other specialized equipment and others believe that oxygen is dangerous because it somehow makes the mercury enter the brain more freely? What are your thoughts on this? I was hoping that the files section would have some info on this but I didn't find anything.<BR> <BR> I can't afford the $20,000 it will cost to remove all of these at once. If I do 2 or 3 a year, will that be harmful to me? If I can't chelate because of the amalgams, is there anything I can do to get any mercury out now or do I have to wait until the job is done?<BR> <BR> At the present time I am healthy and well (as far as I know) and I am chelating three children (two with autism, one with learning issues).<BR> <BR> Thanks for any info you might be able to provide.<BR> <BR> Barbara<BR> <BR> <BR> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 I am having my sons removed using a DAMS dentist who will use the dam and oxygen. She charged 175 for initial consult and I brought his recent xrays (within a year) and she is charging 375.00 to replace 2. Should I be worried it is not more! She is in Mid Hudson Valley area in NY. Recommened by the DAMS Dental Organization. Eileen > > > <tt> > Dear Andy & Others -<BR> > <BR> > I have 16 amalgams in my mouth and am wondering if you can recommend a specialized dentist in the Southern NJ or Philadelphia, PA area.<BR> > <BR> > Also, I hear that some dentists use oxygen masks, and other specialized equipment and others believe that oxygen is dangerous because it somehow makes the mercury enter the brain more freely? What are your thoughts on this? I was hoping that the files section would have some info on this but I didn't find anything.<BR> > <BR> > I can't afford the $20,000 it will cost to remove all of these at once. If I do 2 or 3 a year, will that be harmful to me? If I can't chelate because of the amalgams, is there anything I can do to get any mercury out now or do I have to wait until the job is done?<BR> > <BR> > At the present time I am healthy and well (as far as I know) and I am chelating three children (two with autism, one with learning issues).<BR> > <BR> > Thanks for any info you might be able to provide.<BR> > <BR> > Barbara<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 > ``````I had all 10 of my Amalgams removed by a biological dentist at one visit and I had no health issues or complications from getting all done at one time, he did test all my teeth for Mercury leakage to see which quadrants to do first, but I did get them all out the same day. We drove all the way to Mexico to see Dr. Morales so doing it in stages was not an option AND I read through several sources that it was actually better to do it all at once because of the bodies healing cylcles. I am doing great now I am following Andy's dosing and schedule, hope this helps ... :0) Nichele ========================<BR> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 > > > <tt> > Dear Andy & Others -<BR> > <BR> >> I can't afford the $20,000 it will cost to remove all of these at ?<BR>,,,,,,,,,,'''''It shouldn't cost that much !!!! I paid $2800 to get all 10 of mine done by Dr. Morales in Mexico we drove there from Colorado I am doing great totally safe for me to get all done at once !!!! Nichele> <BR> issues).<BR> > <BR> > Thanks for any info you might be able to provide.<BR> >> > <br><br> > <tt> > =======================================================<BR> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 YES!!! So glad for both of you!! (now go to sleep and rest!! )Rose > Just a note to let you know that the amalgams are gone!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Eileen, I imagine that this is/was a big big hurdle that you have just completed. So happy for you that everything went so well. Maybe you can do a mini celebration tonight for this accomplishment. Here is my pat on the back for a job well done to both you and ! Jackie D. ebrischoux <ebrischoux@...> wrote:Just a note to let you know that the amalgams are gone!!! was great in the chair for an hour we even went and had some blood drawn afterwards because he was in a super mood. Weird thing about the cane-he is always wonderful for about a day. He gets very happy and calm. I mentioned this to his old dentist who only sees special needs and he said that most parents say the same thing about all the kids no matter what the disability! Interesting! I'm beat tho. I didnt sleep well worrying about the amalgams last night! Eileen --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Glad everything went smoothly! Get some rest! in Oceanside, CA Fighting for one child, in hopes it helps another child. Updated 4-11-05 to include... ~Doing the best I can with the hand I was dealt~ --------------------------------- Mobile Take with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 If you let the body naturally chelate, you are counting on having a body that CAN chelate itself. If you do nothing, you will probably feel better in the longrun than you do now, but there aren't any guarantees. If you are nervous about taking DMSA, DMPS or ALA, you certainly are not alone. Having a son with Autism, I was so scared that I would get sick and be unable to care for him or the rest of my family (excuses!). It didn't happen. What DID happen, since I initially did little after amalgam removal, is that I started feeling sick about 6 months after I had the fillings removed. At that point I started chelation with ALA. I recommend you not take that path. If you have read some and believe you want to follow the advice of Andy Cutler (which many here do), you can either read through the files section or order his book (Amalgam Illness). I didn't take all of the supplements he recommended, but I did do the basics; it can seem overwhelming! Since you are here, I'm just assuming your amalgams are going to be safely removed by someone who follows IAOMT protocol? If not, fix that issue first. If you want to start adding chelators right away, you can use oral DMSA within 4 days of removing amalgams, if I remember correctly (I didin't do that part). A few months later, you can add the oral ALA. If your body is sensitive, start with 1/4 mg per lb of weight (per dose). " Low and slow " will give you the best assurance of not getting sick while keeping up with your busy lifestyle. I just can't stress enough how us caretaking parents need to take care of ourselves. If you remove the amalgams and do nothing, chances are you will have new health issues pop up. They could be transient, but they could be enough to sidetrack you. I am guessing here, but I doubt your body can remove mercury from the brain without help. If I were a scientist, I would offer you some more concrete info about why chelation is better than doing nothing. Being a mom and a mercury toxic woman myself, all I can offer is support. Do this right and you won't regret it. I also have auto-immune, Parkinson's and dementia in my family tree (parents and grandparents)... I'm working on having it skip my generation. Pam > > hi all im sure its been asked before and ive read so many conflicting > results on this question. after removal when and how are you to > chelate? i am going this procedure(removal) myself and already have > some autoimmune systems in question so some are saying to just let the > body naturally chelate others are saying do some things to help it > along. what would you or have you all done?????? i just dont want to > feel bad or sick with a busy and energetic career plus 2 ASD boys > too.some have even said dont remove but i worry about future problems > like lupus or ms and especially alzheimers as it runs predominately in > my family. thanks for input... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Hi, I too am in the process of having my silver amalgam filling replaced with the composite filling. A week or so after they are finished, I'm gonna hop into one of those magnetic clay baths! LOL http://www.magneticclay.com I might do the oral DMSA...MIGHT! It just depends on how the clay baths go. I am using the clay baths on my son right now and they seem to be doing something. They have not harmed him at all. But I do make sure he gets minerals IMMEDIATELY after his baths. I will do that for myself as well. There are a few ways to detox the body. But I agree with what Pam said about the brain. It will need a little help with some ALA later one. Trish > > > > hi all im sure its been asked before and ive read so many > conflicting > > results on this question. after removal when and how are you to > > chelate? i am going this procedure(removal) myself and already have > > some autoimmune systems in question so some are saying to just let > the > > body naturally chelate others are saying do some things to help it > > along. what would you or have you all done?????? i just dont want to > > feel bad or sick with a busy and energetic career plus 2 ASD boys > > too.some have even said dont remove but i worry about future > problems > > like lupus or ms and especially alzheimers as it runs predominately > in > > my family. thanks for input... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Good that you are having the amalgam removed. I think I escaped my mother's fate of depression and early on-set Alzheimer's by having mine replaced. I hadlbvious symptoms of mercury poisoning. You can go ahead and start supplements/diet/enzymes. Wait 3 months after the last amalgam is out before starting ALA but you can go ahead with DMSA. Go low and slow (Andy's protocol). I waited a number of years after having my amalgam removed (about 14 years ago) because at that time I heard and read only of DMPS and DMSA chelation through doctors. I didn't trust any doctors after what I'd been through. I did supplements and enzymes, healthy habits, reduced/removed sources of exposure (antimony, etc) until I found this list about 5 years ago right after it started. I've chelated with ALA (for mercury and arsenic), one bottle's worth of DMSA (lead). I was already vegan and gf when I had the amalgams replaced. S S <tt> hi all im sure its been asked before and ive read so many conflicting <BR> results on this question. after removal when and how are you to <BR> chelate? i am going this procedure(removal) myself and already have <BR> some autoimmune systems in question so some are saying to just let the <BR> body naturally chelate others are saying do some things to help it <BR> along. what would you or have you all done?????? i just dont want to <BR> feel bad or sick with a busy and energetic career plus 2 ASD boys <BR> too.some have even said dont remove but i worry about future problems <BR> like lupus or ms and especially alzheimers as it runs predominately in <BR> my family. thanks for input...<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br><br> <tt> =======================================================<BR> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 ....and future generations! S S I also have auto-immune, Parkinson's and dementia in <BR> my family tree (parents and grandparents)... I'm working on having it <BR> skip my generation. <BR> <BR> Pam<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> ><BR> > hi all im sure its been asked before and ive read so many <BR> conflicting <BR> > results on this question. after removal when and how are you to <BR> > chelate? i am going this procedure(removal) myself and already have <BR> > some autoimmune systems in question so some are saying to just let <BR> the <BR> > body naturally chelate others are saying do some things to help it <BR> > along. what would you or have you all done?????? i just dont want to <BR> > feel bad or sick with a busy and energetic career plus 2 ASD boys <BR> > too.some have even said dont remove but i worry about future <BR> problems <BR> > like lupus or ms and especially alzheimers as it runs predominately <BR> in <BR> > my family. thanks for input...<BR> ><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </tt> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <br><br> <tt> =======================================================<BR> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 > what would you or have you all done?????? Even if I wouldn't really feel sick right now, I would still chelate. Better to chelate now, when your system is still OK, then when you are down already. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 > > hi all im sure its been asked before and ive read so many conflicting > results on this question. after removal when and how are you to > chelate? Pam is right. The recommendation (from Andy C) is to wait four days after amalgam removal to start DMPS or DMSA. Then, three to four months after that you can add ALA. i am going this procedure(removal) myself and already have > some autoimmune systems in question so some are saying to just let the I think autoimmune issues is a good reason to think you need to chelate. Hopefully you are addressing symptoms related to the autoimmune issues before starting to chelate. > body naturally chelate others are saying do some things to help it > along. what would you or have you all done?????? i just dont want to > feel bad or sick with a busy and energetic career plus 2 ASD boys It sounds like you are reasonably functional to begin with, and I think that makes for a good bet you will handle chelation well, with minimal symptoms. If you do have symptoms, reduce the dose. Many adults start as low as 12.5 mg. -- > too.some have even said dont remove but i worry about future problems > like lupus or ms and especially alzheimers as it runs predominately in > my family. thanks for input... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 > > > > hi all im sure its been asked before and ive read so many conflicting > > results on this question. after removal when and how are you to > > chelate? > > Pam is right. The recommendation (from Andy C) is to wait four days > after amalgam removal to start DMPS or DMSA. Then, three to four > months after that you can add ALA. > > > i am going this procedure(removal) myself and already have > > some autoimmune systems in question so some are saying to just let the > > I think autoimmune issues is a good reason to think you need > to chelate. Hopefully you are addressing symptoms related to > the autoimmune issues before starting to chelate. > > > > body naturally chelate others are saying do some things to help it > > along. what would you or have you all done?????? i just dont want to > > feel bad or sick with a busy and energetic career plus 2 ASD boys > > It sounds like you are reasonably functional to begin with, and > I think that makes for a good bet you will handle chelation well, > with minimal symptoms. If you do have symptoms, reduce the dose. > Many adults start as low as 12.5 mg. > > -- > > > > too.some have even said dont remove but i worry about future problems > > like lupus or ms and especially alzheimers as it runs predominately in > > my family. thanks for input... > > >THANKS VERY HELPFUL ADVICE... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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