amalgam removal

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Vit C may interfere with the dental anesthesia so don't give it the morning of

removal.

S S

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Hi, I posted once before regarding the removal of amalgams but didnt <BR>

get any replys.  It was suggested I post again so here it goes.  My son <BR>

is older and autistic.  He is going to have 2 amalgams removed starting <BR>

on May 18 and it was suggested I give him 100mcg of selenium, which I <BR>

have already started without any problems.  He is taking 1700mg of <BR>

Vitamin C already and it was suggested to add an additional 1000mg for <BR>

the removal process.  When I tried to increase he got very aggressive <BR>

so I stopped and the aggression stopped.  It was also suggested to use <BR>

Glut Cream prior and after removal.  I just received from Kirkmans and <BR>

applied yesterday with no problems, he actually had a great day.  Today <BR>

a different story.  He came home and had a major meltdown. Now I have <BR>

to assume it is from the cream as nothing else has changed.  Can anyone <BR>

help with this.  I want to make sure all precautions are taken for the <BR>

amalgam removal process and he will have them removed by a DAMS dentist <BR>

with the Dam and Oxygen being used.  Regarding the selenium, I have had <BR>

several different opinions on how much to give so I started with the <BR>

least amount.  Thank you Eileen<BR>

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Thanks

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This is a common superstition but I haven't found any real support for

it, especially since nobody I know of who took thier vitamin C, or even

had a vitamin C iv, before removal had any problems with anesthesia.

> Vit C may interfere with the dental anesthesia so don't give it the morning of

removal.

> S S

[Guest guest]

> This is a common superstition but I haven't found any real support

for

> it, especially since nobody I know of who took thier vitamin C, or

even

> had a vitamin C iv, before removal had any problems with

anesthesia.

>

> > Vit C may interfere with the dental anesthesia so don't give it

the morning of removal.

> > S S

My 4-yr-old daughter recently had a very bad experience with vitamin

c and dental anestheia. The anesthesia didn't take at all, she was

in a tremendous amount of pain. The dentist insisted that she was

just " not in the mood " for a filling that day. This child had five

previous fillings and never let out a peep. She had actually been

looking forward to the appointment because she knew she would get to

watch cartoons on the tv on the ceiling...

She screamed through the entire procedure. It was horrible. I

found out that night through a google search, that vitamin c has the

potential to interfere with anesthesia. My daughter had been taking

vitamin c 3x daily for a couple of weeks prior to the appointment

and had approx 1000mg about half an hour before the appointment.

[Guest guest]

I am sorry your dentist was so dumb not to know this. Poor baby!

Vitamin C effects my anesthesia so much that I can't even drink a

glass of orange juice for breakfast the morning before my visit.

Please look up other foods that contain C also.

Liz D.

> My 4-yr-old daughter recently had a very bad experience with vitamin

> c and dental anestheia. The anesthesia didn't take at all, she was

> in a tremendous amount of pain. The dentist insisted that she was

> just " not in the mood " for a filling that day. This child had five

> previous fillings and never let out a peep. She had actually been

> looking forward to the appointment because she knew she would get to

> watch cartoons on the tv on the ceiling...

>

> She screamed through the entire procedure. It was horrible. I

> found out that night through a google search, that vitamin c has the

> potential to interfere with anesthesia. My daughter had been taking

> vitamin c 3x daily for a couple of weeks prior to the appointment

> and had approx 1000mg about half an hour before the appointment.

>

>

[Guest guest]

My dentist had me on IV-C the whole time he was doing the work. He told me

that it could make the anesthesia wear off more quickly than normal, but we

had zero problems.

~Inga

on 5/4/05 9:52 AM, andrewhallcutler at AndyCutler@... wrote:

This is a common superstition but I haven't found any real support for

it, especially since nobody I know of who took thier vitamin C, or even

had a vitamin C iv, before removal had any problems with anesthesia.

> Vit C may interfere with the dental anesthesia so don't give it the morning of

removal.

> S S

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My personal experience was that vitamin C does indeed inactivate

local anesthetic. OUCH. Perhaps it depends on the type of anesthetic

used? I have to have an anesthetic without any vasopressors

(epinephrine), which hold the anesthetic in the area of the tooth.

Regardless, according to Hal Huggins, DDS, you should avoid oral

vitamin C the day of any dental requiring a local anesthetic because

it can cause the anes. to wear-off in 5-10 minutes and cause a great

deal of unnecessary pain. He also comments that IV vitamin C does

not cause this to happen and that he has no explaination for why this

is so.

G.

> > This is a common superstition but I haven't found any real

support

> for

> > it, especially since nobody I know of who took thier vitamin C,

or

> even

> > had a vitamin C iv, before removal had any problems with

> anesthesia.

> >

> > > Vit C may interfere with the dental anesthesia so don't give it

> the morning of removal.

> > > S S

>

>

> My 4-yr-old daughter recently had a very bad experience with

vitamin

> c and dental anestheia. The anesthesia didn't take at all, she was

> in a tremendous amount of pain. The dentist insisted that she was

> just " not in the mood " for a filling that day. This child had five

> previous fillings and never let out a peep. She had actually been

> looking forward to the appointment because she knew she would get

to

> watch cartoons on the tv on the ceiling...

>

> She screamed through the entire procedure. It was horrible. I

> found out that night through a google search, that vitamin c has

the

> potential to interfere with anesthesia. My daughter had been

taking

> vitamin c 3x daily for a couple of weeks prior to the appointment

> and had approx 1000mg about half an hour before the appointment.

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> My personal experience was that vitamin C does indeed inactivate

> local anesthetic.

I have just finished removing eighteen amalgam fillings over a period

of 10 months. I didnt experience any problem with vitamin C. The

anesthetic I got last time lasted for almost 2 hours. My dentist

recommends taking lots of vit C an hour ahead and she has given this

advice for many years apparently without complications.

[Guest guest]

I believe IV Vitamin C is the culprit/concern here. Some dentists

advocate IV C before and after amalgam removal.

How much is " lots " of Vitamin C?

EIGHTEEN amalgams? Yikes.

Pam

> > My personal experience was that vitamin C does indeed inactivate

> > local anesthetic.

>

> I have just finished removing eighteen amalgam fillings over a

period

> of 10 months. I didnt experience any problem with vitamin C. The

> anesthetic I got last time lasted for almost 2 hours. My dentist

> recommends taking lots of vit C an hour ahead and she has given this

> advice for many years apparently without complications.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Barbara, I would get estimates from many different dentists.

Some of them really price gouge you. I had a good bit of work

done and it cost me 5,000.00. It included 3 crowns each was

1 thousand each. The rest was fillings.

If you start getting them out you should have one quadrant done

each visit. This equals 4 visits. But unless one side isn't allot of

work you can do this in less time.

Ask if some take credit card. Or if they take payments. Some

places will.

Liz D.

> [Original Message]

> From: Barbara Soffer <barbsoffer@...>

> < >

> Date: 5/13/2005 4:12:23 PM

> Subject: [ ] Amalgam Removal

>

> Dear Andy & Others -

>

> I have 16 amalgams in my mouth and am wondering if you can recommend a

specialized dentist in the Southern NJ or Philadelphia, PA area.

>

> Also, I hear that some dentists use oxygen masks, and other specialized

equipment and others believe that oxygen is dangerous because it somehow

makes the mercury enter the brain more freely? What are your thoughts on

this? I was hoping that the files section would have some info on this but

I didn't find anything.

>

> I can't afford the $20,000 it will cost to remove all of these at once.

If I do 2 or 3 a year, will that be harmful to me? If I can't chelate

because of the amalgams, is there anything I can do to get any mercury out

now or do I have to wait until the job is done?

>

> At the present time I am healthy and well (as far as I know) and I am

chelating three children (two with autism, one with learning issues).

>

> Thanks for any info you might be able to provide.

>

> Barbara

>

>

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I have several amalgams remaining. Had one out on Monday. I take oral

GSH in hopes it will bind to amalgam I swallow. I've been using TD-GSH

as a way to boost GSH internally. In the very least, good placebo effects.

[Guest guest]

It would be unsafe to try to have them all removed at once. Don't let them do

more than a quadrant (upper left, lower left, upper right, lower right) at a

time. While you're waiting to get your fillings out a chelate, you may want to

have a hair test done to see if you have other metal issues going on. One can

also clean up environment, diet, etc as much as possible while awaiting but it's

dangerous to try to get rid of any mercury until the fillings are out.

S S

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Dear Andy & Others -<BR>

<BR>

I have 16 amalgams in my mouth and am wondering if you can recommend a

specialized dentist in the Southern NJ or Philadelphia, PA area.<BR>

<BR>

Also, I hear that some dentists use oxygen masks, and other specialized

equipment and others believe that oxygen is dangerous because it somehow makes

the mercury enter the brain more freely?  What are your thoughts on this?  I was

hoping that the files section would have some info on this but I didn't find

anything.<BR>

<BR>

I can't afford the $20,000 it will cost to remove all of these at once.  If I do

2 or 3 a year, will that be harmful to me?  If I can't chelate because of the

amalgams, is there anything I can do to get any mercury out now or do I have to

wait until the job is done?<BR>

<BR>

At the present time I am healthy and well (as far as I know) and I am chelating

three children (two with autism, one with learning issues).<BR>

<BR>

Thanks for any info you might be able to provide.<BR>

<BR>

Barbara<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

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I am having my sons removed using a DAMS dentist who will use the dam

and oxygen. She charged 175 for initial consult and I brought his

recent xrays (within a year) and she is charging 375.00 to replace

2. Should I be worried it is not more! She is in Mid Hudson Valley

area in NY. Recommened by the DAMS Dental Organization. Eileen

>

>

> <tt>

> Dear Andy & Others -<BR>

> <BR>

> I have 16 amalgams in my mouth and am wondering if you can

recommend a specialized dentist in the Southern NJ or Philadelphia,

PA area.<BR>

> <BR>

> Also, I hear that some dentists use oxygen masks, and other

specialized equipment and others believe that oxygen is dangerous

because it somehow makes the mercury enter the brain more freely? 

What are your thoughts on this?  I was hoping that the files section

would have some info on this but I didn't find anything.<BR>

> <BR>

> I can't afford the $20,000 it will cost to remove all of these at

once.  If I do 2 or 3 a year, will that be harmful to me?  If I can't

chelate because of the amalgams, is there anything I can do to get

any mercury out now or do I have to wait until the job is done?<BR>

> <BR>

> At the present time I am healthy and well (as far as I know) and I

am chelating three children (two with autism, one with learning

issues).<BR>

> <BR>

> Thanks for any info you might be able to provide.<BR>

> <BR>

> Barbara<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

>

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> ``````I had all 10 of my Amalgams removed by a biological dentist

at one visit and I had no health issues or complications from

getting all done at one time, he did test all my teeth for Mercury

leakage to see which quadrants to do first, but I did get them all

out the same day. We drove all the way to Mexico to see Dr. Morales

so doing it in stages was not an option AND I read through several

sources that it was actually better to do it all at once because of

the bodies healing cylcles. I am doing great now I am following

Andy's dosing and schedule, hope this helps ... :0) Nichele

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>

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>

>

> <tt>

> Dear Andy & Others -<BR>

> <BR>

>> I can't afford the $20,000 it will cost to remove all of these

at ?<BR>,,,,,,,,,,'''''It shouldn't cost that much !!!! I paid $2800

to get all 10 of mine done by Dr. Morales in Mexico we drove there

from Colorado I am doing great totally safe for me to get all done

at once !!!! Nichele> <BR>

issues).<BR>

> <BR>

> Thanks for any info you might be able to provide.<BR>

>>

> <br><br>

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YES!!! So glad for both of you!! (now go to sleep and rest!! )Rose

> Just a note to let you know that the amalgams are gone!!!

[Guest guest]

Eileen, I imagine that this is/was a big big hurdle that you have just

completed. So happy for you that everything went so well. Maybe you can do a

mini celebration tonight for this accomplishment. Here is my pat on the back for

a job well done to both you and ! Jackie D.

ebrischoux <ebrischoux@...> wrote:Just a note to let you know that the

amalgams are gone!!! was

great in the chair for an hour we even went and had some blood drawn

afterwards because he was in a super mood. Weird thing about the

cane-he is always wonderful for about a day. He gets very happy

and calm. I mentioned this to his old dentist who only sees special

needs and he said that most parents say the same thing about all the

kids no matter what the disability! Interesting! I'm beat tho. I

didnt sleep well worrying about the amalgams last night! Eileen

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Glad everything went smoothly! Get some rest!

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Updated 4-11-05 to include...

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If you let the body naturally chelate, you are counting on having a

body that CAN chelate itself. If you do nothing, you will probably

feel better in the longrun than you do now, but there aren't any

guarantees.

If you are nervous about taking DMSA, DMPS or ALA, you certainly are

not alone. Having a son with Autism, I was so scared that I would get

sick and be unable to care for him or the rest of my family

(excuses!). It didn't happen. What DID happen, since I initially did

little after amalgam removal, is that I started feeling sick about 6

months after I had the fillings removed. At that point I started

chelation with ALA. I recommend you not take that path.

If you have read some and believe you want to follow the advice of

Andy Cutler (which many here do), you can either read through the

files section or order his book (Amalgam Illness). I didn't take all

of the supplements he recommended, but I did do the basics; it can

seem overwhelming!

Since you are here, I'm just assuming your amalgams are going to be

safely removed by someone who follows IAOMT protocol? If not, fix

that issue first.

If you want to start adding chelators right away, you can use oral

DMSA within 4 days of removing amalgams, if I remember correctly (I

didin't do that part). A few months later, you can add the oral ALA.

If your body is sensitive, start with 1/4 mg per lb of weight (per

dose).

" Low and slow " will give you the best assurance of not getting sick

while keeping up with your busy lifestyle. I just can't stress enough

how us caretaking parents need to take care of ourselves. If you

remove the amalgams and do nothing, chances are you will have new

health issues pop up. They could be transient, but they could be

enough to sidetrack you.

I am guessing here, but I doubt your body can remove mercury from the

brain without help.

If I were a scientist, I would offer you some more concrete info about

why chelation is better than doing nothing. Being a mom and a mercury

toxic woman myself, all I can offer is support. Do this right and you

won't regret it. I also have auto-immune, Parkinson's and dementia in

my family tree (parents and grandparents)... I'm working on having it

skip my generation.

Pam

>

> hi all im sure its been asked before and ive read so many

conflicting

> results on this question. after removal when and how are you to

> chelate? i am going this procedure(removal) myself and already have

> some autoimmune systems in question so some are saying to just let

the

> body naturally chelate others are saying do some things to help it

> along. what would you or have you all done?????? i just dont want to

> feel bad or sick with a busy and energetic career plus 2 ASD boys

> too.some have even said dont remove but i worry about future

problems

> like lupus or ms and especially alzheimers as it runs predominately

in

> my family. thanks for input...

>

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Hi, I too am in the process of having my silver amalgam filling

replaced with the composite filling. A week or so after they are

finished, I'm gonna hop into one of those magnetic clay baths! LOL

http://www.magneticclay.com I might do the oral DMSA...MIGHT! It

just depends on how the clay baths go. I am using the clay baths on

my son right now and they seem to be doing something. They have not

harmed him at all. But I do make sure he gets minerals IMMEDIATELY

after his baths. I will do that for myself as well. There are a few

ways to detox the body. But I agree with what Pam said about the

brain. It will need a little help with some ALA later one.

Trish

> >

> > hi all im sure its been asked before and ive read so many

> conflicting

> > results on this question. after removal when and how are you to

> > chelate? i am going this procedure(removal) myself and already

have

> > some autoimmune systems in question so some are saying to just

let

> the

> > body naturally chelate others are saying do some things to help

it

> > along. what would you or have you all done?????? i just dont

want to

> > feel bad or sick with a busy and energetic career plus 2 ASD

boys

> > too.some have even said dont remove but i worry about future

> problems

> > like lupus or ms and especially alzheimers as it runs

predominately

> in

> > my family. thanks for input...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Good that you are having the amalgam removed. I think I escaped my mother's

fate of depression and early on-set Alzheimer's by having mine replaced. I

hadlbvious symptoms of mercury poisoning. You can go ahead and start

supplements/diet/enzymes. Wait 3 months after the last amalgam is out before

starting ALA but you can go ahead with DMSA. Go low and slow (Andy's protocol).

I waited a number of years after having my amalgam removed (about 14 years ago)

because at that time I heard and read only of DMPS and DMSA chelation through

doctors. I didn't trust any doctors after what I'd been through. I did

supplements and enzymes, healthy habits, reduced/removed sources of exposure

(antimony, etc) until I found this list about 5 years ago right after it

started. I've chelated with ALA (for mercury and arsenic), one bottle's worth

of DMSA (lead). I was already vegan and gf when I had the amalgams replaced.

S S

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hi all im sure its been asked before and ive read so many conflicting <BR>

results on this question. after removal when and how are you to <BR>

chelate? i am going this procedure(removal) myself and already have <BR>

some autoimmune systems in question so some are saying to just let the <BR>

body naturally chelate others are saying do some things to help it <BR>

along. what would you or have you all done?????? i just dont want to <BR>

feel bad or sick with a busy and energetic career plus 2 ASD boys <BR>

too.some have even said dont remove but i worry about future problems <BR>

like lupus or ms and especially alzheimers as it runs predominately in <BR>

my family. thanks for input...<BR>

<BR>

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....and future generations!

S S

I also have auto-immune, Parkinson's and dementia in <BR>

my family tree (parents and grandparents)... I'm working on having it <BR>

skip my generation.  <BR>

<BR>

Pam<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

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> hi all im sure its been asked before and ive read so many <BR>

conflicting <BR>

> results on this question. after removal when and how are you to <BR>

> chelate? i am going this procedure(removal) myself and already have <BR>

> some autoimmune systems in question so some are saying to just let <BR>

the <BR>

> body naturally chelate others are saying do some things to help it <BR>

> along. what would you or have you all done?????? i just dont want to <BR>

> feel bad or sick with a busy and energetic career plus 2 ASD boys <BR>

> too.some have even said dont remove but i worry about future <BR>

problems <BR>

> like lupus or ms and especially alzheimers as it runs predominately <BR>

in <BR>

> my family. thanks for input...<BR>

><BR>

<BR>

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> what would you or have you all done??????

Even if I wouldn't really feel sick right now, I would still chelate.

Better to chelate now, when your system is still OK, then when you are down

already.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

>

> hi all im sure its been asked before and ive read so many conflicting

> results on this question. after removal when and how are you to

> chelate?

Pam is right. The recommendation (from Andy C) is to wait four days

after amalgam removal to start DMPS or DMSA. Then, three to four

months after that you can add ALA.

i am going this procedure(removal) myself and already have

> some autoimmune systems in question so some are saying to just let the

I think autoimmune issues is a good reason to think you need

to chelate. Hopefully you are addressing symptoms related to

the autoimmune issues before starting to chelate.

> body naturally chelate others are saying do some things to help it

> along. what would you or have you all done?????? i just dont want to

> feel bad or sick with a busy and energetic career plus 2 ASD boys

It sounds like you are reasonably functional to begin with, and

I think that makes for a good bet you will handle chelation well,

with minimal symptoms. If you do have symptoms, reduce the dose.

Many adults start as low as 12.5 mg.

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> too.some have even said dont remove but i worry about future problems

> like lupus or ms and especially alzheimers as it runs predominately in

> my family. thanks for input...

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > hi all im sure its been asked before and ive read so many

conflicting

> > results on this question. after removal when and how are you to

> > chelate?

>

> Pam is right. The recommendation (from Andy C) is to wait four

days

> after amalgam removal to start DMPS or DMSA. Then, three to four

> months after that you can add ALA.

>

>

> i am going this procedure(removal) myself and already have

> > some autoimmune systems in question so some are saying to just

let the

>

> I think autoimmune issues is a good reason to think you need

> to chelate. Hopefully you are addressing symptoms related to

> the autoimmune issues before starting to chelate.

>

>

> > body naturally chelate others are saying do some things to help

it

> > along. what would you or have you all done?????? i just dont

want to

> > feel bad or sick with a busy and energetic career plus 2 ASD

boys

>

> It sounds like you are reasonably functional to begin with, and

> I think that makes for a good bet you will handle chelation well,

> with minimal symptoms. If you do have symptoms, reduce the dose.

> Many adults start as low as 12.5 mg.

>

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>

>

> > too.some have even said dont remove but i worry about future

problems

> > like lupus or ms and especially alzheimers as it runs

predominately in

> > my family. thanks for input...

> >

>THANKS VERY HELPFUL ADVICE...