Re: - WARNING - adult in nature

June 14, 2005

When I first went into a store like that, I was so

embarassed but then I said I don't care because its

not like I am cheating or anything. I think I was

worried about someone from my church seeing me go in

or come out and then I said I don't care. I will

check out the site....but later because I am at

work-lol.

Talk with you later. I think Robynn said she was

going to take me when she comes back to work. Maybe I

should go on Thursday (thinking about taking off early

because I fly out to North Carolina on Thursday night)

and pick up something for Father's Day. I need to

find a place were you can buy costumes and stuff. I

looked at Frederick's of Hollywood but I want

something local...like Fairfield, Vacaville, Oakland,

Richmond area. Any thoughts.

Thanks.

Pam Marsh - Striving for Excellence and not Perfection

--- Eleanor Oster wls@...> wrote:

> There are three locations of Good Vibrations. There

> are two in San

> Francisco and one in Berkeley. The Berkeley one

> (which is the only one

> I've been to) is on San Pablo near Dwight. Very

> helpful, non-judgmental

> staff. They do also have a website at

> www.goodvibes.com.

>

> Pamela A Marsh wrote:

>

> > Eleanor, thanks for the advice. Although I don't

> have any issues in

> > the bedroom, I would like to hear more about that

> store " good

> > vibrations " or whatever the name is because I am

> always up for doing

> > new things or adding just a little more spice to

> things.

>

> --

>

> Eleanor Oster

> eleanor@... (personal address)

> www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm

> San , CA

> Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003

> P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)

> ~5'9 " tall

> 05/09/2003 319 Orientation

> 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery

> Current ~150 Goal until plastics?

> Goal 140-150?

>

__________________________________________________

June 14, 2005

When I first went into a store like that, I was so

embarassed but then I said I don't care because its

not like I am cheating or anything. I think I was

worried about someone from my church seeing me go in

or come out and then I said I don't care. I will

check out the site....but later because I am at

work-lol.

Talk with you later. I think Robynn said she was

going to take me when she comes back to work. Maybe I

should go on Thursday (thinking about taking off early

because I fly out to North Carolina on Thursday night)

and pick up something for Father's Day. I need to

find a place were you can buy costumes and stuff. I

looked at Frederick's of Hollywood but I want

something local...like Fairfield, Vacaville, Oakland,

Richmond area. Any thoughts.

Thanks.

Pam Marsh - Striving for Excellence and not Perfection

--- Eleanor Oster wls@...> wrote:

> There are three locations of Good Vibrations. There

> are two in San

> Francisco and one in Berkeley. The Berkeley one

> (which is the only one

> I've been to) is on San Pablo near Dwight. Very

> helpful, non-judgmental

> staff. They do also have a website at

> www.goodvibes.com.

>

> Pamela A Marsh wrote:

>

> > Eleanor, thanks for the advice. Although I don't

> have any issues in

> > the bedroom, I would like to hear more about that

> store " good

> > vibrations " or whatever the name is because I am

> always up for doing

> > new things or adding just a little more spice to

> things.

>

> --

>

> Eleanor Oster

> eleanor@... (personal address)

> www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm

> San , CA

> Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003

> P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)

> ~5'9 " tall

> 05/09/2003 319 Orientation

> 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery

> Current ~150 Goal until plastics?

> Goal 140-150?

>

__________________________________________________

June 14, 2005

I am glad you are feeling great but don't push it.

You will get cleared to start back at the gym at two

weeks but no weights until 6 weeks.

Pam Marsh

--- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

> Doing pretty good. I've been taking walks, although

> not as many as I'd like, since my caregivers are in

> worse shape than I am (my mom, my brother!) Steve

> is working a lot, and taking sailing courses on the

> weekends, so he hasn't been around to walk me.

> Fortunately, my sister is back from Mexico, and

> she'll be up here in a coupke of days...and she's as

> athletic as I am. So, it works out, because I

> should be getting my strength back in time to walk

> like a maniac with her. She'll walk five times a

> day, five miles each time if need be!! When did you

> start Curves? I''ve been wondering when I should

> get started with my trainer again (non-Pilates...the

> other one.) Should I give myself a couple/few weeks

> to recuperate before I start back with weights (yes,

> I know...less than 20 lbs. for four to six weeks)

> and squats, etc..?

>

> Robynn

> Pamela A Marsh sweetnlow20012001@...> wrote:

> Cool. I suppose I will see you in about another two

> weeks or so. I hope you are doing fine. Can't wait

> to see you.

>

> Pam Marsh

>

> --- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

>

> > Pam...when I'm back in the office, we'll take a

> > little lunch time trip over to the store. It's a

> > great place.

> >

> > Robynn

> >

> > Pamela A Marsh sweetnlow20012001@...>

> wrote:

> > Uncle Timmy, in another post you mentioned

> someting

> > about someone asking you to write a book. I think

> I

> > asked you, Francisco and Robynn about writing a

> > book.

> > I am waiting and you know it will be a best

> seller.

> > I

> > always enjoy reading what you post.

> >

> > Eleanor, thanks for the advice. Although I don't

> > have

> > any issues in the bedroom, I would like to hear

> more

> > about that store " good vibrations " or whatever the

> > name is because I am always up for doing new

> things

> > or

> > adding just a little more spice to things.

> >

> > thanks again.

> >

> > Pam Marsh

> >

> > --- Uncle Timmy n01un0@...> wrote:

> >

> > > This is fantastic advise, Eleanor, thank you for

> > > your honesty and

> > > openness! This can be a very scary topic, for

> the

> > > notoriously

> > > fragile male ego, but as a male of a certain age

> > > (47), having had

> > > diabetes for a decade (completely normal

> post-op),

> > > and having

> > > experienced the libido killing effects of

> Prozac,

> > I

> > > wholeheartedly

> > > endorse each of your suggestions! (Two words:

> > oral

> > > fixation -

> > > LOL!) Oh, don't pretend to be so shocked. I'm

> a

> > > lot of things, but

> > > shy isn't one of them!

> > >

> > > Like obesity, sex is a complex and fascinating

> > > topic. To use an apt

> > > analogy, it's like a buffet. No one is going to

> > > like everything on

> > > the menu, but everyone can find something to

> > > satisfy. As our food

> > > tastes may change post-op, so may our sexual

> > > appetites, with age,

> > > health, and experience/experimentation.

> > >

> > > Sex (like food) can mean many things to many

> > people.

> > > It's a primal

> > > biological drive, of course. We must perpetuate

> > the

> > > species, but at

> > > the other end of the spectrum, it's the ultimate

> > > physical expression

> > > of love between two people. In between are all

> > the

> > > recreational

> > > applications - it just feels so damned good, and

> > > (again like food)

> > > it releases pleasure chemicals in the brain, and

> > the

> > > emotional

> > > aspects. Sex creates an emotional bond between

> > > partners.

> > >

> > > Just another scenic drive along the journey!

> > >

> > > Uncle Timmy -236

> > >

> > > > Hi ,

> > > >

> > > > I mentioned that I was with my previous

> husband

> > > for decades. What

> > > I did

> > > > not mention is that he was impotent, so I

> > > basically closed the

> > > door on

> > > > my sexuality for more than a decade.

> > > >

> > > > OK, here's my personal (very!) recommendation,

> > and

> > > I truly hope it

> > > does

> > > > not offend. If it doesn't fit you and your

> > > marriage, feel free to

> > > reject

> > > > it. I understand that your husband's libido is

> > > diminished because

> > > of his

> > > > health problems. Is he comfortable with either

> > > helping you with

> > > either

> > > > hands, mouth, or toys, or holding you while

> you

> > > play with them?

> > > This may

> > > > seem awkward at first, but might be a way for

> > your

> > > libido issues

> > > to be

> > > > addressed, without straying. I highly

> recommend

> > > Good Vibrations on

> > > San

> > > > Pablo as a source of advice, toys, and erotic

> > > literature.

> > > >

> > > > Feel free to contact me for any other

> > suggestions.

> > > You do need to

> > > take

> > > > care of ALL facets of your life, including

> your

> > > sexuality. Like I

> > > said,

> > > > I hope this doesn't offend. I truly don't mean

> > it

> > > to.

> > > >

> > > > Eleanor

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Eleanor Oster

> > > > eleanor@s... (personal address)

> > > > www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm

> > > > San , CA

> > > > Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003

> > > > P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)

> > > > ~5'9 " tall

> > > > 05/09/2003 319 Orientation

> > > > 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery

> > > > Current ~150 Goal until plastics?

> > > > Goal 140-150?

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

June 14, 2005

I am glad you are feeling great but don't push it.

You will get cleared to start back at the gym at two

weeks but no weights until 6 weeks.

Pam Marsh

--- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

> Doing pretty good. I've been taking walks, although

> not as many as I'd like, since my caregivers are in

> worse shape than I am (my mom, my brother!) Steve

> is working a lot, and taking sailing courses on the

> weekends, so he hasn't been around to walk me.

> Fortunately, my sister is back from Mexico, and

> she'll be up here in a coupke of days...and she's as

> athletic as I am. So, it works out, because I

> should be getting my strength back in time to walk

> like a maniac with her. She'll walk five times a

> day, five miles each time if need be!! When did you

> start Curves? I''ve been wondering when I should

> get started with my trainer again (non-Pilates...the

> other one.) Should I give myself a couple/few weeks

> to recuperate before I start back with weights (yes,

> I know...less than 20 lbs. for four to six weeks)

> and squats, etc..?

>

> Robynn

> Pamela A Marsh sweetnlow20012001@...> wrote:

> Cool. I suppose I will see you in about another two

> weeks or so. I hope you are doing fine. Can't wait

> to see you.

>

> Pam Marsh

>

> --- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

>

> > Pam...when I'm back in the office, we'll take a

> > little lunch time trip over to the store. It's a

> > great place.

> >

> > Robynn

> >

> > Pamela A Marsh sweetnlow20012001@...>

> wrote:

> > Uncle Timmy, in another post you mentioned

> someting

> > about someone asking you to write a book. I think

> I

> > asked you, Francisco and Robynn about writing a

> > book.

> > I am waiting and you know it will be a best

> seller.

> > I

> > always enjoy reading what you post.

> >

> > Eleanor, thanks for the advice. Although I don't

> > have

> > any issues in the bedroom, I would like to hear

> more

> > about that store " good vibrations " or whatever the

> > name is because I am always up for doing new

> things

> > or

> > adding just a little more spice to things.

> >

> > thanks again.

> >

> > Pam Marsh

> >

> > --- Uncle Timmy n01un0@...> wrote:

> >

> > > This is fantastic advise, Eleanor, thank you for

> > > your honesty and

> > > openness! This can be a very scary topic, for

> the

> > > notoriously

> > > fragile male ego, but as a male of a certain age

> > > (47), having had

> > > diabetes for a decade (completely normal

> post-op),

> > > and having

> > > experienced the libido killing effects of

> Prozac,

> > I

> > > wholeheartedly

> > > endorse each of your suggestions! (Two words:

> > oral

> > > fixation -

> > > LOL!) Oh, don't pretend to be so shocked. I'm

> a

> > > lot of things, but

> > > shy isn't one of them!

> > >

> > > Like obesity, sex is a complex and fascinating

> > > topic. To use an apt

> > > analogy, it's like a buffet. No one is going to

> > > like everything on

> > > the menu, but everyone can find something to

> > > satisfy. As our food

> > > tastes may change post-op, so may our sexual

> > > appetites, with age,

> > > health, and experience/experimentation.

> > >

> > > Sex (like food) can mean many things to many

> > people.

> > > It's a primal

> > > biological drive, of course. We must perpetuate

> > the

> > > species, but at

> > > the other end of the spectrum, it's the ultimate

> > > physical expression

> > > of love between two people. In between are all

> > the

> > > recreational

> > > applications - it just feels so damned good, and

> > > (again like food)

> > > it releases pleasure chemicals in the brain, and

> > the

> > > emotional

> > > aspects. Sex creates an emotional bond between

> > > partners.

> > >

> > > Just another scenic drive along the journey!

> > >

> > > Uncle Timmy -236

> > >

> > > > Hi ,

> > > >

> > > > I mentioned that I was with my previous

> husband

> > > for decades. What

> > > I did

> > > > not mention is that he was impotent, so I

> > > basically closed the

> > > door on

> > > > my sexuality for more than a decade.

> > > >

> > > > OK, here's my personal (very!) recommendation,

> > and

> > > I truly hope it

> > > does

> > > > not offend. If it doesn't fit you and your

> > > marriage, feel free to

> > > reject

> > > > it. I understand that your husband's libido is

> > > diminished because

> > > of his

> > > > health problems. Is he comfortable with either

> > > helping you with

> > > either

> > > > hands, mouth, or toys, or holding you while

> you

> > > play with them?

> > > This may

> > > > seem awkward at first, but might be a way for

> > your

> > > libido issues

> > > to be

> > > > addressed, without straying. I highly

> recommend

> > > Good Vibrations on

> > > San

> > > > Pablo as a source of advice, toys, and erotic

> > > literature.

> > > >

> > > > Feel free to contact me for any other

> > suggestions.

> > > You do need to

> > > take

> > > > care of ALL facets of your life, including

> your

> > > sexuality. Like I

> > > said,

> > > > I hope this doesn't offend. I truly don't mean

> > it

> > > to.

> > > >

> > > > Eleanor

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Eleanor Oster

> > > > eleanor@s... (personal address)

> > > > www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm

> > > > San , CA

> > > > Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003

> > > > P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)

> > > > ~5'9 " tall

> > > > 05/09/2003 319 Orientation

> > > > 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery

> > > > Current ~150 Goal until plastics?

> > > > Goal 140-150?

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

June 14, 2005

I am glad you are feeling great but don't push it.

You will get cleared to start back at the gym at two

weeks but no weights until 6 weeks.

Pam Marsh

--- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

> Doing pretty good. I've been taking walks, although

> not as many as I'd like, since my caregivers are in

> worse shape than I am (my mom, my brother!) Steve

> is working a lot, and taking sailing courses on the

> weekends, so he hasn't been around to walk me.

> Fortunately, my sister is back from Mexico, and

> she'll be up here in a coupke of days...and she's as

> athletic as I am. So, it works out, because I

> should be getting my strength back in time to walk

> like a maniac with her. She'll walk five times a

> day, five miles each time if need be!! When did you

> start Curves? I''ve been wondering when I should

> get started with my trainer again (non-Pilates...the

> other one.) Should I give myself a couple/few weeks

> to recuperate before I start back with weights (yes,

> I know...less than 20 lbs. for four to six weeks)

> and squats, etc..?

>

> Robynn

> Pamela A Marsh sweetnlow20012001@...> wrote:

> Cool. I suppose I will see you in about another two

> weeks or so. I hope you are doing fine. Can't wait

> to see you.

>

> Pam Marsh

>

> --- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

>

> > Pam...when I'm back in the office, we'll take a

> > little lunch time trip over to the store. It's a

> > great place.

> >

> > Robynn

> >

> > Pamela A Marsh sweetnlow20012001@...>

> wrote:

> > Uncle Timmy, in another post you mentioned

> someting

> > about someone asking you to write a book. I think

> I

> > asked you, Francisco and Robynn about writing a

> > book.

> > I am waiting and you know it will be a best

> seller.

> > I

> > always enjoy reading what you post.

> >

> > Eleanor, thanks for the advice. Although I don't

> > have

> > any issues in the bedroom, I would like to hear

> more

> > about that store " good vibrations " or whatever the

> > name is because I am always up for doing new

> things

> > or

> > adding just a little more spice to things.

> >

> > thanks again.

> >

> > Pam Marsh

> >

> > --- Uncle Timmy n01un0@...> wrote:

> >

> > > This is fantastic advise, Eleanor, thank you for

> > > your honesty and

> > > openness! This can be a very scary topic, for

> the

> > > notoriously

> > > fragile male ego, but as a male of a certain age

> > > (47), having had

> > > diabetes for a decade (completely normal

> post-op),

> > > and having

> > > experienced the libido killing effects of

> Prozac,

> > I

> > > wholeheartedly

> > > endorse each of your suggestions! (Two words:

> > oral

> > > fixation -

> > > LOL!) Oh, don't pretend to be so shocked. I'm

> a

> > > lot of things, but

> > > shy isn't one of them!

> > >

> > > Like obesity, sex is a complex and fascinating

> > > topic. To use an apt

> > > analogy, it's like a buffet. No one is going to

> > > like everything on

> > > the menu, but everyone can find something to

> > > satisfy. As our food

> > > tastes may change post-op, so may our sexual

> > > appetites, with age,

> > > health, and experience/experimentation.

> > >

> > > Sex (like food) can mean many things to many

> > people.

> > > It's a primal

> > > biological drive, of course. We must perpetuate

> > the

> > > species, but at

> > > the other end of the spectrum, it's the ultimate

> > > physical expression

> > > of love between two people. In between are all

> > the

> > > recreational

> > > applications - it just feels so damned good, and

> > > (again like food)

> > > it releases pleasure chemicals in the brain, and

> > the

> > > emotional

> > > aspects. Sex creates an emotional bond between

> > > partners.

> > >

> > > Just another scenic drive along the journey!

> > >

> > > Uncle Timmy -236

> > >

> > > > Hi ,

> > > >

> > > > I mentioned that I was with my previous

> husband

> > > for decades. What

> > > I did

> > > > not mention is that he was impotent, so I

> > > basically closed the

> > > door on

> > > > my sexuality for more than a decade.

> > > >

> > > > OK, here's my personal (very!) recommendation,

> > and

> > > I truly hope it

> > > does

> > > > not offend. If it doesn't fit you and your

> > > marriage, feel free to

> > > reject

> > > > it. I understand that your husband's libido is

> > > diminished because

> > > of his

> > > > health problems. Is he comfortable with either

> > > helping you with

> > > either

> > > > hands, mouth, or toys, or holding you while

> you

> > > play with them?

> > > This may

> > > > seem awkward at first, but might be a way for

> > your

> > > libido issues

> > > to be

> > > > addressed, without straying. I highly

> recommend

> > > Good Vibrations on

> > > San

> > > > Pablo as a source of advice, toys, and erotic

> > > literature.

> > > >

> > > > Feel free to contact me for any other

> > suggestions.

> > > You do need to

> > > take

> > > > care of ALL facets of your life, including

> your

> > > sexuality. Like I

> > > said,

> > > > I hope this doesn't offend. I truly don't mean

> > it

> > > to.

> > > >

> > > > Eleanor

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Eleanor Oster

> > > > eleanor@s... (personal address)

> > > > www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm

> > > > San , CA

> > > > Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003

> > > > P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)

> > > > ~5'9 " tall

> > > > 05/09/2003 319 Orientation

> > > > 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery

> > > > Current ~150 Goal until plastics?

> > > > Goal 140-150?

> > >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

June 14, 2005

No, he's no prude. It was just the complicated nature of our relationship. He knew he always screwed up romantic relationships, and he loved me and didn't want to lose me. At the same time, he wasn't able to just act like buddies (nor was I), and he would be very sexual and possessive with me. It was just complicated. And also, he had body issues, because of his arm. Although, as you can attest to, the man was absolutely fine fine fine FINE, sexy and hot. But, having a major motorcycle accident as a young man and winding up with a paralyzed arm is pretty overwhelming...especially for a hottie like him. He just couldn't really recover, I think.

And, you know...looking at a lot of those positions, without two working arms, you can't really do them. Although, he was quite gymnastic, and would wind up in positions that seemed impossible to me (when we were doing EVERYTHING but). I don't know. I think he just feared the ultimate intimacy with me. For whatever reason.

A still very sad, sad chapter in my book. I'll always be sad when I think about him.

RobynnPamela A Marsh wrote:

Well, maybe he just did not feel comfortable. Some menjust are not into all that stuff. They like the basicstuff. Maybe will try some positions but just notinto that stuff like we like. I am the aggressor inmy marriage when it come to sexual encounters. I meanhe initiates but when it comes to getting down anddirty, I just got real freak in me and one thing aboutit, I have never been ashamed to explore the body andI love having intimate moments and having sex. Sorryguys.My husband just goes with the flow but now he wouldnot purchase any toys, etc. and bring home to use. Wehave what we have because I bought them and he isalright with that. He is just a little shy with someof the stuff but like they say, a closed mouth don'tget fed. Okay, enough rambling.Pam

Marsh--- Robynn VanPatten wrote:> I have the Kamasutra (called Palmasutra) on my Palm> Pilot in French. Illustrations and> instructions...and even a page to take notes. I> beamed it to Olivier, and then the rat never used> the positions on me!!! Can you believe the> nerve?!?!/> > Pamela A Marsh > wrote:Well, I thought I would just chime right on in> here> and say that Kamsutra has these nice little products> for couples. The one thing I really like is this> product called "The Painter's Box". I have not used> it since surgery and not so sure I can since it is> four different flavors of chocolate that you are> suppose to use to sort of paint the chocolate onto> the> body and then enjoy nibbling or licking it off. Not> sure if that would

cause dumping or not. I also> found> this cute little thingie that you can strap on (stay> with me people) and it stimulates you. I mean you> could be at work or whereever and be a pleasurized> all> day long (yeah baby!!!). They come in all sorts of> colors.> > The one thing I said I would purchase was the book> called Karmasutra (spelling). I watched the movie> so> I am sure the book has to be so much more better.> > Pam Marsh> > --- LaWanda Ezell wrote:> > > I knew we'd get around to the drugs sooner or> later!> > Lol. I suppose I do > > get some of it, but really I am very much on guard> > still and don't like, or > > really don't know how to deal with, things that> > touch me unless I'm > > expecting it. This is

probably due to my> childhood> > and the abuse I > > suffered. Also I am not totally blind, and I have> > enough vision to see > > some things. Of course I suppose someone could> > sneak their hand over with > > something soft in it, and I might not see, just> > depends where I'm > > looking. LaWanda At 11:38 PM 6/13/05, you wrote:> > >I particularly like the fur lined handcuffs and> > ankle straps...and the > > >blindfold...but only when combined with feathers,> > and soft sweet > > >things...sensuality and ectasy by> surprise...always> > nice. LaWanda, in a > > >way, you always get that to some degree, don't> you?> > That would be pretty > > >cool in a lot of ways. But, hey...NO PAIN along> > with the cuffs etc..

Nada.> > >> > >Oh jeez...I'm putting this on a public board with> > TWO known co-workers > > >lurking out there!? What has become of me? Oh> > yes...pain killer. That's > > >it. Pain killer.> > >> > >LaWanda Ezell wrote:> > >No they just have fun too! My husband and I took> > some on our honeymoon> > >just to amuse ourselves. LaWanda At 09:20 PM> > 6/13/05, you wrote:> > > >My ex and I had a great "toy box." > Unfortunatly,> > she got custody of> > > >it in the divorce and I got the cat. (LOL!) > BTW,> > "real" men are not> > > >intimidated by toys!> > > >> > > >UNcle Timmy -236> > > >> > > >> > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > Hi ,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I mentioned that I was with my previous> > husband for decades.> > > >What> > > > > >I did> > > > > > > not mention is that he was impotent, so> I> > basically closed the> > > >

> >door on> > > > > > > my sexuality for more than a decade.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > OK, here's my personal (very!)> > recommendation, and I truly> > > >hope it> > > > > >does> > > > > > > not offend. If it doesn't fit you and> your> > marriage, feel free> > > >to> > > > > >reject> > > > > > > it. I understand that your husband's> > libido is diminished> > > >because> > > > > >of his> > > > > > > health problems. Is he comfortable with> > either helping you with> > > > > >either> === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover

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No, he's no prude. It was just the complicated nature of our relationship. He knew he always screwed up romantic relationships, and he loved me and didn't want to lose me. At the same time, he wasn't able to just act like buddies (nor was I), and he would be very sexual and possessive with me. It was just complicated. And also, he had body issues, because of his arm. Although, as you can attest to, the man was absolutely fine fine fine FINE, sexy and hot. But, having a major motorcycle accident as a young man and winding up with a paralyzed arm is pretty overwhelming...especially for a hottie like him. He just couldn't really recover, I think.

And, you know...looking at a lot of those positions, without two working arms, you can't really do them. Although, he was quite gymnastic, and would wind up in positions that seemed impossible to me (when we were doing EVERYTHING but). I don't know. I think he just feared the ultimate intimacy with me. For whatever reason.

A still very sad, sad chapter in my book. I'll always be sad when I think about him.

RobynnPamela A Marsh wrote:

Well, maybe he just did not feel comfortable. Some menjust are not into all that stuff. They like the basicstuff. Maybe will try some positions but just notinto that stuff like we like. I am the aggressor inmy marriage when it come to sexual encounters. I meanhe initiates but when it comes to getting down anddirty, I just got real freak in me and one thing aboutit, I have never been ashamed to explore the body andI love having intimate moments and having sex. Sorryguys.My husband just goes with the flow but now he wouldnot purchase any toys, etc. and bring home to use. Wehave what we have because I bought them and he isalright with that. He is just a little shy with someof the stuff but like they say, a closed mouth don'tget fed. Okay, enough rambling.Pam

Marsh--- Robynn VanPatten wrote:> I have the Kamasutra (called Palmasutra) on my Palm> Pilot in French. Illustrations and> instructions...and even a page to take notes. I> beamed it to Olivier, and then the rat never used> the positions on me!!! Can you believe the> nerve?!?!/> > Pamela A Marsh > wrote:Well, I thought I would just chime right on in> here> and say that Kamsutra has these nice little products> for couples. The one thing I really like is this> product called "The Painter's Box". I have not used> it since surgery and not so sure I can since it is> four different flavors of chocolate that you are> suppose to use to sort of paint the chocolate onto> the> body and then enjoy nibbling or licking it off. Not> sure if that would

cause dumping or not. I also> found> this cute little thingie that you can strap on (stay> with me people) and it stimulates you. I mean you> could be at work or whereever and be a pleasurized> all> day long (yeah baby!!!). They come in all sorts of> colors.> > The one thing I said I would purchase was the book> called Karmasutra (spelling). I watched the movie> so> I am sure the book has to be so much more better.> > Pam Marsh> > --- LaWanda Ezell wrote:> > > I knew we'd get around to the drugs sooner or> later!> > Lol. I suppose I do > > get some of it, but really I am very much on guard> > still and don't like, or > > really don't know how to deal with, things that> > touch me unless I'm > > expecting it. This is

probably due to my> childhood> > and the abuse I > > suffered. Also I am not totally blind, and I have> > enough vision to see > > some things. Of course I suppose someone could> > sneak their hand over with > > something soft in it, and I might not see, just> > depends where I'm > > looking. LaWanda At 11:38 PM 6/13/05, you wrote:> > >I particularly like the fur lined handcuffs and> > ankle straps...and the > > >blindfold...but only when combined with feathers,> > and soft sweet > > >things...sensuality and ectasy by> surprise...always> > nice. LaWanda, in a > > >way, you always get that to some degree, don't> you?> > That would be pretty > > >cool in a lot of ways. But, hey...NO PAIN along> > with the cuffs etc..

Nada.> > >> > >Oh jeez...I'm putting this on a public board with> > TWO known co-workers > > >lurking out there!? What has become of me? Oh> > yes...pain killer. That's > > >it. Pain killer.> > >> > >LaWanda Ezell wrote:> > >No they just have fun too! My husband and I took> > some on our honeymoon> > >just to amuse ourselves. LaWanda At 09:20 PM> > 6/13/05, you wrote:> > > >My ex and I had a great "toy box." > Unfortunatly,> > she got custody of> > > >it in the divorce and I got the cat. (LOL!) > BTW,> > "real" men are not> > > >intimidated by toys!> > > >> > > >UNcle Timmy -236> > > >> > > >> > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > Hi ,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I mentioned that I was with my previous> > husband for decades.> > > >What> > > > > >I did> > > > > > > not mention is that he was impotent, so> I> > basically closed the> > > >

> >door on> > > > > > > my sexuality for more than a decade.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > OK, here's my personal (very!)> > recommendation, and I truly> > > >hope it> > > > > >does> > > > > > > not offend. If it doesn't fit you and> your> > marriage, feel free> > > >to> > > > > >reject> > > > > > > it. I understand that your husband's> > libido is diminished> > > >because> > > > > >of his> > > > > > > health problems. Is he comfortable with> > either helping you with> > > > > >either> === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover

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No, he's no prude. It was just the complicated nature of our relationship. He knew he always screwed up romantic relationships, and he loved me and didn't want to lose me. At the same time, he wasn't able to just act like buddies (nor was I), and he would be very sexual and possessive with me. It was just complicated. And also, he had body issues, because of his arm. Although, as you can attest to, the man was absolutely fine fine fine FINE, sexy and hot. But, having a major motorcycle accident as a young man and winding up with a paralyzed arm is pretty overwhelming...especially for a hottie like him. He just couldn't really recover, I think.

And, you know...looking at a lot of those positions, without two working arms, you can't really do them. Although, he was quite gymnastic, and would wind up in positions that seemed impossible to me (when we were doing EVERYTHING but). I don't know. I think he just feared the ultimate intimacy with me. For whatever reason.

A still very sad, sad chapter in my book. I'll always be sad when I think about him.

RobynnPamela A Marsh wrote:

Well, maybe he just did not feel comfortable. Some menjust are not into all that stuff. They like the basicstuff. Maybe will try some positions but just notinto that stuff like we like. I am the aggressor inmy marriage when it come to sexual encounters. I meanhe initiates but when it comes to getting down anddirty, I just got real freak in me and one thing aboutit, I have never been ashamed to explore the body andI love having intimate moments and having sex. Sorryguys.My husband just goes with the flow but now he wouldnot purchase any toys, etc. and bring home to use. Wehave what we have because I bought them and he isalright with that. He is just a little shy with someof the stuff but like they say, a closed mouth don'tget fed. Okay, enough rambling.Pam

Marsh--- Robynn VanPatten wrote:> I have the Kamasutra (called Palmasutra) on my Palm> Pilot in French. Illustrations and> instructions...and even a page to take notes. I> beamed it to Olivier, and then the rat never used> the positions on me!!! Can you believe the> nerve?!?!/> > Pamela A Marsh > wrote:Well, I thought I would just chime right on in> here> and say that Kamsutra has these nice little products> for couples. The one thing I really like is this> product called "The Painter's Box". I have not used> it since surgery and not so sure I can since it is> four different flavors of chocolate that you are> suppose to use to sort of paint the chocolate onto> the> body and then enjoy nibbling or licking it off. Not> sure if that would

cause dumping or not. I also> found> this cute little thingie that you can strap on (stay> with me people) and it stimulates you. I mean you> could be at work or whereever and be a pleasurized> all> day long (yeah baby!!!). They come in all sorts of> colors.> > The one thing I said I would purchase was the book> called Karmasutra (spelling). I watched the movie> so> I am sure the book has to be so much more better.> > Pam Marsh> > --- LaWanda Ezell wrote:> > > I knew we'd get around to the drugs sooner or> later!> > Lol. I suppose I do > > get some of it, but really I am very much on guard> > still and don't like, or > > really don't know how to deal with, things that> > touch me unless I'm > > expecting it. This is

probably due to my> childhood> > and the abuse I > > suffered. Also I am not totally blind, and I have> > enough vision to see > > some things. Of course I suppose someone could> > sneak their hand over with > > something soft in it, and I might not see, just> > depends where I'm > > looking. LaWanda At 11:38 PM 6/13/05, you wrote:> > >I particularly like the fur lined handcuffs and> > ankle straps...and the > > >blindfold...but only when combined with feathers,> > and soft sweet > > >things...sensuality and ectasy by> surprise...always> > nice. LaWanda, in a > > >way, you always get that to some degree, don't> you?> > That would be pretty > > >cool in a lot of ways. But, hey...NO PAIN along> > with the cuffs etc..

Nada.> > >> > >Oh jeez...I'm putting this on a public board with> > TWO known co-workers > > >lurking out there!? What has become of me? Oh> > yes...pain killer. That's > > >it. Pain killer.> > >> > >LaWanda Ezell wrote:> > >No they just have fun too! My husband and I took> > some on our honeymoon> > >just to amuse ourselves. LaWanda At 09:20 PM> > 6/13/05, you wrote:> > > >My ex and I had a great "toy box." > Unfortunatly,> > she got custody of> > > >it in the divorce and I got the cat. (LOL!) > BTW,> > "real" men are not> > > >intimidated by toys!> > > >> > > >UNcle Timmy -236> > > >> > > >> > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > Hi ,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I mentioned that I was with my previous> > husband for decades.> > > >What> > > > > >I did> > > > > > > not mention is that he was impotent, so> I> > basically closed the> > > >

> >door on> > > > > > > my sexuality for more than a decade.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > OK, here's my personal (very!)> > recommendation, and I truly> > > >hope it> > > > > >does> > > > > > > not offend. If it doesn't fit you and> your> > marriage, feel free> > > >to> > > > > >reject> > > > > > > it. I understand that your husband's> > libido is diminished> > > >because> > > > > >of his> > > > > > > health problems. Is he comfortable with> > either helping you with> > > > > >either> === message truncated === __________________________________ Discover

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You know I knew you had the hots for me Go on express away

I'm sure would not mind! lol

You know I'm just teasing lol,,, I say if the other person is ok

with it then express away. Maybe I'm wrong,,, oh boy someone else

answer this fast!

> > I particularly like the fur lined handcuffs and ankle

straps...and

> the blindfold...but only when combined with feathers, and soft

sweet

> things...sensuality and ectasy by surprise...always nice.

LaWanda, in

> a way, you always get that to some degree, don't you? That would

be

> pretty cool in a lot of ways. But, hey...NO PAIN along with the

cuffs

> etc.. Nada.

> >

June 14, 2005

You know I knew you had the hots for me Go on express away

I'm sure would not mind! lol

You know I'm just teasing lol,,, I say if the other person is ok

with it then express away. Maybe I'm wrong,,, oh boy someone else

answer this fast!

> > I particularly like the fur lined handcuffs and ankle

straps...and

> the blindfold...but only when combined with feathers, and soft

sweet

> things...sensuality and ectasy by surprise...always nice.

LaWanda, in

> a way, you always get that to some degree, don't you? That would

be

> pretty cool in a lot of ways. But, hey...NO PAIN along with the

cuffs

> etc.. Nada.

> >

June 14, 2005

You know I knew you had the hots for me Go on express away

I'm sure would not mind! lol

You know I'm just teasing lol,,, I say if the other person is ok

with it then express away. Maybe I'm wrong,,, oh boy someone else

answer this fast!

> > I particularly like the fur lined handcuffs and ankle

straps...and

> the blindfold...but only when combined with feathers, and soft

sweet

> things...sensuality and ectasy by surprise...always nice.

LaWanda, in

> a way, you always get that to some degree, don't you? That would

be

> pretty cool in a lot of ways. But, hey...NO PAIN along with the

cuffs

> etc.. Nada.

> >

June 14, 2005

Men can be SO clueless!

> I have the Kamasutra (called Palmasutra) on my Palm Pilot in

French. Illustrations and instructions...and even a page to take

notes. I beamed it to Olivier, and then the rat never used the

positions on me!!! Can you believe the nerve?!?!/

>

June 14, 2005

-Zactly!! Hubby is hispanic and strict catholic. So he has been

raised with a very conservative view on sex anyway...add in his

health problems and there ya go!! About a month ago I got him to

loosen up a little and he actually apologized thinking he had grossed

me out!! I told him Id been waiting for that for 24 years and wanted

more!!

huggles

-- In gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients , Pamela

A Marsh wrote:

> Well, maybe he just did not feel comfortable. Some men

> just are not into all that stuff. They like the basic

> stuff. Maybe will try some positions but just not

> into that stuff like we like. I am the aggressor in

> my marriage when it come to sexual encounters. I mean

> he initiates but when it comes to getting down and

> dirty, I just got real freak in me and one thing about

> it, I have never been ashamed to explore the body and

> I love having intimate moments and having sex. Sorry

> guys.

>

> My husband just goes with the flow but now he would

> not purchase any toys, etc. and bring home to use. We

> have what we have because I bought them and he is

> alright with that. He is just a little shy with some

> of the stuff but like they say, a closed mouth don't

> get fed. Okay, enough rambling.

>

> Pam Marsh

>

> --- Robynn VanPatten wrote:

>

> > I have the Kamasutra (called Palmasutra) on my Palm

> > Pilot in French. Illustrations and

> > instructions...and even a page to take notes. I

> > beamed it to Olivier, and then the rat never used

> > the positions on me!!! Can you believe the

> > nerve?!?!/

> >

> > Pamela A Marsh

> > wrote:Well, I thought I would just chime right on in

> > here

> > and say that Kamsutra has these nice little products

> > for couples. The one thing I really like is this

> > product called " The Painter's Box " . I have not used

> > it since surgery and not so sure I can since it is

> > four different flavors of chocolate that you are

> > suppose to use to sort of paint the chocolate onto

> > the

> > body and then enjoy nibbling or licking it off. Not

> > sure if that would cause dumping or not. I also

> > found

> > this cute little thingie that you can strap on (stay

> > with me people) and it stimulates you. I mean you

> > could be at work or whereever and be a pleasurized

> > all

> > day long (yeah baby!!!). They come in all sorts of

> > colors.

> >

> > The one thing I said I would purchase was the book

> > called Karmasutra (spelling). I watched the movie

> > so

> > I am sure the book has to be so much more better.

> >

> > Pam Marsh

> >

> > --- LaWanda Ezell wrote:

> >

> > > I knew we'd get around to the drugs sooner or

> > later!

> > > Lol. I suppose I do

> > > get some of it, but really I am very much on guard

> > > still and don't like, or

> > > really don't know how to deal with, things that

> > > touch me unless I'm

> > > expecting it. This is probably due to my

> > childhood

> > > and the abuse I

> > > suffered. Also I am not totally blind, and I have

> > > enough vision to see

> > > some things. Of course I suppose someone could

> > > sneak their hand over with

> > > something soft in it, and I might not see, just

> > > depends where I'm

> > > looking. LaWanda At 11:38 PM 6/13/05, you wrote:

> > > >I particularly like the fur lined handcuffs and

> > > ankle straps...and the

> > > >blindfold...but only when combined with feathers,

> > > and soft sweet

> > > >things...sensuality and ectasy by

> > surprise...always

> > > nice. LaWanda, in a

> > > >way, you always get that to some degree, don't

> > you?

> > > That would be pretty

> > > >cool in a lot of ways. But, hey...NO PAIN along

> > > with the cuffs etc.. Nada.

> > > >

> > > >Oh jeez...I'm putting this on a public board with

> > > TWO known co-workers

> > > >lurking out there!? What has become of me? Oh

> > > yes...pain killer. That's

> > > >it. Pain killer.

> > > >

> > > >LaWanda Ezell wrote:

> > > >No they just have fun too! My husband and I took

> > > some on our honeymoon

> > > >just to amuse ourselves. LaWanda At 09:20 PM

> > > 6/13/05, you wrote:

> > > > >My ex and I had a great " toy box. "

> > Unfortunatly,

> > > she got custody of

> > > > >it in the divorce and I got the cat. (LOL!)

> > BTW,

> > > " real " men are not

> > > > >intimidated by toys!

> > > > >

> > > > >UNcle Timmy -236

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I mentioned that I was with my previous

> > > husband for decades.

> > > > >What

> > > > > > >I did

> > > > > > > > not mention is that he was impotent, so

> > I

> > > basically closed the

> > > > > > >door on

> > > > > > > > my sexuality for more than a decade.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OK, here's my personal (very!)

> > > recommendation, and I truly

> > > > >hope it

> > > > > > >does

> > > > > > > > not offend. If it doesn't fit you and

> > your

> > > marriage, feel free

> > > > >to

> > > > > > >reject

> > > > > > > > it. I understand that your husband's

> > > libido is diminished

> > > > >because

> > > > > > >of his

> > > > > > > > health problems. Is he comfortable with

> > > either helping you with

> > > > > > >either

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

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-Zactly!! Hubby is hispanic and strict catholic. So he has been

raised with a very conservative view on sex anyway...add in his

health problems and there ya go!! About a month ago I got him to

loosen up a little and he actually apologized thinking he had grossed

me out!! I told him Id been waiting for that for 24 years and wanted

more!!

huggles

-- In gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients , Pamela

A Marsh wrote:

> Well, maybe he just did not feel comfortable. Some men

> just are not into all that stuff. They like the basic

> stuff. Maybe will try some positions but just not

> into that stuff like we like. I am the aggressor in

> my marriage when it come to sexual encounters. I mean

> he initiates but when it comes to getting down and

> dirty, I just got real freak in me and one thing about

> it, I have never been ashamed to explore the body and

> I love having intimate moments and having sex. Sorry

> guys.

>

> My husband just goes with the flow but now he would

> not purchase any toys, etc. and bring home to use. We

> have what we have because I bought them and he is

> alright with that. He is just a little shy with some

> of the stuff but like they say, a closed mouth don't

> get fed. Okay, enough rambling.

>

> Pam Marsh

>

> --- Robynn VanPatten wrote:

>

> > I have the Kamasutra (called Palmasutra) on my Palm

> > Pilot in French. Illustrations and

> > instructions...and even a page to take notes. I

> > beamed it to Olivier, and then the rat never used

> > the positions on me!!! Can you believe the

> > nerve?!?!/

> >

> > Pamela A Marsh

> > wrote:Well, I thought I would just chime right on in

> > here

> > and say that Kamsutra has these nice little products

> > for couples. The one thing I really like is this

> > product called " The Painter's Box " . I have not used

> > it since surgery and not so sure I can since it is

> > four different flavors of chocolate that you are

> > suppose to use to sort of paint the chocolate onto

> > the

> > body and then enjoy nibbling or licking it off. Not

> > sure if that would cause dumping or not. I also

> > found

> > this cute little thingie that you can strap on (stay

> > with me people) and it stimulates you. I mean you

> > could be at work or whereever and be a pleasurized

> > all

> > day long (yeah baby!!!). They come in all sorts of

> > colors.

> >

> > The one thing I said I would purchase was the book

> > called Karmasutra (spelling). I watched the movie

> > so

> > I am sure the book has to be so much more better.

> >

> > Pam Marsh

> >

> > --- LaWanda Ezell wrote:

> >

> > > I knew we'd get around to the drugs sooner or

> > later!

> > > Lol. I suppose I do

> > > get some of it, but really I am very much on guard

> > > still and don't like, or

> > > really don't know how to deal with, things that

> > > touch me unless I'm

> > > expecting it. This is probably due to my

> > childhood

> > > and the abuse I

> > > suffered. Also I am not totally blind, and I have

> > > enough vision to see

> > > some things. Of course I suppose someone could

> > > sneak their hand over with

> > > something soft in it, and I might not see, just

> > > depends where I'm

> > > looking. LaWanda At 11:38 PM 6/13/05, you wrote:

> > > >I particularly like the fur lined handcuffs and

> > > ankle straps...and the

> > > >blindfold...but only when combined with feathers,

> > > and soft sweet

> > > >things...sensuality and ectasy by

> > surprise...always

> > > nice. LaWanda, in a

> > > >way, you always get that to some degree, don't

> > you?

> > > That would be pretty

> > > >cool in a lot of ways. But, hey...NO PAIN along

> > > with the cuffs etc.. Nada.

> > > >

> > > >Oh jeez...I'm putting this on a public board with

> > > TWO known co-workers

> > > >lurking out there!? What has become of me? Oh

> > > yes...pain killer. That's

> > > >it. Pain killer.

> > > >

> > > >LaWanda Ezell wrote:

> > > >No they just have fun too! My husband and I took

> > > some on our honeymoon

> > > >just to amuse ourselves. LaWanda At 09:20 PM

> > > 6/13/05, you wrote:

> > > > >My ex and I had a great " toy box. "

> > Unfortunatly,

> > > she got custody of

> > > > >it in the divorce and I got the cat. (LOL!)

> > BTW,

> > > " real " men are not

> > > > >intimidated by toys!

> > > > >

> > > > >UNcle Timmy -236

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I mentioned that I was with my previous

> > > husband for decades.

> > > > >What

> > > > > > >I did

> > > > > > > > not mention is that he was impotent, so

> > I

> > > basically closed the

> > > > > > >door on

> > > > > > > > my sexuality for more than a decade.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OK, here's my personal (very!)

> > > recommendation, and I truly

> > > > >hope it

> > > > > > >does

> > > > > > > > not offend. If it doesn't fit you and

> > your

> > > marriage, feel free

> > > > >to

> > > > > > >reject

> > > > > > > > it. I understand that your husband's

> > > libido is diminished

> > > > >because

> > > > > > >of his

> > > > > > > > health problems. Is he comfortable with

> > > either helping you with

> > > > > > >either

> >

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-Zactly!! Hubby is hispanic and strict catholic. So he has been

raised with a very conservative view on sex anyway...add in his

health problems and there ya go!! About a month ago I got him to

loosen up a little and he actually apologized thinking he had grossed

me out!! I told him Id been waiting for that for 24 years and wanted

more!!

huggles

-- In gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients , Pamela

A Marsh wrote:

> Well, maybe he just did not feel comfortable. Some men

> just are not into all that stuff. They like the basic

> stuff. Maybe will try some positions but just not

> into that stuff like we like. I am the aggressor in

> my marriage when it come to sexual encounters. I mean

> he initiates but when it comes to getting down and

> dirty, I just got real freak in me and one thing about

> it, I have never been ashamed to explore the body and

> I love having intimate moments and having sex. Sorry

> guys.

>

> My husband just goes with the flow but now he would

> not purchase any toys, etc. and bring home to use. We

> have what we have because I bought them and he is

> alright with that. He is just a little shy with some

> of the stuff but like they say, a closed mouth don't

> get fed. Okay, enough rambling.

>

> Pam Marsh

>

> --- Robynn VanPatten wrote:

>

> > I have the Kamasutra (called Palmasutra) on my Palm

> > Pilot in French. Illustrations and

> > instructions...and even a page to take notes. I

> > beamed it to Olivier, and then the rat never used

> > the positions on me!!! Can you believe the

> > nerve?!?!/

> >

> > Pamela A Marsh

> > wrote:Well, I thought I would just chime right on in

> > here

> > and say that Kamsutra has these nice little products

> > for couples. The one thing I really like is this

> > product called " The Painter's Box " . I have not used

> > it since surgery and not so sure I can since it is

> > four different flavors of chocolate that you are

> > suppose to use to sort of paint the chocolate onto

> > the

> > body and then enjoy nibbling or licking it off. Not

> > sure if that would cause dumping or not. I also

> > found

> > this cute little thingie that you can strap on (stay

> > with me people) and it stimulates you. I mean you

> > could be at work or whereever and be a pleasurized

> > all

> > day long (yeah baby!!!). They come in all sorts of

> > colors.

> >

> > The one thing I said I would purchase was the book

> > called Karmasutra (spelling). I watched the movie

> > so

> > I am sure the book has to be so much more better.

> >

> > Pam Marsh

> >

> > --- LaWanda Ezell wrote:

> >

> > > I knew we'd get around to the drugs sooner or

> > later!

> > > Lol. I suppose I do

> > > get some of it, but really I am very much on guard

> > > still and don't like, or

> > > really don't know how to deal with, things that

> > > touch me unless I'm

> > > expecting it. This is probably due to my

> > childhood

> > > and the abuse I

> > > suffered. Also I am not totally blind, and I have

> > > enough vision to see

> > > some things. Of course I suppose someone could

> > > sneak their hand over with

> > > something soft in it, and I might not see, just

> > > depends where I'm

> > > looking. LaWanda At 11:38 PM 6/13/05, you wrote:

> > > >I particularly like the fur lined handcuffs and

> > > ankle straps...and the

> > > >blindfold...but only when combined with feathers,

> > > and soft sweet

> > > >things...sensuality and ectasy by

> > surprise...always

> > > nice. LaWanda, in a

> > > >way, you always get that to some degree, don't

> > you?

> > > That would be pretty

> > > >cool in a lot of ways. But, hey...NO PAIN along

> > > with the cuffs etc.. Nada.

> > > >

> > > >Oh jeez...I'm putting this on a public board with

> > > TWO known co-workers

> > > >lurking out there!? What has become of me? Oh

> > > yes...pain killer. That's

> > > >it. Pain killer.

> > > >

> > > >LaWanda Ezell wrote:

> > > >No they just have fun too! My husband and I took

> > > some on our honeymoon

> > > >just to amuse ourselves. LaWanda At 09:20 PM

> > > 6/13/05, you wrote:

> > > > >My ex and I had a great " toy box. "

> > Unfortunatly,

> > > she got custody of

> > > > >it in the divorce and I got the cat. (LOL!)

> > BTW,

> > > " real " men are not

> > > > >intimidated by toys!

> > > > >

> > > > >UNcle Timmy -236

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hi ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I mentioned that I was with my previous

> > > husband for decades.

> > > > >What

> > > > > > >I did

> > > > > > > > not mention is that he was impotent, so

> > I

> > > basically closed the

> > > > > > >door on

> > > > > > > > my sexuality for more than a decade.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > OK, here's my personal (very!)

> > > recommendation, and I truly

> > > > >hope it

> > > > > > >does

> > > > > > > > not offend. If it doesn't fit you and

> > your

> > > marriage, feel free

> > > > >to

> > > > > > >reject

> > > > > > > > it. I understand that your husband's

> > > libido is diminished

> > > > >because

> > > > > > >of his

> > > > > > > > health problems. Is he comfortable with

> > > either helping you with

> > > > > > >either

> >

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Shell, I said express, acknowledge...Honesty is the

best policy right. And you don't have to do it out in

the open (although that would be nice to becasue I am

nosey-lol), you could send it private.

Just in case it is me, you can email me at

sweetnlow20012001@... - just joking.

Pam Marsh

--- Shell shells793@...> wrote:

>

> You know I knew you had the hots for me Go

> on express away

> I'm sure would not mind! lol

>

> You know I'm just teasing lol,,, I say if the other

> person is ok

> with it then express away. Maybe I'm wrong,,, oh boy

> someone else

> answer this fast!

>

> > > I particularly like the fur lined handcuffs and

> ankle

> straps...and

> > the blindfold...but only when combined with

> feathers, and soft

> sweet

> > things...sensuality and ectasy by

> surprise...always nice.

> LaWanda, in

> > a way, you always get that to some degree, don't

> you? That would

> be

> > pretty cool in a lot of ways. But, hey...NO PAIN

> along with the

> cuffs

> > etc.. Nada.

> > >

>

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Guess I can't go then... : (

> OK I will behave like I totally know what Im doing!!! NO BLUSHING

> allowed either!!!

>

> Huggles

>

June 14, 2005

Well you go girl!

Pam Marsh

--- Diane Duenas brendadiane64@...>

wrote:

> -Zactly!! Hubby is hispanic and strict catholic. So

> he has been

> raised with a very conservative view on sex

> anyway...add in his

> health problems and there ya go!! About a month ago

> I got him to

> loosen up a little and he actually apologized

> thinking he had grossed

> me out!! I told him Id been waiting for that for 24

> years and wanted

> more!!

>

> huggles

>

> -- In

>

gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients ,

> Pamela

> A Marsh wrote:

> > Well, maybe he just did not feel comfortable. Some

> men

> > just are not into all that stuff. They like the

> basic

> > stuff. Maybe will try some positions but just not

> > into that stuff like we like. I am the aggressor

> in

> > my marriage when it come to sexual encounters. I

> mean

> > he initiates but when it comes to getting down and

> > dirty, I just got real freak in me and one thing

> about

> > it, I have never been ashamed to explore the body

> and

> > I love having intimate moments and having sex.

> Sorry

> > guys.

> >

> > My husband just goes with the flow but now he

> would

> > not purchase any toys, etc. and bring home to use.

> We

> > have what we have because I bought them and he is

> > alright with that. He is just a little shy with

> some

> > of the stuff but like they say, a closed mouth

> don't

> > get fed. Okay, enough rambling.

> >

> > Pam Marsh

> >

> > --- Robynn VanPatten wrote:

> >

> > > I have the Kamasutra (called Palmasutra) on my

> Palm

> > > Pilot in French. Illustrations and

> > > instructions...and even a page to take notes. I

> > > beamed it to Olivier, and then the rat never

> used

> > > the positions on me!!! Can you believe the

> > > nerve?!?!/

> > >

> > > Pamela A Marsh

> > > wrote:Well, I thought I would just chime right

> on in

> > > here

> > > and say that Kamsutra has these nice little

> products

> > > for couples. The one thing I really like is

> this

> > > product called " The Painter's Box " . I have not

> used

> > > it since surgery and not so sure I can since it

> is

> > > four different flavors of chocolate that you are

> > > suppose to use to sort of paint the chocolate

> onto

> > > the

> > > body and then enjoy nibbling or licking it off.

> Not

> > > sure if that would cause dumping or not. I also

> > > found

> > > this cute little thingie that you can strap on

> (stay

> > > with me people) and it stimulates you. I mean

> you

> > > could be at work or whereever and be a

> pleasurized

> > > all

> > > day long (yeah baby!!!). They come in all sorts

> of

> > > colors.

> > >

> > > The one thing I said I would purchase was the

> book

> > > called Karmasutra (spelling). I watched the

> movie

> > > so

> > > I am sure the book has to be so much more

> better.

> > >

> > > Pam Marsh

> > >

> > > --- LaWanda Ezell wrote:

> > >

> > > > I knew we'd get around to the drugs sooner or

> > > later!

> > > > Lol. I suppose I do

> > > > get some of it, but really I am very much on

> guard

> > > > still and don't like, or

> > > > really don't know how to deal with, things

> that

> > > > touch me unless I'm

> > > > expecting it. This is probably due to my

> > > childhood

> > > > and the abuse I

> > > > suffered. Also I am not totally blind, and I

> have

> > > > enough vision to see

> > > > some things. Of course I suppose someone

> could

> > > > sneak their hand over with

> > > > something soft in it, and I might not see,

> just

> > > > depends where I'm

> > > > looking. LaWanda At 11:38 PM 6/13/05, you

> wrote:

> > > > >I particularly like the fur lined handcuffs

> and

> > > > ankle straps...and the

> > > > >blindfold...but only when combined with

> feathers,

> > > > and soft sweet

> > > > >things...sensuality and ectasy by

> > > surprise...always

> > > > nice. LaWanda, in a

> > > > >way, you always get that to some degree,

> don't

> > > you?

> > > > That would be pretty

> > > > >cool in a lot of ways. But, hey...NO PAIN

> along

> > > > with the cuffs etc.. Nada.

> > > > >

> > > > >Oh jeez...I'm putting this on a public board

> with

> > > > TWO known co-workers

> > > > >lurking out there!? What has become of me?

> Oh

> > > > yes...pain killer. That's

> > > > >it. Pain killer.

> > > > >

> > > > >LaWanda Ezell wrote:

> > > > >No they just have fun too! My husband and I

> took

> > > > some on our honeymoon

> > > > >just to amuse ourselves. LaWanda At 09:20

> PM

> > > > 6/13/05, you wrote:

> > > > > >My ex and I had a great " toy box. "

> > > Unfortunatly,

> > > > she got custody of

> > > > > >it in the divorce and I got the cat. (LOL!)

>

> > > BTW,

> > > > " real " men are not

> > > > > >intimidated by toys!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >UNcle Timmy -236

> > > > > >

>

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Well you go girl!

Pam Marsh

--- Diane Duenas brendadiane64@...>

wrote:

> -Zactly!! Hubby is hispanic and strict catholic. So

> he has been

> raised with a very conservative view on sex

> anyway...add in his

> health problems and there ya go!! About a month ago

> I got him to

> loosen up a little and he actually apologized

> thinking he had grossed

> me out!! I told him Id been waiting for that for 24

> years and wanted

> more!!

>

> huggles

>

> -- In

>

gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients ,

> Pamela

> A Marsh wrote:

> > Well, maybe he just did not feel comfortable. Some

> men

> > just are not into all that stuff. They like the

> basic

> > stuff. Maybe will try some positions but just not

> > into that stuff like we like. I am the aggressor

> in

> > my marriage when it come to sexual encounters. I

> mean

> > he initiates but when it comes to getting down and

> > dirty, I just got real freak in me and one thing

> about

> > it, I have never been ashamed to explore the body

> and

> > I love having intimate moments and having sex.

> Sorry

> > guys.

> >

> > My husband just goes with the flow but now he

> would

> > not purchase any toys, etc. and bring home to use.

> We

> > have what we have because I bought them and he is

> > alright with that. He is just a little shy with

> some

> > of the stuff but like they say, a closed mouth

> don't

> > get fed. Okay, enough rambling.

> >

> > Pam Marsh

> >

> > --- Robynn VanPatten wrote:

> >

> > > I have the Kamasutra (called Palmasutra) on my

> Palm

> > > Pilot in French. Illustrations and

> > > instructions...and even a page to take notes. I

> > > beamed it to Olivier, and then the rat never

> used

> > > the positions on me!!! Can you believe the

> > > nerve?!?!/

> > >

> > > Pamela A Marsh

> > > wrote:Well, I thought I would just chime right

> on in

> > > here

> > > and say that Kamsutra has these nice little

> products

> > > for couples. The one thing I really like is

> this

> > > product called " The Painter's Box " . I have not

> used

> > > it since surgery and not so sure I can since it

> is

> > > four different flavors of chocolate that you are

> > > suppose to use to sort of paint the chocolate

> onto

> > > the

> > > body and then enjoy nibbling or licking it off.

> Not

> > > sure if that would cause dumping or not. I also

> > > found

> > > this cute little thingie that you can strap on

> (stay

> > > with me people) and it stimulates you. I mean

> you

> > > could be at work or whereever and be a

> pleasurized

> > > all

> > > day long (yeah baby!!!). They come in all sorts

> of

> > > colors.

> > >

> > > The one thing I said I would purchase was the

> book

> > > called Karmasutra (spelling). I watched the

> movie

> > > so

> > > I am sure the book has to be so much more

> better.

> > >

> > > Pam Marsh

> > >

> > > --- LaWanda Ezell wrote:

> > >

> > > > I knew we'd get around to the drugs sooner or

> > > later!

> > > > Lol. I suppose I do

> > > > get some of it, but really I am very much on

> guard

> > > > still and don't like, or

> > > > really don't know how to deal with, things

> that

> > > > touch me unless I'm

> > > > expecting it. This is probably due to my

> > > childhood

> > > > and the abuse I

> > > > suffered. Also I am not totally blind, and I

> have

> > > > enough vision to see

> > > > some things. Of course I suppose someone

> could

> > > > sneak their hand over with

> > > > something soft in it, and I might not see,

> just

> > > > depends where I'm

> > > > looking. LaWanda At 11:38 PM 6/13/05, you

> wrote:

> > > > >I particularly like the fur lined handcuffs

> and

> > > > ankle straps...and the

> > > > >blindfold...but only when combined with

> feathers,

> > > > and soft sweet

> > > > >things...sensuality and ectasy by

> > > surprise...always

> > > > nice. LaWanda, in a

> > > > >way, you always get that to some degree,

> don't

> > > you?

> > > > That would be pretty

> > > > >cool in a lot of ways. But, hey...NO PAIN

> along

> > > > with the cuffs etc.. Nada.

> > > > >

> > > > >Oh jeez...I'm putting this on a public board

> with

> > > > TWO known co-workers

> > > > >lurking out there!? What has become of me?

> Oh

> > > > yes...pain killer. That's

> > > > >it. Pain killer.

> > > > >

> > > > >LaWanda Ezell wrote:

> > > > >No they just have fun too! My husband and I

> took

> > > > some on our honeymoon

> > > > >just to amuse ourselves. LaWanda At 09:20

> PM

> > > > 6/13/05, you wrote:

> > > > > >My ex and I had a great " toy box. "

> > > Unfortunatly,

> > > > she got custody of

> > > > > >it in the divorce and I got the cat. (LOL!)

>

> > > BTW,

> > > > " real " men are not

> > > > > >intimidated by toys!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >UNcle Timmy -236

> > > > > >

>

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Well you go girl!

Pam Marsh

--- Diane Duenas brendadiane64@...>

wrote:

> -Zactly!! Hubby is hispanic and strict catholic. So

> he has been

> raised with a very conservative view on sex

> anyway...add in his

> health problems and there ya go!! About a month ago

> I got him to

> loosen up a little and he actually apologized

> thinking he had grossed

> me out!! I told him Id been waiting for that for 24

> years and wanted

> more!!

>

> huggles

>

> -- In

>

gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients ,

> Pamela

> A Marsh wrote:

> > Well, maybe he just did not feel comfortable. Some

> men

> > just are not into all that stuff. They like the

> basic

> > stuff. Maybe will try some positions but just not

> > into that stuff like we like. I am the aggressor

> in

> > my marriage when it come to sexual encounters. I

> mean

> > he initiates but when it comes to getting down and

> > dirty, I just got real freak in me and one thing

> about

> > it, I have never been ashamed to explore the body

> and

> > I love having intimate moments and having sex.

> Sorry

> > guys.

> >

> > My husband just goes with the flow but now he

> would

> > not purchase any toys, etc. and bring home to use.

> We

> > have what we have because I bought them and he is

> > alright with that. He is just a little shy with

> some

> > of the stuff but like they say, a closed mouth

> don't

> > get fed. Okay, enough rambling.

> >

> > Pam Marsh

> >

> > --- Robynn VanPatten wrote:

> >

> > > I have the Kamasutra (called Palmasutra) on my

> Palm

> > > Pilot in French. Illustrations and

> > > instructions...and even a page to take notes. I

> > > beamed it to Olivier, and then the rat never

> used

> > > the positions on me!!! Can you believe the

> > > nerve?!?!/

> > >

> > > Pamela A Marsh

> > > wrote:Well, I thought I would just chime right

> on in

> > > here

> > > and say that Kamsutra has these nice little

> products

> > > for couples. The one thing I really like is

> this

> > > product called " The Painter's Box " . I have not

> used

> > > it since surgery and not so sure I can since it

> is

> > > four different flavors of chocolate that you are

> > > suppose to use to sort of paint the chocolate

> onto

> > > the

> > > body and then enjoy nibbling or licking it off.

> Not

> > > sure if that would cause dumping or not. I also

> > > found

> > > this cute little thingie that you can strap on

> (stay

> > > with me people) and it stimulates you. I mean

> you

> > > could be at work or whereever and be a

> pleasurized

> > > all

> > > day long (yeah baby!!!). They come in all sorts

> of

> > > colors.

> > >

> > > The one thing I said I would purchase was the

> book

> > > called Karmasutra (spelling). I watched the

> movie

> > > so

> > > I am sure the book has to be so much more

> better.

> > >

> > > Pam Marsh

> > >

> > > --- LaWanda Ezell wrote:

> > >

> > > > I knew we'd get around to the drugs sooner or

> > > later!

> > > > Lol. I suppose I do

> > > > get some of it, but really I am very much on

> guard

> > > > still and don't like, or

> > > > really don't know how to deal with, things

> that

> > > > touch me unless I'm

> > > > expecting it. This is probably due to my

> > > childhood

> > > > and the abuse I

> > > > suffered. Also I am not totally blind, and I

> have

> > > > enough vision to see

> > > > some things. Of course I suppose someone

> could

> > > > sneak their hand over with

> > > > something soft in it, and I might not see,

> just

> > > > depends where I'm

> > > > looking. LaWanda At 11:38 PM 6/13/05, you

> wrote:

> > > > >I particularly like the fur lined handcuffs

> and

> > > > ankle straps...and the

> > > > >blindfold...but only when combined with

> feathers,

> > > > and soft sweet

> > > > >things...sensuality and ectasy by

> > > surprise...always

> > > > nice. LaWanda, in a

> > > > >way, you always get that to some degree,

> don't

> > > you?

> > > > That would be pretty

> > > > >cool in a lot of ways. But, hey...NO PAIN

> along

> > > > with the cuffs etc.. Nada.

> > > > >

> > > > >Oh jeez...I'm putting this on a public board

> with

> > > > TWO known co-workers

> > > > >lurking out there!? What has become of me?

> Oh

> > > > yes...pain killer. That's

> > > > >it. Pain killer.

> > > > >

> > > > >LaWanda Ezell wrote:

> > > > >No they just have fun too! My husband and I

> took

> > > > some on our honeymoon

> > > > >just to amuse ourselves. LaWanda At 09:20

> PM

> > > > 6/13/05, you wrote:

> > > > > >My ex and I had a great " toy box. "

> > > Unfortunatly,

> > > > she got custody of

> > > > > >it in the divorce and I got the cat. (LOL!)

>

> > > BTW,

> > > > " real " men are not

> > > > > >intimidated by toys!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >UNcle Timmy -236

> > > > > >

>

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June 14, 2005

My momma, who is a major Bible thumper, always said, "Everything is sacred in the marriage bed. No matter how down and dirty you get!" She also said, "Be a madonna in public, but a slut in the bedroom. That's every man's dream". Whatever. It works for me. She was always a femme fatale, and so are all of the women in my family. Shoot, no kidding, my grandfather had Viagra on his nightstand, with two of them missing, right before he died at age 96! No wonder my grandma was so happy!!Pamela A Marsh wrote:

When I first went into a store like that, I was soembarassed but then I said I don't care because itsnot like I am cheating or anything. I think I wasworried about someone from my church seeing me go inor come out and then I said I don't care. I willcheck out the site....but later because I am atwork-lol.Talk with you later. I think Robynn said she wasgoing to take me when she comes back to work. Maybe Ishould go on Thursday (thinking about taking off earlybecause I fly out to North Carolina on Thursday night)and pick up something for Father's Day. I need tofind a place were you can buy costumes and stuff. Ilooked at Frederick's of Hollywood but I wantsomething local...like Fairfield, Vacaville, Oakland,Richmond area. Any thoughts.Thanks.Pam Marsh - Striving

for Excellence and not Perfection--- Eleanor Oster wrote:> There are three locations of Good Vibrations. There> are two in San > Francisco and one in Berkeley. The Berkeley one> (which is the only one > I've been to) is on San Pablo near Dwight. Very> helpful, non-judgmental > staff. They do also have a website at> www.goodvibes.com.> > Pamela A Marsh wrote:> > > Eleanor, thanks for the advice. Although I don't> have any issues in> > the bedroom, I would like to hear more about that> store "good> > vibrations" or whatever the name is because I am> always up for doing> > new things or adding just a little more spice to> things.> > -- > > Eleanor Oster> eleanor@... (personal address)> www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm>

San , CA> Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003> P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)> ~5'9" tall> 05/09/2003 319 Orientation> 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery> Current ~150 Goal until plastics?> Goal 140-150?> > __________________________________________________

June 14, 2005

My momma, who is a major Bible thumper, always said, "Everything is sacred in the marriage bed. No matter how down and dirty you get!" She also said, "Be a madonna in public, but a slut in the bedroom. That's every man's dream". Whatever. It works for me. She was always a femme fatale, and so are all of the women in my family. Shoot, no kidding, my grandfather had Viagra on his nightstand, with two of them missing, right before he died at age 96! No wonder my grandma was so happy!!Pamela A Marsh wrote:

When I first went into a store like that, I was soembarassed but then I said I don't care because itsnot like I am cheating or anything. I think I wasworried about someone from my church seeing me go inor come out and then I said I don't care. I willcheck out the site....but later because I am atwork-lol.Talk with you later. I think Robynn said she wasgoing to take me when she comes back to work. Maybe Ishould go on Thursday (thinking about taking off earlybecause I fly out to North Carolina on Thursday night)and pick up something for Father's Day. I need tofind a place were you can buy costumes and stuff. Ilooked at Frederick's of Hollywood but I wantsomething local...like Fairfield, Vacaville, Oakland,Richmond area. Any thoughts.Thanks.Pam Marsh - Striving

for Excellence and not Perfection--- Eleanor Oster wrote:> There are three locations of Good Vibrations. There> are two in San > Francisco and one in Berkeley. The Berkeley one> (which is the only one > I've been to) is on San Pablo near Dwight. Very> helpful, non-judgmental > staff. They do also have a website at> www.goodvibes.com.> > Pamela A Marsh wrote:> > > Eleanor, thanks for the advice. Although I don't> have any issues in> > the bedroom, I would like to hear more about that> store "good> > vibrations" or whatever the name is because I am> always up for doing> > new things or adding just a little more spice to> things.> > -- > > Eleanor Oster> eleanor@... (personal address)> www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm>

San , CA> Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003> P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)> ~5'9" tall> 05/09/2003 319 Orientation> 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery> Current ~150 Goal until plastics?> Goal 140-150?> > __________________________________________________

June 14, 2005

My momma, who is a major Bible thumper, always said, "Everything is sacred in the marriage bed. No matter how down and dirty you get!" She also said, "Be a madonna in public, but a slut in the bedroom. That's every man's dream". Whatever. It works for me. She was always a femme fatale, and so are all of the women in my family. Shoot, no kidding, my grandfather had Viagra on his nightstand, with two of them missing, right before he died at age 96! No wonder my grandma was so happy!!Pamela A Marsh wrote:

When I first went into a store like that, I was soembarassed but then I said I don't care because itsnot like I am cheating or anything. I think I wasworried about someone from my church seeing me go inor come out and then I said I don't care. I willcheck out the site....but later because I am atwork-lol.Talk with you later. I think Robynn said she wasgoing to take me when she comes back to work. Maybe Ishould go on Thursday (thinking about taking off earlybecause I fly out to North Carolina on Thursday night)and pick up something for Father's Day. I need tofind a place were you can buy costumes and stuff. Ilooked at Frederick's of Hollywood but I wantsomething local...like Fairfield, Vacaville, Oakland,Richmond area. Any thoughts.Thanks.Pam Marsh - Striving

for Excellence and not Perfection--- Eleanor Oster wrote:> There are three locations of Good Vibrations. There> are two in San > Francisco and one in Berkeley. The Berkeley one> (which is the only one > I've been to) is on San Pablo near Dwight. Very> helpful, non-judgmental > staff. They do also have a website at> www.goodvibes.com.> > Pamela A Marsh wrote:> > > Eleanor, thanks for the advice. Although I don't> have any issues in> > the bedroom, I would like to hear more about that> store "good> > vibrations" or whatever the name is because I am> always up for doing> > new things or adding just a little more spice to> things.> > -- > > Eleanor Oster> eleanor@... (personal address)> www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm>

San , CA> Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003> P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)> ~5'9" tall> 05/09/2003 319 Orientation> 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery> Current ~150 Goal until plastics?> Goal 140-150?> > __________________________________________________

June 14, 2005

For sure. I mean, if that isn't a hint, what is? wrote:

Men can be SO clueless!> I have the Kamasutra (called Palmasutra) on my Palm Pilot in French. Illustrations and instructions...and even a page to take notes. I beamed it to Olivier, and then the rat never used the positions on me!!! Can you believe the nerve?!?!/>

June 14, 2005

For sure. I mean, if that isn't a hint, what is? wrote:

Men can be SO clueless!> I have the Kamasutra (called Palmasutra) on my Palm Pilot in French. Illustrations and instructions...and even a page to take notes. I beamed it to Olivier, and then the rat never used the positions on me!!! Can you believe the nerve?!?!/>

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