(unknown)

[Guest guest]

OOOOh...a PICNIC... Yes Pleeeeeeese...I'd better skate thorugh the Posts so's I know where to get the Flying Kanga to land!

Now where'd I leave my Passport.... the cyberspace evrsion of course... the one that allows the kanga free air space & NO Security/Customs Officials...anyone want anything 'special' in their choccy egg soft centres?????

Just off to get My jolly hat........ ah well Bunny EARS will ahve to suffice...now I'd better get down to the Cyberspace Airfield double quick....

gee That WAS quick...

NOW...where the Blinkin' Heck are YA!

SGIO

PS I've got the Easter Seafood on board.....Wooli Oysters....Byron Bay Reef Coral Trout.....Moreton Bay Bugs......Lemon Myrtle Sauce....Lillipilli Jam for the Easter Pancakes......Hunter River Dry crisp White Wine......oh & the secret inner ingredient Choccy Eggs! Should be a 'transporting' experience all in all!

>> OK Jack....Let's do an EASTER picnic! Easy to remember.... I'm ready.......> come join us everyone. Whatcha bringin'?> > MamaSher; 70, IPF 3-06, OR. > Nasturtiums> Don't fret about tomorrow, God is already there!> > (unknown)> > > > Hi==it's Fay. I taught at Bowdin College for two summers and my husband Bill joined for a three week visit all over Maine including Acadia Park Wonderful. We will join you on your wonderful picnic. WE'll bring the brie and the cold chardonay.>

[Guest guest]

don't like liver or tongue, except for what's inside my body

Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania

Donate Life Listed 1/09

www.transplantfund.org---

Subject: Re: (unknown)To: Breathe-Support Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 11:59 AM

SherI like having a liver and having a tongue but that's as far as I'llstretch it.> > You aare welcome. All members of this group are> welcome. It's fantasy time! Let's set a time and date> > that we can all meet and have our picnic in our> individual fantasy lands, free of disease and free tocelebrate> ourselves.> >> > Jack> > 79/IPF - UIP/dx06/05 Maine>

>> >> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------------------ -> > From: Metcalf faybil1 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>> > To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 6:23:35 PM> > Subject: (unknown)> >> >> >> > Hi==it's Fay. I taught at Bowdin College for two> summers and my husband Bill joined for a three week visitall over Maine> including Acadia Park Wonderful. We will join you on yourwonderful> picnic. WE'll bring the brie and the cold chardonay.> >>

[Guest guest]

don't like liver or tongue, except for what's inside my body

Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania

Donate Life Listed 1/09

www.transplantfund.org---

Subject: Re: (unknown)To: Breathe-Support Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 11:59 AM

SherI like having a liver and having a tongue but that's as far as I'llstretch it.> > You aare welcome. All members of this group are> welcome. It's fantasy time! Let's set a time and date> > that we can all meet and have our picnic in our> individual fantasy lands, free of disease and free tocelebrate> ourselves.> >> > Jack> > 79/IPF - UIP/dx06/05 Maine>

>> >> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------------------ -> > From: Metcalf faybil1 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>> > To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 6:23:35 PM> > Subject: (unknown)> >> >> >> > Hi==it's Fay. I taught at Bowdin College for two> summers and my husband Bill joined for a three week visitall over Maine> including Acadia Park Wonderful. We will join you on yourwonderful> picnic. WE'll bring the brie and the cold chardonay.> >>

[Guest guest]

I'm with you Bruce, Chateaubriand, medium rare with a great red wine

and Gran Marnier with dessert!

Dyane Phoenix IPF 02

> > > You aare welcome. All members of this group are

> > welcome. It's fantasy time! Let's set a time and date

> > > that we can all meet and have our picnic in our

> > individual fantasy lands, free of disease and free to celebrate

> > ourselves.

> > >

> > > Jack

> > > 79/IPF - UIP/dx06/05 Maine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > From: Metcalf faybil1 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>

> > > To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

> > > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 6:23:35 PM

> > > Subject: (unknown)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi==it's Fay. I taught at Bowdin College for two

> > summers and my husband Bill joined for a three week visit all over

> Maine

> > including Acadia Park Wonderful. We will join you on your wonderful

> > picnic. WE'll bring the brie and the cold chardonay.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm with you Bruce, Chateaubriand, medium rare with a great red wine

and Gran Marnier with dessert!

Dyane Phoenix IPF 02

> > > You aare welcome. All members of this group are

> > welcome. It's fantasy time! Let's set a time and date

> > > that we can all meet and have our picnic in our

> > individual fantasy lands, free of disease and free to celebrate

> > ourselves.

> > >

> > > Jack

> > > 79/IPF - UIP/dx06/05 Maine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > From: Metcalf faybil1 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>

> > > To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. com

> > > Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 6:23:35 PM

> > > Subject: (unknown)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi==it's Fay. I taught at Bowdin College for two

> > summers and my husband Bill joined for a three week visit all over

> Maine

> > including Acadia Park Wonderful. We will join you on your wonderful

> > picnic. WE'll bring the brie and the cold chardonay.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ann-

Welcome to the group. My name is Joyce Rudy and I don't live that far from you. I live in Prescott Arizona! May I ask what your hypersensitivity pneumonitis is from? I also have that but it is from birds. I have been in St. and how do you get mold there? I don't think a mold would survive more then a second here and I would think that would be the same in St. .

I am a 65 year old with 5 dogs and used to have 7 birds. My husband died in 1993 when we were livin gin N. California so I emmigrated to arizona. I have been a westener all my life. Originally from San Diego and now in ARIZONA. Left California because things were just too hight there. Love Prescott!

Joyce Rudy AZ

(unknown)

Hello,

I'm new, 67, and have been diagnosed (open lung biopsy) since 2004 with advanced IPF and hypersensitivity pneumonitis. I do respond to prednisone, now also on Cytoxin and some inhalers. No O2 yet. I do light activity most the time without a problem but exertion leads to panting and coughing, mold exposure is the worst reaction. Any information from others is so very welcome. I am a retired RN. OB was my area so no help to me now. In fairly good spirits most the time and live now in St. , Utah.

ann

[Guest guest]

Hi ann-

Welcome to the group. My name is Joyce Rudy and I don't live that far from you. I live in Prescott Arizona! May I ask what your hypersensitivity pneumonitis is from? I also have that but it is from birds. I have been in St. and how do you get mold there? I don't think a mold would survive more then a second here and I would think that would be the same in St. .

I am a 65 year old with 5 dogs and used to have 7 birds. My husband died in 1993 when we were livin gin N. California so I emmigrated to arizona. I have been a westener all my life. Originally from San Diego and now in ARIZONA. Left California because things were just too hight there. Love Prescott!

Joyce Rudy AZ

(unknown)

Hello,

I'm new, 67, and have been diagnosed (open lung biopsy) since 2004 with advanced IPF and hypersensitivity pneumonitis. I do respond to prednisone, now also on Cytoxin and some inhalers. No O2 yet. I do light activity most the time without a problem but exertion leads to panting and coughing, mold exposure is the worst reaction. Any information from others is so very welcome. I am a retired RN. OB was my area so no help to me now. In fairly good spirits most the time and live now in St. , Utah.

ann

[Guest guest]

Hi ann-

Welcome to the group. My name is Joyce Rudy and I don't live that far from you. I live in Prescott Arizona! May I ask what your hypersensitivity pneumonitis is from? I also have that but it is from birds. I have been in St. and how do you get mold there? I don't think a mold would survive more then a second here and I would think that would be the same in St. .

I am a 65 year old with 5 dogs and used to have 7 birds. My husband died in 1993 when we were livin gin N. California so I emmigrated to arizona. I have been a westener all my life. Originally from San Diego and now in ARIZONA. Left California because things were just too hight there. Love Prescott!

Joyce Rudy AZ

(unknown)

Hello,

I'm new, 67, and have been diagnosed (open lung biopsy) since 2004 with advanced IPF and hypersensitivity pneumonitis. I do respond to prednisone, now also on Cytoxin and some inhalers. No O2 yet. I do light activity most the time without a problem but exertion leads to panting and coughing, mold exposure is the worst reaction. Any information from others is so very welcome. I am a retired RN. OB was my area so no help to me now. In fairly good spirits most the time and live now in St. , Utah.

ann

[Guest guest]

does the bloke take it off with one hand or two hands? lol

Pink Joyce IPF 3/06 Pennsylvania

Donate Life Listed 1/09 inactive 4/09

www.transplantfund.org---

Subject: (unknown)To: Breathe-Support Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:16 AM

I am glad it is over and you are home. I say to hell with a bra if you arent going anywhere why wear one. I didnt go anywhere for a long time after the VATS because it was so uncomfortable and I wouldnt be caught dead outside of my house without it.Dont give up hope, practice makes perfect. I wish you a speedy recovery. IPF 2/07 IL Raynauds Sjogrens Scleroderma

[Guest guest]

Ha Miss Pink...lets just say with 2 hubbies I've experienced both but don't ask which I'd prefer!

For the act of doing 'em UP I think it's a logistical problem!

SGIO > > > Subject: (unknown)> To: Breathe-Support > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:16 AM> > > > > > > > > > I am glad it is over and you are home. I say to hell with a bra if you arent going anywhere why wear one. I didnt go anywhere for a long time after the VATS because it was so uncomfortable and I wouldnt be caught dead outside of my house without it.Dont give up hope, practice makes perfect. I wish you a speedy recovery.> IPF 2/07 IL Raynauds Sjogrens Scleroderma>

[Guest guest]

Ha Miss Pink...lets just say with 2 hubbies I've experienced both but don't ask which I'd prefer!

For the act of doing 'em UP I think it's a logistical problem!

SGIO > > > Subject: (unknown)> To: Breathe-Support > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:16 AM> > > > > > > > > > I am glad it is over and you are home. I say to hell with a bra if you arent going anywhere why wear one. I didnt go anywhere for a long time after the VATS because it was so uncomfortable and I wouldnt be caught dead outside of my house without it.Dont give up hope, practice makes perfect. I wish you a speedy recovery.> IPF 2/07 IL Raynauds Sjogrens Scleroderma>

[Guest guest]

Hi Katrine, Yes, the S. boulardii from Kirkman Labs is ok. That

is what I use.

Carol

CD 21 yrs SCD 4.5 yrs

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of katrinehk

Does anyone know if the

Saccharomyces Boulardii from Kirkman is ok?

I can get them in England so that would be great.

Katrine

[Guest guest]

Welcome aboard. It's not too late to run far, far away.

Wes Ogilvie

Sent from my iPhone

> New member on the forum, here. Looking forward to talking with all of you.

I'm

> a volunteer firefighter and recently obtained my NREMT-B certification. Just

> waiting on the paperwork to come back from TSDHS and then I'm going to be

> applying for fire departments in the area. Cody

>

>

[Guest guest]

As Wes said RUN RUN FAST.

Seriously, be warned this list can and will eat it's young old and everyone

in between. That said here is one piece of advice.

If you let them (whom ever them is) run you off then they win and they

should never win NEVER give up just be the person YOU are period.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the original author.

In a message dated 12/27/2010 7:55:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,

codyholt83@... writes:

New member on the forum, here. Looking forward to talking with all of

you. I'm

a volunteer firefighter and recently obtained my NREMT-B certification.

Just

waiting on the paperwork to come back from TSDHS and then I'm going to be

applying for fire departments in the area. Cody

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[Guest guest]

Cody,

Welcome to madness! You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll curse, and you'll scream,

but you'll learn lots (not all of it good) from this list. Don't take us too

seriously, and DO participate.

We're glad to have you.

Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P

(unknown)

New member on the forum, here. Looking forward to talking with all of you. I'm

a volunteer firefighter and recently obtained my NREMT-B certification. Just

waiting on the paperwork to come back from TSDHS and then I'm going to be

applying for fire departments in the area. Cody

[Guest guest]

Good luck with your EMS career, Cody. Keep your head down and your powder

dry!

Bob

>

>

> Cody,

>

> Welcome to madness! You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll curse, and you'll

> scream, but you'll learn lots (not all of it good) from this list. Don't

> take us too seriously, and DO participate.

>

> We're glad to have you.

>

> Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P

>

>

> (unknown)

>

> New member on the forum, here. Looking forward to talking with all of you.

> I'm

> a volunteer firefighter and recently obtained my NREMT-B certification.

> Just

> waiting on the paperwork to come back from TSDHS and then I'm going to be

> applying for fire departments in the area. Cody

>

>

[Guest guest]

You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll curse, and you'll scream

In the same message!

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the original author.

In a message dated 12/27/2010 8:28:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,

wegandy@... writes:

Cody,

Welcome to madness! You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll curse, and you'll

scream, but you'll learn lots (not all of it good) from this list. Don't

take us too seriously, and DO participate.

We're glad to have you.

Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P

(unknown)

New member on the forum, here. Looking forward to talking with all of

you. I'm

a volunteer firefighter and recently obtained my NREMT-B certification.

Just

waiting on the paperwork to come back from TSDHS and then I'm going to be

applying for fire departments in the area. Cody

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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[Guest guest]

Welcome to the list Cody, and congrats on passing the NR.

Sent from my iPhone

McGee, EMT-P

> New member on the forum, here. Looking forward to talking with all of you.

I'm

> a volunteer firefighter and recently obtained my NREMT-B certification. Just

> waiting on the paperwork to come back from TSDHS and then I'm going to be

> applying for fire departments in the area. Cody

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cody,

Always challenge the conventional paradigm. We have some really smart,

experienced and committed people on this List, but then too, we've often

been guilty of " eating our own " by discounting (even ridiculing) their

tenure, experience and training, and thus thwarting the emergence of new

leadership.

We (the old farts) had our " run " and opportunities. We kicked the EMS " can "

as far down the road as we could - given our opportunities, resources and

knowledge. Congratulations on entering the EMS field, and don't ever be

afraid to ask " why. "

>

>

> You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll curse, and you'll scream

>

> In the same message!

>

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

> the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

> unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

>

> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

>

> domain by the original author.

>

> In a message dated 12/27/2010 8:28:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,

> wegandy@... writes:

>

> Cody,

>

> Welcome to madness! You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll curse, and you'll

> scream, but you'll learn lots (not all of it good) from this list. Don't

> take us too seriously, and DO participate.

>

> We're glad to have you.

>

> Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P

>

> (unknown)

>

> New member on the forum, here. Looking forward to talking with all of

> you. I'm

> a volunteer firefighter and recently obtained my NREMT-B certification.

> Just

> waiting on the paperwork to come back from TSDHS and then I'm going to be

> applying for fire departments in the area. Cody

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the list Cody

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: (unknown)

Welcome to the list Cody, and congrats on passing the NR.

Sent from my iPhone

McGee, EMT-P

> New member on the forum, here. Looking forward to talking with all of you.

I'm

> a volunteer firefighter and recently obtained my NREMT-B certification. Just

> waiting on the paperwork to come back from TSDHS and then I'm going to be

> applying for fire departments in the area. Cody

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the list Cody

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: (unknown)

Welcome to the list Cody, and congrats on passing the NR.

Sent from my iPhone

McGee, EMT-P

> New member on the forum, here. Looking forward to talking with all of you.

I'm

> a volunteer firefighter and recently obtained my NREMT-B certification. Just

> waiting on the paperwork to come back from TSDHS and then I'm going to be

> applying for fire departments in the area. Cody

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doc can we really blame the EMS of old for the fallacies of the 21st Century?

Of course we still see the tops bicarb popped off via the Gage method.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Jan 10, 2011, at 23:27, " , DO, FACOEP, FACEP "

phillipsdo@...> wrote:

> Just a thought, so probably not really related but...

>

> EMS started in the late 60s and early 70s. Many of our early paramedics likely

had service time in Korea and/or Vietnam. These were the first conflicts to

utilize helicopter evacuation. For these vets, a helicopter meant life for their

buddies, even if they died they still didn't die in the bush!

>

> The TV show MASH portrayed the battalion aid surgeon as I'll trained,

overwhelmed, inept, and likely to die. Is this how the vet subconscience sees a

level III or IV trauma center? " By God, if I let them go there they will kill

them or let them die! I've got to Evac them! They're counting on me. I might get

a medal "

>

> I'm sorry if this offends some. I am a vet also. I have worked with several

Vietnam vets. All (okay with one exception) were great medics.

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doc can we really blame the EMS of old for the fallacies of the 21st Century?

Of course we still see the tops bicarb popped off via the Gage method.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Jan 10, 2011, at 23:27, " , DO, FACOEP, FACEP "

phillipsdo@...> wrote:

> Just a thought, so probably not really related but...

>

> EMS started in the late 60s and early 70s. Many of our early paramedics likely

had service time in Korea and/or Vietnam. These were the first conflicts to

utilize helicopter evacuation. For these vets, a helicopter meant life for their

buddies, even if they died they still didn't die in the bush!

>

> The TV show MASH portrayed the battalion aid surgeon as I'll trained,

overwhelmed, inept, and likely to die. Is this how the vet subconscience sees a

level III or IV trauma center? " By God, if I let them go there they will kill

them or let them die! I've got to Evac them! They're counting on me. I might get

a medal "

>

> I'm sorry if this offends some. I am a vet also. I have worked with several

Vietnam vets. All (okay with one exception) were great medics.

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don,

Yeah, I understand that. We embraced a lot of stuff that we thought was right

then, and that we now know what not. MAST was one. The idea of plugging a lot

of RL into somebody to up BP was another. We have learned that oxygen is not

always good, and so forth and so on.

My problem with helo EMS is that it's so often triggered by protocol rather than

on-scene-assessment.

We now know that helo transport does nothing for most patients. We also know

when it does and when it doesn't.

Helos are the BOMB in rural areas. Yes! Give me a helo and take my patient

where she needs to be! I have no problem with that.

What I DO have a problem with is when medics in a town where the Level 1 is 10

minutes away, somehow try to find a reason to use helo EMS.

I think you and I agree.

GG

(unknown)

Just a thought, so probably not really related but...

EMS started in the late 60s and early 70s. Many of our early paramedics likely

had service time in Korea and/or Vietnam. These were the first conflicts to

utilize helicopter evacuation. For these vets, a helicopter meant life for their

buddies, even if they died they still didn't die in the bush!

The TV show MASH portrayed the battalion aid surgeon as I'll trained,

overwhelmed, inept, and likely to die. Is this how the vet subconscience sees a

level III or IV trauma center? " By God, if I let them go there they will kill

them or let them die! I've got to Evac them! They're counting on me. I might get

a medal "

I'm sorry if this offends some. I am a vet also. I have worked with several

Vietnam vets. All (okay with one exception) were great medics.

[Guest guest]

I agree that, living in an urban area where I have critical patients, and heck,

our level 1 is thirty to forty minutes away, it does not make sense to me to fly

a patient. I trust my fellow medics and I know that they can handle almost

anything that's thrown at them. The only instance when we would really need it

(due in part to our progressive protocols, thanks to a very enlightened and

active Medical Director) would be in the case of a patient that needed blood,

but in that case I would propose it would be much easier to take the patient to

a Level 3 or 4 trauma ward to receive the stabilizing care that they need before

transport.

Of course, I will follow protocols at all times, and this does not reflect the

attitude of any EMS company that I have ever, will ever, or currently do work

for. It is simply my opinion

Now... having said that, I believe that Helicopter EMS is a wonderful thing in

rural areas, or in any major, Mass Casualty Incident (in this case defining a

Mass Casualty Incident as one that exceeds the capabilities of my urban area).

I think that a helicopter is also a very versatile tool - SAR, EMS, and PD, or

any combination, may be flown, and I've heard of all three combinations. Anyone

with greater experience care to weigh in on the benefits of SAR and EMS or EMS

and PD or solely EMS air ambulances? I've heard that doing all three spreads

your resources too thin, but I'd love to hear more information and opinions

regarding this aspect of Air Medical Care. Should Flight Medics even have

multiple Rescue Certifications? Are they really useful in the field? One would

expect them to be, yet I've also heard that working Air Med is like working for

a transfer service in some ways (you're rarely first on scene). Thoughts?

Opinions?

240--Air

> Don,

>

> Yeah, I understand that. We embraced a lot of stuff that we thought was right

then, and that we now know what not. MAST was one. The idea of plugging a lot of

RL into somebody to up BP was another. We have learned that oxygen is not always

good, and so forth and so on.

>

> My problem with helo EMS is that it's so often triggered by protocol rather

than on-scene-assessment.

>

> We now know that helo transport does nothing for most patients. We also know

when it does and when it doesn't.

>

> Helos are the BOMB in rural areas. Yes! Give me a helo and take my patient

where she needs to be! I have no problem with that.

>

> What I DO have a problem with is when medics in a town where the Level 1 is 10

minutes away, somehow try to find a reason to use helo EMS.

>

> I think you and I agree.

>

> GG

>

> (unknown)

>

> Just a thought, so probably not really related but...

>

> EMS started in the late 60s and early 70s. Many of our early paramedics likely

had service time in Korea and/or Vietnam. These were the first conflicts to

utilize helicopter evacuation. For these vets, a helicopter meant life for their

buddies, even if they died they still didn't die in the bush!

>

> The TV show MASH portrayed the battalion aid surgeon as I'll trained,

overwhelmed, inept, and likely to die. Is this how the vet subconscience sees a

level III or IV trauma center? " By God, if I let them go there they will kill

them or let them die! I've got to Evac them! They're counting on me. I might get

a medal "

>

> I'm sorry if this offends some. I am a vet also. I have worked with several

Vietnam vets. All (okay with one exception) were great medics.

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