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February 14, 2003

You know what is so upsetting is that we feel so helpless. All of our decisions are made for us, but that is democracy. So rather than blame our own president, I feel we should stand behind him. Still, our family has an "emergency plan", including meeting places. That does make you feel a little more secure.

Olivia

February 14, 2003

Joyce

I think their are many reasons people hate us. In the history class I took we learned about American History. In every war we were imposing our beliefs on someone else. Example: Spanish American War: We fought the Spaniards out of the Philipines because they were dictating their government. We, won, then proceeded to war with the Filipino people because we tried to force our democracy on them and declare them an American territory. During the same war Roosevelt ripped Columbia off for the Panama Canal. Look at the complete genocide of the Native Americans. Then when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, a naval base, we retaliated by bombing Tokyo, which is obviously civilian. Now I am all pro-American, but I can see why some people resent us, because we've been pulling this stuff on everyone. Just my 2 cents!

Olivia

February 14, 2003

Ok, Bette? If you hate this country so much, then move. And if thats not possible, then please tell me your not recieving any aid from our self-centered tax-payers money? Sorry for being a b****, we all have opinions, but you don't even sound American.

Olivia

February 14, 2003

Thanks Olivia

I loved the New pictures of the handsome one.

I bet he will be a football player.

Joyce M

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JoyceI think their are many reasons people hate us. In the history class I took we learned about American History. In every war we were imposing our beliefs on someone else. Example: Spanish American War: We fought the Spaniards out of the Philipines because they were dictating their government. We, won, then proceeded to war with the Filipino people because we tried to force our democracy on them and declare them an American territory. During the same war Roosevelt ripped Columbia off for the Panama Canal. Look at the complete genocide of the Native Americans. Then when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, a naval base, we retaliated by bombing Tokyo, which is obviously civilian. Now I am all pro-American, but I can see why some people resent us, because we've been pulling this stuff on everyone. Just my 2 cents! :)Olivia

February 15, 2003

" Cindy " wrote:

> do you realize that by putting all these possibilities in the media

> and right in our faces we are taking away the element of surprise for

> the terrorist thugs. thats whatthey want, to shock and outrage. the

> more i think about themore i like the idea of playing it up in the

> media. better than whining afterwards.

Is there anything like a challenge to outdo the atrocities that

have come before... to venture into the area of the unthinkable?

Possibilities are limitless. It works both ways, so it's not all

doom and gloom. I do think we should be presented with an

examination of the alternatives to a preemptive strike on Iraq and

be educated in how this course of action will lead to concrete

goals. Catch phrases aren't gonna do it (Dana Carvey: " wouldn't be

prudent " ) in the 21st century.

Our coaches are always talking about collecting stuff for the

locker room bulletin board to increase the already intense

motivation the team has to be successful against an opponent.

A dynamic like that can work on the level of global terrorists.

So they sit around watching video and laughing at what we think

they'll do, and refine their plans to work around it.

(if they take away the run, then pass.... if they take away the

pass, then run.... if they take away the post, then hit some

three-point shots to open things up.... if they are too tight

around the perimeter, flash to the basket)

Alternatively, viewing it as a terrorist social movement, there

is nothing like prior success (WTC) to catalyze recruitment. The

placement of possibilities in the media serves as evidence that

they do have us on guard. It ups the ante, and with it,

commitment to the movement. Unfortunately.

Retrospect is 20/20, right? Is that what they say or do I have

it mixed up?

So what have we learned from the past and how will we do things

differently this time and what impact will our actions have on

others? I pay more attention to the sources that attempt to

address those questions than I do to the hype. Let's dream a

better world and make it a reality. Why, look at the moon!

Healing thoughts to you all and the world, too,

February 15, 2003

Ok, Bette? If you hate this country so much, then move. And if thats not possible, then please tell me your not recieving any aid from our self-centered tax-payers money? Sorry for being a b****, we all have opinions, but you don't even sound American.

Olivia - I don't hate this country at all. I never said that. I am exercising my FREEDOM OF SPEECH, a right I treasure. To question the actions and behavior of one's country doesn't imply that one doesn't love her country.

I don't know about aid I receive. I do pay lots of taxes!!

Bette Mentz-

The Dragons are Coming

February 15, 2003

So rather than blame our own president, I feel we should stand behind him. Still, our family has an "emergency plan", including meeting places. That does make you

WHAT????? We should stand behind him no matter we think he is taking us on a road to disaster? No I don't think so.

Germans supported Hitler when he was in power. Would you have closed your eyes and blindly followed him too?

Bette Mentz-

The Dragons are Coming

February 15, 2003

Still, our family has an "emergency plan", including meeting places. That does make you feel a little more secure.

Your family will be wiped out if Bush gets his way and your emergency plan won't do diddly-squat.

Bette Mentz-

The Dragons are Coming

February 15, 2003

You know what is so upsetting is that we feel so helpless. All of our decisions are made for us, but that is democracy. So rather than blame our own president, I feel we should stand behind him.

And as a Democracy, we expect that our government is there to carry out the will of the majority. The majority of Americans do not support Bush's single-minded push for war.

Of course we feel helpless. Our leader is acting against the will of the American majority - something we are not accustomed to and should not tolerate.

Matt

February 15, 2003

What right do you have to mock others feelings.

I am not mocking anyone. I am deadly serious.

Bette Mentz-

The Dragons are Coming

February 15, 2003

Original Message:

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From: OKamador@...

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:16:44 EST

To: NF2_Crew

Subject: Re: terror

Joyce

I think their are many reasons people hate us. In the history class I took

we learned about American History. In every war we were imposing our

beliefs

on someone else. Example: Spanish American War: We fought the Spaniards

out

of the Philipines because they were dictating their government. We, won,

then

proceeded to war with the Filipino people because we tried to force our

democracy on them and declare them an American territory. During the same

war Roosevelt ripped Columbia off for the Panama Canal. Look at the

complete

genocide of the Native Americans. Then when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, a

naval base, we retaliated by bombing Tokyo, which is obviously civilian.

Now

I am all pro-American, but I can see why some people resent us, because

we've

been pulling this stuff on everyone. Just my 2 cents!

Olivia

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February 15, 2003

Please...Please...Stop this.

What right do you have to mock others feelings.

----Original Message-----From: BMP300@... Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:22 AMTo: NF2_Crew Subject: Re: terror

Still, our family has an "emergency plan", including meeting places. That does make you feel a little more secure.Your family will be wiped out if Bush gets his way and your emergency plan won't do diddly-squat.Bette Mentz-The Dragons are Coming

February 15, 2003

Golly Gee, I wish that we could all "just get along".

Doloras

February 17, 2003

Jeanette , there are terrorist cells all over the world and by Bush Attacking

Iraq there would be many more Volunteers around thw orld to do the

terrorists work so I dont feel tha tattacking Iraq is to the benefit of

the American people at all ! Besides that Nush is helpng to destroy the

worlds environment and he doenst agree with the rest of the world about

cutting back gas emissions in the Kyoto Accords even though we produce 25

percent of the worlds air pollution and one of the big reasons the world is

warming . He makes tax cuts for the rich who can benwfit from his beefy

tax cuts and meanwhile makes cuts from thing s like Medicaid for the poor

by giving money to states who are in great debt mind you to haldle

medicaid themselves and allow them to make major cuts . He doesnt negotiate

with other countries in the world at all and he does what he wants .He

dones t negotiate at all . President Bush in my opinion is the scariest

human being on the planet at the moment and not Hussein .Next thing you know

we will be bombing North Korea and causing World War three .At least

Presdient Clinton had some idea how to run the country and Predent Nush

doesnt even lsten to Greenspan how we have to increase taxes in order to do

the amount of spending we are doing and the debt is increasing dramatically .

He brushes every ones opinion off accepts his and his war mongers as BMP300

has stated . The Candian who lost his job for saying Bush is a moron I

beleive is correct and the Europenas are correct too except for that Tony

Blair and menawhile he is the most unpopular leader in England in a long

time .Tev

February 17, 2003

Before this comes to an all out fight there are some things to look are.

1 Who did you vote for.

2 Do you know all the facts or just what you hear that sounds good to you.

3 Who would you support? An Idiot or a well educated man

4 We should stand behind our leaders

I won't go as far as to say they are right or wrong. Pary for our nation that the guidance of the SUPREME MAKER will show us the right path.It is not our will that prevails in the end it is HIS.

Re: terror

What right do you have to mock others feelings.I am not mocking anyone. I am deadly serious.Bette Mentz-The Dragons are Coming

February 17, 2003

In a message dated 2/17/2003 11:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,

loveshackg@... writes:

> 3 Who would you support? An Idiot or a well educated man

I think it's time to let this one go. Obviously I didn't vote for Bush

and, yes, I think the man isn't the sharpest pencil in the pack. In fact, I

really think his intelligence is on par with that of a salad bar.

A " well-educated man " does NOT assure that someone isn't an idiot. Almost

anyone can get a master's degree or a law degree and they may be at the bottom

of their class. Hell, you can BUY a diploma right here on the good old web.

I don't think ANYONe would claim that President Bush is any genius.

No, I won't stand behind him. I think he is dead WRONG on this war business.

If he gets his way he can go down in history as the guy who changed the entire

course of US history. He will have ATTACKED a country that did not attack us

first. I call that a war monger. He will do SO much damage in terms of the U.N.

and everything they stand for and work for.

I have a moral obligation to actively NOT support someone I feel is making the

mistake of his lifetime when it directly effects me and my children.

Didn't we learn a thing from Vietnam?

Bette

>

February 17, 2003

Are you saying we should wait to be attacked first? That's what it

sounds like.

There is an interesting interview with Tony Blair in the new Readers

Digest. I'm sure everyone knows he supports Bush 100%. (I do too.)

" ... supposing I'd come to you in August 2001 and said Afghanistan is a

hive of terrorist activity; it poses a real threat to the outside world;

there are these terrorist cells being dispatched everywhere. Most people

would have said, come on, aren't you exaggerating? And in fact, you

wouldn't have been exaggerating. It was absolutely true. "

Jennette

----- Original Message -----

.. He will have ATTACKED a country that did not attack us first. I call

that a war monger.

February 17, 2003

Jennette

Good point

-- Re: terror

Are you saying we should wait to be attacked first? That's what itsounds like.There is an interesting interview with Tony Blair in the new ReadersDigest. I'm sure everyone knows he supports Bush 100%. (I do too.)"... supposing I'd come to you in August 2001 and said Afghanistan is ahive of terrorist activity; it poses a real threat to the outside world;there are these terrorist cells being dispatched everywhere. Most peoplewould have said, come on, aren't you exaggerating? And in fact, youwouldn't have been exaggerating. It was absolutely true."Jennette----- Original Message -----.. He will have ATTACKED a country that did not attack us first. I callthat a war monger.

February 17, 2003

well for one thing women are free to live now. no biggie I know but I

was very very concerned about the lives of women in afghanistan years

ago!

In NF2_Crew , BMP300@a... wrote:

> And what exactly has Mr. Bush accomplished in Afghanistan???? He

has spent LOTSA money (while our economy continues to crumble and our

domestic programs go to hell in a hand basket) and he never did " hunt

down and kill Bin Laden. "

>

> That didn't work so now we must focus on a different tyrant and go

over THERE and spend MORE money to protect our oil in the name of the

great United States and freedom?

>

> No thanks.

>

> Bette

February 17, 2003

I am not weighing in for one side or the other. Just in reading these

messages I find the irony in that the Bush-haters are bashed by people

saying " Well Clinton did this... " . Sort of the Pot calling the Kettle Black

and all that.

Ahh anyways, back to my corner to watch the tumors grow

Pete

February 17, 2003

There is no statued of limitations on murder' Look at the number of his

own people he has killed. Look at the advisors in his cabinet that he has

shot because they had a diffrent veiw. Look at the oil feilds he set ablaze.

He was being like a spoiled brat " If I can't have no oneelse can " . We need

not be attacked. Look at the Grenada fight, wereWEattacked? The answer is no

but we did protect our intrest. Was Kuait a territory of ours? No but we did

get it back to the people. The same with Iraqu weWILL GIVE IT BACK TO THE

PEOPLE THAT CAN ABIDE by an international law.

BEANS

Re: terror

> And what exactly has Mr. Bush accomplished in Afghanistan???? He has

spent LOTSA money (while our economy continues to crumble and our domestic

programs go to hell in a hand basket) and he never did " hunt down and kill

Bin Laden. "

>

> That didn't work so now we must focus on a different tyrant and go over

THERE and spend MORE money to protect our oil in the name of the great

United States and freedom?

>

> No thanks.

>

> Bette

>

February 17, 2003

nice analysis Pete! :-)

Brayman wrote:

> I am not weighing in for one side or the other. Just in reading these

> messages I find the irony in that the Bush-haters are bashed by people

> saying " Well Clinton did this... " . Sort of the Pot calling the Kettle Black

> and all that.

>

> Ahh anyways, back to my corner to watch the tumors grow

>

> Pete

>

February 17, 2003

nice analysis Pete! :-)

Brayman wrote:

> I am not weighing in for one side or the other. Just in reading these

> messages I find the irony in that the Bush-haters are bashed by people

> saying " Well Clinton did this... " . Sort of the Pot calling the Kettle Black

> and all that.

>

> Ahh anyways, back to my corner to watch the tumors grow

>

> Pete

>

February 17, 2003

nice analysis Pete! :-)

Brayman wrote:

> I am not weighing in for one side or the other. Just in reading these

> messages I find the irony in that the Bush-haters are bashed by people

> saying " Well Clinton did this... " . Sort of the Pot calling the Kettle Black

> and all that.

>

> Ahh anyways, back to my corner to watch the tumors grow

>

> Pete

>

February 19, 2003

AT THE RISK OF BEING CRITICIZED I AGREE WITH BETTE ON THIS SUBJECT.

I HAVE BEEN OUT OF TOWN FOR A WEEK AND BEHIND IN READING EMAILS....

I DO NOT WANT WAR...

HOW IN THE WORLD IS DUCT TAPE GONG TO SAVE US IF THEY BOMB US OR RELEASE CHEMICALS?? I USE DUCT TAPE FOR A LOT OF THINGS BUT THIS IS ONE THING IT WILL NOT HELP WITH. AND EVEN IF IT DID WHAT IS LEFT ONCE WE CAN COME OUT OF OUR "SAFE" ROOM?

WE ARE BLESSED IN AMERICA WE HAVE FREEDOM TO WORSHIP WHO ,WHAT ,WHERE AND WHEN WE WANT. WE CAN CHOOSE OUR OPINION WITHOUT BEING THROWN IN PRISON OR KILLED I LOVE AMERICA AND WOULD NOT CHOOSE TO LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE. I AGREE SADAM IS EVIL AND SHOULD BE DONE AWAY WITH BUT DOESN'T IT SAY SOMETHING WHEN MOST COUNTRIES ARE AGAINST WAR?

I CRINGE AT THE THOUGHT OF ALL THE YOUNG AMERICANS WHO WILL LOOSES THEIR LIVES IF WE GO TO WAR

THE OLD GRANDMA ON THE CREW,

CATHERINE

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You knoweven if nothing happens, Osama has really achieved his aim--we have lost ourfreedom. marieWelllll...think about President Bush. At first he absolutely FORBID the media to broadcast anything which may have been Osama on tape because "Osama is a bad guy and he will be sending secret signals to all the terrorists to initiate another hit." Did you notice that now Bush is USING the most recent tape to benefit his own not so hidden agenda...his WAR??? He says that Osama is dangerous and to pay attention to this tape. What if he is "sending secret signals" to unleash more terrorism?Sorry, , but you can't have it both ways! What is sitting in the White House is as scary to me as Osama. He wont be content until we have a HUGE, horrible war. I want no part of it.Bette Mentz-The Dragons are Coming

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