Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 You know what is so upsetting is that we feel so helpless. All of our decisions are made for us, but that is democracy. So rather than blame our own president, I feel we should stand behind him. Still, our family has an "emergency plan", including meeting places. That does make you feel a little more secure. Olivia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 Joyce I think their are many reasons people hate us. In the history class I took we learned about American History. In every war we were imposing our beliefs on someone else. Example: Spanish American War: We fought the Spaniards out of the Philipines because they were dictating their government. We, won, then proceeded to war with the Filipino people because we tried to force our democracy on them and declare them an American territory. During the same war Roosevelt ripped Columbia off for the Panama Canal. Look at the complete genocide of the Native Americans. Then when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, a naval base, we retaliated by bombing Tokyo, which is obviously civilian. Now I am all pro-American, but I can see why some people resent us, because we've been pulling this stuff on everyone. Just my 2 cents! Olivia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 Ok, Bette? If you hate this country so much, then move. And if thats not possible, then please tell me your not recieving any aid from our self-centered tax-payers money? Sorry for being a b****, we all have opinions, but you don't even sound American. Olivia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 Thanks Olivia I loved the New pictures of the handsome one. I bet he will be a football player. Joyce M -- Re: terror JoyceI think their are many reasons people hate us. In the history class I took we learned about American History. In every war we were imposing our beliefs on someone else. Example: Spanish American War: We fought the Spaniards out of the Philipines because they were dictating their government. We, won, then proceeded to war with the Filipino people because we tried to force our democracy on them and declare them an American territory. During the same war Roosevelt ripped Columbia off for the Panama Canal. Look at the complete genocide of the Native Americans. Then when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, a naval base, we retaliated by bombing Tokyo, which is obviously civilian. Now I am all pro-American, but I can see why some people resent us, because we've been pulling this stuff on everyone. Just my 2 cents! :)Olivia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 " Cindy " wrote: > do you realize that by putting all these possibilities in the media > and right in our faces we are taking away the element of surprise for > the terrorist thugs. thats whatthey want, to shock and outrage. the > more i think about themore i like the idea of playing it up in the > media. better than whining afterwards. Is there anything like a challenge to outdo the atrocities that have come before... to venture into the area of the unthinkable? Possibilities are limitless. It works both ways, so it's not all doom and gloom. I do think we should be presented with an examination of the alternatives to a preemptive strike on Iraq and be educated in how this course of action will lead to concrete goals. Catch phrases aren't gonna do it (Dana Carvey: " wouldn't be prudent " ) in the 21st century. Our coaches are always talking about collecting stuff for the locker room bulletin board to increase the already intense motivation the team has to be successful against an opponent. A dynamic like that can work on the level of global terrorists. So they sit around watching video and laughing at what we think they'll do, and refine their plans to work around it. (if they take away the run, then pass.... if they take away the pass, then run.... if they take away the post, then hit some three-point shots to open things up.... if they are too tight around the perimeter, flash to the basket) Alternatively, viewing it as a terrorist social movement, there is nothing like prior success (WTC) to catalyze recruitment. The placement of possibilities in the media serves as evidence that they do have us on guard. It ups the ante, and with it, commitment to the movement. Unfortunately. Retrospect is 20/20, right? Is that what they say or do I have it mixed up? So what have we learned from the past and how will we do things differently this time and what impact will our actions have on others? I pay more attention to the sources that attempt to address those questions than I do to the hype. Let's dream a better world and make it a reality. Why, look at the moon! Healing thoughts to you all and the world, too, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 Ok, Bette? If you hate this country so much, then move. And if thats not possible, then please tell me your not recieving any aid from our self-centered tax-payers money? Sorry for being a b****, we all have opinions, but you don't even sound American. Olivia - I don't hate this country at all. I never said that. I am exercising my FREEDOM OF SPEECH, a right I treasure. To question the actions and behavior of one's country doesn't imply that one doesn't love her country. I don't know about aid I receive. I do pay lots of taxes!! Bette Mentz- The Dragons are Coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 So rather than blame our own president, I feel we should stand behind him. Still, our family has an "emergency plan", including meeting places. That does make you WHAT????? We should stand behind him no matter we think he is taking us on a road to disaster? No I don't think so. Germans supported Hitler when he was in power. Would you have closed your eyes and blindly followed him too? Bette Mentz- The Dragons are Coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 Still, our family has an "emergency plan", including meeting places. That does make you feel a little more secure. Your family will be wiped out if Bush gets his way and your emergency plan won't do diddly-squat. Bette Mentz- The Dragons are Coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 You know what is so upsetting is that we feel so helpless. All of our decisions are made for us, but that is democracy. So rather than blame our own president, I feel we should stand behind him. And as a Democracy, we expect that our government is there to carry out the will of the majority. The majority of Americans do not support Bush's single-minded push for war. Of course we feel helpless. Our leader is acting against the will of the American majority - something we are not accustomed to and should not tolerate. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 What right do you have to mock others feelings. I am not mocking anyone. I am deadly serious. Bette Mentz- The Dragons are Coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 Original Message: ----------------- From: OKamador@... Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:16:44 EST To: NF2_Crew Subject: Re: terror Joyce I think their are many reasons people hate us. In the history class I took we learned about American History. In every war we were imposing our beliefs on someone else. Example: Spanish American War: We fought the Spaniards out of the Philipines because they were dictating their government. We, won, then proceeded to war with the Filipino people because we tried to force our democracy on them and declare them an American territory. During the same war Roosevelt ripped Columbia off for the Panama Canal. Look at the complete genocide of the Native Americans. Then when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, a naval base, we retaliated by bombing Tokyo, which is obviously civilian. Now I am all pro-American, but I can see why some people resent us, because we've been pulling this stuff on everyone. Just my 2 cents! Olivia -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 Please...Please...Stop this. What right do you have to mock others feelings. ----Original Message-----From: BMP300@... Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 9:22 AMTo: NF2_Crew Subject: Re: terror Still, our family has an "emergency plan", including meeting places. That does make you feel a little more secure.Your family will be wiped out if Bush gets his way and your emergency plan won't do diddly-squat.Bette Mentz-The Dragons are Coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 Golly Gee, I wish that we could all "just get along". Doloras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Jeanette , there are terrorist cells all over the world and by Bush Attacking Iraq there would be many more Volunteers around thw orld to do the terrorists work so I dont feel tha tattacking Iraq is to the benefit of the American people at all ! Besides that Nush is helpng to destroy the worlds environment and he doenst agree with the rest of the world about cutting back gas emissions in the Kyoto Accords even though we produce 25 percent of the worlds air pollution and one of the big reasons the world is warming . He makes tax cuts for the rich who can benwfit from his beefy tax cuts and meanwhile makes cuts from thing s like Medicaid for the poor by giving money to states who are in great debt mind you to haldle medicaid themselves and allow them to make major cuts . He doesnt negotiate with other countries in the world at all and he does what he wants .He dones t negotiate at all . President Bush in my opinion is the scariest human being on the planet at the moment and not Hussein .Next thing you know we will be bombing North Korea and causing World War three .At least Presdient Clinton had some idea how to run the country and Predent Nush doesnt even lsten to Greenspan how we have to increase taxes in order to do the amount of spending we are doing and the debt is increasing dramatically . He brushes every ones opinion off accepts his and his war mongers as BMP300 has stated . The Candian who lost his job for saying Bush is a moron I beleive is correct and the Europenas are correct too except for that Tony Blair and menawhile he is the most unpopular leader in England in a long time .Tev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Before this comes to an all out fight there are some things to look are. 1 Who did you vote for. 2 Do you know all the facts or just what you hear that sounds good to you. 3 Who would you support? An Idiot or a well educated man 4 We should stand behind our leaders I won't go as far as to say they are right or wrong. Pary for our nation that the guidance of the SUPREME MAKER will show us the right path.It is not our will that prevails in the end it is HIS. Re: terror What right do you have to mock others feelings.I am not mocking anyone. I am deadly serious.Bette Mentz-The Dragons are Coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 In a message dated 2/17/2003 11:44:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, loveshackg@... writes: > 3 Who would you support? An Idiot or a well educated man I think it's time to let this one go. Obviously I didn't vote for Bush and, yes, I think the man isn't the sharpest pencil in the pack. In fact, I really think his intelligence is on par with that of a salad bar. A " well-educated man " does NOT assure that someone isn't an idiot. Almost anyone can get a master's degree or a law degree and they may be at the bottom of their class. Hell, you can BUY a diploma right here on the good old web. I don't think ANYONe would claim that President Bush is any genius. No, I won't stand behind him. I think he is dead WRONG on this war business. If he gets his way he can go down in history as the guy who changed the entire course of US history. He will have ATTACKED a country that did not attack us first. I call that a war monger. He will do SO much damage in terms of the U.N. and everything they stand for and work for. I have a moral obligation to actively NOT support someone I feel is making the mistake of his lifetime when it directly effects me and my children. Didn't we learn a thing from Vietnam? Bette > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Are you saying we should wait to be attacked first? That's what it sounds like. There is an interesting interview with Tony Blair in the new Readers Digest. I'm sure everyone knows he supports Bush 100%. (I do too.) " ... supposing I'd come to you in August 2001 and said Afghanistan is a hive of terrorist activity; it poses a real threat to the outside world; there are these terrorist cells being dispatched everywhere. Most people would have said, come on, aren't you exaggerating? And in fact, you wouldn't have been exaggerating. It was absolutely true. " Jennette ----- Original Message ----- .. He will have ATTACKED a country that did not attack us first. I call that a war monger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Jennette Good point -- Re: terror Are you saying we should wait to be attacked first? That's what itsounds like.There is an interesting interview with Tony Blair in the new ReadersDigest. I'm sure everyone knows he supports Bush 100%. (I do too.)"... supposing I'd come to you in August 2001 and said Afghanistan is ahive of terrorist activity; it poses a real threat to the outside world;there are these terrorist cells being dispatched everywhere. Most peoplewould have said, come on, aren't you exaggerating? And in fact, youwouldn't have been exaggerating. It was absolutely true."Jennette----- Original Message -----.. He will have ATTACKED a country that did not attack us first. I callthat a war monger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 well for one thing women are free to live now. no biggie I know but I was very very concerned about the lives of women in afghanistan years ago! In NF2_Crew , BMP300@a... wrote: > And what exactly has Mr. Bush accomplished in Afghanistan???? He has spent LOTSA money (while our economy continues to crumble and our domestic programs go to hell in a hand basket) and he never did " hunt down and kill Bin Laden. " > > That didn't work so now we must focus on a different tyrant and go over THERE and spend MORE money to protect our oil in the name of the great United States and freedom? > > No thanks. > > Bette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 I am not weighing in for one side or the other. Just in reading these messages I find the irony in that the Bush-haters are bashed by people saying " Well Clinton did this... " . Sort of the Pot calling the Kettle Black and all that. Ahh anyways, back to my corner to watch the tumors grow Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 There is no statued of limitations on murder' Look at the number of his own people he has killed. Look at the advisors in his cabinet that he has shot because they had a diffrent veiw. Look at the oil feilds he set ablaze. He was being like a spoiled brat " If I can't have no oneelse can " . We need not be attacked. Look at the Grenada fight, wereWEattacked? The answer is no but we did protect our intrest. Was Kuait a territory of ours? No but we did get it back to the people. The same with Iraqu weWILL GIVE IT BACK TO THE PEOPLE THAT CAN ABIDE by an international law. BEANS Re: terror > And what exactly has Mr. Bush accomplished in Afghanistan???? He has spent LOTSA money (while our economy continues to crumble and our domestic programs go to hell in a hand basket) and he never did " hunt down and kill Bin Laden. " > > That didn't work so now we must focus on a different tyrant and go over THERE and spend MORE money to protect our oil in the name of the great United States and freedom? > > No thanks. > > Bette > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 nice analysis Pete! :-) Brayman wrote: > I am not weighing in for one side or the other. Just in reading these > messages I find the irony in that the Bush-haters are bashed by people > saying " Well Clinton did this... " . Sort of the Pot calling the Kettle Black > and all that. > > Ahh anyways, back to my corner to watch the tumors grow > > Pete > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 nice analysis Pete! :-) Brayman wrote: > I am not weighing in for one side or the other. Just in reading these > messages I find the irony in that the Bush-haters are bashed by people > saying " Well Clinton did this... " . Sort of the Pot calling the Kettle Black > and all that. > > Ahh anyways, back to my corner to watch the tumors grow > > Pete > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 nice analysis Pete! :-) Brayman wrote: > I am not weighing in for one side or the other. Just in reading these > messages I find the irony in that the Bush-haters are bashed by people > saying " Well Clinton did this... " . Sort of the Pot calling the Kettle Black > and all that. > > Ahh anyways, back to my corner to watch the tumors grow > > Pete > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 AT THE RISK OF BEING CRITICIZED I AGREE WITH BETTE ON THIS SUBJECT. I HAVE BEEN OUT OF TOWN FOR A WEEK AND BEHIND IN READING EMAILS.... I DO NOT WANT WAR... HOW IN THE WORLD IS DUCT TAPE GONG TO SAVE US IF THEY BOMB US OR RELEASE CHEMICALS?? I USE DUCT TAPE FOR A LOT OF THINGS BUT THIS IS ONE THING IT WILL NOT HELP WITH. AND EVEN IF IT DID WHAT IS LEFT ONCE WE CAN COME OUT OF OUR "SAFE" ROOM? WE ARE BLESSED IN AMERICA WE HAVE FREEDOM TO WORSHIP WHO ,WHAT ,WHERE AND WHEN WE WANT. WE CAN CHOOSE OUR OPINION WITHOUT BEING THROWN IN PRISON OR KILLED I LOVE AMERICA AND WOULD NOT CHOOSE TO LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE. I AGREE SADAM IS EVIL AND SHOULD BE DONE AWAY WITH BUT DOESN'T IT SAY SOMETHING WHEN MOST COUNTRIES ARE AGAINST WAR? I CRINGE AT THE THOUGHT OF ALL THE YOUNG AMERICANS WHO WILL LOOSES THEIR LIVES IF WE GO TO WAR THE OLD GRANDMA ON THE CREW, CATHERINE Re: terror You knoweven if nothing happens, Osama has really achieved his aim--we have lost ourfreedom. marieWelllll...think about President Bush. At first he absolutely FORBID the media to broadcast anything which may have been Osama on tape because "Osama is a bad guy and he will be sending secret signals to all the terrorists to initiate another hit." Did you notice that now Bush is USING the most recent tape to benefit his own not so hidden agenda...his WAR??? He says that Osama is dangerous and to pay attention to this tape. What if he is "sending secret signals" to unleash more terrorism?Sorry, , but you can't have it both ways! What is sitting in the White House is as scary to me as Osama. He wont be content until we have a HUGE, horrible war. I want no part of it.Bette Mentz-The Dragons are Coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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