Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Hi, I don't know the answer, but I would suspect that the hot weather didn't cause your hyperthyroidism. Have you ever had a thyroid problem in the past? I will let the others here who know about hyperthyroidism answer your questions, I have hypothyroidism, and don't know much about hyper. Good luck with finding out the cause. Help please! I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Hi, I don't know the answer, but I would suspect that the hot weather didn't cause your hyperthyroidism. Have you ever had a thyroid problem in the past? I will let the others here who know about hyperthyroidism answer your questions, I have hypothyroidism, and don't know much about hyper. Good luck with finding out the cause. Help please! I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Hi, I don't know the answer, but I would suspect that the hot weather didn't cause your hyperthyroidism. Have you ever had a thyroid problem in the past? I will let the others here who know about hyperthyroidism answer your questions, I have hypothyroidism, and don't know much about hyper. Good luck with finding out the cause. Help please! I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Hi Sharon, Welcome to our little family and to help us to help you can you also include the ranges of the tests that were done. Most labs have set values even though there are reccommended ones by the governing bodies. If temperature had anything to do with being hyper then as a hypo last year when we had heat for about 10 weeks straight in the region of 110-120 then I should not have needed my meds, but I did. To me that is not a logical reply that you got. It would also mean that as soon as the weather changed we would all have to keep adjusting our meds whether we are hypo or hyper. One explaination could be that your thyroid is on the blink and is kicking in and out and going really funky by going from one extreme to another. Let us know the ranges and how you are feeling now and we will do our best to help. Just remember we all speak from our own experience and what we learn from each other. Glad you are here Dawn in Canada > > I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling > terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other > respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH > was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and > ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies > all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The > endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot > weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, > diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this > was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is > it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave? > > Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? > > Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with > this disease. > > Sharon in France > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Hi Sharon, Welcome to our little family and to help us to help you can you also include the ranges of the tests that were done. Most labs have set values even though there are reccommended ones by the governing bodies. If temperature had anything to do with being hyper then as a hypo last year when we had heat for about 10 weeks straight in the region of 110-120 then I should not have needed my meds, but I did. To me that is not a logical reply that you got. It would also mean that as soon as the weather changed we would all have to keep adjusting our meds whether we are hypo or hyper. One explaination could be that your thyroid is on the blink and is kicking in and out and going really funky by going from one extreme to another. Let us know the ranges and how you are feeling now and we will do our best to help. Just remember we all speak from our own experience and what we learn from each other. Glad you are here Dawn in Canada > > I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling > terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other > respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH > was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and > ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies > all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The > endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot > weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, > diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this > was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is > it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave? > > Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? > > Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with > this disease. > > Sharon in France > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Dear Dawn , thanks for your welcome! The range for TSH here is 0.40 to 4.40. (I think this is Centaur-Bayer Merveille Aupetit?) On 23 June mine was 0.04 and two weeks later it was 0.26 (last year it was 1.97) The T4 was mid range both times, so absolutely normal and the antibodies (which should be below 60) were 24 UI/ml anti- thyroglobuline and 31 antithyroperoxidase, so also ok. Anyway my GP thought it advisable to have the ultrasound which also proved absolutely normal, but even so he wanted me to see the specialist. I have searched the web and found mentions of temporary hyper being caused by overdoing the multivitamins, but never any mention of the heat! I too find it hard to credit. I'm feeling fine now, just wanted to know more about it. I would add that I have been feeling awful on and off for about 8 years but blood tests always showed thyroid ok, till this summer. Many thanks for taking the trouble. Kind wishes, Sharon > > > > I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after > feeling > > terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other > > respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but > TSH > > was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and > > ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. > Antibodies > > all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The > > endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the > hot > > weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, > > diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said > this > > was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - > is > > it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a > heatwave? > > > > Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? > > > > Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering > with > > this disease. > > > > Sharon in France > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Hi Sharon. Let me start by saying that this is only my opinion, based on tons of reading, but you definitely do have an imbalance there. First of all, I don't believe that summer heat can cause you to go hyper. I've taken thyroid hormones for 35 years and have not had to adapt for the seasons. Of course I'm hotter in the summer, but I don't ever get hyper symptoms like nervousness, high body temperature, shakiness, diarrhea etc. Hyper and hot are two quite different feelings. A low TSH CAN signify hyper in an unmedicated person, but it cannot make you hyper unless it's being driven down by the actual hormones T4 and T3. Since you don't have a T3 number, we can't tell if your TSH has been suppressed by it, but we can see that your T4 isn't at a suppressive level. So, the next thing that I would try to do is get a TSH, Free T4 and Free T3. If the FT3 is above range, then that would be what is pushing down your TSH. If your numbers are low to mid, and the TSH is that low, then you should actually feel more hypo since the pituitary is not sending out enough signals to the thyroid to secrete more hormones. Your symptoms can all be hyper for sure, but they can also be adrenal or pituitary in nature. According to Dr. Rind, when a person has a low TSH and low to normal T3 and T4 it can be indicative of pituitary problems or adrenal problems. I'm not sure what sort of health care you have in France, but next I would ask for a 24-hour adrenal test and a TRH test. TRH is a hormone released by the hypothalamus that communicates with the pituitary gland and stimulates the release of TSH. If your TSH is not being driven down by thyroid hormones, then perhaps the pituitary is not getting enough of it's signals. Don't ask me what they do with the TRH information because I have no idea, but an adrenal insufficiency is easily treated. When the adrenals cannot handle the thyroid energy, the pituitary decreases it's production of TSH so that the thyroid would make less T4. Having said that, it should give you more hypo symptoms so that's where I'm confused. Estrogen dominance can play a role too. In adrenal fatigue, the adrenals often take up progesterone to help it make the cortisol leaving you with an imbalance between the estrogens and the progesterone. Estrogen dominance with it's meriad of symptoms is very easy to treat. As a matter of fact, I used some progesterone cream once figuring that I was like the rest of the women my age, but it made me sooooo sick with migraines and everything. Once I had the labe tests, I knew why. I was not estrogen dominant at all and so I was only increasing the imbalance. So, I'm thinking that you need your adrenal hormones checked, your sex hormones checked and if nothing shows up there, the TRH test. That's probably more info than you bargained for on a Monday morning. Once again, I am just a lay person with thyroid disease who reads. I'm not an expert of any kind. Please just take my information as suggestions of things that you can explore further yourself. A lot of this info comes from www.drrind.com so you can check that out too. Good luck... Judy PS - what vitamins are you taking? I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Hi Sharon. Let me start by saying that this is only my opinion, based on tons of reading, but you definitely do have an imbalance there. First of all, I don't believe that summer heat can cause you to go hyper. I've taken thyroid hormones for 35 years and have not had to adapt for the seasons. Of course I'm hotter in the summer, but I don't ever get hyper symptoms like nervousness, high body temperature, shakiness, diarrhea etc. Hyper and hot are two quite different feelings. A low TSH CAN signify hyper in an unmedicated person, but it cannot make you hyper unless it's being driven down by the actual hormones T4 and T3. Since you don't have a T3 number, we can't tell if your TSH has been suppressed by it, but we can see that your T4 isn't at a suppressive level. So, the next thing that I would try to do is get a TSH, Free T4 and Free T3. If the FT3 is above range, then that would be what is pushing down your TSH. If your numbers are low to mid, and the TSH is that low, then you should actually feel more hypo since the pituitary is not sending out enough signals to the thyroid to secrete more hormones. Your symptoms can all be hyper for sure, but they can also be adrenal or pituitary in nature. According to Dr. Rind, when a person has a low TSH and low to normal T3 and T4 it can be indicative of pituitary problems or adrenal problems. I'm not sure what sort of health care you have in France, but next I would ask for a 24-hour adrenal test and a TRH test. TRH is a hormone released by the hypothalamus that communicates with the pituitary gland and stimulates the release of TSH. If your TSH is not being driven down by thyroid hormones, then perhaps the pituitary is not getting enough of it's signals. Don't ask me what they do with the TRH information because I have no idea, but an adrenal insufficiency is easily treated. When the adrenals cannot handle the thyroid energy, the pituitary decreases it's production of TSH so that the thyroid would make less T4. Having said that, it should give you more hypo symptoms so that's where I'm confused. Estrogen dominance can play a role too. In adrenal fatigue, the adrenals often take up progesterone to help it make the cortisol leaving you with an imbalance between the estrogens and the progesterone. Estrogen dominance with it's meriad of symptoms is very easy to treat. As a matter of fact, I used some progesterone cream once figuring that I was like the rest of the women my age, but it made me sooooo sick with migraines and everything. Once I had the labe tests, I knew why. I was not estrogen dominant at all and so I was only increasing the imbalance. So, I'm thinking that you need your adrenal hormones checked, your sex hormones checked and if nothing shows up there, the TRH test. That's probably more info than you bargained for on a Monday morning. Once again, I am just a lay person with thyroid disease who reads. I'm not an expert of any kind. Please just take my information as suggestions of things that you can explore further yourself. A lot of this info comes from www.drrind.com so you can check that out too. Good luck... Judy PS - what vitamins are you taking? I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Hi, Sharon, Welcome.... Low TSH alone does not indicate hyper... just as high TSH alone does not indicate hypo. TSH is the thyroid stimulating hormone. It's released by the pituitary gland to regulate thyroid gland activity. Think of it as a voice... The lower the TSH is the softer it's calling instruction to the thyroid gland, the higher the number, the louder it's hollering at the thyroid to get it's production up. A low TSH is indicating that your body has determined that the Thyroid needs to cut back on production. The thing is to determine why. You said that they tested your T4, do you know if it was total T4 (listed on the paperwork as Total T4 or T4) or was it Free T4 (listed several different ways, most use the word Free or the Letter F... .some say T4 or some say levothyroxine). Since your T4.. be it total (which is the less valuable test) or Free T4 (which tells us a LOT more of what is going on) wasn't high in it's range.... Your gland 'most likely' isn't over producing around the time the blood was drawn. We could tell a lot more if they have checked your Free T3 levels. That's going to tell us a lot more of what has been happening over time. You'll learn more of the chemistry involved with this as time passes (don't hesitate to ask questions, it's the best way to learn --- that goes for everyone here) Free T4 is the thyroid storage hormone.... Free T3 is the most used of the active thyroid hormones. (you can read a bit more about the hormones and tests at the web site www.thyrophoenix.com/thyroid_101.htm If your gland has been over producing for a while that would elevate your T4 storage... with a lot of T4 stored in your tissues, conversion will be kicked up leaving you with high levels of T3. Testing Free T3 will give us the info that will give a better idea as to whether or not you are truly hyper. High levels of T3 will kick up your body processes... heart rate, metabolic rate... etc.. that's hyper. The most common cause of thyroid disorders is an autoimmune disorder known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (Hashi's). Hashi's involves antibodies that decide that the thyroid gland is a foreign body and launch attacks against it. You'll learn more about this as you go... for now I'll simply say that Hashi's cycles. You can be hyper for a while... normal for a while.. then hypo for a while... and then back... it's like a pendulum... swinging back and forth as the antibody levels ebb and flow.... These cycles can vary in how long it takes... for some it's days, or weeks or months... it can even be over a period of years or decades. They do have tests for checking the level of antibodies in the blood.. these can tell you the level of antibodies at the time the blood is taken. Imagine that as being a snap shot in time of what the antibody level was at THAT time. Just because it was 'normal' at that time does not mean that antibodies are not involved. Antibody levels have to be checked several times over a period of time to see if they fluctuate. For most folks.... a hyper state involves specific physical symptoms... elevated heart rate increased appetite weight loss nervousness difficulty sleeping increased thirst increases frequency to the bathroom to empty bladder an bowel There are more... and not every one has all of the symptoms... and some folks are a bit different (for example its possible to be hyper and gain weight... ) One clue to having been in a hyper state is your finger nails. Take a look at your thumb nail... at the base of the nail there is a half moon shaped lighter area... now look at the nails on your fingers. Do they have half moons? A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, and I don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingers and will only have them on their thumbs. Another little 'ism' that seems to be common in folks that have been hyper for a while is that your fingers 'dance'. Hold your hand out, parallel to the floor, palm down. and about mid chest height. Hold in in a relaxed manner, not all stiff. Do your fingers twitch? If they do move a bit... can you hold them still if you really try hard? Do you feel warm a lot? I mean in a room of folks are you the one that is feeling MUCH warmer than the others in the room? Has your tongue ever cramped? I'll leave it at that.... we'll pick at it some more as we go. Too many vitamins causing a hyper state? Not that I've ever heard of. A person with nutritional deficiencies will often have lowered thyroid function. Supplements can help get the thyroid working properly again, depending on how much damage was done. But I've never heard of vitamins causing an over stimulation of the gland. Heat... We've discussed seasonal variations and environmental fluctuations here in the past... It seems that some folks will have a bit of an increased need for thyroid hormone during cold weather months, it involves kicking up the metabolic rate to maintain healthy body temp when it's REALLY cold out... we're talking sub freezing temps.. I've yet to read any real study on it... During a heat wave the body would want to kick down the metabolic rate to reduce the production of heat produced by the body, it would want to cut down on eating to reduce the amount of effort involved with digestion AND because fewer calories would be needed to maintain body temp. It doesn't make sense to be that the body would want go into a hyper state during a heat wave. Have you had any unusual food cravings? Hyperthyroidism can be caused by other things as well. A Hashi's hyper swing isn't the only thing. It could be another autoimmune disorder called Grave's disease. It could be cancer (not very common so don't freak on us!), it can also have a genetic cause... like me. I have a TSH receptor defect that caused me to go hyper... The things that come to my mind right now... Having some more tests run.... TSH Free T4 Free T3 Thyroid antibodies Ferritin ... and an ultrasound of the thyroid gland, again, to see if there is any change You may be hyper... I'm not saying that you are not.. but so far there isn't enough info with just running TSH and T4 to know. What is your resting heart rate? (sit quietly for about 20 minutes and then check) Hyper sucks... I was increasingly hyper from puberty until I was in my early 30s and then went into thyroid storm... by the time a doc figured out what was wrong I didn't have any treatment options, they had to kill my gland before it killed me... whole long story.. I'm 49 now and dealing with life without a thyroid gland. So.... I think it is very important to determine what is going on and take steps sooner, rather than later. In the mean time... ask questions... read.... learn... ask more questions... Don't freak out or panic but don't just 'wait and see what happens' either... We learn from each other here.. Topper () On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:24:58 -0000 " beryl1991 " writes: > I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling > terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other > respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH > was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and > ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies > all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The > endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the > hot > weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, > diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said > this > was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - > is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a > heatwave? > > Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? > > Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with > this disease. > > Sharon in France Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Hi, Sharon, Welcome.... Low TSH alone does not indicate hyper... just as high TSH alone does not indicate hypo. TSH is the thyroid stimulating hormone. It's released by the pituitary gland to regulate thyroid gland activity. Think of it as a voice... The lower the TSH is the softer it's calling instruction to the thyroid gland, the higher the number, the louder it's hollering at the thyroid to get it's production up. A low TSH is indicating that your body has determined that the Thyroid needs to cut back on production. The thing is to determine why. You said that they tested your T4, do you know if it was total T4 (listed on the paperwork as Total T4 or T4) or was it Free T4 (listed several different ways, most use the word Free or the Letter F... .some say T4 or some say levothyroxine). Since your T4.. be it total (which is the less valuable test) or Free T4 (which tells us a LOT more of what is going on) wasn't high in it's range.... Your gland 'most likely' isn't over producing around the time the blood was drawn. We could tell a lot more if they have checked your Free T3 levels. That's going to tell us a lot more of what has been happening over time. You'll learn more of the chemistry involved with this as time passes (don't hesitate to ask questions, it's the best way to learn --- that goes for everyone here) Free T4 is the thyroid storage hormone.... Free T3 is the most used of the active thyroid hormones. (you can read a bit more about the hormones and tests at the web site www.thyrophoenix.com/thyroid_101.htm If your gland has been over producing for a while that would elevate your T4 storage... with a lot of T4 stored in your tissues, conversion will be kicked up leaving you with high levels of T3. Testing Free T3 will give us the info that will give a better idea as to whether or not you are truly hyper. High levels of T3 will kick up your body processes... heart rate, metabolic rate... etc.. that's hyper. The most common cause of thyroid disorders is an autoimmune disorder known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (Hashi's). Hashi's involves antibodies that decide that the thyroid gland is a foreign body and launch attacks against it. You'll learn more about this as you go... for now I'll simply say that Hashi's cycles. You can be hyper for a while... normal for a while.. then hypo for a while... and then back... it's like a pendulum... swinging back and forth as the antibody levels ebb and flow.... These cycles can vary in how long it takes... for some it's days, or weeks or months... it can even be over a period of years or decades. They do have tests for checking the level of antibodies in the blood.. these can tell you the level of antibodies at the time the blood is taken. Imagine that as being a snap shot in time of what the antibody level was at THAT time. Just because it was 'normal' at that time does not mean that antibodies are not involved. Antibody levels have to be checked several times over a period of time to see if they fluctuate. For most folks.... a hyper state involves specific physical symptoms... elevated heart rate increased appetite weight loss nervousness difficulty sleeping increased thirst increases frequency to the bathroom to empty bladder an bowel There are more... and not every one has all of the symptoms... and some folks are a bit different (for example its possible to be hyper and gain weight... ) One clue to having been in a hyper state is your finger nails. Take a look at your thumb nail... at the base of the nail there is a half moon shaped lighter area... now look at the nails on your fingers. Do they have half moons? A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, and I don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingers and will only have them on their thumbs. Another little 'ism' that seems to be common in folks that have been hyper for a while is that your fingers 'dance'. Hold your hand out, parallel to the floor, palm down. and about mid chest height. Hold in in a relaxed manner, not all stiff. Do your fingers twitch? If they do move a bit... can you hold them still if you really try hard? Do you feel warm a lot? I mean in a room of folks are you the one that is feeling MUCH warmer than the others in the room? Has your tongue ever cramped? I'll leave it at that.... we'll pick at it some more as we go. Too many vitamins causing a hyper state? Not that I've ever heard of. A person with nutritional deficiencies will often have lowered thyroid function. Supplements can help get the thyroid working properly again, depending on how much damage was done. But I've never heard of vitamins causing an over stimulation of the gland. Heat... We've discussed seasonal variations and environmental fluctuations here in the past... It seems that some folks will have a bit of an increased need for thyroid hormone during cold weather months, it involves kicking up the metabolic rate to maintain healthy body temp when it's REALLY cold out... we're talking sub freezing temps.. I've yet to read any real study on it... During a heat wave the body would want to kick down the metabolic rate to reduce the production of heat produced by the body, it would want to cut down on eating to reduce the amount of effort involved with digestion AND because fewer calories would be needed to maintain body temp. It doesn't make sense to be that the body would want go into a hyper state during a heat wave. Have you had any unusual food cravings? Hyperthyroidism can be caused by other things as well. A Hashi's hyper swing isn't the only thing. It could be another autoimmune disorder called Grave's disease. It could be cancer (not very common so don't freak on us!), it can also have a genetic cause... like me. I have a TSH receptor defect that caused me to go hyper... The things that come to my mind right now... Having some more tests run.... TSH Free T4 Free T3 Thyroid antibodies Ferritin ... and an ultrasound of the thyroid gland, again, to see if there is any change You may be hyper... I'm not saying that you are not.. but so far there isn't enough info with just running TSH and T4 to know. What is your resting heart rate? (sit quietly for about 20 minutes and then check) Hyper sucks... I was increasingly hyper from puberty until I was in my early 30s and then went into thyroid storm... by the time a doc figured out what was wrong I didn't have any treatment options, they had to kill my gland before it killed me... whole long story.. I'm 49 now and dealing with life without a thyroid gland. So.... I think it is very important to determine what is going on and take steps sooner, rather than later. In the mean time... ask questions... read.... learn... ask more questions... Don't freak out or panic but don't just 'wait and see what happens' either... We learn from each other here.. Topper () On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:24:58 -0000 " beryl1991 " writes: > I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling > terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other > respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH > was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and > ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies > all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The > endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the > hot > weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, > diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said > this > was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - > is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a > heatwave? > > Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? > > Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with > this disease. > > Sharon in France Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 One clue to having been in a hyper state is your finger nails. Take alook at your thumb nail... at the base of the nail there is a half moonshaped lighter area... now look at the nails on your fingers. Do theyhave half moons? A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, andI don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingersand will only have them on their thumbs. /////////////////////// Low B12 can cause this as well-although, I regularly supplement B12 and have good levels (never under 700) and have still lost my 'moons'. I am hypo-not hyper. Another little 'ism' that seems to be common in folks that have beenhyper for a while is that your fingers 'dance'. Hold your hand out,parallel to the floor, palm down. and about mid chest height. Hold in ina relaxed manner, not all stiff. Do your fingers twitch? If they do movea bit... can you hold them still if you really try hard?/////////////////// Again, I'm hypo and can't hold my hands still. In high school, my friends used to joke that they didn't understand how I got food in my mouth the way my hands shook! Do you feel warm a lot? I mean in a room of folks are you the one that isfeeling MUCH warmer than the others in the room? /////////////////////////////// I FREEZE! Always-even in Florida in July. ____________________________ in *HHH* Jerseyopen proximal rny 9/18/015'9"-31yo297/168I'm not a doc-in real life or otherwise.***HHH=hot, hazy, & humid!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, and I don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingers and will only have them on their thumbs. /////////////////////// Low B12 can cause this as well-although, I regularly supplement B12 and have good levels (never under 700) and have still lost my 'moons'. I am hypo-not hyper. Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory? Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Haha, thanks Sue. I'm sure we're all sitting here looking at our hands. I only have those moons on my thumbs too, and I'm as hypo as they come. With my reading glasses I can see a trace of one on the index and middle fingers of my right hand, but not a glimmer anywhere else... Judy Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory? __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Haha, thanks Sue. I'm sure we're all sitting here looking at our hands. I only have those moons on my thumbs too, and I'm as hypo as they come. With my reading glasses I can see a trace of one on the index and middle fingers of my right hand, but not a glimmer anywhere else... Judy Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory? __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Haha, thanks Sue. I'm sure we're all sitting here looking at our hands. I only have those moons on my thumbs too, and I'm as hypo as they come. With my reading glasses I can see a trace of one on the index and middle fingers of my right hand, but not a glimmer anywhere else... Judy Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory? __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Do you guys have Hashi's...? A Hashi hyper phase will drop the moons too.... Topper () On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:37:34 -0500 JustYourTypeDTP writes: A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, andI don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingersand will only have them on their thumbs.///////////////////////Low B12 can cause this as well-although, I regularly supplement B12 and have good levels (never under 700) and have still lost my 'moons'. I am hypo-not hyper.Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory?Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Do you guys have Hashi's...? A Hashi hyper phase will drop the moons too.... Topper () On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:37:34 -0500 JustYourTypeDTP writes: A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, andI don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingersand will only have them on their thumbs.///////////////////////Low B12 can cause this as well-although, I regularly supplement B12 and have good levels (never under 700) and have still lost my 'moons'. I am hypo-not hyper.Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory?Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Do you guys have Hashi's...? A Hashi hyper phase will drop the moons too.... Topper () On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:37:34 -0500 JustYourTypeDTP writes: A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, andI don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingersand will only have them on their thumbs.///////////////////////Low B12 can cause this as well-although, I regularly supplement B12 and have good levels (never under 700) and have still lost my 'moons'. I am hypo-not hyper.Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory?Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 A doc that is GOOD with thyroid is gonna look at finger nails even before running labs when a person comes in with symptoms of thyroid problems... Topper () On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Judy P writes: Haha, thanks Sue. I'm sure we're all sitting here looking at our hands. I only have those moons on my thumbs too, and I'm as hypo as they come. With my reading glasses I can see a trace of one on the index and middle fingers of my right hand, but not a glimmer anywhere else... Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 A doc that is GOOD with thyroid is gonna look at finger nails even before running labs when a person comes in with symptoms of thyroid problems... Topper () On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Judy P writes: Haha, thanks Sue. I'm sure we're all sitting here looking at our hands. I only have those moons on my thumbs too, and I'm as hypo as they come. With my reading glasses I can see a trace of one on the index and middle fingers of my right hand, but not a glimmer anywhere else... Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 I am HASHI HYPO not hyper. Sue Do you guys have Hashi's...? A Hashi hyper phase will drop the moons too.... Topper () On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:37:34 -0500 JustYourTypeDTP writes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 I am HASHI HYPO not hyper. Sue Do you guys have Hashi's...? A Hashi hyper phase will drop the moons too.... Topper () On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:37:34 -0500 JustYourTypeDTP writes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 I am HASHI HYPO not hyper. Sue Do you guys have Hashi's...? A Hashi hyper phase will drop the moons too.... Topper () On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:37:34 -0500 JustYourTypeDTP writes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 I got something LIKE that when I had heatstroke real bad once, but it only lasted a couple days. Several weeks don't sound like it's related to the heat to me. Spiffberyl1991 wrote: I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 I got something LIKE that when I had heatstroke real bad once, but it only lasted a couple days. Several weeks don't sound like it's related to the heat to me. Spiffberyl1991 wrote: I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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