Re: Help please!

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I don't know the answer, but I would suspect that the hot weather didn't cause your hyperthyroidism. Have you ever had a thyroid problem in the past? I will let the others here who know about hyperthyroidism answer your questions, I have hypothyroidism, and don't know much about hyper.

Good luck with finding out the cause.

Help please!

I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I don't know the answer, but I would suspect that the hot weather didn't cause your hyperthyroidism. Have you ever had a thyroid problem in the past? I will let the others here who know about hyperthyroidism answer your questions, I have hypothyroidism, and don't know much about hyper.

Good luck with finding out the cause.

Help please!

I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I don't know the answer, but I would suspect that the hot weather didn't cause your hyperthyroidism. Have you ever had a thyroid problem in the past? I will let the others here who know about hyperthyroidism answer your questions, I have hypothyroidism, and don't know much about hyper.

Good luck with finding out the cause.

Help please!

I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

Welcome to our little family and to help us to help you can you also

include the ranges of the tests that were done. Most labs have set

values even though there are reccommended ones by the governing

bodies. If temperature had anything to do with being hyper then as

a hypo last year when we had heat for about 10 weeks straight in the

region of 110-120 then I should not have needed my meds, but I did.

To me that is not a logical reply that you got. It would also mean

that as soon as the weather changed we would all have to keep

adjusting our meds whether we are hypo or hyper. One explaination

could be that your thyroid is on the blink and is kicking in and out

and going really funky by going from one extreme to another. Let us

know the ranges and how you are feeling now and we will do our best

to help. Just remember we all speak from our own experience and

what we learn from each other. Glad you are here

Dawn in Canada

>

> I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after

feeling

> terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other

> respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but

TSH

> was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and

> ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26.

Antibodies

> all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The

> endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the

hot

> weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue,

> diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said

this

> was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday -

is

> it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a

heatwave?

>

> Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins?

>

> Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering

with

> this disease.

>

> Sharon in France

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

Welcome to our little family and to help us to help you can you also

include the ranges of the tests that were done. Most labs have set

values even though there are reccommended ones by the governing

bodies. If temperature had anything to do with being hyper then as

a hypo last year when we had heat for about 10 weeks straight in the

region of 110-120 then I should not have needed my meds, but I did.

To me that is not a logical reply that you got. It would also mean

that as soon as the weather changed we would all have to keep

adjusting our meds whether we are hypo or hyper. One explaination

could be that your thyroid is on the blink and is kicking in and out

and going really funky by going from one extreme to another. Let us

know the ranges and how you are feeling now and we will do our best

to help. Just remember we all speak from our own experience and

what we learn from each other. Glad you are here

Dawn in Canada

>

> I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after

feeling

> terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other

> respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but

TSH

> was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and

> ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26.

Antibodies

> all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The

> endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the

hot

> weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue,

> diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said

this

> was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday -

is

> it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a

heatwave?

>

> Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins?

>

> Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering

with

> this disease.

>

> Sharon in France

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dawn , thanks for your welcome! The range for TSH here is 0.40

to 4.40. (I think this is Centaur-Bayer Merveille Aupetit?) On 23

June mine was 0.04 and two weeks later it was 0.26 (last year it was

1.97) The T4 was mid range both times, so absolutely normal and the

antibodies (which should be below 60) were 24 UI/ml anti-

thyroglobuline and 31 antithyroperoxidase, so also ok. Anyway my GP

thought it advisable to have the ultrasound which also proved

absolutely normal, but even so he wanted me to see the specialist.

I have searched the web and found mentions of temporary hyper being

caused by overdoing the multivitamins, but never any mention of the

heat! I too find it hard to credit. I'm feeling fine now, just

wanted to know more about it. I would add that I have been feeling

awful on and off for about 8 years but blood tests always showed

thyroid ok, till this summer. Many thanks for taking the trouble.

Kind wishes, Sharon

> >

> > I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after

> feeling

> > terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other

> > respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but

> TSH

> > was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and

> > ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26.

> Antibodies

> > all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The

> > endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the

> hot

> > weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue,

> > diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said

> this

> > was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on

Saturday -

> is

> > it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a

> heatwave?

> >

> > Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins?

> >

> > Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering

> with

> > this disease.

> >

> > Sharon in France

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon. Let me start by saying that this is only my opinion, based on tons of reading, but you definitely do have an imbalance there.

First of all, I don't believe that summer heat can cause you to go hyper. I've taken thyroid hormones for 35 years and have not had to adapt for the seasons. Of course I'm hotter in the summer, but I don't ever get hyper symptoms like nervousness, high body temperature, shakiness, diarrhea etc. Hyper and hot are two quite different feelings.

A low TSH CAN signify hyper in an unmedicated person, but it cannot make you hyper unless it's being driven down by the actual hormones T4 and T3. Since you don't have a T3 number, we can't tell if your TSH has been suppressed by it, but we can see that your T4 isn't at a suppressive level. So, the next thing that I would try to do is get a TSH, Free T4 and Free T3. If the FT3 is above range, then that would be what is pushing down your TSH. If your numbers are low to mid, and the TSH is that low, then you should actually feel more hypo since the pituitary is not sending out enough signals to the thyroid to secrete more hormones.

Your symptoms can all be hyper for sure, but they can also be adrenal or pituitary in nature. According to Dr. Rind, when a person has a low TSH and low to normal T3 and T4 it can be indicative of pituitary problems or adrenal problems.

I'm not sure what sort of health care you have in France, but next I would ask for a 24-hour adrenal test and a TRH test. TRH is a hormone released by the hypothalamus that communicates with the pituitary gland and stimulates the release of TSH. If your TSH is not being driven down by thyroid hormones, then perhaps the pituitary is not getting enough of it's signals. Don't ask me what they do with the TRH information because I have no idea, but an adrenal insufficiency is easily treated. When the adrenals cannot handle the thyroid energy, the pituitary decreases it's production of TSH so that the thyroid would make less T4. Having said that, it should give you more hypo symptoms so that's where I'm confused.

Estrogen dominance can play a role too. In adrenal fatigue, the adrenals often take up progesterone to help it make the cortisol leaving you with an imbalance between the estrogens and the progesterone. Estrogen dominance with it's meriad of symptoms is very easy to treat. As a matter of fact, I used some progesterone cream once figuring that I was like the rest of the women my age, but it made me sooooo sick with migraines and everything. Once I had the labe tests, I knew why. I was not estrogen dominant at all and so I was only increasing the imbalance.

So, I'm thinking that you need your adrenal hormones checked, your sex hormones checked and if nothing shows up there, the TRH test. That's probably more info than you bargained for on a Monday morning.

Once again, I am just a lay person with thyroid disease who reads. I'm not an expert of any kind. Please just take my information as suggestions of things that you can explore further yourself. A lot of this info comes from www.drrind.com so you can check that out too. Good luck... Judy

PS - what vitamins are you taking?

I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon. Let me start by saying that this is only my opinion, based on tons of reading, but you definitely do have an imbalance there.

First of all, I don't believe that summer heat can cause you to go hyper. I've taken thyroid hormones for 35 years and have not had to adapt for the seasons. Of course I'm hotter in the summer, but I don't ever get hyper symptoms like nervousness, high body temperature, shakiness, diarrhea etc. Hyper and hot are two quite different feelings.

A low TSH CAN signify hyper in an unmedicated person, but it cannot make you hyper unless it's being driven down by the actual hormones T4 and T3. Since you don't have a T3 number, we can't tell if your TSH has been suppressed by it, but we can see that your T4 isn't at a suppressive level. So, the next thing that I would try to do is get a TSH, Free T4 and Free T3. If the FT3 is above range, then that would be what is pushing down your TSH. If your numbers are low to mid, and the TSH is that low, then you should actually feel more hypo since the pituitary is not sending out enough signals to the thyroid to secrete more hormones.

Your symptoms can all be hyper for sure, but they can also be adrenal or pituitary in nature. According to Dr. Rind, when a person has a low TSH and low to normal T3 and T4 it can be indicative of pituitary problems or adrenal problems.

I'm not sure what sort of health care you have in France, but next I would ask for a 24-hour adrenal test and a TRH test. TRH is a hormone released by the hypothalamus that communicates with the pituitary gland and stimulates the release of TSH. If your TSH is not being driven down by thyroid hormones, then perhaps the pituitary is not getting enough of it's signals. Don't ask me what they do with the TRH information because I have no idea, but an adrenal insufficiency is easily treated. When the adrenals cannot handle the thyroid energy, the pituitary decreases it's production of TSH so that the thyroid would make less T4. Having said that, it should give you more hypo symptoms so that's where I'm confused.

Estrogen dominance can play a role too. In adrenal fatigue, the adrenals often take up progesterone to help it make the cortisol leaving you with an imbalance between the estrogens and the progesterone. Estrogen dominance with it's meriad of symptoms is very easy to treat. As a matter of fact, I used some progesterone cream once figuring that I was like the rest of the women my age, but it made me sooooo sick with migraines and everything. Once I had the labe tests, I knew why. I was not estrogen dominant at all and so I was only increasing the imbalance.

So, I'm thinking that you need your adrenal hormones checked, your sex hormones checked and if nothing shows up there, the TRH test. That's probably more info than you bargained for on a Monday morning.

Once again, I am just a lay person with thyroid disease who reads. I'm not an expert of any kind. Please just take my information as suggestions of things that you can explore further yourself. A lot of this info comes from www.drrind.com so you can check that out too. Good luck... Judy

PS - what vitamins are you taking?

I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Sharon, Welcome....

Low TSH alone does not indicate hyper... just as high TSH alone does not

indicate hypo.

TSH is the thyroid stimulating hormone. It's released by the pituitary

gland to regulate thyroid gland activity. Think of it as a voice... The

lower the TSH is the softer it's calling instruction to the thyroid

gland, the higher the number, the louder it's hollering at the thyroid to

get it's production up.

A low TSH is indicating that your body has determined that the Thyroid

needs to cut back on production.

The thing is to determine why.

You said that they tested your T4, do you know if it was total T4 (listed

on the paperwork as Total T4 or T4) or was it Free T4 (listed several

different ways, most use the word Free or the Letter F... .some say T4 or

some say levothyroxine).

Since your T4.. be it total (which is the less valuable test) or Free T4

(which tells us a LOT more of what is going on) wasn't high in it's

range.... Your gland 'most likely' isn't over producing around the time

the blood was drawn.

We could tell a lot more if they have checked your Free T3 levels. That's

going to tell us a lot more of what has been happening over time.

You'll learn more of the chemistry involved with this as time passes

(don't hesitate to ask questions, it's the best way to learn --- that

goes for everyone here) Free T4 is the thyroid storage hormone.... Free

T3 is the most used of the active thyroid hormones. (you can read a bit

more about the hormones and tests at the web site

www.thyrophoenix.com/thyroid_101.htm If your gland has been over

producing for a while that would elevate your T4 storage... with a lot of

T4 stored in your tissues, conversion will be kicked up leaving you with

high levels of T3. Testing Free T3 will give us the info that will give a

better idea as to whether or not you are truly hyper.

High levels of T3 will kick up your body processes... heart rate,

metabolic rate... etc.. that's hyper.

The most common cause of thyroid disorders is an autoimmune disorder

known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (Hashi's). Hashi's involves antibodies

that decide that the thyroid gland is a foreign body and launch attacks

against it. You'll learn more about this as you go... for now I'll simply

say that Hashi's cycles. You can be hyper for a while... normal for a

while.. then hypo for a while... and then back... it's like a pendulum...

swinging back and forth as the antibody levels ebb and flow.... These

cycles can vary in how long it takes... for some it's days, or weeks or

months... it can even be over a period of years or decades.

They do have tests for checking the level of antibodies in the blood..

these can tell you the level of antibodies at the time the blood is

taken. Imagine that as being a snap shot in time of what the antibody

level was at THAT time. Just because it was 'normal' at that time does

not mean that antibodies are not involved.

Antibody levels have to be checked several times over a period of time to

see if they fluctuate.

For most folks.... a hyper state involves specific physical symptoms...

elevated heart rate

increased appetite

weight loss

nervousness

difficulty sleeping

increased thirst

increases frequency to the bathroom to empty bladder an bowel

There are more... and not every one has all of the symptoms... and some

folks are a bit different (for example its possible to be hyper and gain

weight... )

One clue to having been in a hyper state is your finger nails. Take a

look at your thumb nail... at the base of the nail there is a half moon

shaped lighter area... now look at the nails on your fingers. Do they

have half moons? A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, and

I don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingers

and will only have them on their thumbs.

Another little 'ism' that seems to be common in folks that have been

hyper for a while is that your fingers 'dance'. Hold your hand out,

parallel to the floor, palm down. and about mid chest height. Hold in in

a relaxed manner, not all stiff. Do your fingers twitch? If they do move

a bit... can you hold them still if you really try hard?

Do you feel warm a lot? I mean in a room of folks are you the one that is

feeling MUCH warmer than the others in the room?

Has your tongue ever cramped?

I'll leave it at that.... we'll pick at it some more as we go.

Too many vitamins causing a hyper state? Not that I've ever heard of. A

person with nutritional deficiencies will often have lowered thyroid

function. Supplements can help get the thyroid working properly again,

depending on how much damage was done. But I've never heard of vitamins

causing an over stimulation of the gland.

Heat... We've discussed seasonal variations and environmental

fluctuations here in the past... It seems that some folks will have a bit

of an increased need for thyroid hormone during cold weather months, it

involves kicking up the metabolic rate to maintain healthy body temp when

it's REALLY cold out... we're talking sub freezing temps.. I've yet to

read any real study on it... During a heat wave the body would want to

kick down the metabolic rate to reduce the production of heat produced by

the body, it would want to cut down on eating to reduce the amount of

effort involved with digestion AND because fewer calories would be needed

to maintain body temp. It doesn't make sense to be that the body would

want go into a hyper state during a heat wave.

Have you had any unusual food cravings?

Hyperthyroidism can be caused by other things as well. A Hashi's hyper

swing isn't the only thing. It could be another autoimmune disorder

called Grave's disease. It could be cancer (not very common so don't

freak on us!), it can also have a genetic cause... like me. I have a TSH

receptor defect that caused me to go hyper...

The things that come to my mind right now... Having some more tests

run....

TSH

Free T4

Free T3

Thyroid antibodies

Ferritin

... and an ultrasound of the thyroid gland, again, to see if there is any

change

You may be hyper... I'm not saying that you are not.. but so far there

isn't enough info with just running TSH and T4 to know.

What is your resting heart rate? (sit quietly for about 20 minutes and

then check)

Hyper sucks... I was increasingly hyper from puberty until I was in my

early 30s and then went into thyroid storm... by the time a doc figured

out what was wrong I didn't have any treatment options, they had to kill

my gland before it killed me... whole long story.. I'm 49 now and dealing

with life without a thyroid gland. So.... I think it is very important

to determine what is going on and take steps sooner, rather than later.

In the mean time... ask questions... read.... learn... ask more

questions... Don't freak out or panic but don't just 'wait and see what

happens' either... We learn from each other here..

Topper ()

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:24:58 -0000 " beryl1991 "

writes:

> I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling

> terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other

> respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH

> was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and

> ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies

> all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The

> endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the

> hot

> weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue,

> diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said

> this

> was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday -

> is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a

> heatwave?

>

> Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins?

>

> Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with

> this disease.

>

> Sharon in France

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sharon, Welcome....

Low TSH alone does not indicate hyper... just as high TSH alone does not

indicate hypo.

TSH is the thyroid stimulating hormone. It's released by the pituitary

gland to regulate thyroid gland activity. Think of it as a voice... The

lower the TSH is the softer it's calling instruction to the thyroid

gland, the higher the number, the louder it's hollering at the thyroid to

get it's production up.

A low TSH is indicating that your body has determined that the Thyroid

needs to cut back on production.

The thing is to determine why.

You said that they tested your T4, do you know if it was total T4 (listed

on the paperwork as Total T4 or T4) or was it Free T4 (listed several

different ways, most use the word Free or the Letter F... .some say T4 or

some say levothyroxine).

Since your T4.. be it total (which is the less valuable test) or Free T4

(which tells us a LOT more of what is going on) wasn't high in it's

range.... Your gland 'most likely' isn't over producing around the time

the blood was drawn.

We could tell a lot more if they have checked your Free T3 levels. That's

going to tell us a lot more of what has been happening over time.

You'll learn more of the chemistry involved with this as time passes

(don't hesitate to ask questions, it's the best way to learn --- that

goes for everyone here) Free T4 is the thyroid storage hormone.... Free

T3 is the most used of the active thyroid hormones. (you can read a bit

more about the hormones and tests at the web site

www.thyrophoenix.com/thyroid_101.htm If your gland has been over

producing for a while that would elevate your T4 storage... with a lot of

T4 stored in your tissues, conversion will be kicked up leaving you with

high levels of T3. Testing Free T3 will give us the info that will give a

better idea as to whether or not you are truly hyper.

High levels of T3 will kick up your body processes... heart rate,

metabolic rate... etc.. that's hyper.

The most common cause of thyroid disorders is an autoimmune disorder

known as Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (Hashi's). Hashi's involves antibodies

that decide that the thyroid gland is a foreign body and launch attacks

against it. You'll learn more about this as you go... for now I'll simply

say that Hashi's cycles. You can be hyper for a while... normal for a

while.. then hypo for a while... and then back... it's like a pendulum...

swinging back and forth as the antibody levels ebb and flow.... These

cycles can vary in how long it takes... for some it's days, or weeks or

months... it can even be over a period of years or decades.

They do have tests for checking the level of antibodies in the blood..

these can tell you the level of antibodies at the time the blood is

taken. Imagine that as being a snap shot in time of what the antibody

level was at THAT time. Just because it was 'normal' at that time does

not mean that antibodies are not involved.

Antibody levels have to be checked several times over a period of time to

see if they fluctuate.

For most folks.... a hyper state involves specific physical symptoms...

elevated heart rate

increased appetite

weight loss

nervousness

difficulty sleeping

increased thirst

increases frequency to the bathroom to empty bladder an bowel

There are more... and not every one has all of the symptoms... and some

folks are a bit different (for example its possible to be hyper and gain

weight... )

One clue to having been in a hyper state is your finger nails. Take a

look at your thumb nail... at the base of the nail there is a half moon

shaped lighter area... now look at the nails on your fingers. Do they

have half moons? A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, and

I don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingers

and will only have them on their thumbs.

Another little 'ism' that seems to be common in folks that have been

hyper for a while is that your fingers 'dance'. Hold your hand out,

parallel to the floor, palm down. and about mid chest height. Hold in in

a relaxed manner, not all stiff. Do your fingers twitch? If they do move

a bit... can you hold them still if you really try hard?

Do you feel warm a lot? I mean in a room of folks are you the one that is

feeling MUCH warmer than the others in the room?

Has your tongue ever cramped?

I'll leave it at that.... we'll pick at it some more as we go.

Too many vitamins causing a hyper state? Not that I've ever heard of. A

person with nutritional deficiencies will often have lowered thyroid

function. Supplements can help get the thyroid working properly again,

depending on how much damage was done. But I've never heard of vitamins

causing an over stimulation of the gland.

Heat... We've discussed seasonal variations and environmental

fluctuations here in the past... It seems that some folks will have a bit

of an increased need for thyroid hormone during cold weather months, it

involves kicking up the metabolic rate to maintain healthy body temp when

it's REALLY cold out... we're talking sub freezing temps.. I've yet to

read any real study on it... During a heat wave the body would want to

kick down the metabolic rate to reduce the production of heat produced by

the body, it would want to cut down on eating to reduce the amount of

effort involved with digestion AND because fewer calories would be needed

to maintain body temp. It doesn't make sense to be that the body would

want go into a hyper state during a heat wave.

Have you had any unusual food cravings?

Hyperthyroidism can be caused by other things as well. A Hashi's hyper

swing isn't the only thing. It could be another autoimmune disorder

called Grave's disease. It could be cancer (not very common so don't

freak on us!), it can also have a genetic cause... like me. I have a TSH

receptor defect that caused me to go hyper...

The things that come to my mind right now... Having some more tests

run....

TSH

Free T4

Free T3

Thyroid antibodies

Ferritin

... and an ultrasound of the thyroid gland, again, to see if there is any

change

You may be hyper... I'm not saying that you are not.. but so far there

isn't enough info with just running TSH and T4 to know.

What is your resting heart rate? (sit quietly for about 20 minutes and

then check)

Hyper sucks... I was increasingly hyper from puberty until I was in my

early 30s and then went into thyroid storm... by the time a doc figured

out what was wrong I didn't have any treatment options, they had to kill

my gland before it killed me... whole long story.. I'm 49 now and dealing

with life without a thyroid gland. So.... I think it is very important

to determine what is going on and take steps sooner, rather than later.

In the mean time... ask questions... read.... learn... ask more

questions... Don't freak out or panic but don't just 'wait and see what

happens' either... We learn from each other here..

Topper ()

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:24:58 -0000 " beryl1991 "

writes:

> I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling

> terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other

> respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH

> was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and

> ulltrasound. The T4 was again normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies

> all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The

> endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the

> hot

> weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue,

> diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said

> this

> was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday -

> is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a

> heatwave?

>

> Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins?

>

> Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with

> this disease.

>

> Sharon in France

[Guest guest]

One clue to having been in a hyper state is your finger nails. Take alook at your thumb nail... at the base of the nail there is a half moonshaped lighter area... now look at the nails on your fingers. Do theyhave half moons? A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, andI don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingersand will only have them on their thumbs.

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Low B12 can cause this as well-although, I regularly supplement B12 and have good levels (never under 700) and have still lost my 'moons'. I am hypo-not hyper.

Another little 'ism' that seems to be common in folks that have beenhyper for a while is that your fingers 'dance'. Hold your hand out,parallel to the floor, palm down. and about mid chest height. Hold in ina relaxed manner, not all stiff. Do your fingers twitch? If they do movea bit... can you hold them still if you really try hard?///////////////////

Again, I'm hypo and can't hold my hands still. In high school, my friends used to joke that they didn't understand how I got food in my mouth the way my hands shook!

Do you feel warm a lot? I mean in a room of folks are you the one that isfeeling MUCH warmer than the others in the room?

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I FREEZE! Always-even in Florida in July.

____________________________ in *HHH* Jerseyopen proximal rny 9/18/015'9"-31yo297/168I'm not a doc-in real life or otherwise.***HHH=hot, hazy, & humid!!!

[Guest guest]

A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, and

I don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingers

and will only have them on their thumbs.

///////////////////////

Low B12 can cause this as well-although, I regularly supplement B12 and have good levels (never under 700) and have still lost my 'moons'. I am hypo-not hyper.

Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory?

Sue

[Guest guest]

Haha, thanks Sue. I'm sure we're all sitting here looking at our hands. I only have those moons on my thumbs too, and I'm as hypo as they come. With my reading glasses I can see a trace of one on the index and middle fingers of my right hand, but not a glimmer anywhere else... Judy

Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory?

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Haha, thanks Sue. I'm sure we're all sitting here looking at our hands. I only have those moons on my thumbs too, and I'm as hypo as they come. With my reading glasses I can see a trace of one on the index and middle fingers of my right hand, but not a glimmer anywhere else... Judy

Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory?

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Haha, thanks Sue. I'm sure we're all sitting here looking at our hands. I only have those moons on my thumbs too, and I'm as hypo as they come. With my reading glasses I can see a trace of one on the index and middle fingers of my right hand, but not a glimmer anywhere else... Judy

Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory?

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Do you guys have Hashi's...? A Hashi hyper phase will drop the moons too....

Topper ()

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:37:34 -0500 JustYourTypeDTP writes:

A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, andI don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingersand will only have them on their thumbs.///////////////////////Low B12 can cause this as well-although, I regularly supplement B12 and have good levels (never under 700) and have still lost my 'moons'. I am hypo-not hyper.Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory?Sue

[Guest guest]

Do you guys have Hashi's...? A Hashi hyper phase will drop the moons too....

Topper ()

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:37:34 -0500 JustYourTypeDTP writes:

A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, andI don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingersand will only have them on their thumbs.///////////////////////Low B12 can cause this as well-although, I regularly supplement B12 and have good levels (never under 700) and have still lost my 'moons'. I am hypo-not hyper.Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory?Sue

[Guest guest]

Do you guys have Hashi's...? A Hashi hyper phase will drop the moons too....

Topper ()

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:37:34 -0500 JustYourTypeDTP writes:

A person that has been hyper (for a period of time, andI don't know how long that is) will lose the half moons on their fingersand will only have them on their thumbs.///////////////////////Low B12 can cause this as well-although, I regularly supplement B12 and have good levels (never under 700) and have still lost my 'moons'. I am hypo-not hyper.Me too, and I have never had half moons on any fingers I can remember other than my thumbs. And I am also hypo. I had my B12 checked recently and it was above mid level, any other ideas on this half moon theory?Sue

[Guest guest]

A doc that is GOOD with thyroid is gonna look at finger nails even before running labs when a person comes in with symptoms of thyroid problems...

Topper ()

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Judy P writes:

Haha, thanks Sue. I'm sure we're all sitting here looking at our hands. I only have those moons on my thumbs too, and I'm as hypo as they come. With my reading glasses I can see a trace of one on the index and middle fingers of my right hand, but not a glimmer anywhere else... Judy

[Guest guest]

A doc that is GOOD with thyroid is gonna look at finger nails even before running labs when a person comes in with symptoms of thyroid problems...

Topper ()

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Judy P writes:

Haha, thanks Sue. I'm sure we're all sitting here looking at our hands. I only have those moons on my thumbs too, and I'm as hypo as they come. With my reading glasses I can see a trace of one on the index and middle fingers of my right hand, but not a glimmer anywhere else... Judy

[Guest guest]

I am HASHI HYPO not hyper.

Sue

Do you guys have Hashi's...? A Hashi hyper phase will drop the moons too....

Topper ()

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:37:34 -0500 JustYourTypeDTP writes:

[Guest guest]

I am HASHI HYPO not hyper.

Sue

Do you guys have Hashi's...? A Hashi hyper phase will drop the moons too....

Topper ()

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:37:34 -0500 JustYourTypeDTP writes:

[Guest guest]

I am HASHI HYPO not hyper.

Sue

Do you guys have Hashi's...? A Hashi hyper phase will drop the moons too....

Topper ()

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:37:34 -0500 JustYourTypeDTP writes:

[Guest guest]

I got something LIKE that when I had heatstroke real bad once, but it only lasted a couple days. Several weeks don't sound like it's related to the heat to me. Spiffberyl1991 wrote: I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again

normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France

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[Guest guest]

I got something LIKE that when I had heatstroke real bad once, but it only lasted a couple days. Several weeks don't sound like it's related to the heat to me. Spiffberyl1991 wrote: I am 57 year old female living in France. On 23 June, after feeling terrible for several weeks I had a blood test which in all other respects was fine except for the thyroid. T4 showed normal but TSH was down to 0.04mUi/l. The doc sent me for a second test and ulltrasound. The T4 was again

normal and TSH up to 0.26. Antibodies all ok too. Ultrasound showed thyroid was perfectly normal. The endocrinologist said the low TSH readings were just caused by the hot weather!! I had quite a few symptoms of hyperthyrodism, fatigue, diarrhea, palpitations, agitation, breathlessness etc but he said this was coincidence. Am going back to see my general doc on Saturday - is it correct that temporary hyperthyroidism can be caused by a heatwave?Also, does anyone know if it can be caused by too many vitamins? Many thanks for your help and best wishes to everyone suffering with this disease. Sharon in France

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