Guest guest Report post Posted October 28, 2001 Antonietta I think Sharon might have been referring to the " bandster " meetings we hold here in Armadale. The next one is on Tuesday 20th November, 7:30pm at 514 Orrong Road Armadale. We would love to see you there. love, Liz Re: Hello Hi Sharon, Yes I have been to the last two meetings and hope to go to each meeting on a reqular basis as I think they are a great support. Tell me about your surgery etc and hopefully we will meet up at the next meeting! Antonietta Hi > > Antonietta, > > > > Good luck for your op next week. I'm getting banded > > on the 22nd of November > > who is your specialist? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > I wish I had found this earlier !!! > > > I am having my surgery on Nov 2nd and am very > > excited but also > > > extremely anxious, moody, teary and scared. It is > > such a weird > > > feeling. > > > I am very afraid of failure. Has anyone > > experienced no weight loss > > > or eventual weight gain?? > > > Has anyone experienced hair loss?? > > > Your feed back would be great. > > > Antonietta > > > > > > > > > > > > ozband website: > > > http://www.ozband.com > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 28, 2001 Hi Antonietta, I am seeing Stuart Skinner he is at the Avenue Hospital. I live in Ballarat but I come down to the meetings once a month at Liz's, she can fill you in (Please Liz). You should come they are great. Really nice bunch of people. I can imagine that the nerves have started to kick in. Do you have MSN or ICQ a few of the girls and guys have these and converse on a regular basis if you would like to join in. Take Care, Hello> Hi Everyone,> I wish I had found this earlier !!!> I am having my surgery on Nov 2nd and am very excited but also> extremely anxious, moody, teary and scared. It is such a weird> feeling.> I am very afraid of failure. Has anyone experienced no weight loss> or eventual weight gain??> Has anyone experienced hair loss??> Your feed back would be great.> Antonietta>>>> ozband website:> http://www.ozband.com>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2001 Thankis Errin for the fax, and sorry I didn't acknowledge it earlier. It was most informative and thank you for going to the trouble of sending it. Love, Liz -----Original Message-----From: D & E Rodgers Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 8:33 AMTo: ozband Subject: Re: Hello PS Liz & Sharon did you get the fax that I sent. I hope so. If not let me know and I will fax it again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 4, 2002 << Currently, I am married and we are expecting our first child in a few months. >> Welcome Craig and congratulations on the expected arrival of your little one. A very exciting time. Thanks for the information on Dr. Brent. I didn't know this. Autumn Mom to Brayden 22 months unilateral microtia/atresia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 4, 2002 Hello I am a new member and wanted to introduce myself. I am 36 years old and was born with hemifacial microsomia including unilateral microtia, atresia and an underdeveloped jaw and chin. When I was 5, I had a silicon implant that failed. After that, I didn't have any surgeries for several years until my father read about Dr. Brent in Time Magazine. This was when J. Getty's son was kidnapped and had his ear cut off. Dr. Brent did the reconstruction. Dr Brent also gave me a new ear, though not his best work given the scar tissue I had from the implant. It is very passable and most people don't know I was born without an ear. I have also had jaw surgery to rebuild my jaw and chin. That's it as far as surgeries go. I am not a good candidate for canalplasty. My middle ear is too underdeveloped. However, I do have good hearing in my other ear. Currently, I am married and we are expecting our first child in a few months. I was quite concerned about whether our child would also have HFM. Fortunately, ultrasound technology has come a long way. We were able to see both ears at 5 months along with the symmetry of the face. We had a 3D- ultrasound along with a level 2 ultrasound. To me , this is a godsend, because it cuts down the amount of time we had to worry from 9 months to 5 months. It would also have given us time to prepare emotionally. Finally, this group is great. I have waited a long time for a group like this though sometimes it is hard to read the posts. It is comforting to know there are other people out there with the same condition. Thanks again for the group Craig craig! thats exactly how i found out about dr brent, through that article in time magazine! that would be about 1979 or so, right?? come to ny and visit with dr brent!! you would get a LOT of pleasure out of seeing the families do all they can for THEIR children, as your father did for YOU! uncle jack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2002 welcome craig! Hello Hello I am a new member and wanted to introduce myself. I am 36 years old and was born with hemifacial microsomia including unilateral microtia, atresia and an underdeveloped jaw and chin. When I was 5, I had a silicon implant that failed. After that, I didn't have any surgeries for several years until my father read about Dr. Brent in Time Magazine. This was when J. Getty's son was kidnapped and had his ear cut off. Dr. Brent did the reconstruction. Dr Brent also gave me a new ear, though not his best work given the scar tissue I had from the implant. It is very passable and most people don't know I was born without an ear. I have also had jaw surgery to rebuild my jaw and chin. That's it as far as surgeries go. I am not a good candidate for canalplasty. My middle ear is too underdeveloped. However, I do have good hearing in my other ear. Currently, I am married and we are expecting our first child in a few months. I was quite concerned about whether our child would also have HFM. Fortunately, ultrasound technology has come a long way. We were able to see both ears at 5 months along with the symmetry of the face. We had a 3D- ultrasound along with a level 2 ultrasound. To me , this is a godsend, because it cuts down the amount of time we had to worry from 9 months to 5 months. It would also have given us time to prepare emotionally. Finally, this group is great. I have waited a long time for a group like this though sometimes it is hard to read the posts. It is comforting to know there are other people out there with the same condition. Thanks again for the group Craig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 5, 2002 Hello Craig My name is Chelvi, I am from Malaysia and my son who is 4 has unilateral microtia/atresia and slight HFM. I am interested to know at what age did you have your rib graft ear reconstruction done. Also, at what age did you have your jaw and chin surgery? Could you pls describe what you meant when you said that your jaw and chin was 'underdeveloped'? Did it interfere with your breathing and eating? Also anybody, is there a difference between a silicon and polyethelene implant? BTW congrats with the baby on the way. Chelvi Hello Hello I am a new member and wanted to introduce myself. I am 36 years old and was born with hemifacial microsomia including unilateral microtia, atresia and an underdeveloped jaw and chin. When I was 5, I had a silicon implant that failed. After that, I didn't have any surgeries for several years until my father read about Dr. Brent in Time Magazine. This was when J. Getty's son was kidnapped and had his ear cut off. Dr. Brent did the reconstruction. Dr Brent also gave me a new ear, though not his best work given the scar tissue I had from the implant. It is very passable and most people don't know I was born without an ear. I have also had jaw surgery to rebuild my jaw and chin. That's it as far as surgeries go. I am not a good candidate for canalplasty. My middle ear is too underdeveloped. However, I do have good hearing in my other ear. Currently, I am married and we are expecting our first child in a few months. I was quite concerned about whether our child would also have HFM. Fortunately, ultrasound technology has come a long way. We were able to see both ears at 5 months along with the symmetry of the face. We had a 3D- ultrasound along with a level 2 ultrasound. To me , this is a godsend, because it cuts down the amount of time we had to worry from 9 months to 5 months. It would also have given us time to prepare emotionally. Finally, this group is great. I have waited a long time for a group like this though sometimes it is hard to read the posts. It is comforting to know there are other people out there with the same condition. Thanks again for the group Craig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 6, 2002 Hi Craig and welcome! Thank you for sharing your personal story. I cannot tell you how cherished your first hand description is to us. Congratulations on your upcoming arrival! How wonderful! God bless your family! Love, beth > >Reply-To: AtresiaMicrotia >To: AtresiaMicrotia >Subject: Hello >Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 16:18:09 -0000 > >Hello >I am a new member and wanted to introduce myself. I am 36 >years old and was born with hemifacial microsomia including >unilateral microtia, atresia and an underdeveloped jaw and chin. >When I was 5, I had a silicon implant that failed. After that, I didn't >have any surgeries for several years until my father read about >Dr. Brent in Time Magazine. This was when J. Getty's son >was kidnapped and had his ear cut off. Dr. Brent did the >reconstruction. Dr Brent also gave me a new ear, though not his >best work given the scar tissue I had from the implant. It is very >passable and most people don't know I was born without an ear. >I have also had jaw surgery to rebuild my jaw and chin. That's it >as far as surgeries go. I am not a good candidate for >canalplasty. My middle ear is too underdeveloped. However, I do >have good hearing in my other ear. >Currently, I am married and we are expecting our first child in a >few months. I was quite concerned about whether our child >would also have HFM. Fortunately, ultrasound technology has >come a long way. We were able to see both ears at 5 months >along with the symmetry of the face. We had a 3D- ultrasound >along with a level 2 ultrasound. To me , this is a godsend, >because it cuts down the amount of time we had to worry from 9 >months to 5 months. It would also have given us time to prepare >emotionally. >Finally, this group is great. I have waited a long time for a group >like this though sometimes it is hard to read the posts. It is >comforting to know there are other people out there with the >same condition. Thanks again for the group >Craig > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2002 All right Suzanne! Way to take control again! Everyone has these bumps (or lumps) in the road. But getting back on track quickly is the best way to handle it. Hello Hi guys time to fess up. My last 2 days have been xx++++++++++ but i'm back on!! Going on my power walk as soon as i'm finished on the computer!! Your support and encouragement are what gave me the inspiration to get back on the wagon Thanks to everyone!! Suzanne ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2002 You can do this Suzanne!!! You have been doing great, just get right back to it! Maureen Hello Hi guys time to fess up. My last 2 days have been xx++++++++++ but i'm back on!! Going on my power walk as soon as i'm finished on the computer!! Your support and encouragement are what gave me the inspiration to get back on the wagon Thanks to everyone!! Suzanne ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2003 Welcome to the group. I think you will find a lot of people here who understand what you are going through and that empathize with your situation. It is not uncommon for there to be different opinions about diagnosis-this is because there is no medical test to find out if a kid really has ASD. There are some medical tests that can rule out certain conditions like fragile X and Landau-kleffner syndrome, but as far as ASD goes there are only opinions. My son who is now 3 years old 4 months was never definitively diagnosed with autism, but instead there has been a variety of opinions as to what he might have-some of these opinions vary a lot and nothing is very definite. When he was 18 months old he lost all his speech and when he was 2 he was unable to say mama or dad-he had only 25 words very inconsistently used(it wasn't clear if he understood any of these 25 words he was saying). In order for him to learn how to speak we had to teach him to use sign language. His first word that we taught him was " more " . It took him a whole month for him to learn how to sign and vocalize for more. When he finally learned to sign for more, it was like a miracle to us. Then I spent several weeks teaching him how to say mama and dada by using a photo album which had pictures of me and my husband and other family members and going through the photo album with him every day. Amazingly, he caught on and started labeling everything in his environment. My son also had a variety of unusual behaviors such as a fascination with doors and lights. He would love to open and close doors and open and close lights and would sometimes use language in unusual ways. In the year since we started trying to figure out what was causing our sons problems, we have gotten no definitive answers but have used a variety of intensive interventions to work on his problems-things such as speech therapy, O.T, P.T, ABA, Floortime, language camp, ans some dietary modifications. Now my son is speaking in full sentences and is able to engage people socially. If he were to be in a group of other kids his age, he could probably do pretty well conversationally and socially. He is also doing cognitively well. When he is with other people it is not obvious that there was ever anything wrong with him to begin with. He is also making good progress on toilet training and on fine and gross motor skills. A lot of his unusual behaviors have disappeared or have greatly diminished. Though we still have things we need to work on with him, we anticipate that by the age of 4 or 5 he will be ready to go to preschool and regular kindergarten with minimal or no problems. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the diagnosis is not nearly as important as getting early and intensive intervention. Hang in there and know that there is hope-things do get better. Debbie (mother of ) Debbie Hello We are new members to the group. Our names are and Celeste. We have a 2 1/2 year old son who is not talking. He has been diagnosed with ADHD and ASD. He has been through the neurological evaluation and the speech therapy evaluation. Both Medical professional have their own opinion on our sons diagnosis, mainly conflicting opinions. We have joined this group to get a better perspective on what we are dealing with. Our son, KeVonne, seemingly has two sides to him. He is a very smart and articulate child. he has a strong fascination with wheeled toys and he loves building thing with his Legos. But those are the only things he likes to play with. He has a difficult time getting along with others and would prefer to play in " his " own space. He does not like to be touched or looked at and when he is he throws quite a tantrum. While having a temper tantrum KeVonne throws quite a fit and at times we fear that he will hurt himself severely. He throws things , bangs head against wall, pinches himself, slaps himself, bites, screams and kicks his heals on the floor.This is a ver major concern of ours.He is also very violent to his siblings. Lately, since we have been going through all of these evaluations, Its seems as though Ke Vonne has been reverting back to being a baby. He sleeps all day, doesn't want to walk(he would rather be carried), and cries ALL day. Since this is new to us, we were just wondering if there is anyone else who is going through or has gone through a similar situation. In this ordeal, Dad is saying that we will get through it and that everything is alright(denial) and mom is wondering if this is her fault(responsible). we both acknowledge that there is something wrong but we just don't want to put a label on our son. we have faith that we can adjust to our sons needs and are just looking for some insight form other parents who have expereinced this. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and Celeste Support Everyday Miracles by shopping online at IGIVE.COM, where a portion of every purchase is donated to this support network. Proceeds received will be used for a variety of functions, such as educational activities, therapy, famiy outings, etc. http://www.igive.com/EDM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2003 I second what Debbie says. Getting the proper treatment for the problems is much more important that getting the correct diagnosis. My son went through the EEG/neurology stuff too, just because that's what neurologists do; he also had blood work done to rule out the genetic things (Fragile X, etc)....once that was done, we focused on the symptoms and treated those. I would suggest you really push to get him going in an intensive early intervention program of some kind- don't let the school system drag their feet. There are also private ways to go- let us know if you need more ideas on resources out in your community that are apart from the public school system. Biomedical interventions help many of our kids- you may want to look into getting some testing done or looking into the GFCF diet (info about this at www.gfcfdiet.com ). Your son sounds like he really needs speech intervention and sensory OT- most kids start with it at least twice /week. There are many private resources available for this as well outside of the school district. Oakland County ASA has a great resource guide out with many of these resources (www.asaoakland.org ). Everyday Miracles has a lot of resources on the yahoo site too; check those out in the files and the links section for local resource information. We are having a family picnic day next Saturday (Aug. 30th) in Clawson, I would encourage you (and everyone!) to come to the picnic to meet other families-- I have learned just about everything I know about autism from other parents who have walked the walk. We have monthly support group meetings too; I encourage you to come out to one of these to get more information and support. It is scary in the beginning, trying to figure out what is going on....there are over 200 of us on-line who know what you are going through right now....you are not alone. But the good news is, there is hope and there is treatment available. So get ready to work, and things will get better. Let us know if you need any more specific help or answers to your questions. -- RE: Hello Welcome to the group. I think you will find a lot of people here whounderstand what you are going through and that empathize with yoursituation.It is not uncommon for there to be different opinions about diagnosis-thisis because there is no medical test to find out if a kid really has ASD.There are some medical tests that can rule out certain conditions likefragile X and Landau-kleffner syndrome, but as far as ASD goes there areonly opinions.My son who is now 3 years old 4 months was never definitively diagnosedwith autism, but instead there has been a variety of opinions as to what hemight have-some of these opinions vary a lot and nothing is very definite.When he was 18 months old he lost all his speech and when he was 2 he wasunable to say mama or dad-he had only 25 words very inconsistently used(itwasn't clear if he understood any of these 25 words he was saying). Inorder for him to learn how to speak we had to teach him to use signlanguage. His first word that we taught him was "more". It took him awhole month for him to learn how to sign and vocalize for more. When hefinally learned to sign for more, it was like a miracle to us. Then I spentseveral weeks teaching him how to say mama and dada by using a photo albumwhich had pictures of me and my husband and other family members and goingthrough the photo album with him every day. Amazingly, he caught on andstarted labeling everything in his environment.My son also had a variety of unusual behaviors such as a fascination withdoors and lights. He would love to open and close doors and open and closelights and would sometimes use language in unusual ways. In the year sincewe started trying to figure out what was causing our sons problems, we havegotten no definitive answers but have used a variety of intensiveinterventions to work on his problems-things such as speech therapy, O.T,P.T, ABA, Floortime, language camp, ans some dietary modifications.Now my son is speaking in full sentences and is able to engage peoplesocially. If he were to be in a group of other kids his age, he couldprobably do pretty well conversationally and socially. He is also doingcognitively well. When he is with other people it is not obvious that therewas ever anything wrong with him to begin with. He is also making goodprogress on toilet training and on fine and gross motor skills. A lot ofhis unusual behaviors have disappeared or have greatly diminished. Thoughwe still have things we need to work on with him, we anticipate that by theage of 4 or 5 he will be ready to go to preschool and regular kindergartenwith minimal or no problems.I guess what I'm trying to say is that the diagnosis is not nearly asimportant as getting early and intensive intervention.Hang in there and know that there is hope-things do get better.Debbie (mother of )Debbie-----Original Message-----From: Celeste and Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:00 PMTo: EverydayMiraclesAutism Subject: HelloWe are new members to the group. Our names are and Celeste. Wehave a 2 1/2 year old son who is not talking. He has been diagnosedwith ADHD and ASD. He has been through the neurologicalevaluation and the speech therapy evaluation. Both Medicalprofessional have their own opinion on our sons diagnosis, mainlyconflicting opinions. We have joined this group to get a betterperspective on what we are dealing with.Our son, KeVonne, seemingly has two sides to him. He is a very smartand articulate child. he has a strong fascination with wheeled toysand he loves building thing with his Legos. But those are the onlythings he likes to play with. He has a difficult time getting alongwith others and would prefer to play in "his" own space. He does notlike to be touched or looked at and when he is he throws quite atantrum. While having a temper tantrum KeVonne throws quite a fitand at times we fear that he will hurt himself severely. He throwsthings , bangs head against wall, pinches himself, slaps himself,bites, screams and kicks his heals on the floor.This is a ver majorconcern of ours.He is also very violent to his siblings.Lately, since we have been going through all of these evaluations,Its seems as though Ke Vonne has been reverting back to being ababy. He sleeps all day, doesn't want to walk(he would rather becarried), and cries ALL day.Since this is new to us, we were just wondering if there is anyoneelse who is going through or has gone through a similar situation.In this ordeal, Dad is saying that we will get through it and thateverything is alright(denial) and mom is wondering if this is herfault(responsible). we both acknowledge that there is somethingwrong but we just don't want to put a label on our son. we havefaith that we can adjust to our sons needs and are just looking forsome insight form other parents who have expereinced this. Any inputwould be greatly appreciated.Thanks and CelesteSupport Everyday Miracles by shopping online at IGIVE.COM, where a portionof every purchase is donated to this support network. Proceeds received willbe used for a variety of functions, such as educational activities, therapy,famiy outings, etc. http://www.igive.com/EDM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2003 Wow, 19 pounds is awesome! You sound soooo happy and content with your life. I am glad you are making your goal. Now if you could rub some positive energy on to me we are set to go. LOL! Neoshea Bergman NHCD Recruiter HIRING RECRUITERS THIS WEEK! E-mail me for more information! -- Hello Hi everyone!!! I haven't been active just because I have had a ton of things happening lately......but I hope to try my best to be more active! Here is my intro!!!Hi! I'm Kammy! I have "all the time in the world"! I don't do a thing a day long! LOL! Oh is that a joke! I have three beautiful kidos! Twins that will be three this month and a 5 month old! My world is so colorful and I LOVE IT! And I am married to a wonderful man!! He was my high school sweetheart!!!! :)I joined WW back after the twins were born........then I decided that I could do it on my own verses going to meetings.......well, that didn't work. I slowly got of the bandwagon. Then I had Bryce and I am determined to make my dreams reality this time around. I KNOW that I need to stick to going to meetings......anyone else have the same experience???? I just weighed in last night. I have have lost 19 lbs in 8 weeks!!! YEH!! Next week I will be at my 10%! I can't wait! I am excited to get to know you all!!!! Kammy Happily Married to Rob (05/08/00)Mommy toChase and Autumn (10/19/00)Bryce (05/09/03) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2003 Kammy - welcome and congratulations on such a good loss. Henri in Granbury Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 2, 2003 Hi Kammy, Welcome to the group. My name is Debbie, mom to (2 1/2) and we live on Long Island, NY (but may be moving to PA one day). I'm a special ed teacher and a consultant for Discovery Toys. I'm trying to lose about 15-20lbs and they just don't want to come off (my own fault I'm sure, I've lost some, but now the scale is stuck). Anyway, so are your twins girls, boys for b/g? October is a great time for a birthday (I'll be 32 next Friday). Good luck on your weight loss journey. Debbie ~~~~~*****~~~~~*****~~~~~*****~~~~~*****~~~~~*****~~~~~Ask me about the BEST educational toys and how you can get them for FREE!!!Discovery Toys...I play for a living, how about you? www.discoverytoyslink.com/DebbieGluck Hello Hi everyone!!! I haven't been active just because I have had a ton of things happening lately......but I hope to try my best to be more active! Here is my intro!!!Hi! I'm Kammy! I have "all the time in the world"! I don't do a thing a day long! LOL! Oh is that a joke! I have three beautiful kidos! Twins that will be three this month and a 5 month old! My world is so colorful and I LOVE IT! And I am married to a wonderful man!! He was my high school sweetheart!!!! :)I joined WW back after the twins were born........then I decided that I could do it on my own verses going to meetings.......well, that didn't work. I slowly got of the bandwagon. Then I had Bryce and I am determined to make my dreams reality this time around. I KNOW that I need to stick to going to meetings......anyone else have the same experience???? I just weighed in last night. I have have lost 19 lbs in 8 weeks!!! YEH!! Next week I will be at my 10%! I can't wait! I am excited to get to know you all!!!! Kammy Happily Married to Rob (05/08/00)Mommy toChase and Autumn (10/19/00)Bryce (05/09/03) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 2, 2005 Hi Pat!! We're glad you're back. This is one terrific group. Donna > > Thought I would introduce myself. Just started SBD Tuesday. So far so > good, even with Halloween candy everywhere. I had gone on SBD 18 months > ago, and lost 10 pounds, and manged to keep it off for 6 months - then last > Thanksgiving and Christmas I gained, and just kept on gaining til now I am > at my all time high weight of 167, 10 lbs more than I started the last time. > I've set 3 goals - short, medium, and long. I'm 5'4, age 52. My short > goal is to get to 150 - so I will try to be really strict to get to that > point. My medium goal is 140, what I weighed 10 years ago. My long goal is > to weigh what my Mom weighs, 126, and about what I weighed when I got > married 22 years ago. I look forward to reading all your tips and tricks, > it was very helpful the last time. > > Pat > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2006 Betty2 ~ Hope you start feeling better !!!!! And that you have a loss by your next meeting for the anniversary........blessings and hugs, Randie Hello Have been off now for a couple of days so got behind, just haven't felt like setting at the computer. For those of you I haven't said CONGRATULATIONS on your weight loss there it is!! For those that might have stayed the same GREEN is a good color, you maintained!! For those who gained, this will be a new week and you know what to do, just do it. Hope to feel better by Thursday as its our club aniversary surely do want to feel up to going. Betty 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2006 Congratulations to thoses that losses, you're doing great, gainers; we know what to do! turtles green is beautiful! top/kops, love, Eloy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites