Re: Safe Levels of fish oil??-- and Everyone, please

[Guest guest]

> > > >

> > > >Fish oil is safe...hard to overdose. Upper limit of safety

for

> > > >vitamin E = 1 gram (1500 IU).

> > > >

> > > >Try 2 omega 3/6/9 + 1 EPA twice a day, plus a 400 IU alpha-d-

> > > >tocophorol twice a day. If you are seeing great results

after a

> > few

> > > >weeks, you can go up to 3 times a day. If planning long-term

> vit E

> > > >supplements, also add a gamma 200-300mg (I use gamma E from

> Jarrow,

> > > >but there are other brands, and some of the alpha supplements

> that

> > > >come with gamma added. -

> > > >

> > > > > Hi Gang

> > > > >

> > > > > I jumped in with increasing fish oil and adding E back in

the

> > end of

> > > > > August--thanks again, !!!!!!!!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > How much is safe for my 41 pound 6 year old son?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Kathleen

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

> I would think the blood testing would be for those on

high dosages

> of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the

fish

> which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not made

> from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this group -

do

> not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the

> differences in the formulas of the oils?

>

> I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of any

> old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and their

> families were raised on fish oil for generations (as compelling as

> that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every

aspect

> and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on

giving

> our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish and

Fish

> Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks "

> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html

>

> Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites

> http://efaeducation.nih.gov/

>

> And favorite quotes:

>

> " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their

> consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary artery

> disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a

source

> of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil brands

> examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury and

> may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. "

> Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology,

> Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston,

> Mass 02114, USA.

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\

> 4632570 & dopt=Abstract

> http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html

>

> And have you read this as a future MD?

> " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know "

>

> " In a medical environment in which messages molded by

pharmaceutical

> interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should

consider

> the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects and

the

> positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients

should

> be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for such a

> recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from many

> other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely

> as 'complementary medicines'.

>

> Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce

> cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA plus

> DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses can

be

> taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on juice.

> Recipients should be informed that there are multiple strategies

for

> increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their

usual

> dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach for

most

> individuals. "

> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1526555

>

> Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood testing

of

> the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish oils

> not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use the

> liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA which

> isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please

don't

> take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and believe it

> wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once fish

oil is

> being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being

shared

> because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to

cover

> in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I just

> sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for cod

> liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil

needs

> blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend

regular

> blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for those

who

> eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation?

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/

>

> And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of O3

we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait.

> (but not stop using our fish oils)

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

,

I hope you don't think I was posting,

> Therefore, in excess of

> > > recommended daily values, these vitamines are stored in the

body

> as

> > > fat.

I responded to the fact that there was no truth to that statement at

all, I quoted it, and wanted to know what medical textbook it was

taken from, as it is a load of hogwash. I mentioned the fact about

vitamin K, not even being in fish oil to begin with. A & D are not in

proefa, and the upper limits of D as such at this time can go to 2000

IU daily. But not a dose I would dabble with personally for different

reasons. I agree with you whole heartedly.

C

>

>

> True one does need to be careful of " some of the fish oil " ...ie cod

> liver oil does have vit A in it...and too much A and D can lead to

> adverse effects that are well documented. This is not an issue for

> those using the typical apraxia cocktail of pro-EFA (omega 3/6/9)

> and pro-EPA.

>

> It is very difficult to overdose on fish oil. What is not used is

> excreted, and it is NOT associated with liver problems. It can give

> you diarrhea, and it can also affect platelet function at higher

> doses...just like aspirin...and in that sense can increase risk of

> bleeding. However the impact on the platelets (making them less

> sticky)...is part of the benefits to heart health.

>

> Fear of fish oil is totally crazy. Fear of Mcs...now that

> makes sense to me. Trans fats ARE poison to our bodies, yet

> Americans consume them by the kilo. -

>

> > Therefore, in excess of

> > > recommended daily values, these vitamines are stored in the

body

> as

> > > fat.

> >

> > What medical textbook did you get that from? Also, vitamin K is

> not

> > stored in any appreciable amount in the body, and it is quite

safe

> to

> > give K2 and K3 as a supplement it lowers interluekin 6 and TNF

> alpha.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > >Fish oil is safe...hard to overdose. Upper limit of safety

> for

> > > > >vitamin E = 1 gram (1500 IU).

> > > > >

> > > > >Try 2 omega 3/6/9 + 1 EPA twice a day, plus a 400 IU alpha-d-

> > > > >tocophorol twice a day. If you are seeing great results

> after a

> > > few

> > > > >weeks, you can go up to 3 times a day. If planning long-

term

> > vit E

> > > > >supplements, also add a gamma 200-300mg (I use gamma E from

> > Jarrow,

> > > > >but there are other brands, and some of the alpha

supplements

> > that

> > > > >come with gamma added. -

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Gang

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I jumped in with increasing fish oil and adding E back in

> the

> > > end of

> > > > > > August--thanks again, !!!!!!!!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How much is safe for my 41 pound 6 year old son?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kathleen

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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>

> I do have a medical background. I am in med school right now and we

> are currently going over these issues.

So --- it should be *very* easy for you to cite your sources. Please

tell us what they are. I think a number of us would appreciate it.

[Guest guest]

>

> I do have a medical background. I am in med school right now and we

> are currently going over these issues.

So --- it should be *very* easy for you to cite your sources. Please

tell us what they are. I think a number of us would appreciate it.

[Guest guest]

Absolutely! Give me a little bit of time to get the resources together.

It might be a little while I'm amidst finals right now.

> >

> > I do have a medical background. I am in med school right now and we

> > are currently going over these issues.

>

>

>

> So --- it should be *very* easy for you to cite your sources. Please

> tell us what they are. I think a number of us would appreciate it.

>

[Guest guest]

OK. Like I said before, but apparently SOME people missed, I am not

trying to talk parents out of using supplements. I do agree TO A

CERTAIN EXTENT they can be helpful. Because I am a concerned future

provider, I don't want parents to think that at pill or supplement

can cure everything. It takes hard work and patience to work with a

child with apraxia!

> > I would think the blood testing would be for those on

> high dosages

> > of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the

> fish

> > which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not made

> > from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this group -

> do

> > not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the

> > differences in the formulas of the oils?

> >

> > I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of any

> > old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and their

> > families were raised on fish oil for generations (as compelling

as

> > that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every

> aspect

> > and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on

> giving

> > our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish and

> Fish

> > Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks "

> > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html

> >

> > Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites

> > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/

> >

> > And favorite quotes:

> >

> > " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their

> > consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary artery

> > disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a

> source

> > of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil brands

> > examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury and

> > may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. "

> > Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology,

> > Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston,

> > Mass 02114, USA.

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\

> > 4632570 & dopt=Abstract

> > http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html

> >

> > And have you read this as a future MD?

> > " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know "

> >

> > " In a medical environment in which messages molded by

> pharmaceutical

> > interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should

> consider

> > the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects and

> the

> > positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients

> should

> > be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for such a

> > recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from many

> > other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely

> > as 'complementary medicines'.

> >

> > Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce

> > cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA

plus

> > DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses can

> be

> > taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on juice.

> > Recipients should be informed that there are multiple strategies

> for

> > increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their

> usual

> > dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach for

> most

> > individuals. "

> > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1526555

> >

> > Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood testing

> of

> > the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish

oils

> > not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use the

> > liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA which

> > isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please

> don't

> > take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and believe

it

> > wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once fish

> oil is

> > being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being

> shared

> > because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to

> cover

> > in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I just

> > sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for cod

> > liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil

> needs

> > blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend

> regular

> > blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for those

> who

> > eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation?

> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/

> >

> > And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of O3

> we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait.

> > (but not stop using our fish oils)

> >

> > =====

> >

[Guest guest]

Absolutely! Give me a little bit of time to get the resources together.

It might be a little while I'm amidst finals right now.

> >

> > I do have a medical background. I am in med school right now and we

> > are currently going over these issues.

>

>

>

> So --- it should be *very* easy for you to cite your sources. Please

> tell us what they are. I think a number of us would appreciate it.

>

[Guest guest]

OK. Like I said before, but apparently SOME people missed, I am not

trying to talk parents out of using supplements. I do agree TO A

CERTAIN EXTENT they can be helpful. Because I am a concerned future

provider, I don't want parents to think that at pill or supplement

can cure everything. It takes hard work and patience to work with a

child with apraxia!

> > I would think the blood testing would be for those on

> high dosages

> > of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the

> fish

> > which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not made

> > from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this group -

> do

> > not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the

> > differences in the formulas of the oils?

> >

> > I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of any

> > old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and their

> > families were raised on fish oil for generations (as compelling

as

> > that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every

> aspect

> > and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on

> giving

> > our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish and

> Fish

> > Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks "

> > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html

> >

> > Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites

> > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/

> >

> > And favorite quotes:

> >

> > " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their

> > consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary artery

> > disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a

> source

> > of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil brands

> > examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury and

> > may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. "

> > Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology,

> > Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston,

> > Mass 02114, USA.

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\

> > 4632570 & dopt=Abstract

> > http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html

> >

> > And have you read this as a future MD?

> > " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know "

> >

> > " In a medical environment in which messages molded by

> pharmaceutical

> > interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should

> consider

> > the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects and

> the

> > positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients

> should

> > be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for such a

> > recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from many

> > other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely

> > as 'complementary medicines'.

> >

> > Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce

> > cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA

plus

> > DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses can

> be

> > taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on juice.

> > Recipients should be informed that there are multiple strategies

> for

> > increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their

> usual

> > dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach for

> most

> > individuals. "

> > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1526555

> >

> > Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood testing

> of

> > the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish

oils

> > not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use the

> > liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA which

> > isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please

> don't

> > take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and believe

it

> > wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once fish

> oil is

> > being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being

> shared

> > because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to

> cover

> > in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I just

> > sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for cod

> > liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil

> needs

> > blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend

> regular

> > blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for those

> who

> > eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation?

> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/

> >

> > And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of O3

> we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait.

> > (but not stop using our fish oils)

> >

> > =====

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi, I was wondering if anyone child that is taking the Nordic

Natural omega 3,6,9 vitamin, has a loss of appetite? My son seems to

not be eating as much. So Iam wondering if this is a side effect?

Thanks

> > > I would think the blood testing would be for those on

> > high dosages

> > > of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the

> > fish

> > > which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not

made

> > > from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this

group -

> > do

> > > not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the

> > > differences in the formulas of the oils?

> > >

> > > I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of

any

> > > old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and

their

> > > families were raised on fish oil for generations (as compelling

> as

> > > that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every

> > aspect

> > > and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on

> > giving

> > > our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish and

> > Fish

> > > Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks "

> > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html

> > >

> > > Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites

> > > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/

> > >

> > > And favorite quotes:

> > >

> > > " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their

> > > consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary

artery

> > > disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a

> > source

> > > of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil

brands

> > > examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury

and

> > > may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. "

> > > Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology,

> > > Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School,

Boston,

> > > Mass 02114, USA.

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> > > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\

> > > 4632570 & dopt=Abstract

> > > http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html

> > >

> > > And have you read this as a future MD?

> > > " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know "

> > >

> > > " In a medical environment in which messages molded by

> > pharmaceutical

> > > interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should

> > consider

> > > the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects and

> > the

> > > positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients

> > should

> > > be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for such

a

> > > recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from

many

> > > other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely

> > > as 'complementary medicines'.

> > >

> > > Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce

> > > cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA

> plus

> > > DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses

can

> > be

> > > taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on juice.

> > > Recipients should be informed that there are multiple

strategies

> > for

> > > increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their

> > usual

> > > dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach for

> > most

> > > individuals. "

> > > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?

artid=1526555

> > >

> > > Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood

testing

> > of

> > > the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish

> oils

> > > not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use the

> > > liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA which

> > > isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please

> > don't

> > > take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and believe

> it

> > > wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once fish

> > oil is

> > > being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being

> > shared

> > > because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to

> > cover

> > > in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I

just

> > > sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for

cod

> > > liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil

> > needs

> > > blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend

> > regular

> > > blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for

those

> > who

> > > eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation?

> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/

> > >

> > > And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of

O3

> > we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait.

> > > (but not stop using our fish oils)

> > >

> > > =====

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi, I was wondering if anyone child that is taking the Nordic

Natural omega 3,6,9 vitamin, has a loss of appetite? My son seems to

not be eating as much. So Iam wondering if this is a side effect?

Thanks

> > > I would think the blood testing would be for those on

> > high dosages

> > > of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the

> > fish

> > > which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not

made

> > > from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this

group -

> > do

> > > not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the

> > > differences in the formulas of the oils?

> > >

> > > I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of

any

> > > old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and

their

> > > families were raised on fish oil for generations (as compelling

> as

> > > that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every

> > aspect

> > > and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on

> > giving

> > > our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish and

> > Fish

> > > Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks "

> > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html

> > >

> > > Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites

> > > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/

> > >

> > > And favorite quotes:

> > >

> > > " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their

> > > consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary

artery

> > > disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a

> > source

> > > of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil

brands

> > > examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury

and

> > > may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. "

> > > Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology,

> > > Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School,

Boston,

> > > Mass 02114, USA.

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> > > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\

> > > 4632570 & dopt=Abstract

> > > http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html

> > >

> > > And have you read this as a future MD?

> > > " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know "

> > >

> > > " In a medical environment in which messages molded by

> > pharmaceutical

> > > interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should

> > consider

> > > the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects and

> > the

> > > positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients

> > should

> > > be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for such

a

> > > recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from

many

> > > other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely

> > > as 'complementary medicines'.

> > >

> > > Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce

> > > cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA

> plus

> > > DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses

can

> > be

> > > taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on juice.

> > > Recipients should be informed that there are multiple

strategies

> > for

> > > increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their

> > usual

> > > dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach for

> > most

> > > individuals. "

> > > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?

artid=1526555

> > >

> > > Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood

testing

> > of

> > > the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish

> oils

> > > not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use the

> > > liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA which

> > > isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please

> > don't

> > > take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and believe

> it

> > > wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once fish

> > oil is

> > > being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being

> > shared

> > > because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to

> > cover

> > > in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I

just

> > > sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for

cod

> > > liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil

> > needs

> > > blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend

> > regular

> > > blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for

those

> > who

> > > eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation?

> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/

> > >

> > > And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of

O3

> > we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait.

> > > (but not stop using our fish oils)

> > >

> > > =====

> > >

[Guest guest]

It doesn't sound like it.

Although typically children go through stages of hunger where their

bellys are bottemless pits, then the next week they eat like birds.

Dawn in NJ

>

[Guest guest]

> > > I would think the blood testing would be for those

on

> > high dosages

> > > of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the

> > fish

> > > which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not

made

> > > from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this

group -

> > do

> > > not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the

> > > differences in the formulas of the oils?

> > >

> > > I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of

any

> > > old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and

their

> > > families were raised on fish oil for generations (as

compelling

> as

> > > that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every

> > aspect

> > > and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on

> > giving

> > > our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish

and

> > Fish

> > > Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks "

> > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html

> > >

> > > Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites

> > > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/

> > >

> > > And favorite quotes:

> > >

> > > " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their

> > > consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary

artery

> > > disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a

> > source

> > > of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil

brands

> > > examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury

and

> > > may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. "

> > > Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology,

> > > Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School,

Boston,

> > > Mass 02114, USA.

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> > > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\

> > > 4632570 & dopt=Abstract

> > > http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html

> > >

> > > And have you read this as a future MD?

> > > " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know "

> > >

> > > " In a medical environment in which messages molded by

> > pharmaceutical

> > > interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should

> > consider

> > > the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects

and

> > the

> > > positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients

> > should

> > > be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for

such a

> > > recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from

many

> > > other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely

> > > as 'complementary medicines'.

> > >

> > > Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce

> > > cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA

> plus

> > > DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses

can

> > be

> > > taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on

juice.

> > > Recipients should be informed that there are multiple

strategies

> > for

> > > increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their

> > usual

> > > dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach

for

> > most

> > > individuals. "

> > > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?

artid=1526555

> > >

> > > Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood

testing

> > of

> > > the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish

> oils

> > > not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use

the

> > > liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA

which

> > > isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please

> > don't

> > > take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and

believe

> it

> > > wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once

fish

> > oil is

> > > being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being

> > shared

> > > because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to

> > cover

> > > in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I

just

> > > sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for

cod

> > > liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil

> > needs

> > > blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend

> > regular

> > > blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for

those

> > who

> > > eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation?

> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/

> > >

> > > And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of

O3

> > we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait.

> > > (but not stop using our fish oils)

> > >

> > > =====

> > >

[Guest guest]

It doesn't sound like it.

Although typically children go through stages of hunger where their

bellys are bottemless pits, then the next week they eat like birds.

Dawn in NJ

>

[Guest guest]

> > > I would think the blood testing would be for those

on

> > high dosages

> > > of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the

> > fish

> > > which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not

made

> > > from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this

group -

> > do

> > > not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the

> > > differences in the formulas of the oils?

> > >

> > > I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of

any

> > > old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and

their

> > > families were raised on fish oil for generations (as

compelling

> as

> > > that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every

> > aspect

> > > and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on

> > giving

> > > our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish

and

> > Fish

> > > Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks "

> > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html

> > >

> > > Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites

> > > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/

> > >

> > > And favorite quotes:

> > >

> > > " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their

> > > consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary

artery

> > > disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a

> > source

> > > of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil

brands

> > > examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury

and

> > > may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. "

> > > Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology,

> > > Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School,

Boston,

> > > Mass 02114, USA.

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> > > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\

> > > 4632570 & dopt=Abstract

> > > http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html

> > >

> > > And have you read this as a future MD?

> > > " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know "

> > >

> > > " In a medical environment in which messages molded by

> > pharmaceutical

> > > interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should

> > consider

> > > the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects

and

> > the

> > > positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients

> > should

> > > be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for

such a

> > > recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from

many

> > > other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely

> > > as 'complementary medicines'.

> > >

> > > Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce

> > > cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA

> plus

> > > DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses

can

> > be

> > > taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on

juice.

> > > Recipients should be informed that there are multiple

strategies

> > for

> > > increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their

> > usual

> > > dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach

for

> > most

> > > individuals. "

> > > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?

artid=1526555

> > >

> > > Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood

testing

> > of

> > > the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish

> oils

> > > not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use

the

> > > liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA

which

> > > isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please

> > don't

> > > take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and

believe

> it

> > > wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once

fish

> > oil is

> > > being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being

> > shared

> > > because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to

> > cover

> > > in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I

just

> > > sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for

cod

> > > liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil

> > needs

> > > blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend

> > regular

> > > blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for

those

> > who

> > > eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation?

> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/

> > >

> > > And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of

O3

> > we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait.

> > > (but not stop using our fish oils)

> > >

> > > =====

> > >

[Guest guest]

Maybe the fish oil is upsetting his stomach. Are you giving it to him when

he eats food? I have found that when I give my daughter her oil with her

dinner, she eats well & doesn't complain . I noticed if I give them to her

before bed, she is fussy all night long. Maybe breaking doses into 2 and

giving him one at breakfast & 1 at lunch will help. also, bread might help

" sop " up some oil :-)

Hope that helps.

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

Maybe the fish oil is upsetting his stomach. Are you giving it to him when

he eats food? I have found that when I give my daughter her oil with her

dinner, she eats well & doesn't complain . I noticed if I give them to her

before bed, she is fussy all night long. Maybe breaking doses into 2 and

giving him one at breakfast & 1 at lunch will help. also, bread might help

" sop " up some oil :-)

Hope that helps.

Aubrey

[Guest guest]

Forgive me, I am new to this whole supplement thing.....

I am looking to start my 2 yr old son on some Vitamins. I purchased

the Nautical Naturals 3-6-9 and a bottle of Natural Vitamin E

400IU. Is 2 Nautical Naturals and one Vitamin E enough per day?

What other supplements am I missing? What is EPA? What is alpha-d-

tocophorol? What is gamma 200-300 mg and what does it have to do

with vitamin E?

I really want to try this supplement thing but I have no help from

the pediatrician since he does not believe in it. Help!!!!

Michele

>

> Fish oil is safe...hard to overdose. Upper limit of safety for

> vitamin E = 1 gram (1500 IU).

>

> Try 2 omega 3/6/9 + 1 EPA twice a day, plus a 400 IU alpha-d-

> tocophorol twice a day. If you are seeing great results after a

few

> weeks, you can go up to 3 times a day. If planning long-term vit

E

> supplements, also add a gamma 200-300mg (I use gamma E from

Jarrow,

> but there are other brands, and some of the alpha supplements that

> come with gamma added. -

>

> > Hi Gang

> >

> > I jumped in with increasing fish oil and adding E back in the

end of

> > August--thanks again, !!!!!!!!!!

> >

> > How much is safe for my 41 pound 6 year old son?

> >

> >

> > Kathleen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Forgive me, I am new to this whole supplement thing.....

I am looking to start my 2 yr old son on some Vitamins. I purchased

the Nautical Naturals 3-6-9 and a bottle of Natural Vitamin E

400IU. Is 2 Nautical Naturals and one Vitamin E enough per day?

What other supplements am I missing? What is EPA? What is alpha-d-

tocophorol? What is gamma 200-300 mg and what does it have to do

with vitamin E?

I really want to try this supplement thing but I have no help from

the pediatrician since he does not believe in it. Help!!!!

Michele

>

> Fish oil is safe...hard to overdose. Upper limit of safety for

> vitamin E = 1 gram (1500 IU).

>

> Try 2 omega 3/6/9 + 1 EPA twice a day, plus a 400 IU alpha-d-

> tocophorol twice a day. If you are seeing great results after a

few

> weeks, you can go up to 3 times a day. If planning long-term vit

E

> supplements, also add a gamma 200-300mg (I use gamma E from

Jarrow,

> but there are other brands, and some of the alpha supplements that

> come with gamma added. -

>

> > Hi Gang

> >

> > I jumped in with increasing fish oil and adding E back in the

end of

> > August--thanks again, !!!!!!!!!!

> >

> > How much is safe for my 41 pound 6 year old son?

> >

> >

> > Kathleen

> >

>