Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 > > > > > > > >Fish oil is safe...hard to overdose. Upper limit of safety for > > > >vitamin E = 1 gram (1500 IU). > > > > > > > >Try 2 omega 3/6/9 + 1 EPA twice a day, plus a 400 IU alpha-d- > > > >tocophorol twice a day. If you are seeing great results after a > > few > > > >weeks, you can go up to 3 times a day. If planning long-term > vit E > > > >supplements, also add a gamma 200-300mg (I use gamma E from > Jarrow, > > > >but there are other brands, and some of the alpha supplements > that > > > >come with gamma added. - > > > > > > > > > Hi Gang > > > > > > > > > > I jumped in with increasing fish oil and adding E back in the > > end of > > > > > August--thanks again, !!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > How much is safe for my 41 pound 6 year old son? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kathleen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live > > Spaces > > > friends module. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/? > > href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx? > > wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mk > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 > I would think the blood testing would be for those on high dosages > of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the fish > which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not made > from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this group - do > not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the > differences in the formulas of the oils? > > I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of any > old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and their > families were raised on fish oil for generations (as compelling as > that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every aspect > and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on giving > our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish and Fish > Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks " > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html > > Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/ > > And favorite quotes: > > " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their > consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary artery > disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a source > of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil brands > examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury and > may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. " > Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology, > Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, > Mass 02114, USA. > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ > 4632570 & dopt=Abstract > http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html > > And have you read this as a future MD? > " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know " > > " In a medical environment in which messages molded by pharmaceutical > interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should consider > the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects and the > positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients should > be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for such a > recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from many > other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely > as 'complementary medicines'. > > Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce > cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA plus > DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses can be > taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on juice. > Recipients should be informed that there are multiple strategies for > increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their usual > dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach for most > individuals. " > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1526555 > > Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood testing of > the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish oils > not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use the > liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA which > isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please don't > take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and believe it > wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once fish oil is > being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being shared > because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to cover > in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I just > sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for cod > liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil needs > blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend regular > blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for those who > eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation? > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/ > > And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of O3 we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait. > (but not stop using our fish oils) > > ===== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 , I hope you don't think I was posting, > Therefore, in excess of > > > recommended daily values, these vitamines are stored in the body > as > > > fat. I responded to the fact that there was no truth to that statement at all, I quoted it, and wanted to know what medical textbook it was taken from, as it is a load of hogwash. I mentioned the fact about vitamin K, not even being in fish oil to begin with. A & D are not in proefa, and the upper limits of D as such at this time can go to 2000 IU daily. But not a dose I would dabble with personally for different reasons. I agree with you whole heartedly. C > > > True one does need to be careful of " some of the fish oil " ...ie cod > liver oil does have vit A in it...and too much A and D can lead to > adverse effects that are well documented. This is not an issue for > those using the typical apraxia cocktail of pro-EFA (omega 3/6/9) > and pro-EPA. > > It is very difficult to overdose on fish oil. What is not used is > excreted, and it is NOT associated with liver problems. It can give > you diarrhea, and it can also affect platelet function at higher > doses...just like aspirin...and in that sense can increase risk of > bleeding. However the impact on the platelets (making them less > sticky)...is part of the benefits to heart health. > > Fear of fish oil is totally crazy. Fear of Mcs...now that > makes sense to me. Trans fats ARE poison to our bodies, yet > Americans consume them by the kilo. - > > > Therefore, in excess of > > > recommended daily values, these vitamines are stored in the body > as > > > fat. > > > > What medical textbook did you get that from? Also, vitamin K is > not > > stored in any appreciable amount in the body, and it is quite safe > to > > give K2 and K3 as a supplement it lowers interluekin 6 and TNF > alpha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Fish oil is safe...hard to overdose. Upper limit of safety > for > > > > >vitamin E = 1 gram (1500 IU). > > > > > > > > > >Try 2 omega 3/6/9 + 1 EPA twice a day, plus a 400 IU alpha-d- > > > > >tocophorol twice a day. If you are seeing great results > after a > > > few > > > > >weeks, you can go up to 3 times a day. If planning long- term > > vit E > > > > >supplements, also add a gamma 200-300mg (I use gamma E from > > Jarrow, > > > > >but there are other brands, and some of the alpha supplements > > that > > > > >come with gamma added. - > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Gang > > > > > > > > > > > > I jumped in with increasing fish oil and adding E back in > the > > > end of > > > > > > August--thanks again, !!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > How much is safe for my 41 pound 6 year old son? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kathleen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live > > > Spaces > > > > friends module. > > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/? > > > href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx? > > > wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mk > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 > > I do have a medical background. I am in med school right now and we > are currently going over these issues. So --- it should be *very* easy for you to cite your sources. Please tell us what they are. I think a number of us would appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 > > I do have a medical background. I am in med school right now and we > are currently going over these issues. So --- it should be *very* easy for you to cite your sources. Please tell us what they are. I think a number of us would appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Absolutely! Give me a little bit of time to get the resources together. It might be a little while I'm amidst finals right now. > > > > I do have a medical background. I am in med school right now and we > > are currently going over these issues. > > > > So --- it should be *very* easy for you to cite your sources. Please > tell us what they are. I think a number of us would appreciate it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 OK. Like I said before, but apparently SOME people missed, I am not trying to talk parents out of using supplements. I do agree TO A CERTAIN EXTENT they can be helpful. Because I am a concerned future provider, I don't want parents to think that at pill or supplement can cure everything. It takes hard work and patience to work with a child with apraxia! > > I would think the blood testing would be for those on > high dosages > > of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the > fish > > which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not made > > from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this group - > do > > not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the > > differences in the formulas of the oils? > > > > I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of any > > old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and their > > families were raised on fish oil for generations (as compelling as > > that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every > aspect > > and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on > giving > > our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish and > Fish > > Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks " > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html > > > > Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites > > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/ > > > > And favorite quotes: > > > > " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their > > consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary artery > > disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a > source > > of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil brands > > examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury and > > may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. " > > Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology, > > Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, > > Mass 02114, USA. > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? > > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ > > 4632570 & dopt=Abstract > > http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html > > > > And have you read this as a future MD? > > " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know " > > > > " In a medical environment in which messages molded by > pharmaceutical > > interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should > consider > > the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects and > the > > positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients > should > > be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for such a > > recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from many > > other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely > > as 'complementary medicines'. > > > > Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce > > cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA plus > > DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses can > be > > taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on juice. > > Recipients should be informed that there are multiple strategies > for > > increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their > usual > > dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach for > most > > individuals. " > > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1526555 > > > > Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood testing > of > > the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish oils > > not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use the > > liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA which > > isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please > don't > > take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and believe it > > wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once fish > oil is > > being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being > shared > > because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to > cover > > in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I just > > sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for cod > > liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil > needs > > blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend > regular > > blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for those > who > > eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation? > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/ > > > > And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of O3 > we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait. > > (but not stop using our fish oils) > > > > ===== > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Absolutely! Give me a little bit of time to get the resources together. It might be a little while I'm amidst finals right now. > > > > I do have a medical background. I am in med school right now and we > > are currently going over these issues. > > > > So --- it should be *very* easy for you to cite your sources. Please > tell us what they are. I think a number of us would appreciate it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 OK. Like I said before, but apparently SOME people missed, I am not trying to talk parents out of using supplements. I do agree TO A CERTAIN EXTENT they can be helpful. Because I am a concerned future provider, I don't want parents to think that at pill or supplement can cure everything. It takes hard work and patience to work with a child with apraxia! > > I would think the blood testing would be for those on > high dosages > > of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the > fish > > which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not made > > from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this group - > do > > not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the > > differences in the formulas of the oils? > > > > I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of any > > old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and their > > families were raised on fish oil for generations (as compelling as > > that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every > aspect > > and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on > giving > > our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish and > Fish > > Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks " > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html > > > > Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites > > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/ > > > > And favorite quotes: > > > > " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their > > consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary artery > > disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a > source > > of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil brands > > examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury and > > may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. " > > Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology, > > Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, > > Mass 02114, USA. > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? > > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ > > 4632570 & dopt=Abstract > > http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html > > > > And have you read this as a future MD? > > " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know " > > > > " In a medical environment in which messages molded by > pharmaceutical > > interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should > consider > > the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects and > the > > positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients > should > > be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for such a > > recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from many > > other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely > > as 'complementary medicines'. > > > > Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce > > cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA plus > > DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses can > be > > taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on juice. > > Recipients should be informed that there are multiple strategies > for > > increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their > usual > > dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach for > most > > individuals. " > > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1526555 > > > > Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood testing > of > > the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish oils > > not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use the > > liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA which > > isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please > don't > > take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and believe it > > wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once fish > oil is > > being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being > shared > > because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to > cover > > in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I just > > sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for cod > > liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil > needs > > blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend > regular > > blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for those > who > > eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation? > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/ > > > > And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of O3 > we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait. > > (but not stop using our fish oils) > > > > ===== > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Hi, I was wondering if anyone child that is taking the Nordic Natural omega 3,6,9 vitamin, has a loss of appetite? My son seems to not be eating as much. So Iam wondering if this is a side effect? Thanks > > > I would think the blood testing would be for those on > > high dosages > > > of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the > > fish > > > which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not made > > > from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this group - > > do > > > not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the > > > differences in the formulas of the oils? > > > > > > I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of any > > > old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and their > > > families were raised on fish oil for generations (as compelling > as > > > that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every > > aspect > > > and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on > > giving > > > our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish and > > Fish > > > Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks " > > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html > > > > > > Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites > > > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/ > > > > > > And favorite quotes: > > > > > > " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their > > > consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary artery > > > disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a > > source > > > of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil brands > > > examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury and > > > may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. " > > > Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology, > > > Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, > > > Mass 02114, USA. > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? > > > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ > > > 4632570 & dopt=Abstract > > > http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html > > > > > > And have you read this as a future MD? > > > " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know " > > > > > > " In a medical environment in which messages molded by > > pharmaceutical > > > interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should > > consider > > > the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects and > > the > > > positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients > > should > > > be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for such a > > > recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from many > > > other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely > > > as 'complementary medicines'. > > > > > > Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce > > > cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA > plus > > > DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses can > > be > > > taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on juice. > > > Recipients should be informed that there are multiple strategies > > for > > > increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their > > usual > > > dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach for > > most > > > individuals. " > > > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi? artid=1526555 > > > > > > Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood testing > > of > > > the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish > oils > > > not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use the > > > liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA which > > > isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please > > don't > > > take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and believe > it > > > wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once fish > > oil is > > > being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being > > shared > > > because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to > > cover > > > in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I just > > > sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for cod > > > liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil > > needs > > > blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend > > regular > > > blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for those > > who > > > eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation? > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/ > > > > > > And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of O3 > > we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait. > > > (but not stop using our fish oils) > > > > > > ===== > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Hi, I was wondering if anyone child that is taking the Nordic Natural omega 3,6,9 vitamin, has a loss of appetite? My son seems to not be eating as much. So Iam wondering if this is a side effect? Thanks > > > I would think the blood testing would be for those on > > high dosages > > > of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the > > fish > > > which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not made > > > from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this group - > > do > > > not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the > > > differences in the formulas of the oils? > > > > > > I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of any > > > old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and their > > > families were raised on fish oil for generations (as compelling > as > > > that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every > > aspect > > > and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on > > giving > > > our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish and > > Fish > > > Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks " > > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html > > > > > > Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites > > > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/ > > > > > > And favorite quotes: > > > > > > " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their > > > consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary artery > > > disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a > > source > > > of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil brands > > > examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury and > > > may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. " > > > Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology, > > > Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, > > > Mass 02114, USA. > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? > > > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ > > > 4632570 & dopt=Abstract > > > http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html > > > > > > And have you read this as a future MD? > > > " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know " > > > > > > " In a medical environment in which messages molded by > > pharmaceutical > > > interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should > > consider > > > the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects and > > the > > > positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients > > should > > > be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for such a > > > recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from many > > > other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely > > > as 'complementary medicines'. > > > > > > Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce > > > cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA > plus > > > DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses can > > be > > > taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on juice. > > > Recipients should be informed that there are multiple strategies > > for > > > increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their > > usual > > > dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach for > > most > > > individuals. " > > > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi? artid=1526555 > > > > > > Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood testing > > of > > > the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish > oils > > > not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use the > > > liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA which > > > isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please > > don't > > > take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and believe > it > > > wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once fish > > oil is > > > being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being > > shared > > > because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to > > cover > > > in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I just > > > sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for cod > > > liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil > > needs > > > blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend > > regular > > > blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for those > > who > > > eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation? > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/ > > > > > > And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of O3 > > we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait. > > > (but not stop using our fish oils) > > > > > > ===== > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 It doesn't sound like it. Although typically children go through stages of hunger where their bellys are bottemless pits, then the next week they eat like birds. Dawn in NJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 > > > I would think the blood testing would be for those on > > high dosages > > > of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the > > fish > > > which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not made > > > from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this group - > > do > > > not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the > > > differences in the formulas of the oils? > > > > > > I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of any > > > old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and their > > > families were raised on fish oil for generations (as compelling > as > > > that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every > > aspect > > > and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on > > giving > > > our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish and > > Fish > > > Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks " > > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html > > > > > > Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites > > > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/ > > > > > > And favorite quotes: > > > > > > " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their > > > consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary artery > > > disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a > > source > > > of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil brands > > > examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury and > > > may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. " > > > Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology, > > > Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, > > > Mass 02114, USA. > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? > > > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ > > > 4632570 & dopt=Abstract > > > http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html > > > > > > And have you read this as a future MD? > > > " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know " > > > > > > " In a medical environment in which messages molded by > > pharmaceutical > > > interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should > > consider > > > the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects and > > the > > > positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients > > should > > > be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for such a > > > recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from many > > > other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely > > > as 'complementary medicines'. > > > > > > Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce > > > cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA > plus > > > DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses can > > be > > > taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on juice. > > > Recipients should be informed that there are multiple strategies > > for > > > increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their > > usual > > > dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach for > > most > > > individuals. " > > > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi? artid=1526555 > > > > > > Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood testing > > of > > > the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish > oils > > > not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use the > > > liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA which > > > isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please > > don't > > > take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and believe > it > > > wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once fish > > oil is > > > being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being > > shared > > > because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to > > cover > > > in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I just > > > sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for cod > > > liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil > > needs > > > blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend > > regular > > > blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for those > > who > > > eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation? > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/ > > > > > > And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of O3 > > we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait. > > > (but not stop using our fish oils) > > > > > > ===== > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 It doesn't sound like it. Although typically children go through stages of hunger where their bellys are bottemless pits, then the next week they eat like birds. Dawn in NJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 > > > I would think the blood testing would be for those on > > high dosages > > > of cod liver oil or other fish oils made from the liver of the > > fish > > > which naturally contain vitamin A and D. Those fish oils not made > > > from the liver of the fish...which are what we use in this group - > > do > > > not contain vitamin A and D. Did your professors share the > > > differences in the formulas of the oils? > > > > > > I don't believe any of us in this group just take the word of any > > > old doctor or even grandparent who talks about how they and their > > > families were raised on fish oil for generations (as compelling > as > > > that is in itself)...this group doesn't always agree on every > > aspect > > > and all of us have gone to great lengths to find negative on > > giving > > > our children fish oils...and as this NIH article says " Fish and > > Fish > > > Oil's Benefits Far Outweigh Risks " > > > http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_40141.html > > > > > > Here's one of my favorite EFA education sites > > > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/ > > > > > > And favorite quotes: > > > > > > " CONCLUSIONS: Fish are rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and their > > > consumption is recommended to decrease the risk of coronary artery > > > disease. However, fish such as swordfish and shark are also a > > source > > > of exposure to the heavy metal toxin, mercury. The fish oil brands > > > examined in this manuscript have negligible amounts of mercury and > > > may provide a safer alternative to fish consumption. " > > > Division of Laboratory Medicine, Department of Pathology, > > > Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, > > > Mass 02114, USA. > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? > > > cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ > > > 4632570 & dopt=Abstract > > > http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/answers.html > > > > > > And have you read this as a future MD? > > > " Fish oil: what the prescriber needs to know " > > > > > > " In a medical environment in which messages molded by > > pharmaceutical > > > interests stress the 'need' for NSAIDs, prescribers should > > consider > > > the NSAID-sparing effects, the lack of serious side effects and > > the > > > positive health benefits of fish oil. Importantly, recipients > > should > > > be informed that there is a 'mainstream' evidence base for such a > > > recommendation, thereby distinguishing dietary n3 fats from many > > > other nonprescription items that are grouped loosely > > > as 'complementary medicines'. > > > > > > Although modest increases in intake of n3 LC PUFAs can reduce > > > cardiovascular risk, relatively large doses (¡Ý 2.7 g/day EPA > plus > > > DHA) are required for anti-inflammatory effects. These doses can > > be > > > taken efficiently and economically as liquid fish oil on juice. > > > Recipients should be informed that there are multiple strategies > > for > > > increasing n3 intake, and therefore, no matter what are their > > usual > > > dietary preferences, there should be an acceptable approach for > > most > > > individuals. " > > > http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi? artid=1526555 > > > > > > Please do post links to the studies that recommend blood testing > > of > > > the liver for those taking fish oil only if they involve fish > oils > > > not made from the liver of the fish...almost none of us use the > > > liver fish oils. (they are higher in the DHA then the EPA which > > > isn't the formula most of us find the most successful) Please > > don't > > > take this the wrong way...I respect medical doctors and believe > it > > > wonderful that you are in medical school and that for once fish > > oil is > > > being discussed...but I just hope all the right info is being > > shared > > > because the science of the O3s is complex and not something to > > cover > > > in a few classes. And if in fact after reviewing the links I just > > > sent as well as the reason for the blood testing would be for cod > > > liver oil you still believe those giving their child fish oil > > needs > > > blood testing...I have to wonder if you would also recommend > > regular > > > blood testing for damage to the liver and other organs for those > > who > > > eat at fast food restaurants. Did you see Fast Food Nation? > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/ > > > > > > And speaking of diet -let us know if you can get the levels of O3 > > we use in your step child's diet...we'll wait. > > > (but not stop using our fish oils) > > > > > > ===== > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Maybe the fish oil is upsetting his stomach. Are you giving it to him when he eats food? I have found that when I give my daughter her oil with her dinner, she eats well & doesn't complain . I noticed if I give them to her before bed, she is fussy all night long. Maybe breaking doses into 2 and giving him one at breakfast & 1 at lunch will help. also, bread might help " sop " up some oil :-) Hope that helps. Aubrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Maybe the fish oil is upsetting his stomach. Are you giving it to him when he eats food? I have found that when I give my daughter her oil with her dinner, she eats well & doesn't complain . I noticed if I give them to her before bed, she is fussy all night long. Maybe breaking doses into 2 and giving him one at breakfast & 1 at lunch will help. also, bread might help " sop " up some oil :-) Hope that helps. Aubrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Forgive me, I am new to this whole supplement thing..... I am looking to start my 2 yr old son on some Vitamins. I purchased the Nautical Naturals 3-6-9 and a bottle of Natural Vitamin E 400IU. Is 2 Nautical Naturals and one Vitamin E enough per day? What other supplements am I missing? What is EPA? What is alpha-d- tocophorol? What is gamma 200-300 mg and what does it have to do with vitamin E? I really want to try this supplement thing but I have no help from the pediatrician since he does not believe in it. Help!!!! Michele > > Fish oil is safe...hard to overdose. Upper limit of safety for > vitamin E = 1 gram (1500 IU). > > Try 2 omega 3/6/9 + 1 EPA twice a day, plus a 400 IU alpha-d- > tocophorol twice a day. If you are seeing great results after a few > weeks, you can go up to 3 times a day. If planning long-term vit E > supplements, also add a gamma 200-300mg (I use gamma E from Jarrow, > but there are other brands, and some of the alpha supplements that > come with gamma added. - > > > Hi Gang > > > > I jumped in with increasing fish oil and adding E back in the end of > > August--thanks again, !!!!!!!!!! > > > > How much is safe for my 41 pound 6 year old son? > > > > > > Kathleen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 Forgive me, I am new to this whole supplement thing..... I am looking to start my 2 yr old son on some Vitamins. I purchased the Nautical Naturals 3-6-9 and a bottle of Natural Vitamin E 400IU. Is 2 Nautical Naturals and one Vitamin E enough per day? What other supplements am I missing? What is EPA? What is alpha-d- tocophorol? What is gamma 200-300 mg and what does it have to do with vitamin E? I really want to try this supplement thing but I have no help from the pediatrician since he does not believe in it. Help!!!! Michele > > Fish oil is safe...hard to overdose. Upper limit of safety for > vitamin E = 1 gram (1500 IU). > > Try 2 omega 3/6/9 + 1 EPA twice a day, plus a 400 IU alpha-d- > tocophorol twice a day. If you are seeing great results after a few > weeks, you can go up to 3 times a day. If planning long-term vit E > supplements, also add a gamma 200-300mg (I use gamma E from Jarrow, > but there are other brands, and some of the alpha supplements that > come with gamma added. - > > > Hi Gang > > > > I jumped in with increasing fish oil and adding E back in the end of > > August--thanks again, !!!!!!!!!! > > > > How much is safe for my 41 pound 6 year old son? > > > > > > Kathleen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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