Re: new initiate from Germany

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Welcome Catharine, you will probably find some folks over there on this list that can help you out. Don't worry about people saying this will kill you, none of us have died yet. Almost all of us feel healthier than ever and literally walk with a lighter step to the low carb WOE.

I have to chuckle, Wanda and I were talking about the naughty corner off list. That is a place I tend to go to every weekend. Anyway, I saw the subject line and read it as "new inmate from Germany". LOL - I thought someone else was coming to visit Kim and I in the naughty corner.

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PS - Wanda, how was that? I didn't tell Terry about your recliner in the naughty corner, it's still our secret! LOL

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Do you girls mean to tell me that Wanda has moved FURNITURE into the Naughty Corner? That is supposed to be a place of torment and anguish, punishment for misdeeds, as close as you can get to Hell on Earth. And you girls are MOVING IN La-Z-Boys?

That's enough of that nonsense! All of you . . . out of the Naughy Corner! Right now. Back on the straight and narrow. I'm sending in furniture movers to haul away all the creature comforts in that Corner. You've probably got a bag of those new chocolate filled Oreos in there too, you recalcitrant children!

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No, NO, NOOOO! We don't have any chocolate filled Oreos in there! I didn't even know they made chocolate filled Oreos! Just what are you doing in the cookie aisle anyway, Terry? Will we be seeing you in the now furniture-less naughty corner?

Hey, Wanda, just in case Terry removes the phone, I'll bring my cell phone so we can still call out for dessert pizza!

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Can we send Terry to the naughty corner, now devoid of furniture, for

bringing up illegal food and tempting all those on the straight and narrow?

Jean

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isn't a chocolate filled oreo just a fudgeo?

Kirstie

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Welcome :-)

Nobody dies on Atkins - in fact, most of us feel a whole heck of a lot

better! Just make sure to eat your veggies (this isn't no carb) and take a

good multivitamin to cover anything you may miss. As with any diet, if you

have any health concerns, you should check with a doctor before starting.

Which non-carbohydrate foods are you referring to? The foods listed for

induction aren't necessarily free of carbs, just that if you follow his

induction guidlines and eat protein, fat, moderate amounts of cream and

cheese, and a salad or veggie at lunch and dinner, you'll be under 20 carbs

a day which is the induction level. An alternative way of doing induction

is to count every carb that crosses your lips (beverages included) and

create your own meal plans at under 20 per day. The turtle menus that Terry

put together (link at the bottom of each email) are based on 20 carbs a day

and are a good template to follow.

If you are lucky, the German labels will actually report accurate

carbohydrate info. Those in the US have to deal with funky labelling laws

that allow manufacturers to say 0 carbs if there is less than 1 carb per

serving. This leads to horrible misconceptions about things like 0 carb

cream (no such thing!).

If you don't have access to low carb products, consider it a mixed blessing.

They can be a problem food for some people. You'll be healthier in the long

run staying away from processed foods and getting most of your daily carbs

from veggies, nuts, cream, cheese, eggs, etc. I'm in Canada and can't get a

lot of that stuff either (without paying an arm and a leg for shipping,

duty, and conversion).

Kirstie

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personally, I fell in love with the changers oreos over my week of debautcherous (sp) behavior! tee hee hee

But! I am back on the straight and narrow as of two days now... and even down one more pound!! Day two of induction going good so far!

<-- who just loved watching her milk turn pink

Hugs,282/247/160 3/6/01

-----Original Message-----From: Stever, JorgiAnne (NRSW N8222) Chocolate filled Oreo's? When did this happen? *perk*Jorgi 244/237.5/230(mini goal)/150 6/13/01

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Hi ,

I know how frustrating Germany can be. I was there for nine months and never

got used to having to visit the pharmacy for things I would pick up at 7-11

here. Not to mention everything is closed all the time!

I believe that Schlecker has a wide variety of herbal supliments. The

labling in Germany might abide by different standards than here. It would

seem that a lot of things here that say they have no carbs actually have

between 0.1 - 0.4, and things that say they have <1 carb are between 0.5 -

0.9. (to be honest, I don't remember things generally having nutrition

labels, at all)

I didn't start Atkins until I returned to the states, though. But, you're

lucky that Germany is the land of meat! Just avoid the beef, LOL .

If you stick with things like salads, eggs, meats, cream, cheese, buts, etc

(natural products)--I think you should be OK. Use the carb counter at

lowcarbfriends.com if you can't find or don't trust the labels there.

Zsasmine

" An average sentence, in a German newspaper, is a sublime and impressive

curiosity; it occupies a quarter of a column; it contains all the ten parts

of speech -- not in regular order, but mixed; it is built mainly of compound

words constructed by the writer on the spot, and not to be found in any

dictionary -- six or seven words compacted into one, without joint or seam

-- that is, without hyphens; it treats of fourteen or fifteen different

subjects, each inclosed in a parenthesis of its own, with here and there

extra parentheses which reinclose three or four of the minor parentheses,

making pens within pens: finally, all the parentheses and reparentheses are

massed together between a couple of king-parentheses, one of which is placed

in the first line of the majestic sentence and the other in the middle of

the last line of it -- after which comes the VERB, and you find out for the

first time what the man has been talking about; and after the verb -- merely

by way of ornament, as far as I can make out -- the writer shovels in " haben

sind gewesen gehabt haben geworden sein, " or words to that effect, and the

monument is finished. "

-- Mark Twain (That Awful German Language)

>

>Reply-To: Atkins_Support_List

>To: Atkins_Support_List

>Subject: new initiate from Germany

>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:34:23 +0200

>

>I've been lurking for awhile, but decided it was time to introduce

>myself and also pose a question. The group seems to be very

>supportive and a good source of information, and I hope that I, too,

>can contribute.

>

>A brief background - I've been overweight nearly all my life, well

>into the " obese " category on various charts (currently 155 cm and 80

>kg, which is 5'1 " and 176 lbs), but up until the last few years, I

>was always active and fit: ran two marathons, several cycling

>marathons (300 km in a day once), long cycling trips (3000 km in a

>month around the Baltic Sea), mountain climbing, rock climbing,

>skiing, ... you get the idea. The book " Fit or Fat " by Covert

>always irritated me, because I was fit AND fat, but until recently

>the extra fat didn't overly concern me (although I've had a longtime

>interest in nutrition theories and have experimented here and there

>with low fat diets).

>

>Since giving birth three years ago, however, my time for exercise

>diminished greatly, along with the creative energy needed to keep

>eating in check. I haven't put on a significant amount of weight, but

>I suspect that a lot of muscle is now fat. The stress of an active

>and strong-willed three year old as well as a full time demanding job

>has affected my health, and I suspect that a high intake of refined

>carbohydrates has contributed to bouts of depression and lassitude.

>

>Anyway, I am now ready for a change, and the departure of my husband

>overseas for 2 1/2 months means that I can now plan my eating without

>dissent. I've recently reread the Atkins book, and would like to give

>the programme a fair try. The eventual maintenance diet looks sound,

>and I could easily imagine doing it for the rest of my life. However

>with regard to the induction part,it's been somewhat disheartening

>doing a search of " Atkins " on german web sites, only to find that

>everyone recommends strongly against it, even to the point of saying

>that people have died. One thing that emerges from reading their

>criticism is that it is crucial to drink enough water and to

>supplement the vitamin and mineral intake.

>

>So I am nearly ready to go, except that I want to have the larder

>stocked and appropriate supplements on hand so that I can start it

>right. The problem? Germany is a very different consumer market than

>the USA, and even vitamins of the " One-a-Day " sort are not available.

>Worse, many of the non-carbohydrate foods listed by Atkins have

>moderate amounts of carbohydrate here according to the labels. So, to

>my question:

>

>Does anyone on this list have experience with doing the induction

>part of the Atkins programme in Germany? or other parts of Europe?

>Also, I would be grateful for any information on german support

>groups. I looked in the usenet archive and found nothing.

>

>Thanks in advance!

>

>

>--

>catherine.mccammon@...

>--

>catherine.mccammon@...

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now I'm confused... what was making your milk turn pink?

Kirstie

<-- who just loved watching her milk turn pink

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In order to get to the good stuff in WinCo (where I buy my groceries) I

first have to pass the cookie isle, then the snack food isle, then the

BAKERY and then the candy bar isle. Ever think American sugar corperation

are trying to sabatoge consumers?

The most tempting thing is those chocolate filled oreos... I figure I'll

have a couple when i get under 200.

BTW--an aside, I've been on Atkins a month now (1 month yesterday) and lost

21 pounds (that makes me 224). I'm hoping to lose 10 more before the end of

July.

>You've probably got a bag of those new chocolate filled Oreos in there too,

>you recalcitrant children!

>

>

>Terry

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>

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Congratulations, Zsas! Excellent start.

Terry168/159/156 (minigoal)/ ? (To be determined)

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Art brought home a package of those new "O" things. They are just like the regular ones, except the creme filling is chocolate (not dark, like fudge, just chocolate).

I've seen those Changers "O"s in the new Super Walmart, but only in the orange flavor. Again, they are the regular outsides, with a colored, flavored creme filling, which, when dunked in a glass of milk, changes the color from white to the color of the filling.

Can't imagine why that is necessary . . . dunking them in milk, to me, is just a waste of a perfectly good "O".

And, by the way, I'm the Mama, and what I say goes, you bad naughty girls. Phone privileges are in danger of being revoked unless you kids straighten up and fly right. I'm moving a bed of nails into the corner, along with an electric chair. NOW we'll see who's having fun in the Naughty Corner!

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I think I may need to fly right or find someone else's naughty corner, it just doesn't sound nearly as good now. Bummer. I think Terry needs to get more sleep at night, that bed of nails was probably interfering! Terry, make sure you get at least 6 hours of sleep every night. That will give Wanda and I time to go out and play.

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>>>You've probably got a bag of those new chocolate filled Oreos in >>>there

>>>too, you recalcitrant children!

I didn't like them as much as I thought I would.

Wanda

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Sounds great Jean. I'll bring a bag of the chocolate oreo's for you to

taste. I don't know how many carbs they have but if we don't use up any

carbs on vegies or salad or anything we should be able to swing it. Or, we

can call it a planned cheat day!

Wanda

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>>>Can we send Terry to the naughty corner, now devoid of furniture, >>>for

>>>bringing up illegal food and tempting all those on the straight >>>and

>>>narrow?

Yeah, Terry, what about that? The next thing you know you'll be talking

about Krispy Kremes and stirring up real trouble.

Wanda

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, Are you eating those new color change oreo's?

>>Kirstie - now I'm confused... what was making your milk turn pink?

>> <-- who just loved watching her milk turn pink

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Wanda,

We need to be quiet so that Terry can get some sleep. I hear she is kind of

grouchy these days! LOL Of course she is also in heaven these days! Go

check her posts if you haven't already.

Jean

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An electric chair? Does it vibrate and do warm massage and stuff? Hey,

if it's one of those with a built in cooler we can stash our snacks! OOOOO

Better yet, we wire the chair to the bed of nails, poke hot dogs and

marshallows on the nails and ZAP! instant hot meal.

Wanda

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Perhaps a few nights on the bed of nails for your cat would teach him a

thing or two.

Wanda

>>One of my cats seems to be in a pattern of wanting to play at 4:00 in

>> >>the morning. I'm going to have to put a stop to that silly notion!

>>Jean

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I'm not sure you meant that in a nice way. *pout* I love the picture of

Duncan though. What an angel.

Wanda

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Does anyone on this list have experience with doing the induction

part of the Atkins programme in Germany? or other parts of Europe?

Also, I would be grateful for any information on german support

groups. I looked in the usenet archive and found nothing.

Thanks in advance!

,

Yes, I have done the induction program of atkins in Germany in fact

in the HEART of Germany It is definately possible

I'm not really active on the list as of now as I'm in the states

making the final preparations for my June 30th wedding. I should be

more active after July 8th.

There are many things not available and I chose not to eat sausage

and beef but, that's a personal decision with BSE.

You can definately do atkins and sucessfully. I've lost approx. 75

lbs since the beginning of this year and more specifics regarding

inches and weight lost will be forth coming shortly.

Are you a German or American? Where are you located in Germany?

Bobbi Jo

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,

Sometimes it's better to be in Germany and on an American list LOL

Then, you can't get to those naughty new comers such as chocolate

filled oreos although you can find regular oreos [personal faves of

double stuffed haven't be sighted at least by me in germany] of

course I'm not looking..... LOL

Bobbi Jo

> Chocolate filled Oreo's? When did this happen? *perk*

>

> Jorgi

> 244/237.5/230(mini goal)/150

> 6/13/01

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> If you are lucky, the German labels will actually report accurate

> carbohydrate info. Those in the US have to deal with funky

labelling laws

> that allow manufacturers to say 0 carbs if there is less than 1

carb per

> serving. This leads to horrible misconceptions about things like 0

carb

> cream (no such thing!).

**Unfortunately, many foods do not have labels and if they do it's

not realistic portions almost all those that have labels are based on

100 grams so sometimes a lot of math is needed. lol

I tried to stay to basics and used the USDA database or

www.fitday.com or sometimes I use a personal spreadsheet for common

items that I eat.

>

> If you don't have access to low carb products, consider it a mixed

blessing.

> They can be a problem food for some people. You'll be healthier in

the long

> run staying away from processed foods and getting most of your

daily carbs

> from veggies, nuts, cream, cheese, eggs, etc. I'm in Canada and

can't get a

> lot of that stuff either (without paying an arm and a leg for

shipping,

> duty, and conversion).

>

I'm with you Kristie stay basic when possible.

Bobbi Jo

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> Hi ,

>

> I know how frustrating Germany can be.

***I'll second that! lol I lived there for nine months so far and

return there again beg of July. But, atkins is do-able just a bit

challenging sometimes. I began Atkins the beginning of January.

Just hang in there and feel free to ask questions

Bobbi Jo