Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 WOWIE, someone that agrees with me! LOL Yes, I agree to follow my Dr.s orders. I realize that all doctors and nutrionists differ in there opinions or post-op diets. I say what ever works for one person may not work for others....but as far as I have been told, the skim milk certainly won't hurt me/I have been tolerating it since day 4. Pamela " Complete healing depends upon our ability to stop struggling. " Re: Oprah and milk > > > i can drink 1 % and sometimes 2% becareful though the fats in the > milk can make ya dump... at least it does with me... > > jean henry > > > > Good Morning Everyone, > > > > I seldom watch Oprah. SOOOOO what did I miss. Did she trash the > WLS? Somebody post what was said on the show. > > > > Also some of the data says no milk. My Dr. recommends milk with > the protein shakes. > > My surgery is tomorrow so can someone tell me why no milk? I know > the Dr. can be good surgeons but not up to the latest on > nutrition or > it's reaction to their WLS patients. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Alice > > California > > pruntky@e... > > 310/276 > > Lap RNY 11/11/02 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 That is fine by me. Whatever works for ya! Pamela " Complete healing depends upon our ability to stop struggling. " Re: Re: Oprah and milk I rebuke SUGAR and send it to the pit!!!!!!!!!!!! To Subscribe to 's weekly FREE Newsletter send an email to GBCookbook-subscribe@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 I don't do more scoops in my shake as I can NOT handle anymore then what I put in. Do you eat fruit?? Just wondering, 'cause that has sugar in it. Sure I am in the honeymoon phase, but as long as I am only having 16 ounces of SKIM milk daily with my shakes I am not really gonna worry about it at all. We all will take in some sorts of sugars whether they are natural sugars or additives. From what i've been told if I should happen to, after the honeymoon phase, start to not loose anylonger, I sure will cut out those 16 ounces of skim milk and see what happens. I also will be asking my nutrionist and surgeon about what this bit of sugar from milk is doing to my body...if it's doing something wrong. Pamela " Complete healing depends upon our ability to stop struggling. " Re: Oprah and milk i can drink 1 % and sometimes 2% becareful though the fats in the milk can make ya dump... at least it does with me... jean henry > Good Morning Everyone, > > I seldom watch Oprah. SOOOOO what did I miss. Did she trash the WLS? Somebody post what was said on the show. > > Also some of the data says no milk. My Dr. recommends milk with the protein shakes. > My surgery is tomorrow so can someone tell me why no milk? I know the Dr. can be good surgeons but not up to the latest on nutrition or it's reaction to their WLS patients. > > Thank you. > > Alice > California > pruntky@e... > 310/276 > Lap RNY 11/11/02 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 MY WORD, its not like I am down chocolate bars or snickers. And you know what? Water is in my glass, all day long. Again, do you people eat fruit at all? Or drink fruit juices? Just wondering, cause no one seems to mind about the sugar in those. " Complete healing depends upon our ability to stop struggling. " Re: Re: Oprah and milk The " key " word is SUGAR and to all of us in any amount means FAT and we all know what that means!!!!!!! Sugar is sweet and tempting but evil at it's core. Who here wants to gain weight??? Raise your glasses (now let's count who has water and who has milk)! To Subscribe to 's weekly FREE Newsletter send an email to GBCookbook-subscribe@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 I am not going to argue this out. I really didn't come to this board to 'argue'...Know what I mean? So why don't you all just forget I even said that I was drinking the DREADED skim milk in my protein shakes......GEESH. Pamela " Complete healing depends upon our ability to stop struggling. " Re: Re: Oprah and milk The " key " word is SUGAR and to all of us in any amount means FAT and we all know what that means!!!!!!! Sugar is sweet and tempting but evil at it's core. Who here wants to gain weight??? Raise your glasses (now let's count who has water and who has milk)! To Subscribe to 's weekly FREE Newsletter send an email to GBCookbook-subscribe@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 No fruit juice for me. (or milk). I approach fruit with caution. I'm wearing a few fruit pounds from this summer still. Wasn't eating much fruit, but apparently too much. Sugar is sugar. Without the duodenum to sort it out, it's all just sugar & sugar will make me fat again. No question. m Re: Re: Oprah and milk The " key " word is SUGAR and to all of us in any amount means FAT and we all know what that means!!!!!!! Sugar is sweet and tempting but evil at it's core. Who here wants to gain weight??? Raise your glasses (now let's count who has water and who has milk)! To Subscribe to 's weekly FREE Newsletter send an email to GBCookbook-subscribe@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 Pamela - Milk is a controversial subject. I'm glad you trust your nutririonist, and that the milk is working for you. If you ever experience a slow down in your weight loss, eliminating the milk, and instead adding another water-mixed protein drink or two, might make a difference. Just tuck that away in your brain just in case you need it down the road. Take care. Jeanne in WI Age 39 Open RNY 05/21/2002 314/ 241/150-175 5' 8 " djgraves@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 I think that you're misunderstanding me. I'm not talking about " handling " sugar - natural or otherwise. I'm talking about CHOOSING weight loss over sugar. I know people who can " handle " a 3 Musketeers bar - meaning that they don't dump or get sick from eating it. Does that mean that they SHOULD eat it? Of course not! You may think that there's no problem because you're not eating much right now, but now is the time to form good eating habits and get off the sugar while it's still easy to do. It's great - terrific! - that you've lost 35 pounds. You wouldn't gain from the milk at this point, but how many more pounds would you have lost without the milk? May not seem like a big thing now when you're losing quickly no matter what you do, but it will be a huge thing a year from now when your weight loss has stalled and you're still 50 pounds from goal. I know way too many people in that position who said all along that making their shakes with milk isn't hurting them. Now they regret that choice. The milk just isn't worth those 50 pounds. That's not to say that you can't get to goal and drink milk. You can, and some people do, but it's got to be harder. And then maintaining while drinking all that sugar ... well, you can see how it just gets harder and harder. Now is the time to break the sugar habit, while it's easiest. Lots of us followed our surgeons post op instructions " to a T " as you put it and have ended up stuck at that same 50 pounds from goal. Our surgeons are great at the cutting part, that's why we trust them. They're not trained in nutrition though, and what little training they have is on normal people - not GB people. The nutritionists that we see are trained on normal people as well. They just don't know about WLS people and our needs. WE need to take charge of our OWN health and do our OWN research, because no one else will do it for us. Talk to the long term posties. You'll find that the ones who have achieved and maintained goal weight are the ones who avoid sugar - in ALL forms, including milk. ------------------------------------------------ Terry Mayers 5DollarHosting.comT http://www.5dollarhosting.com (877)-838-HOST / .... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! R Re: Re: Oprah and milk PLENTY of people handle 'natural' sugars....ie: fruit, skim milk. Again, with the small amount of food I actually put in my mouth there is no problem here. I am 27 days out and have followed my instructions post-op to a " T " , I have lost (not gained from having skim milk in my protein shakes) 35 lbs. I wouldn't take anything above skim milk....Come on now...is it really 2 little glasses of skim milk that will push you over the edge and make you gain weight? I just don't think so. Pamela " Complete healing depends upon our ability to stop struggling. " Re: Re: Oprah and milk The " key " word is SUGAR and to all of us in any amount means FAT and we all know what that means!!!!!!! Sugar is sweet and tempting but evil at it's core. Who here wants to gain weight??? Raise your glasses (now let's count who has water and who has milk)! To Subscribe to 's weekly FREE Newsletter send an email to GBCookbook-subscribe@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 Re: Re: Oprah and milk << I don't do more scoops in my shake as I can NOT handle anymore then what I put in. >> That's understandable since you're such a new postie. I couldn't do a full shake until around 2 months out. You could break it up a little more and add a third 1/2 shake somewhere else in the day. << Do you eat fruit?? Just wondering, 'cause that has sugar in it. >> Personally, I don't eat fruit. Way too much sugar for me, plus I don't like fruit. Lots of people eat fruit, but in moderation. Fruit has other beneficial stuff that we can make use of, like fiber and vitamins. I don't know the specifics because I don't like fruit anyway, but I know that there's nothing in milk that's beneficial enough to outweigh all the sugar. << Sure I am in the honeymoon phase, but as long as I am only having 16 ounces of SKIM milk daily with my shakes I am not really gonna worry about it at all. >> 16 ounces of milk is at least 26 grams of sugar. Skim is probably even higher than that. You'd be better off with higher fat milk because at least we malabsorb some of the fat. We absorb ALL of the sugar. << We all will take in some sorts of sugars whether they are natural sugars or additives. >> True, but the trick is to know where you're getting that sugar from so you can minimize it if possible. << From what i've been told if I should happen to, after the honeymoon phase, start to not loose anylonger, I sure will cut out those 16 ounces of skim milk and see what happens. >> At that point, the pounds that you've missed out on losing are at worst a lost opportunity, or at best much harder to get off. << I also will be asking my nutrients and surgeon about what this bit of sugar from milk is doing to my body...if it's doing something wrong. >> Hopefully they'll be willing to listen, but most likely not. More than likely, they'll tell you to stop listening to people on the internet like mine did. Ask your surgeon how many of his patients make it to goal, and how many are still there 5-10 years later. ------------------------------------------------ Terry Mayers 5DollarHosting.comT http://www.5dollarhosting.com (877)-838-HOST / .... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 Good for you ! KEEP being afraid of the sugar, that will help your weight loss. It's when we're no longer scared of sugar that we're in trouble. ------------------------------------------------ Terry Mayers 5DollarHosting.comT http://www.5dollarhosting.com (877)-838-HOST / .... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! R Re: Re: Oprah and milk I had my surgery 8 weeks ago today. I do not drink milk of any kind and I also have not eaten any fruit, I'm afraid of the sugar in both. I drink my 6 protein shakes a day with water -- always have and always will -- thank you and B. in Sacramento, CA Lap RNY 9-16 Starting weight (3/02)... 380 Pre-op weight (9/6/02)... 316 Current weight (11/4/02)... 280 Total weight loss... -100 5'1 " -- Goal 130 " Beauty is soul deep. Learn that and you may realize that you are far more attractive than you ever thought. " by Steve Goodier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 I hear you Tanah! I had a revision on my 2 year WLS anniversary because I followed my surgeon's wonderful post-op nutritional plan. He's a great surgeon, and I'd trust him completely to operate on me again (and have, he did my emergency appendectomy 15 months ago - he didn't do the revision though), but he's got no clue when it comes to nutrition. ------------------------------------------------ Terry Mayers 5DollarHosting.comT http://www.5dollarhosting.com (877)-838-HOST / .... because it shouldn't cost a fortune to make a fortune! R Re: Re: Oprah and milk Aloha Terry, I hear ya.....I got " comfortable " and started with sugar in many forms and gained 7lbs and it is a b1tch to work it off and it certainly isn't worth the " cream in my coffee " LOLOL I had to say it!. Now that I am 2.5 yrs post I have to be even more careful than my early days. I regret slipping up and indulging in sugars in any form they came in. Water here in my tall tropical coconut shell Aloha, Tanah To Subscribe to 's weekly FREE Newsletter send an email to GBCookbook-subscribe@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 Ok, here it goes one last time....I AM, AM, AM getting in all the protein that I am supposed to be!! What a brewhaha this is turning in to being... " my surgeon is better and more knowledgable than your surgeon " ...how ridiculous. Listen, PLEASE....as I said before, I will go over this sugar in my skim milk thing with my surgeon and nutrionist tomorrow. I am VERY SORRY I even posted that I drink skim milk, feel like some people are wanting to burn me at the stake for doing what 'my' nutrionist/surgeon have told me is ok to do. Pamela " Complete healing depends upon our ability to stop struggling. " Re: Re: Oprah and milk In a message dated 11/11/2002 6:44:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, melau@... writes: > on Pamela .i have always said that if you listen to everyone about > this milk thing > you wind up needing to shake your head clear , my way of thinking !!!! > as my Dr. says if you can ,you can ,if you can not you can not , follow > what your Dr. says ,they are better at this then we all > think we are ! Ethel > > How many surgeons can raise their hands and say that they had gastric bypass several years ago, continue to drink milk, not enough protein supplements, AND have maintained their weight loss within two pounds (7 YEARS HERE). <--not a surgeon, but waving hands with NO milk moostache, and enough protein to keep my muscles going... after getting slapped upside the head, of course! KAREN B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 Jeanne, I have stated that from the beginning.....If I ever have a problem of a standstill, etc...Milk will be the first thing I cut out. Thank you for the email! Pamela " Complete healing depends upon our ability to stop struggling. " Re: Re: Oprah and milk Pamela - Milk is a controversial subject. I'm glad you trust your nutririonist, and that the milk is working for you. If you ever experience a slow down in your weight loss, eliminating the milk, and instead adding another water-mixed protein drink or two, might make a difference. Just tuck that away in your brain just in case you need it down the road. Take care. Jeanne in WI Age 39 Open RNY 05/21/2002 314/ 241/150-175 5' 8 " djgraves@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 IF you had read my previous emails you would know that my nutrionist HAS been working strictly with gastric bypass patients of all kinds for 10 plus years! I 'get' what you are saying and I am saying to you that it is all in moderation. I don't eat any sweets at this time, and hope to never ever want them again, but...say if a year or so down the line I want a piece of a Snickers bar, I surely will have it and not persecute myself for doing so. I have, right here at home, a Mother who is just about 11 years out of having gastric bypass surgery and a sister who is 4 years out.....they have never not had something that they really wanted and both have maintained their goal weight for a long time now. Listen, if you don't like/want skim milk in your diet...by all means, don't drink it. But you trying to constantly push the 'no milk cart' my way and the way you are doing so is only frustrating and upsetting me.....So let us just close this subject altogether and agree to disagree. Thanks (hope you read this in it's entirety) Pamela " Complete healing depends upon our ability to stop struggling. " Re: Re: Oprah and milk The " key " word is SUGAR and to all of us in any amount means FAT and we all know what that means!!!!!!! Sugar is sweet and tempting but evil at it's core. Who here wants to gain weight??? Raise your glasses (now let's count who has water and who has milk)! To Subscribe to 's weekly FREE Newsletter send an email to GBCookbook-subscribe@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 We all need to learn to agree to disagree, and move on. That way NO one feels like they are being personally attacked. Even the best intentions might not be meant as an attack, if you are the person asking the question and others go on and on about it does become personal. Pamela good luck hon with your loss. Good for you. And you have to feel comfortable with who you trust. Deb in Cleveland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 Thank you Deb. Pamela " Complete healing depends upon our ability to stop struggling. " Re: Re: Oprah and milk We all need to learn to agree to disagree, and move on. That way NO one feels like they are being personally attacked. Even the best intentions might not be meant as an attack, if you are the person asking the question and others go on and on about it does become personal. Pamela good luck hon with your loss. Good for you. And you have to feel comfortable with who you trust. Deb in Cleveland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 pam in my opnion what people are saying is to be careful.... sometimes after wls people become lactose intollerant as well as some will have trouble with eggs.... doctors and nutritionists can tell you what is best for you and tell you what there studies say but most of them havent lived thru wls... i dont mean to knock anyone hear but ya know sometimes friendly advice is nice to get... i drink 1 % and once in a while 2 % but im very cautious with them... i dont drink it daily its about once every two weeks... just be careful with it.... we are just wanting to help you... not dog ya in anyway... my .02 jean henry > Ok, here it goes one last time....I AM, AM, AM getting in all the protein that I am supposed to be!! > > What a brewhaha this is turning in to being... " my surgeon is better and more knowledgable than your surgeon " ...how ridiculous. > > Listen, PLEASE....as I said before, I will go over this sugar in my skim milk thing with my surgeon and nutrionist tomorrow. > > I am VERY SORRY I even posted that I drink skim milk, feel like some people are wanting to burn me at the stake for doing what 'my' nutrionist/surgeon have told me is ok to do. > > Pamela > > " Complete healing depends upon our > ability to stop struggling. " > Re: Re: Oprah and milk > > > In a message dated 11/11/2002 6:44:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, > melau@b... writes: > > > on Pamela .i have always said that if you listen to everyone about > > this milk thing > > you wind up needing to shake your head clear , my way of thinking !!!! > > as my Dr. says if you can ,you can ,if you can not you can not , follow > > what your Dr. says ,they are better at this then we all > > think we are ! Ethel > > > > > > How many surgeons can raise their hands and say that they had gastric bypass > several years ago, continue to drink milk, not enough protein supplements, > AND have maintained their weight loss within two pounds (7 YEARS HERE). > > <--not a surgeon, but waving hands with NO milk moostache, and enough protein > to keep my muscles going... after getting slapped upside the head, of course! > > KAREN B > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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