Re: Oprah and milk

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/10/2002 2:34:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,

pruntky@... writes:

> My Dr. recommends milk with the protein shakes.

> My surgery is tomorrow so can someone tell me why no milk?

A lot of people discover they are (or really HAVE been) lactose intolerant

after surgery. It does depend on how much you are bypassed (from what I have

heard). Although I believe even if your doc says " no milk " some people still

are able to tolerate it. I, on the other hand, haven't been able to tolerate

milk (nor my family due to my HORRIBLE gas and diarrhea and cramps LOL) so I

have chosen not to do milk. If you check the ingredients on milk cartons,

there is anywhere from 12 to 22 grams of sugar in an 8 oz serving of milk

along with 80 to 140 calories. Those calories really serve no purpose, and

the sugar you will absorb into your body, which slows your weight loss down.

As my surgeon says " milk is for babies " . I haven't had a glass of milk in

nearly 7 years :-) and I do NOT miss it. I have had sips here and there,

but that's it. Sometimes foods have hidden milk in them, i.e., fetaccini,

creamed soups, etc. Have to also be careful of those.

B

Distal RNY 12/27/95

275/155

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/10/02 2:34:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,

pruntky@... writes:

> Alice

> California

Alice....what part of California? I am in Manteca.

Best of luck to you!!

Terri

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/10/02 2:34:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,

pruntky@... writes:

> Alice

> California

Alice....what part of California? I am in Manteca.

Best of luck to you!!

Terri

[Guest guest]

i can drink 1 % and sometimes 2% becareful though the fats in the

milk can make ya dump... at least it does with me...

jean henry

> Good Morning Everyone,

>

> I seldom watch Oprah. SOOOOO what did I miss. Did she trash the

WLS? Somebody post what was said on the show.

>

> Also some of the data says no milk. My Dr. recommends milk with

the protein shakes.

> My surgery is tomorrow so can someone tell me why no milk? I know

the Dr. can be good surgeons but not up to the latest on nutrition or

it's reaction to their WLS patients.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Alice

> California

> pruntky@e...

> 310/276

> Lap RNY 11/11/02

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do mix my protein shakes with 8 oz. of skim milk. It adds another 8 grams of

protein to the shake and totals it out to 32 grams.

Who told me to mix it like this? My surgeons on staff nutritionist who has been

dealing with and studying the effects of nutrition on gastric bypass patients

for 10 years now. I trust her completely.

Pamela

" Complete healing depends upon our

ability to stop struggling. "

Re: Oprah and milk

i can drink 1 % and sometimes 2% becareful though the fats in the

milk can make ya dump... at least it does with me...

jean henry

> Good Morning Everyone,

>

> I seldom watch Oprah. SOOOOO what did I miss. Did she trash the

WLS? Somebody post what was said on the show.

>

> Also some of the data says no milk. My Dr. recommends milk with

the protein shakes.

> My surgery is tomorrow so can someone tell me why no milk? I know

the Dr. can be good surgeons but not up to the latest on nutrition or

it's reaction to their WLS patients.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Alice

> California

> pruntky@e...

> 310/276

> Lap RNY 11/11/02

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My doc discovered by accident that his lactose intolerant people lost more wt

than his milk drinkers. Since then, he has advised no moo. It's not the fat,

it's the sugar.

Since he made me pretty thin, I tend to believe him. I am terribly lactose

intolerant, BUT were I not, I'm scared of milk. I watch it fatten up babies and

I'm not going there.

m

Oprah and milk

Good Morning Everyone,

I seldom watch Oprah. SOOOOO what did I miss. Did she trash the WLS?

Somebody post what was said on the show.

Also some of the data says no milk. My Dr. recommends milk with the protein

shakes.

My surgery is tomorrow so can someone tell me why no milk? I know the Dr. can

be good surgeons but not up to the latest on nutrition or it's reaction to their

WLS patients.

Thank you.

Alice

California

pruntky@...

310/276

Lap RNY 11/11/02

[Guest guest]

My doc discovered by accident that his lactose intolerant people lost more wt

than his milk drinkers. Since then, he has advised no moo. It's not the fat,

it's the sugar.

Since he made me pretty thin, I tend to believe him. I am terribly lactose

intolerant, BUT were I not, I'm scared of milk. I watch it fatten up babies and

I'm not going there.

m

Oprah and milk

Good Morning Everyone,

I seldom watch Oprah. SOOOOO what did I miss. Did she trash the WLS?

Somebody post what was said on the show.

Also some of the data says no milk. My Dr. recommends milk with the protein

shakes.

My surgery is tomorrow so can someone tell me why no milk? I know the Dr. can

be good surgeons but not up to the latest on nutrition or it's reaction to their

WLS patients.

Thank you.

Alice

California

pruntky@...

310/276

Lap RNY 11/11/02

[Guest guest]

Hi there......what about soy milk??? It's sooooo good for you! Luweese

Keep up the good work........still looking into the surgery, MD appt. Nov. 20

[Guest guest]

The " key " word is SUGAR and to all of us in any amount means FAT and we all

know what that means!!!!!!! Sugar is sweet and tempting but evil at it's

core.

Who here wants to gain weight??? Raise your glasses (now let's count who has

water and who has milk)!

[Guest guest]

I rebuke SUGAR and send it to the pit!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Aloha Terry,

I hear ya.....I got " comfortable " and started with sugar in many forms and

gained 7lbs and it is a b1tch to work it off and it certainly isn't worth the

" cream in my coffee " LOLOL I had to say it!.

Now that I am 2.5 yrs post I have to be even more careful than my early days.

I regret slipping up and indulging in sugars in any form they came in.

Water here in my tall tropical coconut shell

Aloha,

Tanah

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/11/2002 6:44:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,

melau@... writes:

> on Pamela .i have always said that if you listen to everyone about

> this milk thing

> you wind up needing to shake your head clear , my way of thinking !!!!

> as my Dr. says if you can ,you can ,if you can not you can not , follow

> what your Dr. says ,they are better at this then we all

> think we are ! Ethel

>

>

How many surgeons can raise their hands and say that they had gastric bypass

several years ago, continue to drink milk, not enough protein supplements,

AND have maintained their weight loss within two pounds (7 YEARS HERE).

<--not a surgeon, but waving hands with NO milk moostache, and enough protein

to keep my muscles going... after getting slapped upside the head, of course!

KAREN B

[Guest guest]

<PRE>LOL......Sandy, you are too funny. I used to think the same way about soy

milk but now I love it, I drink the " Silk " brand. It probably does have more

sugar (with my luck), anyhoo, haven't had the surgery yet, so just getting

some info for what's ahead. Bless you! Louise

[Guest guest]

Fruit yes!! juice never

[Guest guest]

I had my surgery 8 weeks ago today. I do not drink milk of any kind and I

also have not eaten any fruit, I'm afraid of the sugar in both. I drink my 6

protein shakes a day with water -- always have and always will -- thank you

and B.

in Sacramento, CA

Lap RNY 9-16

Starting weight (3/02)... 380

Pre-op weight (9/6/02)... 316

Current weight (11/4/02)... 280

Total weight loss... -100

5'1 " -- Goal 130

" Beauty is soul deep. Learn that and you may realize

that you are far more attractive than you ever thought. "

by Steve Goodier

[Guest guest]

But how much of those 8 grams of protein do you think you're absorbing? And

compare that with the sugar - which you're absorbing every gram of (and

probably some extra grams for good measure - sugar is like that It just

amazes me what a nutritionist will tell people to do. If she's studied

nutrition and GB then she should know that we don't absorb protein from food

well, but that we do absorb sugar.

You'd be so much better off making your shakes with water and eating a bite

or two of chicken if you really want that small percentage of the 8 grams of

protein that you might absorb. Better yet, have an extra protein shake

(made with water), then you know that you're getting protein you can

actually use!

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http://www.5dollarhosting.com

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Re: Re: Oprah and milk

I do mix my protein shakes with 8 oz. of skim milk. It adds another 8

grams of protein to the shake and totals it out to 32 grams.

Who told me to mix it like this? My surgeons on staff nutritionist who has

been dealing with and studying the effects of nutrition on gastric bypass

patients for 10 years now. I trust her completely.

Pamela

" Complete healing depends upon our

ability to stop struggling. "

Re: Oprah and milk

i can drink 1 % and sometimes 2% becareful though the fats in the

milk can make ya dump... at least it does with me...

jean henry

> Good Morning Everyone,

>

> I seldom watch Oprah. SOOOOO what did I miss. Did she trash the

WLS? Somebody post what was said on the show.

>

> Also some of the data says no milk. My Dr. recommends milk with

the protein shakes.

> My surgery is tomorrow so can someone tell me why no milk? I know

the Dr. can be good surgeons but not up to the latest on nutrition or

it's reaction to their WLS patients.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Alice

> California

> pruntky@e...

> 310/276

> Lap RNY 11/11/02

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pam,

I trust my surgeon also and the patient advocates (nutritionists AND patients),

my surgeon having done the gastric bypass since the early 70's and sees what the

long-term results are and how to be successful.  He has told us even before

surgery to not have milk postop - milk is for babies.  I believed him, and

whenever I have been tempted to drink a sip, I suffer, my family suffers.  The

extra 8 grams of protein and 12 to 20 grams of SUGAR from milk are not worth the

pain and agony, nor the probable weight gain or slowing down of weight loss to

me.  

Who do I trust? My surgeon, long-term postops, and ME - seven years out next

month.  We learn from our mistakes, unfortunately, not always the easy way.

B

Distal RNY 12/27/95

275/155

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/11/2002 7:41:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,

freefallin@... writes:

> Again, do you people eat fruit at all? Or drink fruit juices?

>

> Just wondering, cause no one seems to mind about the sugar in those.

IF and it is a big HUGE " IF " I drink juice, it is ALWAYS watered down with

water by 50% or more. Doctor's rules and MY rules as I cannot tolerate nor

am I willing to partake of 45 grams of sugar in a 6 ounce glass of juice. As

far as fruit, there are few fruits that I tolerate without dumping, one being

pears. Apples make me puke, oranges dump, strawberries, a few are okay, etc.

Therefore, I DO mind the natural sugars. Sugar is sugar is sugar is sugar.

I wouldn't still be maintaining my weight after 7 years had I started with

the fruits, juices, milk, ice creams, etc.

B

[Guest guest]

Hi there......what about soy milk??? It's sooooo good for you!

I use soy milk on occasion - i.e., I had a decaf latte yesterday morning, with

soy milk. If I get a " hankering " for cereal, I use soy then. Makes me a little

" gassy " , but otherwise, it is good. I always read the labels - and get the soy

milk that has 4 g of sugar or less.

B

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hi there......what about soy milk??? It's sooooo good for

you! Luweese

And it's sooooooo awful! LOL, JMO, but I'd rather shave my tongue!

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Are you a nutrionist? Just wondering. As for the sugar in the skim milk, it's

not like they add pure sugar to the milk. From what I was told by my

nutrionist, (I mean, what proof is there that she is out and out wrong as you

are insinuating?) That 8 grams of protein pushes my 1 1/2 scoops of Designer

whey up to my needed 30 grams of protein per shake. I am not lactose

intolerant, have had no problems as of yet, and with what little I do put into

my body right now, the " sugar " in the skim milk really doesn't bother me.

I appreciate, as I always do any suggestions that are thrown my way.....But, my

surgeon and nutrionist (with many, many years of treating bypass patients

between them) are BOTH wrong on the issue of 8 small ounces of milk in a protein

shake? I welcome any proof that my body is 100% NOT using the skim milk at

all, and if provided with that information you can bet I will take it directly

to my nutrionist and my surgeon. I am actually seeing both of them this coming

Weds.

Thank you again.

Pamela

BTW, I do have 2 protein shakes a day....that's totals me to around the 60 grams

of protein mark. I am 5'10 " and my intake on protein should be around the 80

mark.....The rest of my protein I get from 'foods' that I eat.

" Complete healing depends upon our

ability to stop struggling. "

Re: Oprah and milk

i can drink 1 % and sometimes 2% becareful though the fats in the

milk can make ya dump... at least it does with me...

jean henry

> Good Morning Everyone,

>

> I seldom watch Oprah. SOOOOO what did I miss. Did she trash the

WLS? Somebody post what was said on the show.

>

> Also some of the data says no milk. My Dr. recommends milk with

the protein shakes.

> My surgery is tomorrow so can someone tell me why no milk? I know

the Dr. can be good surgeons but not up to the latest on nutrition or

it's reaction to their WLS patients.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Alice

> California

> pruntky@e...

> 310/276

> Lap RNY 11/11/02

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Right on Pamela .i have always said that if you listen to everyone about

this milk thing

you wind up needing to shake your head clear , my way of thinking !!!!

as my Dr. says if you can ,you can ,if you can not you can not , follow

what your Dr. says ,they are better at this then we all

think we are ! Ethel

Pamela Wood-Burkart wrote:

> Are you a nutrionist? Just wondering. As for the sugar in the skim

> milk, it's not like they add pure sugar to the milk. From what I was

> told by my nutrionist, (I mean, what proof is there that she is out

> and out wrong as you are insinuating?) That 8 grams of protein pushes

> my 1 1/2 scoops of Designer whey up to my needed 30 grams of protein

> per shake. I am not lactose intolerant, have had no problems as of

> yet, and with what little I do put into my body right now, the " sugar "

> in the skim milk really doesn't bother me.

>

> I appreciate, as I always do any suggestions that are thrown my

> way.....But, my surgeon and nutrionist (with many, many years of

> treating bypass patients between them) are BOTH wrong on the issue of

> 8 small ounces of milk in a protein shake? I welcome any proof that

> my body is 100% NOT using the skim milk at all, and if provided with

> that information you can bet I will take it directly to my nutrionist

> and my surgeon. I am actually seeing both of them this coming Weds.

>

> Thank you again.

>

> Pamela

> BTW, I do have 2 protein shakes a day....that's totals me to around

> the 60 grams of protein mark. I am 5'10 " and my intake on protein

> should be around the 80 mark.....The rest of my protein I get from

> 'foods' that I eat.

>

> " Complete healing depends upon our

> ability to stop struggling. "

> Re: Oprah and milk

>

>

> i can drink 1 % and sometimes 2% becareful though the fats in the

> milk can make ya dump... at least it does with me...

>

> jean henry

>

>

> > Good Morning Everyone,

> >

> > I seldom watch Oprah. SOOOOO what did I miss. Did she trash the

> WLS? Somebody post what was said on the show.

> >

> > Also some of the data says no milk. My Dr. recommends milk with

> the protein shakes.

> > My surgery is tomorrow so can someone tell me why no milk? I know

> the Dr. can be good surgeons but not up to the latest on

> nutrition or

> it's reaction to their WLS patients.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Alice

> > California

> > pruntky@e...

> > 310/276

> > Lap RNY 11/11/02

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Nope, not a nutritionist. Web designer and and owner of a web hosting

company actually, which clearly qualifies me to give nutritional advice.

Ok, that was a joke. I'm just someone who has listened to the right people

and done a lot of research on my own. There's no insinuation that your

nutritionist is wrong. I said that I disagree, and I do. you're right,

they don't add sugar to milk. There's no need to! There's 13 grams of

sugar in 8 ounces of milk (1%, that's what's in my fridge). Whether it's

added sugar, or sugar that occurs naturally in the milk, it's still sugar,

and every single gram of it is absorbed.

If you want to make your shake = 30 grams of protein (which is a good thing

to do - maximize what you can absorb with each shake), why not add an extra

1/2 scoop of powder and make it with water? There's less than 1/2 g of

sugar in that 1/2 scoop and you know that you can absorb the protein.

Adding 8 oz of milk is adding 13 grams of sugar and you can absorb very

little of the protein.

I wouldn't say that your body is NOT using the skim milk. Your body is

getting a nice big dose of sugar that it's using completely, and a smidgen

of protein possibly. Not a worthy trade off IMHO. If you're still in the

honeymoon phase of your weight loss, you probably won't notice what the

sugar is doing to your weight loss because you're going to lose anyway.

It's when you're past that stage and your weight loss has stalled, or worse,

started to reverse, that you'll see what the harm of the sugar is.

-----------------------------------------------

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http://www.5dollarhosting.com

(877)-838-HOST /

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Re: Re: Oprah and milk

Are you a nutrionist? Just wondering. As for the sugar in the skim milk,

it's not like they add pure sugar to the milk. From what I was told by my

nutrionist, (I mean, what proof is there that she is out and out wrong as

you are insinuating?) That 8 grams of protein pushes my 1 1/2 scoops of

Designer whey up to my needed 30 grams of protein per shake. I am not

lactose intolerant, have had no problems as of yet, and with what little I

do put into my body right now, the " sugar " in the skim milk really doesn't

bother me.

I appreciate, as I always do any suggestions that are thrown my

way.....But, my surgeon and nutrionist (with many, many years of treating

bypass patients between them) are BOTH wrong on the issue of 8 small ounces

of milk in a protein shake? I welcome any proof that my body is 100% NOT

using the skim milk at all, and if provided with that information you can

bet I will take it directly to my nutrionist and my surgeon. I am actually

seeing both of them this coming Weds.

Thank you again.

Pamela

BTW, I do have 2 protein shakes a day....that's totals me to around the 60

grams of protein mark. I am 5'10 " and my intake on protein should be around

the 80 mark.....The rest of my protein I get from 'foods' that I eat.

" Complete healing depends upon our

ability to stop struggling. "

Re: Oprah and milk

i can drink 1 % and sometimes 2% becareful though the fats in the

milk can make ya dump... at least it does with me...

jean henry

> Good Morning Everyone,

>

> I seldom watch Oprah. SOOOOO what did I miss. Did she trash the

WLS? Somebody post what was said on the show.

>

> Also some of the data says no milk. My Dr. recommends milk with

the protein shakes.

> My surgery is tomorrow so can someone tell me why no milk? I know

the Dr. can be good surgeons but not up to the latest on nutrition

or

it's reaction to their WLS patients.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Alice

> California

> pruntky@e...

> 310/276

> Lap RNY 11/11/02

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

PLENTY of people handle 'natural' sugars....ie: fruit, skim milk.

Again, with the small amount of food I actually put in my mouth there is no

problem here.

I am 27 days out and have followed my instructions post-op to a " T " , I have lost

(not gained from having skim milk in my protein shakes) 35 lbs.

I wouldn't take anything above skim milk....Come on now...is it really 2 little

glasses of skim milk that will push you over the edge and make you gain weight?

I just don't think so.

Pamela

" Complete healing depends upon our

ability to stop struggling. "

Re: Re: Oprah and milk

The " key " word is SUGAR and to all of us in any amount means FAT and we all

know what that means!!!!!!! Sugar is sweet and tempting but evil at it's

core.

Who here wants to gain weight??? Raise your glasses (now let's count who has

water and who has milk)!

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[Guest guest]

Right on Tanah (and hi! It's great to hear from my tropical sister out

there again!). Of course, you said it in a few words, and I took a few

paragraphs. lol.

Count me in on the water side! I don't need any help from sugar adding

stuff to my hips. Genetics does that for me!

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http://www.5dollarhosting.com

(877)-838-HOST /

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Re: Re: Oprah and milk

The " key " word is SUGAR and to all of us in any amount means FAT and we

all

know what that means!!!!!!! Sugar is sweet and tempting but evil at it's

core.

Who here wants to gain weight??? Raise your glasses (now let's count who

has

water and who has milk)!

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