Re: uuh...uhhh, i was just thinking

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Hi

I had my surgery on Dec 13 and have lost 47 pounds. I had the roux n y

surgery which is a little different but you can only eat about 2 oz. Most of

the time I eat about 2-3 tblsp per meal> I take Flintstoe chewable complete

vitamins 2/day. It has reduced my blood sugar and I am feeling much better

and more energetic than before. You learn real fast not to over eat because

it will come back up or you will be extremely uncomfortable. Dee inMissouri

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le,

I am so sorry with the loss of your son. Words

cannot express my sympathy towards you and your

family. I am 'running' with you to Doctor Rutledge's

because I want to be around for my child's (who just

turned 11) present and future. I'm hoping to get

approval from BCBS soon so I can aim for the MGB in

March.

Love and prayers,

--- CUTEAKA2NV@... wrote:

> From: CUTEAKA2NV@...

>

> NV,

>

> I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said.

> But, my only regret is that

> I didn't find Dr R and this list earlier. I started

> thinking about WLS in

> 1997 and no one supported my decision. They all

> said I was not big enough. I

> hide weight well, as I am pear shaped and my fat is

> very dense. It doesn't

> jiggle. So, everyone thought I was being too

> extreme. So, I tried some other

> diets to no avail. But, what really helped me to

> decide that I needed to take

> more drastic measures was the death of my son four

> months ago. We (obese

> people) are more prone to pregnancy complications

> and I was one of them. I

> had unexplained early bleeding (threatened

> miscarriage/abortion),

> pre-eclampsia, gestational diabetes, preterm labor,

> premature rupture of

> membranes, and eventually chorioamnionitis. I could

> have died from

> septicemia. I was sick from the onset, and was very

> uncomfortable. Now, I am

> at higher risk of complications for subsequent

> pregnancies. So, I have to be

> a healthy and fit as possible to give any child I

> may have a fighting chance.

> Lucky for me I have no problem conceiving. Many

> obese people are infertile.

> So, the loss of my son was the icing on the cake.

>

> So, I am running, not walking to Dr R. I don't

> anticipate a problem with

> approval, but I am armed in case of an insurance

> battle. I think I have short

> changed myself and those around me. I am very

> outgoing, but have become

> reclusive in social situations. I have also

> succeeded in all other aspects of

> my life. I have several advanced degrees, I am a CPA

> (non) practicing, and I

> was a pharmaceutical rep for nine years. I have a

> great marriage to a

> WONDERFUL man, and a family who supports me. My

> issues with weight have been

> the only thorn in my flesh for as long as I can

> remember. So, I said all that

> to say, I am going to free myself from the bondage

> of obesity. I am in

> control now. All I need is a fresh start at a

> pattern of healthy eating and

> living. This time I KNOW I will succeed in this

> effort and so will all of you.

>

> le

>

> ---------------------------

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Me too! So aptly put!

--- Pat Eppler wrote:

>

>

> I couldn't agree more!! I could have written

> this!!!!

>

> Pat in Tyler

> Re: uuh...uhhh, i was

> just thinking

>

>

> >From: NValmassoi@...

> >

> >le,

> >I totally agree. I think being morbid obese is a

> many headed disease. I

> have

> >always referred to it as a hydra. You treat one

> part and another head

> grows!

> >Part genetic, part chemical, part environment, part

> psychological, part

> >habit, part behavioral, even part SOCIAL. That, to

> me is what makes it so

> >very hard to treat.

> >

> >It scares me too, when I hear people say that they

> don't overeat, because I

> >certainly DO, too. The question is what MAKES us

> overeat. But, I know,

> that

> >despite all the many types of treatment I have

> tried none have had any long

> >term effect. That is where I think the genetic

> link becomes so strong. I

> >also think there are other people with the same

> other " issues " I might have

> >who aren't fat. The truth is, I am a fairly normal

> successful person who

> has

> >a good marriage, great kids, a great career and

> just totally unable to

> >control my weight. One of my biggest fears as a

> pre-op is that this won't

> >work too, that I will " overeat " and defeat surgery,

> even. I KNOW it takes

> >significant life changes. Dr. R says that the

> sugary, fatty foods don't

> have

> >the same effect when they by pass the small

> intestine. I also think that

> the

> >result of eating incorrectly is so intense, that it

> must be a crash course

> in

> >behavior modification.

> >

> >It will be interesting to hear what the po-ops have

> to share on this topic.

> >

> >NV

> >

> >---------------------------

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le,

You know, I might agree with you if I had not been an athlete in school and

kept a majority of my weight off when I quit the team. I guess too it is

difficult when you have a sister the size of a pipe cleaner!LOL No, I am

glad that I tried all these years, if I had not I am not sure I would've

taken this route now! I think if I had my family constantly after me to eat

less, or if I did not know for a fact that many of us have a warped sense of

servings and what is good and what is not. For five years I have been on a

mostly meat and veggies diet. I eat HUGE salads and if I want seconds I go

for .....................BROCOLLI!!!!!!NUMMERS! So I guess what I am saying

is that part of it IS me for falling for the number of stupid diets out

there that totally messed up my metabolism, but in the long run, when I

watch my sister a 1/2 ib of chocolate and remain a pipe stem, I am MORE apt

to think perhaps the genes are misbehaving ! Just my .02 PAige

>From: CUTEAKA2NV@...

>Reply-To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>Subject: uuh...uhhh, i was just thinking

>Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 05:10:02 EST

>

>All right mates,

>

>No body throw stones at me....ok? But I am just as " chubby " as the rest of

>us. But, I do feel like I am at least partly responsible for my weight. At

>one, my eating was out of control. But I worked on those issues, but the

>residual effect (too much weight) remains. Can anyone see my point? If not,

>please don't stone me. LOL

>

>le

>5'4...272

>BMI 46

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le,

You know, I might agree with you if I had not been an athlete in school and

kept a majority of my weight off when I quit the team. I guess too it is

difficult when you have a sister the size of a pipe cleaner!LOL No, I am

glad that I tried all these years, if I had not I am not sure I would've

taken this route now! I think if I had my family constantly after me to eat

less, or if I did not know for a fact that many of us have a warped sense of

servings and what is good and what is not. For five years I have been on a

mostly meat and veggies diet. I eat HUGE salads and if I want seconds I go

for .....................BROCOLLI!!!!!!NUMMERS! So I guess what I am saying

is that part of it IS me for falling for the number of stupid diets out

there that totally messed up my metabolism, but in the long run, when I

watch my sister a 1/2 ib of chocolate and remain a pipe stem, I am MORE apt

to think perhaps the genes are misbehaving ! Just my .02 PAige

>From: CUTEAKA2NV@...

>Reply-To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>Subject: uuh...uhhh, i was just thinking

>Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 05:10:02 EST

>

>All right mates,

>

>No body throw stones at me....ok? But I am just as " chubby " as the rest of

>us. But, I do feel like I am at least partly responsible for my weight. At

>one, my eating was out of control. But I worked on those issues, but the

>residual effect (too much weight) remains. Can anyone see my point? If not,

>please don't stone me. LOL

>

>le

>5'4...272

>BMI 46

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le,

You know, I might agree with you if I had not been an athlete in school and

kept a majority of my weight off when I quit the team. I guess too it is

difficult when you have a sister the size of a pipe cleaner!LOL No, I am

glad that I tried all these years, if I had not I am not sure I would've

taken this route now! I think if I had my family constantly after me to eat

less, or if I did not know for a fact that many of us have a warped sense of

servings and what is good and what is not. For five years I have been on a

mostly meat and veggies diet. I eat HUGE salads and if I want seconds I go

for .....................BROCOLLI!!!!!!NUMMERS! So I guess what I am saying

is that part of it IS me for falling for the number of stupid diets out

there that totally messed up my metabolism, but in the long run, when I

watch my sister a 1/2 ib of chocolate and remain a pipe stem, I am MORE apt

to think perhaps the genes are misbehaving ! Just my .02 PAige

>From: CUTEAKA2NV@...

>Reply-To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>Subject: uuh...uhhh, i was just thinking

>Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 05:10:02 EST

>

>All right mates,

>

>No body throw stones at me....ok? But I am just as " chubby " as the rest of

>us. But, I do feel like I am at least partly responsible for my weight. At

>one, my eating was out of control. But I worked on those issues, but the

>residual effect (too much weight) remains. Can anyone see my point? If not,

>please don't stone me. LOL

>

>le

>5'4...272

>BMI 46

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JJ,

I am with you on this issue. I am 34 (next week whohoo!) and I KNOW what is

good for the bod. I feel crappy if I workd the pyramid and my blood sugar

wobbles around! If I stick with the veggies and meat I feel so much better!

If go with too many carbs especially wheat products, my lungs get congested

and I feel sluggish. Figured this out on the " low fat, eat pasta it is good

for you diet " I thought I was gonna sleep the rest of my life!!! And the

brain felt as if it were floating around in half jelled jello. Before this,

the only " diet " I had tried was the infamous cabbage soup diet! Otherwise I

could almost always increase my activity and my weight would simply fall

off. Well with the whole pasta and no fat thing, I think I fell victim to

the dreaded insulin rresistance which i was only diagnosed with last fall.

This involves the PCOS and yes, the hormones will keep you from losing

weight! Somehow the elevated testoterone levels cause women to keep weight

and gain easily. I have not quite figured that out yet:) But other than

eating large amounts(my sister) of sweets my sis and I kind of eat the same

stuff. Protein shakes with fruit or oatmeal(with protein powder) in the

morn, and pretty regular eating the rest of the day. My frustration came to

a peak a year ago when I was working out 3-4 days a week 1 1/2 hours a day

and 3 times a week for a 1/2 hour with a trainer to relearn correct lifting

after my back surgery.I kept a food diary and just to be, I needed 1800 at

my weight. With the workouts I was doing I sould have been eating about 2200

calories. Did I firm up?! YES MAM! Did I lose weight ??!! NOPE! not a pound!

6 months! yes I know muscle weighs more but still it also burns fat more

effeciently! ACK! My cousin who is a Dr suggested that I try surgery, she

felt it was genetic. So here I is! Paige

>From: DreamofRunning@...

>Reply-To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>Subject: Re: uuh...uhhh, i was just thinking

>Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:26:24 EST

>

>Okay my two cents:

>

>I really started my adult quest for weight loss 10 years ago. Before that

>I would quit eating or while in school did not have the time, so I was a

>compact obese person probably living on 600 calories aday -- no joke. In

>1993 I went on a strict diet, no way possible was I taking in more than

>1000 calories for 20 days -- Doctor regulated, nutritionally balanced.

>Didn't lose a pound.

>

>Went Vegetarian, gained weight

>Went " balanced " gained weight.

>Worked out, lost 20 out of 150 of the overage.

>Went " eat whatever " gained 1 lb a month average.

>Had amazing therapy for years -- feel great about myself.

>Went no fat, lost a lot of hair.

>

>But still getting bigger.

>

>Five years ago, I first thought of having WLS when a girlfriend had what I

>think was a VGB. I thought that I would eat around it so it wasn't for me.

>

>I have quized my thin friends and my anoxeric friends so I know HOW thinner

>people eat. I have followed their habits.

>

>I have now recoginized for me that I must increase my protein intake and

>decrease my carbs -- the pryamid does not work. With 6 servings of bread a

>day I gain weight.

>

>I was infertile with PCO, Does anyone know what effect the hormones have on

>weight? I have not found anyone who knows yet.

>

>However, I had a baby which entails strict control and vitamins, etc.

>during pregnancy and nursing. I didn't drink, no caffine, lots of

>vitamins, nothing spicy when nursing, didn't even stand anywhere near a

>cigarette or cigar.

>So I know I can restrict with the best of them. EVEN with the strict

>controls I place on myself I gained 44 pounds of baby weight and lost it

>with nursing -- the Doctors were convinced I was eating more than I said.

>Delivered a big healthy baby boy.

>

>So yeah maybe I had my share of cookie dough to deal with stress, parallel

>to a drinker who has drinks -- But to put on the pounds that don't come

>off?

>

>I see the WLS patients who don't " get right with food. " They lose some

>weight but I see them as very healhty.

>

>So for me, WLS is a tool and I am still learning about the effects of

>protein, carbs, fat, hormones, and heredity. But my quote is " I am tired

>of pretending that this is okay. " For the past ten years (minus pregnancy

>time) I have searched for answers. I even have my own theories about sugar

>synthesis I am working on, in my spare time.

>

>The " push away from the table " mentality is a great way to beat one's self

>to death. BUT MAYBE this is a physicologial manifestation and WLS surgery

>is the best tool for correction. I know for sure, I am a survivor and my

>body is built for me to survive a long time without food -- So why in the

>land of plenty is my body SO GOOD at storing food?

>

>I don't have the answers, but I think finding out what works and then doing

>it is the key to success.

>WLS reads, sounds, tastes, feels like it is working for the overwhelming

>majority of the 300+ patients who have had this, MGB, surgery (not to

>mention the thousands who have had RNYs.)

>

>For what its worth -- I am extremely sucessful in all other aspects of my

>life, under acheivement is not an option. However, the weight issue is

>extemely flustrating to not to be able to fix, understand, or work around.

>

>That's just my opinion today, tomorrow it will change.

>JJ.

>

>

>

>

>

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JJ,

I am with you on this issue. I am 34 (next week whohoo!) and I KNOW what is

good for the bod. I feel crappy if I workd the pyramid and my blood sugar

wobbles around! If I stick with the veggies and meat I feel so much better!

If go with too many carbs especially wheat products, my lungs get congested

and I feel sluggish. Figured this out on the " low fat, eat pasta it is good

for you diet " I thought I was gonna sleep the rest of my life!!! And the

brain felt as if it were floating around in half jelled jello. Before this,

the only " diet " I had tried was the infamous cabbage soup diet! Otherwise I

could almost always increase my activity and my weight would simply fall

off. Well with the whole pasta and no fat thing, I think I fell victim to

the dreaded insulin rresistance which i was only diagnosed with last fall.

This involves the PCOS and yes, the hormones will keep you from losing

weight! Somehow the elevated testoterone levels cause women to keep weight

and gain easily. I have not quite figured that out yet:) But other than

eating large amounts(my sister) of sweets my sis and I kind of eat the same

stuff. Protein shakes with fruit or oatmeal(with protein powder) in the

morn, and pretty regular eating the rest of the day. My frustration came to

a peak a year ago when I was working out 3-4 days a week 1 1/2 hours a day

and 3 times a week for a 1/2 hour with a trainer to relearn correct lifting

after my back surgery.I kept a food diary and just to be, I needed 1800 at

my weight. With the workouts I was doing I sould have been eating about 2200

calories. Did I firm up?! YES MAM! Did I lose weight ??!! NOPE! not a pound!

6 months! yes I know muscle weighs more but still it also burns fat more

effeciently! ACK! My cousin who is a Dr suggested that I try surgery, she

felt it was genetic. So here I is! Paige

>From: DreamofRunning@...

>Reply-To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>Subject: Re: uuh...uhhh, i was just thinking

>Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:26:24 EST

>

>Okay my two cents:

>

>I really started my adult quest for weight loss 10 years ago. Before that

>I would quit eating or while in school did not have the time, so I was a

>compact obese person probably living on 600 calories aday -- no joke. In

>1993 I went on a strict diet, no way possible was I taking in more than

>1000 calories for 20 days -- Doctor regulated, nutritionally balanced.

>Didn't lose a pound.

>

>Went Vegetarian, gained weight

>Went " balanced " gained weight.

>Worked out, lost 20 out of 150 of the overage.

>Went " eat whatever " gained 1 lb a month average.

>Had amazing therapy for years -- feel great about myself.

>Went no fat, lost a lot of hair.

>

>But still getting bigger.

>

>Five years ago, I first thought of having WLS when a girlfriend had what I

>think was a VGB. I thought that I would eat around it so it wasn't for me.

>

>I have quized my thin friends and my anoxeric friends so I know HOW thinner

>people eat. I have followed their habits.

>

>I have now recoginized for me that I must increase my protein intake and

>decrease my carbs -- the pryamid does not work. With 6 servings of bread a

>day I gain weight.

>

>I was infertile with PCO, Does anyone know what effect the hormones have on

>weight? I have not found anyone who knows yet.

>

>However, I had a baby which entails strict control and vitamins, etc.

>during pregnancy and nursing. I didn't drink, no caffine, lots of

>vitamins, nothing spicy when nursing, didn't even stand anywhere near a

>cigarette or cigar.

>So I know I can restrict with the best of them. EVEN with the strict

>controls I place on myself I gained 44 pounds of baby weight and lost it

>with nursing -- the Doctors were convinced I was eating more than I said.

>Delivered a big healthy baby boy.

>

>So yeah maybe I had my share of cookie dough to deal with stress, parallel

>to a drinker who has drinks -- But to put on the pounds that don't come

>off?

>

>I see the WLS patients who don't " get right with food. " They lose some

>weight but I see them as very healhty.

>

>So for me, WLS is a tool and I am still learning about the effects of

>protein, carbs, fat, hormones, and heredity. But my quote is " I am tired

>of pretending that this is okay. " For the past ten years (minus pregnancy

>time) I have searched for answers. I even have my own theories about sugar

>synthesis I am working on, in my spare time.

>

>The " push away from the table " mentality is a great way to beat one's self

>to death. BUT MAYBE this is a physicologial manifestation and WLS surgery

>is the best tool for correction. I know for sure, I am a survivor and my

>body is built for me to survive a long time without food -- So why in the

>land of plenty is my body SO GOOD at storing food?

>

>I don't have the answers, but I think finding out what works and then doing

>it is the key to success.

>WLS reads, sounds, tastes, feels like it is working for the overwhelming

>majority of the 300+ patients who have had this, MGB, surgery (not to

>mention the thousands who have had RNYs.)

>

>For what its worth -- I am extremely sucessful in all other aspects of my

>life, under acheivement is not an option. However, the weight issue is

>extemely flustrating to not to be able to fix, understand, or work around.

>

>That's just my opinion today, tomorrow it will change.

>JJ.

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 02/04/2000 11:48:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Yarnmama@... writes:

<< God never sends us where He hasn't already gone ahead to prepare our

way. Dee in MI. >>

Dee,

I too have been very antsy and impatient, but when you put things back into

perspective like that it sure helps!

Sharon In KY

[Guest guest]

Paige,

It is so nice to hear feedback!

I have really gotten back into protein supplements since I weaned the baby.

I cannot believe how much better I am feeling! Funny, I stopped the protein

supplements due to all of the press against protein years ago -- now its back

in style again. Thankfully, now there are so many more protein choices than

when I was an athlete as a kid.

I can relate to the work out syndrome, since September, I increased work outs

(but current have a sprained knee from playing horsey) so I am strong as an

ox -- Have not lost a pound ... of couse there are those last meals which I

think I have finally had the last one....

JJ.

5'3 " BMI 53

Tricare

Virginia

In a message dated 2/4/00 4:26:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ragtime74@... writes:

<< My frustration came to

a peak a year ago when I was working out 3-4 days a week 1 1/2 hours a day

and 3 times a week for a 1/2 hour with a trainer to relearn correct lifting

after my back surgery.I kept a food diary and just to be, I needed 1800 at

my weight. With the workouts I was doing I sould have been eating about 2200

calories. Did I firm up?! YES MAM! Did I lose weight ??!! NOPE! not a pound!

6 months! yes I know muscle weighs more but >>

[Guest guest]

Dee, thanks for the post to . I benefited from it as well. Thanks

so much for the words of encouragment and support! as I am getting

somewhat anxious and antsy!

in NC

Pre-op 02-07-2000

[Guest guest]

JJ,

I am finding all kinds of " fun " stuff! Like in Europe they use liquid or

spray in mouth vitamins??!!??!! The web site www.vita4life has a liquid

protein with no sugar and 30 MG of protein!! I just ordered the tablets you

add to water and they add flavor(essence) but no sugar! I'll let you know on

those! I am an OX too! The one thing I need to do is get my aerobic taken

care of this month. I want 1 1/2

monthes to get in tip top shape!My problem now is that I carry around so

much water weight it is uncomfortable to walk a lot in the cold

I will figure it out! LOL Good Luck! Paige

>From: DreamofRunning@...

>Reply-To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>Subject: Re: uuh...uhhh, i was just thinking

>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:01:25 EST

>

>Paige,

>It is so nice to hear feedback!

>I have really gotten back into protein supplements since I weaned the baby.

>I cannot believe how much better I am feeling! Funny, I stopped the

>protein

>supplements due to all of the press against protein years ago -- now its

>back

>in style again. Thankfully, now there are so many more protein choices

>than

>when I was an athlete as a kid.

>

>I can relate to the work out syndrome, since September, I increased work

>outs

>(but current have a sprained knee from playing horsey) so I am strong as an

>ox -- Have not lost a pound ... of couse there are those last meals which I

>think I have finally had the last one....

>

>JJ.

>5'3 " BMI 53

>Tricare

>Virginia

>

>In a message dated 2/4/00 4:26:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>ragtime74@... writes:

>

><< My frustration came to

> a peak a year ago when I was working out 3-4 days a week 1 1/2 hours a

>day

> and 3 times a week for a 1/2 hour with a trainer to relearn correct

>lifting

> after my back surgery.I kept a food diary and just to be, I needed 1800

>at

> my weight. With the workouts I was doing I sould have been eating about

>2200

> calories. Did I firm up?! YES MAM! Did I lose weight ??!! NOPE! not a

>pound!

> 6 months! yes I know muscle weighs more but >>

>

>

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JJ,

I am finding all kinds of " fun " stuff! Like in Europe they use liquid or

spray in mouth vitamins??!!??!! The web site www.vita4life has a liquid

protein with no sugar and 30 MG of protein!! I just ordered the tablets you

add to water and they add flavor(essence) but no sugar! I'll let you know on

those! I am an OX too! The one thing I need to do is get my aerobic taken

care of this month. I want 1 1/2

monthes to get in tip top shape!My problem now is that I carry around so

much water weight it is uncomfortable to walk a lot in the cold

I will figure it out! LOL Good Luck! Paige

>From: DreamofRunning@...

>Reply-To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>Subject: Re: uuh...uhhh, i was just thinking

>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:01:25 EST

>

>Paige,

>It is so nice to hear feedback!

>I have really gotten back into protein supplements since I weaned the baby.

>I cannot believe how much better I am feeling! Funny, I stopped the

>protein

>supplements due to all of the press against protein years ago -- now its

>back

>in style again. Thankfully, now there are so many more protein choices

>than

>when I was an athlete as a kid.

>

>I can relate to the work out syndrome, since September, I increased work

>outs

>(but current have a sprained knee from playing horsey) so I am strong as an

>ox -- Have not lost a pound ... of couse there are those last meals which I

>think I have finally had the last one....

>

>JJ.

>5'3 " BMI 53

>Tricare

>Virginia

>

>In a message dated 2/4/00 4:26:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>ragtime74@... writes:

>

><< My frustration came to

> a peak a year ago when I was working out 3-4 days a week 1 1/2 hours a

>day

> and 3 times a week for a 1/2 hour with a trainer to relearn correct

>lifting

> after my back surgery.I kept a food diary and just to be, I needed 1800

>at

> my weight. With the workouts I was doing I sould have been eating about

>2200

> calories. Did I firm up?! YES MAM! Did I lose weight ??!! NOPE! not a

>pound!

> 6 months! yes I know muscle weighs more but >>

>

>

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JJ,

I am finding all kinds of " fun " stuff! Like in Europe they use liquid or

spray in mouth vitamins??!!??!! The web site www.vita4life has a liquid

protein with no sugar and 30 MG of protein!! I just ordered the tablets you

add to water and they add flavor(essence) but no sugar! I'll let you know on

those! I am an OX too! The one thing I need to do is get my aerobic taken

care of this month. I want 1 1/2

monthes to get in tip top shape!My problem now is that I carry around so

much water weight it is uncomfortable to walk a lot in the cold

I will figure it out! LOL Good Luck! Paige

>From: DreamofRunning@...

>Reply-To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>Subject: Re: uuh...uhhh, i was just thinking

>Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:01:25 EST

>

>Paige,

>It is so nice to hear feedback!

>I have really gotten back into protein supplements since I weaned the baby.

>I cannot believe how much better I am feeling! Funny, I stopped the

>protein

>supplements due to all of the press against protein years ago -- now its

>back

>in style again. Thankfully, now there are so many more protein choices

>than

>when I was an athlete as a kid.

>

>I can relate to the work out syndrome, since September, I increased work

>outs

>(but current have a sprained knee from playing horsey) so I am strong as an

>ox -- Have not lost a pound ... of couse there are those last meals which I

>think I have finally had the last one....

>

>JJ.

>5'3 " BMI 53

>Tricare

>Virginia

>

>In a message dated 2/4/00 4:26:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>ragtime74@... writes:

>

><< My frustration came to

> a peak a year ago when I was working out 3-4 days a week 1 1/2 hours a

>day

> and 3 times a week for a 1/2 hour with a trainer to relearn correct

>lifting

> after my back surgery.I kept a food diary and just to be, I needed 1800

>at

> my weight. With the workouts I was doing I sould have been eating about

>2200

> calories. Did I firm up?! YES MAM! Did I lose weight ??!! NOPE! not a

>pound!

> 6 months! yes I know muscle weighs more but >>

>

>

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<< The web site www.vita4life has a liquid

protein with no sugar and 30 MG of protein!! >>

PAige and JJ: I've used this, it tastes just fine...very thick when made in

the blender as directed. No aftertaste. Their protein shakes/drinks also

can be blended in the morning and taken to work in a cooler; they do not " go

bad " upon standing. I mix up a " batch " in the mornings now and sip on it

throughout the day. I've ordered the entrees which require NO refrigeration

or freezing while you store them prior to heating in the microwave. I'll use

them for some of my work lunches. I'll report back on those. I got the nine

entree introductory package. (www.vita4life.net) They also have a protein

powder without lactose and it can be used as a pudding; chocolate or vanilla

are the flavors. It isn't as rich-tasting as the Jello brand. (So I add a

drop of whatever flavoring I hanker for to it...mint, cherry, raspberry...you

know!) In March, they'll have a two-ounce packet of concentrated liquid

protein which can be easily spoon stirred with water or juice. I think that

it's honey-flavored so that it can be added to just about any liquid...even

another protein shake drink for additional protein. That interests me

greatly; where I work, it isn't possible to carry ice cubes and mixing cups

or hand blenders for protein shakes. Not employed by vita4life...just a

satisfied customer. Dee in MI.

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Dee,

Great! keep me posted. One of things I am running in to, is how to get my

protein in between work, school, and baby. I have been using the Met RX

super protein for an " on the go " protein but it will sure be nice to have

some more alternatives.

Thanks,

JJ

" That's just my opinion today, tomorrow it will change "

5'3 " BMI 53

Tricare

Virginia

In a message dated 2/5/00 12:21:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Yarnmama@...

writes:

<< they do not " go

bad " upon standing. I mix up a " batch " in the mornings now and sip on it

throughout the day. I've ordered the entrees which require NO refrigeration

or freezing while you store them prior to heating in the microwave. I'll

use

them for some of my work lunches. I'll report back on those. >>

[Guest guest]

Dee,

Great! keep me posted. One of things I am running in to, is how to get my

protein in between work, school, and baby. I have been using the Met RX

super protein for an " on the go " protein but it will sure be nice to have

some more alternatives.

Thanks,

JJ

" That's just my opinion today, tomorrow it will change "

5'3 " BMI 53

Tricare

Virginia

In a message dated 2/5/00 12:21:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Yarnmama@...

writes:

<< they do not " go

bad " upon standing. I mix up a " batch " in the mornings now and sip on it

throughout the day. I've ordered the entrees which require NO refrigeration

or freezing while you store them prior to heating in the microwave. I'll

use

them for some of my work lunches. I'll report back on those. >>

[Guest guest]

I put in www.vita4life and didn't get anything?

[Guest guest]

I put in www.vita4life and didn't get anything?

[Guest guest]

,

I believe the address is www.vita4life.net

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,

I believe the address is www.vita4life.net

[Guest guest]

Funny both the dot com and dot net work....

www.vita4life.net

www.vita4life.com

In a message dated 2/6/00 11:35:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, WMILLIRAN@...

writes:

<< ,

I believe the address is www.vita4life.net

>>

JJ

" That's just my opinion today, tomorrow it will change "

5'3 " BMI 53

Tricare

Virginia

[Guest guest]

<< Funny both the dot com and dot net work. >>

dot.com will work for a short while. Vita4Life is switching the site over

to only dot.NET in a few weeks. All the new stuff will be on dot.NET after

that. Might as well change the bookmark now Dee in MI.

[Guest guest]

<< Funny both the dot com and dot net work. >>

dot.com will work for a short while. Vita4Life is switching the site over

to only dot.NET in a few weeks. All the new stuff will be on dot.NET after

that. Might as well change the bookmark now Dee in MI.

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thank you , I'll try that!