Re: uuh...uhhh, i was just thinking

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le,

I totally agree. I think being morbid obese is a many headed disease. I have

always referred to it as a hydra. You treat one part and another head grows!

Part genetic, part chemical, part environment, part psychological, part

habit, part behavioral, even part SOCIAL. That, to me is what makes it so

very hard to treat.

It scares me too, when I hear people say that they don't overeat, because I

certainly DO, too. The question is what MAKES us overeat. But, I know, that

despite all the many types of treatment I have tried none have had any long

term effect. That is where I think the genetic link becomes so strong. I

also think there are other people with the same other " issues " I might have

who aren't fat. The truth is, I am a fairly normal successful person who has

a good marriage, great kids, a great career and just totally unable to

control my weight. One of my biggest fears as a pre-op is that this won't

work too, that I will " overeat " and defeat surgery, even. I KNOW it takes

significant life changes. Dr. R says that the sugary, fatty foods don't have

the same effect when they by pass the small intestine. I also think that the

result of eating incorrectly is so intense, that it must be a crash course in

behavior modification.

It will be interesting to hear what the po-ops have to share on this topic.

NV

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le,

I totally agree. I think being morbid obese is a many headed disease. I have

always referred to it as a hydra. You treat one part and another head grows!

Part genetic, part chemical, part environment, part psychological, part

habit, part behavioral, even part SOCIAL. That, to me is what makes it so

very hard to treat.

It scares me too, when I hear people say that they don't overeat, because I

certainly DO, too. The question is what MAKES us overeat. But, I know, that

despite all the many types of treatment I have tried none have had any long

term effect. That is where I think the genetic link becomes so strong. I

also think there are other people with the same other " issues " I might have

who aren't fat. The truth is, I am a fairly normal successful person who has

a good marriage, great kids, a great career and just totally unable to

control my weight. One of my biggest fears as a pre-op is that this won't

work too, that I will " overeat " and defeat surgery, even. I KNOW it takes

significant life changes. Dr. R says that the sugary, fatty foods don't have

the same effect when they by pass the small intestine. I also think that the

result of eating incorrectly is so intense, that it must be a crash course in

behavior modification.

It will be interesting to hear what the po-ops have to share on this topic.

NV

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le,

What a moving story you shared. I am so sorry for the loss of your son. It

is wonderful however, that you are using this tragedy in such a positive way.

Best of luck to you as we continue our journey.

NV

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le,

What a moving story you shared. I am so sorry for the loss of your son. It

is wonderful however, that you are using this tragedy in such a positive way.

Best of luck to you as we continue our journey.

NV

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NV,

Thanks for your support. Aren't you in Chapel Hill? I will be expecting you

to come to a celebration party in my room about 8 to 12 hours after surgery.

I heal quickly. LOL

le

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NV,

Thanks for your support. Aren't you in Chapel Hill? I will be expecting you

to come to a celebration party in my room about 8 to 12 hours after surgery.

I heal quickly. LOL

le

[Guest guest]

I am the in Wake Forest, but I would be HAPPY to join in your

celebration.

NV

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I am the in Wake Forest, but I would be HAPPY to join in your

celebration.

NV

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This discussion is one that is hitting a familiar nerve with me too. Many

times I have sat here and wondered... Does anyone else do what I do? I mean

the awful compulsion to eat. I get up at nite to go to the bathroom and

sneak in the kitchen for a " snack " when I make the kids lunches I have a

" snack " . I know I overeat. I hate myself for my lack of control. Of course

we have all tried to diet, ONLY we know the pain of " cheating " and then

the thought process that comes with that ie: " well, I screwed up again, I

knew I would fail " etc etc....

I too am so afraid that I will just eat my way around the surgery. I am a

normal person other that the obesity, I have a job, marriage, children,

mortgage, etc... what is wrong with me that I cannot control this ( I ask

myself)? My family says, YOu have to keep with the diet. My brothers say,

Just knock off the pigging out. And all the while I feel like an alien

trapped in this awful body. I know too that other people have hang ups and

problems, but walking down the street we cannot SEE their dysfunction like

they can see ours.

I even worry when I read how people are so very careful with their vitamins

and minerals, gms of protein... How will I do this, after all. Look at me ,

do I look like someone who can be trusted to eat properly???

I rarely post, mostly read, but I think this makes up for it, don't you guys?

This is really just my thought process and I know it won't be popular, but

it is the truth.

in Ct,

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This discussion is one that is hitting a familiar nerve with me too. Many

times I have sat here and wondered... Does anyone else do what I do? I mean

the awful compulsion to eat. I get up at nite to go to the bathroom and

sneak in the kitchen for a " snack " when I make the kids lunches I have a

" snack " . I know I overeat. I hate myself for my lack of control. Of course

we have all tried to diet, ONLY we know the pain of " cheating " and then

the thought process that comes with that ie: " well, I screwed up again, I

knew I would fail " etc etc....

I too am so afraid that I will just eat my way around the surgery. I am a

normal person other that the obesity, I have a job, marriage, children,

mortgage, etc... what is wrong with me that I cannot control this ( I ask

myself)? My family says, YOu have to keep with the diet. My brothers say,

Just knock off the pigging out. And all the while I feel like an alien

trapped in this awful body. I know too that other people have hang ups and

problems, but walking down the street we cannot SEE their dysfunction like

they can see ours.

I even worry when I read how people are so very careful with their vitamins

and minerals, gms of protein... How will I do this, after all. Look at me ,

do I look like someone who can be trusted to eat properly???

I rarely post, mostly read, but I think this makes up for it, don't you guys?

This is really just my thought process and I know it won't be popular, but

it is the truth.

in Ct,

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Okay my two cents:

I really started my adult quest for weight loss 10 years ago. Before that I

would quit eating or while in school did not have the time, so I was a compact

obese person probably living on 600 calories aday -- no joke. In 1993 I went on

a strict diet, no way possible was I taking in more than 1000 calories for 20

days -- Doctor regulated, nutritionally balanced. Didn't lose a pound.

Went Vegetarian, gained weight

Went " balanced " gained weight.

Worked out, lost 20 out of 150 of the overage.

Went " eat whatever " gained 1 lb a month average.

Had amazing therapy for years -- feel great about myself.

Went no fat, lost a lot of hair.

But still getting bigger.

Five years ago, I first thought of having WLS when a girlfriend had what I think

was a VGB. I thought that I would eat around it so it wasn't for me.

I have quized my thin friends and my anoxeric friends so I know HOW thinner

people eat. I have followed their habits.

I have now recoginized for me that I must increase my protein intake and

decrease my carbs -- the pryamid does not work. With 6 servings of bread a day

I gain weight.

I was infertile with PCO, Does anyone know what effect the hormones have on

weight? I have not found anyone who knows yet.

However, I had a baby which entails strict control and vitamins, etc. during

pregnancy and nursing. I didn't drink, no caffine, lots of vitamins, nothing

spicy when nursing, didn't even stand anywhere near a cigarette or cigar.

So I know I can restrict with the best of them. EVEN with the strict controls I

place on myself I gained 44 pounds of baby weight and lost it with nursing --

the Doctors were convinced I was eating more than I said. Delivered a big

healthy baby boy.

So yeah maybe I had my share of cookie dough to deal with stress, parallel to a

drinker who has drinks -- But to put on the pounds that don't come off?

I see the WLS patients who don't " get right with food. " They lose some weight

but I see them as very healhty.

So for me, WLS is a tool and I am still learning about the effects of protein,

carbs, fat, hormones, and heredity. But my quote is " I am tired of pretending

that this is okay. " For the past ten years (minus pregnancy time) I have

searched for answers. I even have my own theories about sugar synthesis I am

working on, in my spare time.

The " push away from the table " mentality is a great way to beat one's self to

death. BUT MAYBE this is a physicologial manifestation and WLS surgery is the

best tool for correction. I know for sure, I am a survivor and my body is built

for me to survive a long time without food -- So why in the land of plenty is my

body SO GOOD at storing food?

I don't have the answers, but I think finding out what works and then doing it

is the key to success.

WLS reads, sounds, tastes, feels like it is working for the overwhelming

majority of the 300+ patients who have had this, MGB, surgery (not to mention

the thousands who have had RNYs.)

For what its worth -- I am extremely sucessful in all other aspects of my life,

under acheivement is not an option. However, the weight issue is extemely

flustrating to not to be able to fix, understand, or work around.

That's just my opinion today, tomorrow it will change.

JJ.

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JJ,

Thanks for your insight and all of the others who have posted on this topic.

It is very helpful to me.

NV

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JJ,

Thanks for your insight and all of the others who have posted on this topic.

It is very helpful to me.

NV

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<< I too am so afraid that I will just eat my way around the surgery. I am a

normal person other that the obesity, I have a job, marriage, children,

mortgage, etc... what is wrong with me that I cannot control this ( I ask

myself)? >>

, we will not " eat around " our surgery. Our bodies are so carefully

'rennovated' by Dr. R's procedure, that we do very well. We each think

that we will be the rotten, guilty one who doesn't lose weight with this

procedure...or lose weight and gain it all back. This isn't like the other

procedures. I used to read the posts and listen to the chats and think: " oh

yeah, well I'm such a pig, I'll be the one it doesn't work for. " I'm six

weeks post-op, I've lost 43 pounds and more than 30 points off my blood

pressure. I am satisfied with the amounts of food and beverage that we

post-ops feel comfortable having. SATISFIED! It is amazing me daily. I

just tried to have a low-fat, sugar-free fudgesicle...two bites and I tossed

the rest away. It didn't taste right any more. My husband brought doughnuts

home last night...they looked like lumps of lard to me, I had zero interest

in even sniffing them. I HAD to try a small piece of bread three days

ago...HAD to...I took four bites and threw the rest away. It sat like a lead

balloon in my new tummy for 40 minutes. That cured me of " needing " bread for

quite a while.

I have sat where you're sitting now, honey; it doesn't make sense to us

after all the years that we've been at the mercy of food. We're sure that

we'll be THE one that this MGB won't work for. Take a deep breath and center

yourself: your attitude toward food and your interest in your " trigger

foods " is drastically changed by the MGB.

<<I even worry when I read how people are so very careful with their vitamins

and minerals, gms of protein... How will I do this, after all. Look at me ,

do I look like someone who can be trusted to eat properly??? >>

Yes, you do look like someone who can be trusted to eat properly, . You

do. Not only that, you will take very good care of yourself once you're

educated by Dr. R's Patient Manual and get the answers to your many

questions. The daily routine becomes just that....routine. You learn to

balance your meds and your mini-meals with your beverages and your daily

duties. The first few weeks will seem awkward, but you'll soon have a

handle on it!

We're here for you, . Just keep reading and keep posting. We're never

going to drop you on your head or turn away from you. Dee in MI.

[Guest guest]

<< I too am so afraid that I will just eat my way around the surgery. I am a

normal person other that the obesity, I have a job, marriage, children,

mortgage, etc... what is wrong with me that I cannot control this ( I ask

myself)? >>

, we will not " eat around " our surgery. Our bodies are so carefully

'rennovated' by Dr. R's procedure, that we do very well. We each think

that we will be the rotten, guilty one who doesn't lose weight with this

procedure...or lose weight and gain it all back. This isn't like the other

procedures. I used to read the posts and listen to the chats and think: " oh

yeah, well I'm such a pig, I'll be the one it doesn't work for. " I'm six

weeks post-op, I've lost 43 pounds and more than 30 points off my blood

pressure. I am satisfied with the amounts of food and beverage that we

post-ops feel comfortable having. SATISFIED! It is amazing me daily. I

just tried to have a low-fat, sugar-free fudgesicle...two bites and I tossed

the rest away. It didn't taste right any more. My husband brought doughnuts

home last night...they looked like lumps of lard to me, I had zero interest

in even sniffing them. I HAD to try a small piece of bread three days

ago...HAD to...I took four bites and threw the rest away. It sat like a lead

balloon in my new tummy for 40 minutes. That cured me of " needing " bread for

quite a while.

I have sat where you're sitting now, honey; it doesn't make sense to us

after all the years that we've been at the mercy of food. We're sure that

we'll be THE one that this MGB won't work for. Take a deep breath and center

yourself: your attitude toward food and your interest in your " trigger

foods " is drastically changed by the MGB.

<<I even worry when I read how people are so very careful with their vitamins

and minerals, gms of protein... How will I do this, after all. Look at me ,

do I look like someone who can be trusted to eat properly??? >>

Yes, you do look like someone who can be trusted to eat properly, . You

do. Not only that, you will take very good care of yourself once you're

educated by Dr. R's Patient Manual and get the answers to your many

questions. The daily routine becomes just that....routine. You learn to

balance your meds and your mini-meals with your beverages and your daily

duties. The first few weeks will seem awkward, but you'll soon have a

handle on it!

We're here for you, . Just keep reading and keep posting. We're never

going to drop you on your head or turn away from you. Dee in MI.

[Guest guest]

<< That's just my opinion today, tomorrow it will change. >>

JJ, we're women; we're allowed to change our opinions at will. Especially

if we suspect the males around us have figured us out! Dee in MI.

[Guest guest]

<< That's just my opinion today, tomorrow it will change. >>

JJ, we're women; we're allowed to change our opinions at will. Especially

if we suspect the males around us have figured us out! Dee in MI.

[Guest guest]

<< That's just my opinion today, tomorrow it will change. >>

JJ, we're women; we're allowed to change our opinions at will. Especially

if we suspect the males around us have figured us out! Dee in MI.

[Guest guest]

First, I do not think you should feel like your hacking people off for

sharing your ideas-that is sort of why we are here. Secondly, maybe not

everybody, but many of us are responsible for our weight to varying degrees.

Barring from the discussion those with overactive thyroids or other hormonal

abnormalities, people who are physically, emotionally, or developmentally

challenged, and those whose obesity comes from poor parental training and/or

poor early childhood nutrition most of us are partly responsible for our

weight and that is an essential part of coping with the psychological

aspects of recovery. The thing to remember is that we are not completely at

fault. You used the phrase " out of control " . If by that you mean the

obvious then you must ask how did it get out of control and what must I do

to regain control. The " why " is a book full of reasons including those

stated above and extending to emotional medication for those are depressed

or those for whom eating has been the center of important social activities.

Regaining control--now this is the rub. One difficulty is that regaining

control of your eating habits alone usually does not eliminate obesity.

First, you have to get to used to resisting your mind/body's inclination to

over eat. That is terribly difficult in itself. Unlike alcoholics or

smokers - you have to eat something to stay alive and that makes avoiding

temptation very difficult. Moreover, simply eating with an average

appetite is not enough to reduce your weight. To reduce you must eat far

less than your body is used to consuming which aggravates the problem of

controlling your mind/body cravings. Add the very probable genetic factors

and you have a situation which is again very difficult to control. The

thing to remember is not to get guilted away from doing whatever it takes to

regain the control. Well meaning family, friends, nutritionists and PCP's

can take the idea that you are somewhat responsible for your condition and

make you feel that you simply lack a little will power. I do not lack for

will-I am out of control in this area and I WILL do what I must to regain

control. The tool of choice for me (and emphasize TOOL) is the MGB.

Caldwell

Technology and Media Services Coordinator/

S.P.A.S. Liaison

Phone Ext. 3504

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uuh...uhhh, i was just thinking

From: CUTEAKA2NV@...

All right mates,

No body throw stones at me....ok? But I am just as " chubby " as the rest of

us. But, I do feel like I am at least partly responsible for my weight. At

one, my eating was out of control. But I worked on those issues, but the

residual effect (too much weight) remains. Can anyone see my point? If not,

please don't stone me. LOL

le

5'4...272

BMI 46

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In a message dated 02/03/2000 4:03:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Yarnmama@... writes:

<< J, we're women; we're allowed to change our opinions at will.

Especially

if we suspect the males around us have figured us out! Dee in MI. >>

LOL Dee,

Too funny! (and true!)

Sharon In KY

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In a message dated 02/03/2000 4:03:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Yarnmama@... writes:

<< J, we're women; we're allowed to change our opinions at will.

Especially

if we suspect the males around us have figured us out! Dee in MI. >>

LOL Dee,

Too funny! (and true!)

Sharon In KY

[Guest guest]

I absolutely see your point.

[Guest guest]

I had Roux n y gb surgeryonDec 13, I have lost 47 pounds since i still eat

mostly soft food or liquids . I take Flintstone children chewable vitamin

complete and i have lots of energy. i have a few problems vomiting solid

foods and vegtables. i am from Missouri would like to hear from you Dee

[Guest guest]

I had Roux n y gb surgeryonDec 13, I have lost 47 pounds since i still eat

mostly soft food or liquids . I take Flintstone children chewable vitamin

complete and i have lots of energy. i have a few problems vomiting solid

foods and vegtables. i am from Missouri would like to hear from you Dee

[Guest guest]

I had Roux n y gb surgeryonDec 13, I have lost 47 pounds since i still eat

mostly soft food or liquids . I take Flintstone children chewable vitamin

complete and i have lots of energy. i have a few problems vomiting solid

foods and vegtables. i am from Missouri would like to hear from you Dee